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#but to do that you have to ignore the facts that for every 1 Israeli killed in the past decade 3 Palestinians die.
luckybyler · 5 months
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This was a reply to someone else, but I'm making this its own post because so many people are being so evil right now re: Noah Schnapp.
You can find other, longer explanations with history and all, but all the places I've seen more or less agree with this:
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So you're all calling people to cancel Noah because he's in favor of a Jewish nation in what is today Israel. Which is a perfectly reasonable, decent and educated opinion to have, especially when you, to use a trendy term, "educate yourself" and find out why the state of Israel was created.
11000 dead Palestinians, half of them children
According to Hamas. Don't forget that, ever. They're the current, official government of Gaza, thus they're the ones who give numbers. This means that the real number could be 10, 1 million, anything in between. What I've read is that they probably give more of less accurate total numbers. What they fail to do, however, is distinguish between Hamas militants and civilians, and beteween civilians killed by IDF strikes, civilians killed by failed Hamas or Palestininan Islamic Jihad's rockets (which happens a lot), and Palestinians murdered by Hamas/PIJ (which also happens, a whole damn lot). They also don't specify how many civilians they have prevented or tried to prevent from evacuating or receiving aid.
11k dead people is a horrible number. Even 1 dead person is a horrible number. However, urban warfare in such a densely populated area is its own kind of hell, especially when the other side is fond of using civilians as human shields in every way possible. The fact that the number is 11k and not 50k, 100k, and so on, indicates that the IDF have indeed done a lot to minimize deaths. You don't genocide people by doing roof knocks, opening evacuation lines, dropping guided bombs, putting up an Iron Dome to deal with rockets while avoiding escalation, etc. simply because actual genocide, while a lot worse, is also cheaper, easier and faster than what they're doing. This is important because caling every act of war genocide dilutes the word, and there are actual genocides happening around the world. Also, there is a difference between striking military targets and causing civilian deaths as a side effect (what the IDF is doing) and planning and carrying out a massacre deliberately targeting civilians and inflicting as much pain and humilliation as possible on them. And there is a difference between doing so by breaking a ceasefire (which is what Hamas did), and defending your country because if you don't do that a terrorist group will anhilate you (which is what the IDF is doing).
Back to Noah. So far, these are the things that people have tried to cancel him for:
Traveling to Israel (a completely normal thing)
Having Israeli friends (another completely normal thing)
Condemning Hamas' horrible attack on October 7th (the decent thing to do)
Posting a statement saying he feels unsafe as a Jewish person in the US (which, given the rise of antisemitic acts in the world, including the US, including where he lives and where he studies, is a valid feeling to have)
Signing a letter, along with Shawn Levy, Brett Gelman, Ross Duffer and I think Cara Buono, asking Biden to press for the liberation of every hostage by Hamas. This especially shows the utter ignorance of the cancellers because, as it turns out, caring about every hostage implies a slowdown of IDF's actions (and, at the time, a delay of a ground invasion).
Supporting the existence and preservation of the state of Israel (once again, a completely normal thing). The fact that people are turning against him for these things says to me that the real reason you are all hating Noah is beacuse:
He's Jewish. Like, really really Jewish.
And the fact that this all comes from a place of antisemitism isn't hidden at all: I've seen y'all on here, on Twitter, Reddit, every other social media calling him slurs (such as "cunt"), censoring his name, pretending he's not part of the cast, asking the Duffers/Netflix to fire him, wishing him failure, doxxing him, calling on his classmates to physically assault him, etc. He doesn't need to educate himself: you guys are already teaching him a great lesson on why a Jewish state is necessary. If that's the treament he gets from his own "fans", what can he expect from the world at large?
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unbidden-yidden · 1 month
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Ok so I can't screenshot so I'm putting this in the asks but people are talking about netanyahu because he's getting the attention right now. And that's because he's genociding Gaza right now and nothing else of that scale happened since. So of course he's the it girl rn.
Like I wholeheartedly agree with you, we shouldn't be saying people "deserve to die", I just want to point out that I don't like it whenever people go "but why are people talking about this figure (who's getting all the attention right now) and not these other figures? (Who aren't getting attention)"
But TLDR netanyahu's doing some fuck shit that's getting reported on so obviously he's getting talked about the most generally.
To bring it back to the original conversation, people were talking about Putin when the Russo Ukraine war was going on. I saw people get excited at the idea that he might have cancer when that lump on his face showed up. Putin was the it girl and now it's netanyahu.
Look I'm sure you don't mean it this way, but the original comment I was responding to was antisemitic and your comments excusing it are microaggressions.
[Original post for reference]
There are a few things going on here:
1. People are giving a hugely disproportionate amount of attention to Israel's military response to the October 7th massacre in Gaza because they are antisemitic. There have been plenty of humanitarian crises affecting Palestinians in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Egypt, yet the world literally only cares about them if they can use it as a cudgel against Jews. Obviously it's a humanitarian crisis and it deserves attention, and Israel deserves scrutiny and accountability for its actions. But the laser focus on Israel and only Israel belies the true motivation.
2. There are numerous other humanitarian crises happening right now that affect substantially more people, and which are unquestionably genocide. Can you name them? Can you tell me the relevant major players by name? Can you tell me the number of people murdered? Why or why not?
3. Specifically naming Bibi out of every possible vile human one could name, to me, specifically, a Jew - that's extra sus. Taken in combination with the previous points? Yeah, it's antisemitic.
4. The genocide of Ukraine by Russia is still ongoing, and ignorance about it is leading to dwindling support to such an extent that Ukrainians are having to ration bullets to defend themselves with. This one isn't meant as a scold, by the way — the plight of Ukraine is getting intentionally buried. Please don't stop talking about Ukraine, they need all the help they can get.
