#spn parenting

[shallowseeker]

Jack Kline really is a little like Dean and Mary in this way (14x15):

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Cas, is used to:

ensuring protective parameters for Jack ("You can't afford to burn off any more of your soul!")

the physical providing for Jack ("I'll make you some soup.")

and he's even used to providing praise and encouragement, ("You have the heart and mind of a hunter.").

But Cas's a little at sea in 14x15, and maybe even a little frustrated with the more raw emotions Jack is displaying.

When it comes to this, Jack is prickly and defensive.

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As it turns out, in 14x15 Peace of Mind, Cas is more comfortable dealing with Sam's emotional interiority. He and Sam have similar arcs when it comes to themes of running away versus leading (Hunter Heroici, hi). Cas gets through to Sam by talking frankly about the loss of the AU hunters and failing as a leader. Sam responds to pushing.

Whereas Jack? Despite outward appearances, his emotional interiority is more similar to Dean's and Mary's. He needs space. He doesn't need to be pushed.

I adore this about him.

(He also lashed out emotionally, like how we see Dean and Mary lash out. It’s a pity Jack’s powers made the consequences so much more extreme. A tragic power imbalance.)

#jack #jack stuff #jack kline #jack + emotional interiority #jack + emotional style #jack & dean #jack & dean parallels #this is also why jeack and dean get each other #jack is willing to kill dean to take out michael #dean is willing to kill jack to take out chuck #they're so... #tfw dynamics #tfw + parenting #spn parenting #welcome to the q

[shallowstories]

To me, the way Anna fell, to become a human child, is meaningful in of itself.

If I were put in charge of writing Anna, in a reboot or otherwise, I would base it primarily around the concept of parents defending their children, and Anna longing for that (rather than sex, loyalty, chocolate cake, etc). It's not that those things aren't important, but that the the specter of Anna falling to become a child, wanting to be protected by her parents...it would hit SO hard.

Her deepest fear is her father killing her, after all.

Imagine fully-angelic Anna witnessing a mom rocking an innocent child and calling it "her little angel." Imagine Anna killing children, and watching parents do everything in their power to stop it. The ferocity of their defense would have such an impact, you know?

I REALLY like that approach.

#spn anna #tfw + angels #spn themes #theme ideas #tfw + parents and children #spn parenting #fic ideas #spn + soldier mentality #spn + angels #angelic duty #angelic war

[shallowrambles]

Sam absolutely comes to his senses later, but he spends some time in season 15 lost in the haze of "you and you alone can save us."

SPN thesis: "Shouldering a burden alone is often a misguided Strongman approach."

Sam is reflecting his own messiah complex onto Jack here. It's another excellent observation of America--that we are susceptible to the idea of, "I and I alone can fix it." Relevant for 2020.

If John put the weight of the world on Dean's shoulders, it's safe to say Sam is doing the same thing in this moment with Jack.

Each of them reflects onto Jack how they feel about their inner Self.

#season 15 #spn parenting #sam and jack #mysawyergifs credit #reflection the self onto the child

[virtu4l-di4ry]

from dean’s perspective “i need you’ is bigger than “i love you”. love is complicated but it’s direct, he could love someone without having them in his life. but need? dean “mr. dependent, guarded walls up so high, emotionally unavailable” winchester needing someone? thats huge. to need means to give them control. to need means i cant do this without you. love comes easy to dean but to genuinely need something and be selfish enough to ask for it? that goes against everything he’s been conditioned into believing.

#just something to think about #i need you #dean winchester #castiel #john winchesters a+ parenting #destiel #deancas #spn #supernatural #me yapping #dean winchester i love you!! #he is so eldest daughter coded

[annmariethrush]

There is not a SINGLE thing I love more than Cas offering threatening to kill John Winchester. Cas would smite anything that tried to hurt Dean and he would be BEYOND pissed that someone Dean trusts as much as his father treats him like that. It is my favorite fucking thing. I implore people to make up stupid reasons in your fic for John Winchester and Castiel to be in the same room to make sure that Cas gets to fucking deck him.