[And in b4 someone thinks I'm trying to say you shouldn't pay attention to what is happening in Gaza: please DO keep paying attention to Gaza and keep holding Bibi's feet to the fire. He's awful, his policies are awful, and he's encouraging the absolute worst members of Israeli society for his own selfish reasons. The people of Gaza are going through hell and need our help. Just please, for the love of G-d fact check things first and make sure you're not "supporting Palestine" by being antisemitic. Also make sure you are holding Hamas responsible for its part in the humanitarian crisis.]
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amyisraelchaiforever · 3 months
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If you don’t mind, would you explain what exactly it means to be a Zionist, or what Zionism is?
Also, looking at posts here and on news sites I see such pradoxical views, one saying to not support Palestine is to support genocide and the other saying to not support Israel is to be antisemitic. I wonder, and I am going around asking people on different sides of the war, do you believe it is possible to support both the lives of Palestinian people and the lives of Jewish people?
Feel free to ignore this ask or to point out any ignorance on my part. I hope you have some peace in your day/night.
Of course! Thank you for being so kind with your questions! 💙 Sorry that it's a bit "all over the place." There's a LOT to cover, and I'll leave a bunch of links to learn about more details.
To start of, Zionism is (by the google-search definition):
a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann.
So basically, being a zionist is supporting zionism or the creation & protection of Israel.
Most Jews are Zionists (sources say between 85-95%) of Jews. Something I want to clarify:
Being a zionist, or supporting Israel, does not mean that we support all decisions of Israeli government, especially not Netanyahu. In fact, most Israelis and Jews don't actually like Netanyahu (which I'll be calling Bibi for short). This doesn't mean we don't want Israel to cease to exist. There's multiple sides to even one side in the main argument.
Now I'm going to tackle your harder points:
Also, looking at posts here and on news sites I see such pradoxical views, one saying to not support Palestine is to support genocide and the other saying to not support Israel is to be antisemitic. I wonder, and I am going around asking people on different sides of the war, do you believe it is possible to support both the lives of Palestinian people and the lives of Jewish people?
First of all, I don't support the "Free Palestine" movement for multiple reasons, but get this straight: It's not because I hate the people, it's because the leaders of it are people I don't agree with.
I definitely don't want you to think I think all people in Gaza/'Palestinians' should die. I do NOT think that. But first of all, let me talk about the whole issue of "not supporting Palestine is to support genocide".
It's not genocide, simple as that.
here's the definition of genocide:
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
In my opinion, you should replace "killing" with "murdering", but you get the gist.
Israel attacking the Gaza Strip right now is not in order to kill the civilians there, it's to retrieve the hostages (hostages, not prisoners of war) and end HAMAS (a globally-recognized terrorist organization. I'll link some pictures of their website at the end), so they can't launch another deathly attack on Israel or Jews as a whole (not to mention HAMAS's other problems with LGBTQ+ and such).
Therefore, not genocide. I do not want the people in Gaza dead, but I do not support Palestine as they want it- Israel gone and a new country. Does that mean I support genocide? That's your own decision to make.
Something I want to briefly touch upon is historical inaccuracy & numbers before we move on to "not supporting Israel is antisemitic".
Like I said, HAMAS is a terrorist organization. Here's a few examples of a website used to show their propaganda & agendas.
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This is even from a while back (1-2 weeks)! It's messed up, especially if you take time to read the Stages.
Also, I do not believe that all Palestinians and Palestine-supporters support Hamas, like not every Israeli and Jew support every decision of the Israeli Government. But still, people idolize HAMAS and that is a problem.
People say, "end the 75 (or 76) year occupation!!!!11!!!!!1!!!!" I won't get into history, but the Gaza Strip was ruled by Egypt until 1967 (then it was captured by Israel during a war) and Israel completely left it 2005-6. Can't be 75 or 76 years if you haven't been there for so long.
That was just something I wanted to mention. Now, lets move onto "not supporting Israel is antisemitic."
This changes from person to person, I'll admit. A goy (or non-jewish person) can't decide what is or isn't antisemitic, and a jew cannot really do the same to another jew. Saying that Israel shouldn't exist? Yes, it's antisemitic. Israel (Judea, Eretz Yisrael, etc) is the Jews' land, birthright- we are the indigenous people (whoo boy, I could go on a whole other rant here if you want me to.)
Mostly, I'd say it isn't antisemitic. Some people might disagree. I found a good guide on critizing Israel here - it'll be linked in the end if you want to check it out.
IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION: yes, it is possible! i value both israeli and Jews AND palestinians lives (this is not when they tell me to kms, of course)
sorry it took me so long to answer this :')
Here are some of the links I recommend:
@freegazafromhamas Quick information, easy to digest (and a very kind person); probably most in support of a palestinian state
@fuck-hamas-go-israel has been running this blog for over 10 years, I believe. Important picture & video evidence and information.
@elder-millennial-of-zion Again, important information.
@shretl this user is especially good for information! They're very educated & I've learned a lot. Honestly, just looking through their posts is educational...
I've also preblogged many things in general on my blog!
other pictures:
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Online Sources: (this section is taken from @shretl's post) * https://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/865383 - Hebrew article, Title means "Sad ending to a magnificent history: Only 4 Jews left in Iraq".
What was the Farhud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud
History of the Jewish community in Baghdad https://cojs.org/the_jewish_community_in_baghdad_in_the_eighteenth_century-_zvi_yehuda-_nehardea-_babylonian_jewry_heritage_center-_2003/
What are Pogroms?https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/pogroms?gclid=Cj0KCQiAkeSsBhDUARIsAK3tiedM7DuwIaSQX-kRxvXTgCDxN6-zqeo_DNNFgyanSYGyGOhwu_0vfrkaAg6REALw_wcB
The last Jew of Peki'in, Margalit Zinati https://aish.com/the-last-jew-of-pekiin/
Arab riots of 1930s- https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/General/ben_zvi_30 https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-1936-arab-riots
Israel's history from ancient times & timeline : https://www.travelingisrael.com/timeline-land-israel/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=iiUIWnU-Ofk
Second Temple era - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple_period
Forced conversion of Jews across history- https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt18mvnct.7?seq=4
If something is wrong, please correct me!
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matan4il · 3 months
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Hi lovely @newnitz!
Regarding your ask, I'll be honest, I don't go around refuting anti-Israel posts, because I believe it is counterproductive to give them even more attention. Not only does it feed their egos, it can also help make their posts more visible, pushing them onto the dahsboards of more Tumblr users. But I've seen people take screenshots, and share them in their own posts while replying to the hateful false claims, I think that's a good way to go about it.
So here's a screenshot of the post you sent me, which was made 5 days ago, and yes, every line of this reeks of anti-Israel propaganda:
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"Forced to withdraw... due to the losses" -> The IDF has said this war will last many months, and it is managing its fighting force accordingly. The article this post's screenshot is taken from (which isn't directly linked by OP, I wonder why) states the IDF has pulled out just 1 of 4 divisions deployed in Gaza, meaning most of the forces are still inside, and the IDF has been talking about rotating its forces. That's not what a military retreat due to losses looks like.
"Their government's plan to fight Lenanon" -> Hezbollah is not Lebanon, and Israel has been trying a diplomatic solution since Hezbollah started attacking it, shortly after Hamas massacre on Oct 7.
The two statements (from the IDF and the Israeli newspaper) do not actually contradict each other. If Hamas is believed to have at least 30,000 terrorist fighters (according to one Hamas senior back in Oct, they have over 35,000 terrorists), and the IDF estimates 9,000 were killed, that leaves 21,000 of them still alive, which is indeed the majority of Hamas militants in Gaza. And it also tells you why this war will be long, just as the IDF predicts, and does require management of the fighting forces. Something this post leaves out is that thousands of additional terrorists have been wounded or arrested, so the number of Hamas terrorist killed alone is not the only factor in figuring out whether the IDF is on its way to finishing Hamas off or not.
Then OP goes on to make another claim, which is both unsourced in the post itself, and (as far as I can tell) is based on accepting Hamas figures as is, when we know that Hamas lies regarding fatalities...
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The way the post is presented (the two screenshots together make up the entire thing), it implies that somehow the contradiction (the one which I explained is not actually a contradiction) somehow shows that the IDF counts civilians as terrorists. There is NOTHING in that conclusion in the second part of the post, that is actually derived from the "contradiction" presented in the first part.
I can only assume OP uses the idea that the number of women and kids which Hamas reports amounts to roughly the number of total deaths Hamas reports minus the IDF's estimate of how many terrorists it killed, so OP is making the assumption that the IDF is simply counting all men killed in Gaza as Hamas terrorists. The issues with this is that, as I said, it requires believing Hamas' figures on how many women and kids, and total Gazans were killed, it ignores the fact that we already know Hamas does recruit women and teenagers, and it also ignores that the IDF is basing its estimate on reports from face to face battles and airstrikes, where the kills are more or less confirmed (as much as they can be in battle conditions), as evidenced by the fact that the IDF has said it has a hard time determining the number of killed terrorists in cases where that happens in underground terror tunnels (rather than in face to face battles). The latter is the reason why, if the IDF's number of terrorists killed is off, then it's likely to be an underestimate.
I hope this helped? Hope you're well! xoxox
(for all of my updates and ask replies regarding Israel, click here)
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deborahdeshoftim5779 · 4 months
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What are your major views concerning the Israel Palestine war?
A good question.
I am assuming that you refer to Israel's current military retaliation in Gaza, which I will answer. However, I will also broaden your question to include the state of the conflict.
First of all, Israel's military retaliation in Gaza was entirely provoked by the Hamas terrorist organisation.
Despite international media scrutinising Israel's actions, nobody with a fair mind should downplay the scale of the crime that Hamas committed. The Jews have never suffered such an act of genocidal terrorism since the Holocaust, and some Israeli witnesses and survivors have testified that the some of crimes Hamas committed exceed those committed by Islamic State and the Nazis.
This is important to remember, as the actions of Israel and Hamas are not equal, no matter what the media, activists and the mob of empty-headed, allegedly "progressive" mouthpieces online (including on Tumblr) claim. Israel has acted in self-defence and to punish a terrorist organisation; Hamas acted to massacre the Jewish population.
Two important points are being missed by the international media and other groups:
1- Hamas' act of terror on October 7 was not motivated by politics. The claims made by student organisations at Harvard University and Columbia and co., asserting that the terrorist attack was motivated by the decades-long conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, are a blatant attempt to rationalise the pure evil that Hamas committed. This despite the scale of Hamas' crimes: beheading babies, burning children alive. The sheer sadistic evil of these crimes already demonstrates that the motivation wasn't political: it was pure, Nazi Jew-hatred.
Since 2006, Hamas has stated clearly that it aims for the extermination of Jews worldwide. This charter has been available for public viewing for years, yet people who rationalise the evil of Hamas have either never heard of it because they don't speak Arabic (and can't be bothered to do any research), or they know of Hamas' genocidal aims against the Jews and are choosing to ignore this because they believe the Jews are responsible for attracting such hatred. I'll never forget the liberal commentator, Kyle Kulinski, rationalising Hamas' antisemitism by claiming that it's because 'they're pissed off'.