The SPN writers were cowards when they made it so that John and Cas weren’t in the same room together during Lebanon because you better fucking believe that would have been the end for John in all timelines.

#Castiel fucking hates John Winchester #let Cas kill John #john Winchester’s A+ parenting #destiel #spn #supernatural #dean winchester #castiel #deancas #casdean

[throwupgirl]

i think dean winchesters great bc hes one of the few tv show protagonists who so clearly has ocd but bc hes poor and their dad has never taken them to a doctor once hes never been diagnosed and he just goes this is normal. im normal. everyone ELSE is the problem and should simply think like me (letting anyone else pick the music in my car will instantly make the world explode. no i cant explain how)

#mosts #spn #AND its trauma induced from being a parent since age. 4

[castielsparkle]

☆ john winchester's journal | 1x12 - faith | 4x01 - lazarus rising | 12x19 - the future | 5x04 - the end | 6x20 - the man who would be king | john winchester's journal | 12x02 - mamma mia | john winchester's journal | 2x04 - children shouldn't play with dead things | john winchester's journal (x3) | 2x20 - what is and should never be | 6x20 - the man who would be king | supernatural season 5 disc 6 special feature commentary

#cas.art #dean winchester #dean web weaving #web weaving #web weave #spn web weaving #supernatural #art #spn art #parallels #supernatural web weaving #lgbt dean winchester #meta #john winchester #mary winchester #destiel #cas #spnedit #dean studies #john winchesters a+ parenting #Hi i hope this makes a lick of fucking sense #i hope the vision is there #do you guys see it. do you know what im Talking About #i havent slept for 19 hours #hope this is coherent and perhaps good<3 ily all #also thank u soo so so soo much ro for the john winchester god clip o7

[drulalovescas]

oh this show can go straight to hell

#first they told us that dean's parents fell in love to zeppelin songs #and then they told us that dean gave cas a mixtape with...zeppelin songs #but we're the crazy ones here #destiel #spn 12x1 #spn 12x19 #mixtape

[disabled-dean]

[Update: CURRENTLY writing a coda for Lebanon where....] and you can follow @lebanon-wip for spoilers/updates 😇

Physically restraining myself from writing a coda fic for Lebanon, where John stays over at the bunker, Cas comes home in the middle of the night & there's tension between him and Dean over whether or not they will still share a room, and then 27-year-old Mary has to sit through Thee most homophobic breakfast with her dead ex-husband, closeted son, and his common law married, ancient eldrich boyfriend.

#spn 14x13 #spn #supernatural #destiel #deancas #destiel fic ideas #grey watches supernatural #mary winchester #john winchester a+ parenting #dean winchester

[wormieapple]

please understand that i will never and can never condone John Winchester’s actions but some of y’all really don’t understand what “he did the best he could” means.

he neglected and at the very least emotionally abused his kids, and there’s a pretty good argument that he might’ve physically abused them as well. he isolated them, prevented them from forming any lasting relationships outside of immediate family, left them alone for days if not weeks on end with firearms and very little food. And that’s not even the half of it. and everything he did was a manifestation of grief and drive to protect his family. which does not in the slightest justify how he treated sam and dean, but it does lay out his morals and motives pretty clearly.

He loves his kids, he really does. and while struggling to deal with his own trauma he was doing everything he could in his mind to keep them safe. but that doesn’t make his best enough, not by a long shot. that doesn’t even make his best efforts good efforts. at the end of the day he abused his kids and royally fucked up their ability to cope with their own grief and trauma in ways that i cannot touch with a 10ft pole rn or i’ll be writing 57 essays right here and now.

and again i hate john just as much as the next person but he did not set out to abuse his kids. he didn’t have nefarious intentions when it came to how he raised his kids. he was a good person who turned into an abusive asshole due to grief, paranoia, and alcoholism. and it makes perfect sense that sam and dean still love him even if they recognize the damage he did to them. because they also know how hard their dad tried, and they’ve said as much several times. and i get it cause that’s how i grew up. my dad did everything he could despite his grief, despite his depression, despite working 14 hour days in poverty and homelessness, and he still neglected and emotionally abused me. not because he was a bad person, but because he had no tools to deal with everything he was going through. and his best wasn’t enough, his best failed me. and i still love my dad cause not every memory was bad, and he does truly love me and my siblings. And i’m lucky in a way that sam and dean never were because my dad recognized where he failed us, owned up to what he did and tries everyday to repair the damage he did.