Imagine someone claiming that the KKK's hatred of black people was because they were 'pissed off'.
2- The October 7 attack was just the beginning of a series of murderous attacks on Jews worldwide. This fact utterly destroys the claims of student organisations and other rationalisers of evil, who insist that if the Israelis merely acceded to demands made by the Palestinians, then no such terrorist attacks would have occurred.
It's difficult to categorise just how pathetic, cowardly, and disgraceful such assertions are, yet they are usually unchallenged. Prior to October 7, there were many Zionists who said similar things (though they did not rationalise the terrorist attacks): yield to the Palestinians and the conflict will end.
This is a lie.
We have already established that Hamas has a target on the head of every Jew on this planet. And intelligence agencies in European countries have already uncovered plots by Hamas agents in Denmark and the Netherlands, planning murderous attacks on Jews and synagogues.
And to be honest, Hamas doesn't even need such agents. Shortly after their heinous crime, Hamas terrorists called on Muslims to start a day of rage in their defence, a request that thousands, if not millions, of Muslims agreed to do. Since the massacre, people on the pro-Palestinian side, many of them Muslim and Arabic, have been seen celebrating the massacre and calling for the murder of Jews. The infamous video taken in Sydney, in which a crowd calls for the Jews to be gassed, is just one example of such hatred.
Given the scale of Hamas' hatred of Jews and the active danger that Hamas poses to Jews across the world, you can now begin to see why Israel has retaliated in this way.
This is not a decision that Israel took for the pleasure of seeking revenge. For years, Israeli politicians such as Binyamin Netanyahu and much of the elites in Israel's military and intelligence thought that a combination of firefighting and appeasement of Hamas would deal with the security threat to Israel in Gaza. Every time Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel, the Israeli military would wait until the barrage became intolerable, then seek to eliminate Hamas terrorists and destroy buildings where they stored weaponry-- a claim that Israel has proven over and over again.
October 7 has proven that those measures were utterly misguided, to say the very least. When the dust has settled, many Israeli politicians and military top brass will have to explain how security could have failed so dramatically on October 7, leading to Hamas terrorists slaughtering IDF soldiers in their beds.
Israel cannot exist with Hamas on its border. I don't know whether the international media is underlining the fact that Hamas is not the only Palestinian terrorist organisation operating in Gaza; Islamic Jihad, known as Palestinian Islamic Jihad, is there as well. This terrorist organisation undoubtedly assisted with the October 7 massacre.
Hamas also operates in the West Bank, and since October 7, it has become even more popular with Palestinians there.
Such information isn't being acknowledged in the international media, or by the cottage industry of so-called activists, either. This undermines the popular claim that Hamas is entirely separate from the Palestinian civilian population.
We know that:
1- Palestinian civilians with work permits from Gaza collected information on Israeli families and passed it to Hamas before October 7
2- Palestinian civilians are seen wildly celebrating the attack, including when the near-naked body of Shani Louk was paraded in Gaza and Palestinian men spat on her; when an Israeli boy was kidnapped and is pictured being pushed around and bullied by Palestinian boys; when an Israeli woman who was violently raped (her trousers are drenched in blood) was dragged out of a car and the Palestinian crowd cheered; when an Israeli mother and her child were pushed and shoved by Palestinian terrorists, again with a crowd cheering
3- We know that some Palestinian civilians entered Israel on October 7 and assisted with the massacres and probably with other war crimes as well
4- Hamas uses Palestinian civilians as human shields, and as assistants to spy on IDF positions and signal to Hamas to release booby traps. The death toll of IDF soldiers, largely ignored by the international media, is often because of them entering booby-trapped buildings
This information is crucial, yet being largely ignored. Many don't even know these facts. But this information helps demonstrate why Israel is targeting buildings in Gaza with unprecedented force. These buildings are often booby-trapped by Hamas terrorists, and civilian collaborators with terrorists are using the rooftops as a vantage point to help Hamas murder IDF soldiers.
In addition to this, Israel has to contend with Hamas' underground tunnel network, which it uses for stockpiling weaponry and now, for keeping hostages.
Israel is in the extremely difficult position of needing to destroy Hamas bases above and below ground and kill Hamas terrorists and collaborators, while also wanting to save the innocent Israelis kidnapped by this evil organisation. It's tragically unsurprising, therefore, that Israel's retaliation campaign puts the Israeli hostages in serious and even mortal danger (although Hamas terrorists already subjected such hostages to unspeakable crimes against humanity).
Again, these are all crucial facts and pieces of context all missing from the wild-eyed, pseudo-moralistic deluge of hatred against Israel that features so prominently among the uneducated (including and especially university students) and the bigoted.
So far, we can see that Hamas is motivated by hatred of Jews, not dissatisfaction with the allocation of land. A further piece of proof is that Hamas came to power with a mandate to murder Jews worldwide, despite the fact that Israel completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005, believing that this would please the Arabs and lead to peace. Not many people realise that Jews have lived in Gaza for centuries (there were synagogues in Gaza, if you can picture it), and they are now the only ethnic group forbidden from entering. This is real ethnic cleansing, but that doesn't produce any outrage from the so-called "moral majority" worldwide.
The obvious, Nazi ideology that fuels Hamas is present in Palestinians who support Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the PFLP, and the original terrorist organisation, the PLO. For years, right under the nose of the feckless United Nations, the Palestinians have been thoroughly indoctrinated into Nazi-style Jew-hatred. In Gaza, the UNRWA has distributed books calling for the murder of Jews. Such books are handed to Palestinian children. The UN has done nothing to cut off UNRWA's funding as a punishment. The European Union has condemned UNRWA for these materials, but hasn't done much more beyond that.
Unsurprisingly, members of UNRWA were caught celebrating Hamas Nazi attack on the Jews. (So were Arabic journalists for the BBC's Arabic-language news service. You can see that this Nazi fervour for murdering Jews is an enormous problem across the Arab and Muslim world, not just in Palestinian-controlled territories.)
This brings us to a central issue. If the Palestinians were really just concerned about the division of land, then why is there a nuclear cloud of Jew-hatred hanging over the West Bank and Gaza? Why are the only Palestinian leaders terrorists, rather than real leaders? (Abbas is the chairman of the PLO, a terrorist organisation, and was possibly involved in the 1972 Münich massacre.) Why does the savage murder of Jews produce celebration in Palestinian territories, if, as Western pro-Palestinian activists claim, their cause supports human rights? Why does the Arab and Muslim world, currently silent about anti-Muslim atrocities in China, turn out in rage against Israel, rather than against Hamas' Nazi terrorism?
These are questions that you won't hear many people asking. But they need to be asked, because the Palestinians could have had their state decades ago, if they wanted it. The popular claim that Israel is obstructing this is a pure lie.
Here are some facts you simply won't hear mentioned:
1)- Most of the original Mandate for Palestine is now modern-day Jordan. The map often shown by pro-Palestinian activists is (deliberately) misleading, as it doesn't show the original size of territory. If it did, people would easily see that the Arabs received the overwhelming majority of it.
2)- Most Jordanians are Palestinian Arabs, a fact clearly resented by the Hashemite rulers, who have in the past driven the PLO out of Jordan, arbitrarily revoked the citizenship of Palestinian Jordanians, and continue to deny Arab descendants of refugees from 1947 to 1949 citizenship. (Something Queen Rania doesn't want to discuss; she's too busy attacking Israel.)
3)- The British Empire heavily restricted Jewish land purchases and later immigration to the remainder of the Mandate, while permitting Arab purchases and immigration
4)- Other Arabic countries were formed by imperial powers based on arbitrary mandatory territories
5)- Some Arab leaders, such as Prince Faisal, recognised that Jewish immigration to Palestine was entirely legitimate and would be beneficial for the Arabs
6)- Many, if not most, Arabs in the early 20th century, considered themselves Syrian, including during the Ottoman Turk Empire
7)- The Ottoman Turk empire had to collapse before the Arabs had a chance at national sovereignty in any part of the later Mandate for Palestine; as it is, they received over 80% of the Mandate; 8)- The Jews were willing to accept a far smaller portion of what is now modern-day Israel back in 1947, but the Arabs refused, with Arab leaders calling for jihad against the Jews.
This is a summary of my main views on this conflict. I am firmly on the side of Israel's right to exist in peace and, like Israel's Charter of 1948, I call on the Arab and Muslim world to abandon its decades-long campaign of genocidal jihad against the Jewish population. A campaign that saw the Arabs align themselves with Adolf Hitler during the Second World War, another fact that the Western pro-Palestinian faction (including on this site) doesn't want to discuss.
There's simply no justification for this conflict. As David Ben Gurion said, the Jews didn't come to dispossess the Arabs, but to live alongside them and cultivate the land together. There is more than enough land there for the Jews and Arabs to live together peacefully. This can still be the case, but it won't come about through blindly forcing a two-state "solution" that ignores Israel's security concerns and doesn't hold the Palestinians responsible for their own share of wrongdoing.
It will come about when the Palestinians reject terrorism and Nazi Jew-hatred, and embrace reasonable dialogue and peace. This is the precondition to any talks about a two-state solution, and this precondition, especially after the crime of October 7, is nonnegotiable.
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pwecie · 1 month
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Hello everybody, before I start this, I need to preface everything that I’m about to say with some facts
My maternal grandfather is Palestinian, he has also lived in Israel.
My uncle fought in Afghanistan against terrorists.
Because of these, I feel like it’s important to clear up some misconceptions about the events going on.
Number 1: Israel’s primary target is Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization. Hamas has taken Israeli hostages who are just innocent citizens and have no connection to the fighting.
Number 2: It is very realistic that Israel is not all that innocent themselves, as my grandfather has told me stories of anti-Palestinian behavior within Israel that resulted in the death of a family member.
Number 3: Any organization that aids to help the people of Palestine is good, unless that funding or the actions of that organization aid Hamas as Hamas is a terrorist organization.
Number 4: The definition of Zionism is “the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel.” The definition does not mention Palestine specifically or any hate to other nation as the term was coined in 1897, long before the formation of Israel.
Number 5: Zionism became popularized around the end of World War 2 in 1945, and the nation of Israel was founded 3 years later in 1948, probably because Jewish people wanted to feel safe and a sense of community after the mass genocide of Jews during the Holocaust.
Number 6: People are incorrectly using the term Zionism as the “dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.” Which is actually the definition of Xenophobia.
If you really cared about the war in Gaza, then you wouldn’t be picking either Israel or Palestine specifically. You would be on the side of the people unrelated to this conflict that are suffering from the actions of corrupt Israeli soldiers and the terrorist organization Hamas. Do not support Hamas. do not support Xenophobia. Do not support Islamophobia. Do not support Antisemitism. Practice media literacy. Do your research on organizations that donate and make sure they don’t support terrorism or corruption. Posting an Israeli or Palestinian flag on your social media doesn’t do jack shit, especially when all the information you have on the situation comes from social media blogs that are tailored to give incomplete or false information to specific demographics. This situation is not black and white. We have a responsibility to protect innocent humans. Not nations, not ideals, innocent human beings.