I have closure, and that’s something sam and dean could never really have. but they do have the clusterfuck of emotions that is he tried his best and it wasn’t enough.

#one last one from the drafts #yall are seriously missing the reason y sam and dean’s relationship to their dad is so devastating by only saying fuck john winchester #and it shows #john wasn’t a monster he was a person and if u don’t recognize that via demonizing him u run a genuine risk of becoming the kind of person- #he was. because that’s exactly how john thought of his own father and how he treated the boys stems directly from that. #cw abuse #spn #supernatural #dean winchester #sam winchester #john winchesters a+ parenting #john winchester

[samdeancrimespree]

in home when dean says “i carried you out the front door” sam says “ you did.” he looks at dean, and when he starts to give a common response “you did?”, it doesn’t come out as a question. instead it’s this realization, an of course you did. john was focused on mary, and dean was focused on sam. john spent the rest of his life in that burning house. dean carried sam out.

sam doesn’t question dean at all, even though asking something like “really?” is a normal response to being told something you didn’t know. he agrees, because the logic of his four year old brother carrying him out of a burning house makes perfect sense to him. he would’ve been more shocked if dean had said that john carried him out. and then dean says “you never knew that?” not “i didn’t tell you that?” as if he genuinely forgets that they don’t share one brain and all his memories aren’t burned into sam’s prefrontal cortex.

#i feel like that solidifies his view of dean as his protector #what im saying is both their parents died in that fire #parent dean <3 #also the way dean runs away from that convo and calls john in tears #he’s really just a baby #my love all mine #pre series #spn #wincest #samdean #mars.txt #1.09 #spn studies #liveblogging from mars #my writing

[shallowseeker]

I'm not trying to be contrary but I'm genuinely curious why you think Jack would be jealous of Claire rather than follow her around like a lost puppy.

I mean, he might try to be friends at first. Jack likes to style himself as a polite, young fellow, after all. Plus, he appears to be uncomfortable about Jimmy Novak, if you go by the script outlines. There'd be guilt mixed up with everything, too. He has his dad because she lost hers. Claire is someone he'd instantly want to protect.

But Claire is mean as a fuckin' snake, and Jack's feelings aren't iron-clad. He also can tend to get snipey and sassy when pressed, especially if he thinks Claire is doing something dangerous.

For her part, Claire doesn't want to be protected. She wants to show off and be the superior hunter, which of course gets her into trouble.

And well. Jack's never really had to share Cas before. Not like that. I don't know if he'll understand at first why he's so uncomfortable, but he definitely will be.

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Maybe you're right that you'd need one of those serpent tongues around to voice the most uncharitable interpretations of events, in true SPN fashion. This way, Jack's fears and jealousy can get riled up more properly (Claire, on the other hand, doesn't need any help getting riled up).

Instead of a demon or villain of the week to be the mouthpiece, I'd choose Dark Kaia. I mean, Dark Kaia is ruthless and cunning and blunt and cruel...and she tried to skewer Claire. Plus...

REGULAR KAIA IN HER DEBUT: I mean, you picked the wrong bait. I'm not the kind of girl folks come for. In this world, I don't even rank a milk carton. No one is gonna come for me. I'm not white, rich, blonde. No one's gonna fight for me. I don't matter.

Still, regular Kaia fell in love with Claire, even though she was milk-carton gorgeous. But Dark Kaia tried to kill Claire, because Claire was the thing taking her twin from her.

We also understand that Dark Kaia is jealous of Kaia for even having a Claire in the first place, just like she admits to being jealous of her world.