I will be doing research and providing organizations that you can donate to that solely support affected people and not terrorism. I don’t care if you block me, but at last dig deeper and educate yourself, but if you attack me or send people to attack me, saying that I’m a zionist, terrorist, or anything under the sun without reading the entire post, then you are part of the problem.
Edit: I want to reiterate, while Israel has every right to want to fuck up Hamas six ways to Sunday, it is SO EXTREMELY and HIGHLY REALISTIC that war crimes have been committed by select individuals within the Israeli military. I cannot ignore these instances. While the war on terrorism is just, systematic Xenophobia does exist within Israel, which resulted in the death of my grandfather’s sister, or at the very least she received less priority with her medical care within an Israeli hospital. This whole post is neither a defense of Israel or Palestine and I cannot pick sides because of my family background being related to both a Palestinian AND a Nazi from WW2 (I didn’t include that in the beginning because I felt people would just read “Nazi” and shut my whole argument down on just that one factor). I have a moral obligation to make sure the genocide of Jewish people never happens again, but also to support my grandfather and his people overseas. My only purpose is to reiterate that this situation is not good-side bad-side, black or white. My goal here is to inform people of the history surrounding the situation and correct any misinformation. Which there is a lot of holy crap. My heart goes out to all the families within or related to those of the Gaza Strip, as well as Israeli families and individuals who have been affected by terrorism.
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Am I really privileged?
First of all, I'm not going to stop using my platform here, despite all of the death threats and antisemitic slurs you send my way. Why am I posting more about the conflict now? A few comments and anons I got said I'm only posting about this since "I lost my privilege" and are mocking me for complaining.
wanting to live peacefully without the fear of being murdered isn't me being privileged. People I know are dead. My city is under rocket fire. How is this being privileged? You're telling me this safely from your house in the US or Europe. Have some self-awareness, please.
Here are some official numbers in case you forgot:
*More than 8500 rockers were fired, on Israeli civilians, from Gaza during the past month.
*Over 1400 of my people were massacred on October 7th, most of them were civilians.
*There are currently 240+ hostages held by Hamas, in Gaza. Again, most of them are civilians and 38 of them are children.
For a full week, people debated if Hamas beheaded Israeli babies or just peacefully burned them alive. Yet, it took you exactly 1 minute to spread the lie that Israel bombed a hospital in Gaza when all the evidence showed they didn't. What can you do?
Even if you don't agree with anything I wrote here, please do the following: *Report antisemitic users and posts. *Think before you reblog a port: a lot of the diagrams and maps shown in popular posts here are false. *Contact @staff - who are currently ignoring the rising antisemitism harassment Jewish & Israeli users face here.
Stop gaslighting Israeli and Jewish people - the October 7th massacre happened. Hamas' terrorists literally used body cams and live-streamed their attacks. Stop asking for proof!
Almost every Israeli \ Jewish person you harass knows a person who was either killed or kidnapped. These are our families.
Israeli and Jewish users on Tumblr deserve to feel safe, and not harrassed constantly for who they are. We do not control what is happening, nor do we represent our government. In fact, many of us are actively protesting against the current Israeli government.
READ MORE. You don't have a full grasp of the conflict just because you read one article or watched a TikTok. It's been going on for over 100 years. and is more complex than "and then at '48 the Jews came along and started ruining things".
We've been here before, and we're not going anywhere.
The rising rates of antisemitism, including some of the posts here, only prove that Israelis have no other safe place. We have nowhere else to go.
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Btw, at times like this when the Israeli's are getting particularly bloodthirsty, their state sponsered trolls roll out. That last anon you had, whilst not definitely one fits their general 'gist' of how they operate. It's an established thing Israel does whenever the world temporarily stops ignoring their genocidal savagery for a whie. They tend to target anyone who they think has a lot of reach or makes a good target. It's why every statement they made was so fucking dumb. In short; don't let it get to you, it was probably someone who copy-pasted that message to 100 other people across different social media. And expect more over the coming weeks..
Ok. So I'm personally generally p sceptical of the specific phrase "state-sponsored trolls" bc in my experience the nature of ingrained reactionary propaganda is that you generally don't need to be state-sponsored and the insistence that states (be it Israel, the US, China, whoever) must be Paying People To Disagree With You seems to me to be a pathway to conspiratorial thinking whatever direction is going in. Maybe it's sometimes true but it doesn't need to be true.
People can hold shitty fucking genocidal opinions which make no sense in the face of facts all by themselves without being paid to do so. This is particularly true for people who benefit from normalising colonial occupation and genocide, whether that's Israeli settlers or British nationalists or American christofascists. Israel doesn't need to be, and I say this phrase deliberately, ~controlling the media~ for people to make the most balls to the wall unhinged defences of genocide, because it's in many people's individual interest to do that regardless. Because they. You know. Think Sometimes Genocide Is Useful.
so like yes whenever you make any statement in support of Palestinian rights or lives, or criticising the actions of Israel, people will instantly come out of the woodwork to say you're a Nazi who hates Jewish people bc you want all Israelis to die or some shit. It's deeply wearing and not very convincing because they have yet to point out what people's criticisms of Israeli genocide of Palestinians are actually. You know. wrong about. they'll say 'it's bad when Israelis are killed!' as if that's in any way an argument against the statement 'it's bad when Palestinians are killed/oppressed'. these messages are constant, stock, and kneejerk, and exist to create too much noise for a meaningful conversation.
but no I don't agree with you on this message. partly bc of the above mentioned conspiratorial thinking (sometimes people just Are Wrong). partly bc you immediately in sentence 1 conflate the Israeli people with the Israeli state and that's some bullshit. Israel is a seller state and yes Israelis are responsible for their decisions when they knowingly steal from Palestinians at IDF gunpoint. but Israel is a whole country where people live their lives. Israelis are not a monolith nor are they individually responsible for the actions of their government, only for their own actions.
rule of thumb imo if you're engaging in any kind of good faith you gotta be really specific in acknowledging that Israelis =/= the state of Israel =/= Jews and Palestinians =/= Hamas/PA/PLO/any other faction =/= Muslims. We're talking about people here and people are not states.
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I think what people forget, ignore or probably in the case of most younger fans, just don’t know, is that a two state solution has been offered multiple times in the past. One time so much as to give the Palestinians like 90 percent of what they wanted or more, and every single time they refused. At a certain point we have to be more critical of the Palestinians as well for having the option of peace multiple times and rejecting it every single time it was offered. And I don’t think we can or should ignore the fact that they elected Hamas, who stated in their founding charter they want all jews everywhere dead. To me this shows a fundamental incapability for these two groups of people to ever live peacefully in the same region until that ideology ends. because while the Israeli govt and military has a laundry list of problems they should be called out on, and the regime needs to go, and crimes they have committed need to be brought to justice, you also can’t make peace with a government/people whose ideology wants you dead full stop. Until that changes, there is no solution because what can be done? This is why this conflict has raged for so long with no solution and is considered insanely complicated, and why the simple bad guys vs good guys binary that gen z has ascribed to the situation doesn’t work.
Jews have indigenous claims to the land and even if they didn’t, realistically millions of jews are not going to up and leave because 1) where would they even go? where would we put them? whose land would we have to take so that they could have somewhere to go and what would be the fallout and other potential problems caused from that? the logistics of that are a nightmare and many jews live in Israel because other places of the world did not want jews or it was unsafe for them there (we also need to recognize most of the arab countries had lots of jews in their countries but have expelled all or almost all of them over the years so Israel was the best place for them to go) and the whole they are just white europeans and have other passports and can just up and leave to their other homes is not applicable to most of fhe people there and insulting to isrealis who have a long lineage in the middle east 2) as we have only been shown even more this year, the world is not a safe place for jews, the quickness in which so called liberal minded western people devolved into nazi like rhetoric is alarming, and they definitely deserve a place to protect themselves …. so yea this has no solution until hamas is gone and the palestinian people decide for themselves and through who they elect to lead them, that peace is more important than hating jews cause at this point that’s the only thing stopping a 2 state solution which can be the only solution to this. Cause israel is not going to be dissolved and the jews and palestinians can not live together in one state in harmony as the history of the middle east has shown us
(And I sure hope all the people who want Israel to be dissolved because they are “white colonizers” are willing to give up their home and land if they live in north america and give it back to the. native americans , if not then they need to shut up, stop grandstanding and think of actual solutions )
This post might sound like I am laying the issues all on Palestines feet and that I am some Israel bootlicker, I am not, both sides are at fault here, and both sides need to be active in trying to make peace and stop killing, however it can’t be ignored that at least Isreal has tried many times to give them what they want and end this but they always refuse and instead elected terrorists. And then they attacked and slaughtered hundreds… Like I support their right to want to have their own land but I do not support their actions so far and inability to accept any compromises and i can’t with the “noble savage” cliched trope that the internet has given to Hamas.
omg i don’t think i have much to add because you are right lol and i agree re. palestinians having their own land. young people also don’t realise that even the jews who never left were treated like second class citizens during the ottoman empire and the british mandate. when it fell into the UN’s hands, the arabs and palestinians didn’t even want 99% of the land because they hated the idea of living next door to jews. and now, 70 plus years later, one of the hamas leaders the other day reiterated that he doesn’t want a two state solution and wants the jewish ppl gone. so… the conflict isn’t going to be solved overnight, no matter how hard american college students scream for a ceasefire and boycotting businesses/brands that aren’t necessarily explicitly linked to israel.
lol btw, yesterday i saw an irish guy on twitter who is very radical and his bio said ‘refugees always welcome’. a lovely sentiment but i know he wouldn’t extend his welcome to israelis if they were to be displaced. 🤪
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I figured out another layer of bullshit coming from the MSM and israel.
EVERY fucking day I read of news about hamas's hostages. Either ones released or still being held.
So my question is: how in the fuck do they know, daily, of whom hamas has in holding YET do not know where hamas is or how many of them are there?
How do you have SO much information on hamas ONE way, but NONE the other?
And, again, if you do know of all these isreali hostages hamas has, WHY HAVE YOU BE ENDLESSLY BOMBING WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE YOUR OWN PEOPLE?
Just ironic it's a STATED FACT israel released MORE Palestine prisoners that they held for up to 8 years, many children, YET, I never see a SINGLE story about Palestinian hostages. EVEN THO THERE WERE 4x as many israeli hostages!
If you look at this situation with a sharp eye even for a minute, bull shit oozes out of every crevice.
I loathe what is going on, but if this is the only way the world will admit israel (and its'allies) are pure fucking evil, at least we will gain some traction in the right direction from these barbaric acts.
I just don't get it. 1 side has all the money. All the resources. All the aid. All the food, water, shelter. Far more hostages, far longer. NUKES. USED WHITE PHOSPHORUS. Yet, y'all are debating who are the bad guys? YOU are now the bad guy for waiting so god damn long, and letting children be tortured FOR EIGHT YEARS OF THEIR YOUTH. Many for FUCKING THROWING STONES! STONES! NOT WHITE PHOSPHORUS! STONES! israel is the demon of this planet, the USA, UK, Australia and Canada give them energy, and we are ALL complicit in this till we call ALL of it out. Not some, not eventually; all of it, yesterday. Quit being so fucking thick and ignorant; it's getting more innocents killed. Cuz HAMAS does NOT have nukes or white phosphorus. israel does, and has used 1 of them TWICE. It BURNS TO THE BONE. BABIES. BURNT TO THE BONE. WHY!? You will never morally or even logically explain it...and you'll fucking burn in hell if you try.