In 15x12, Dark Kaia too sees a beautiful, Claire-like face in a magazine and angrily shoves it across the table. Like regular Kaia, she seems to have hang-ups about the sort of person society seems to "instantly care about."

All that to say, she'd totally be the voice in Jack's ear pointing out the contrasts between how Claire is treated versus how Jack is treated. Look how soft they all are on Claire, how precious she is, how they protect her, etc. etc.

Sorry, that wasn't really your question, was it. The real answer is...because I like the flavor.

Claire is jealous because TFW gives Jack more responsibility; Jack is jealous because they give her less.

It's spicy.

ADDENDUM: If she'd been an active player in the plot, Claire would absolutely volunteer to "Kill Jack Kline...so Cas, Dean, and Sam don't have to." Dark Kaia would agree, and regular Kaia would be looking for a way to save him. If Jack killed Claire, that might be the thing that motivates Cas to act more visibly out of character, similar to how Mary's death pushed Sam and Dean to the brink.

#asks #claire novak #spn claire #claire #the novak family #that girl is a miracle #the girl with too much heart #spn nancy won #jack & claire #spn jack #jack #jack kline #jack kline winchester #jack + the special boy #nephilim #jack + nephilim powers #jack + heir to the family responsibilities #spn parenting #interfamilial jealousy #spn kaia #kaia nieves #dark kaia #spn 15x12 #spn galaxy brain #spn meredith glynn #spn bobo berens #spn season 15

[shallowstories]

Time travel characterization ideas

I just think that, rather than hating themselves (like they hate their, uh, actual selves), Dean & Cas might immediately move to parent their past selves, if they met them.

Like how they do with with Claire & Jack, they'd meet them with a mix of wise counsel, gentle teasing, and stern, tough love.

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Sam, on the other hand... It might be interesting to see Sam uncomfortably faced with things he didn't remember about his past self.

It'd be very fun to see older Sam critique himself (and Dean & Cas)

Because Sam doesn't like what he's seeing with fresh, older eyes

(He's horrified by his past self's ignorance, his impatience, his acerbic wit, his bloodlust, etc)

In fact, Sam is psycho-analyzing everyone to the point of accidental, passive-aggressive disrespect

His faux-gentle counsel gets brushed off, and he doesn't even know why...

#fic ideas #character ideas #time travel #sam + past self #dean + past self #cas + past self #tfw + past selves #tfw key traits #tfw idiosyncracies #sam + odd man out #sam + psychoanalysis #dean/cas + parenting #spn parenting #sam + perfectionism

[shallowrambles]

Becoming a parent to understand your parents’ flaws

#spn parenting

[platonic-soulmates-gencest]

In my mind, Dean always reminisces based on Sam's age. So, instead of saying "when I was 15", he would say "when Sammy/my brother was 11" and Sam doesn't notice. John doesn't notice. Meanwhile, all of Dean's dates notice because it is very very bizarre but they don't know how to point it out.

Eventually, Crowley picks up on it (after that summer camp with Dean) and he brings it up and you can see both brothers staring at him in confusion because:

Sam is convinced that can't possibly be the case and he tries to trace back some instances when Dean has referred based on his own age and comes up blank and then freaks out (and feels bad, because he's Sam)

Dean is fully aware he does this and he thinks it's the most normal thing in the world and doesn't understand why Crowley is pointing it out or why Sam is suddenly freaking out.

Crowley is so done with them both.

[I have an argument for believing this is the case. Dean is pretty much Sam's parent. Parents obviously talk about events based on their children's age (except when they are talking about events before the child was born). So on this essay....]

#gencest #weirdcest #spn #supernatural #samdean #the winchester brothers #dean winchester is sam winchester's parent #fight me

[seasononesam]

Boy, oh boy!

#supernatural #spn #crowley #crowley spn #crowley supernatural #rowena #rowena macleod #spnedit #supernaturaledit #* #live footage of how my parents react when i get spn stuff for christmas wait who said that