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Ramon y Cajal's "Advice for the Young Investigator" (Chapter 1)
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Catholic workers with peace do want to know what's going on with a lot....uhm the vaccine....the addicts around Catholic workers are much worse and weirder then priorly so Poirot the vaccine people feel they create a foreign....so I think peace has to prosecute peace to themselves though
Because the study is just stupid that way...if people are stabbed with potent or pungent things that could cause birth deformities can it cause
Its this list London does give us of wrongs to lost boys and if it's illegal that's exactly what bmw wants to do so
Soft white underbelly they know that serial killers are people not allowed women's time....they can't appropriately and successfully be around women....their not being allowed feminine inclusion and they know European emigration brings us technological advance in medicine....and yet vaccines
Descartes....women to them created silage and artificially created God....so to them women are a Sistine Michaelangelo God ...and they may continue atrocities
He as a naval officer his women for his homo genetic project could successfully complete missions.....so those though
Most beautiful....medicine though warned people to not stimulate homo genetics sexually......do not stimulate....instead most beautiful
Hispanic culture here was very peaceful though.....so innoculations in catholicism beautiful questions answered many hundreds of years ago...
Its catholicism passions and sacrifice and mechthilde of magdenburg....beautiful though beautiful
New York's....feel they can create history of atrocity that has nothing to do with my temperament and We The People....I'm sorry but muslims are not out to kill the Trinity truth is the real issue is a little too much disinterest in communication
Its the complete ignorance of fact like indigenous people want my land truth is I don't care for and am really indifferent to indigenous culture and feel that from them about white areas sometimes it's would they buy that
I as white am suppose to help with non western housing and if I had to practice negativities like that from dark areas I would be called a racist
You just want to be like aunt jemima jerk
I would have to be called a jerk if I tried things that non western so
There are a few things from dark areas I can want to practice otherwise youth issue is said so
The bluest eye.....black peoples have always had forms of sanitation from miasmas.......that I would find very very invasive metals.....and I probably could learn differential diet but I just don't want to be called many birth mother typologies
I just don't find it my pathology and life becomes necessities so
It's all these speculative histories till I have had to be threatened so many times as some homeless woman only Facebook type legislation is desired because she just sees it's face and pushes the button uhm no disappear these creations are just so revolting
Because it's study was statistical they wanted to know if dictators start because of quantified assault if it's my homeless internment I have to hear verbal abuse slander and threats at least three times a day and experience a perp step up at me at least every time I eat
These addicts are just so weird I would ask an Israeli about it and never bother Palestinians with it but
That's me about what they will get in trouble for doing to churches they know they should ask an Israeli and they know prior sects in these church palaces hate being bothered by stuff that weird and they keep holding their meals at churches
They already know a lot of the science and Jewish military has these things and they keep going around churches
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We’re Anti-Zionist Jews and We See Genocide Unfolding in Gaza
As Jews, we condemn what Israel is doing in Gaza. Any mass slaughter will not just be on Israel’s hands, but on the hands of America
— Ellen Brotsky and Ariel Koren | Wednesday 18 October 2023 1
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‘We call on lawmakers to muster the courage to stop genocide from occurring in our name.’ Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Getty Images
It is now impossible for US politicians to ignore the slaughter in Gaza: more than 3,500 Palestinians have been killed in the 12-day barrage, including the 500 reportedly killed Tuesday at Al-Ahli Arabi Baptist hospital. Some 50 entire families have been wiped out — every living relative, including children and babies, gone. And Israel has issued a directive to those remaining that amounts to an ultimatum: leave northern Gaza, all 1.1 million of you, “for your own safety” — in other words, evacuate or risk death in the impending blitz and ground invasion.
The United Nations says such a mass evacuation is “impossible” and has potentially “devastating humanitarian consequences,” pleading with Israel to rescind the order. A UN special rapporteur was clear, calling the order “a crime against humanity and a blatant violation of international humanitarian law.”
We call it something else: unfolding genocide.
There is no other word to describe the pageantry of death embraced by Israel’s politicians. Under international law, genocide requires two things: an “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group,” and then the attempted destruction of that group. Without intent, these actions amount to ethnic cleansing. If deliberate, they are considered genocide.
Israel seems to be laying the groundwork for destroying Gaza and its residents: President Isaac Herzog on Friday said Gazans are not innocent civilians: “It is an entire nation out there that is responsible. It’s not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true.” This contradicts international law that prohibits collective punishment and the targeting of civilians, both of which amount to war crimes. It also suggests that Israel will show no restraint in its attacks on Gaza.
Forced displacement, which Israel has begun, is an established precursor to extermination — the last step, in fact, in the 10 stages of genocide cited internationally by genocide scholars and institutions, including by Holocaust museums across the world. These steps, which can occur simultaneously, include “dehumanization,” acts that deprive groups of water and food, and the false labeling of military operations as “counter-terrorism.”
We are there. Israeli officials are invoking terrorism to justify their indiscriminate bombing campaign, while the Israeli defense minister said that they are fighting “human animals” — dehumanising language that is always used in the lead-up to genocide. And an unnamed Israeli defense official was quoted as saying: “Gaza will eventually turn into a city of tents. There will be no buildings.”
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeated his promise that the mass death inflicted thus far is “only the beginning.” The Gaza strip is under “complete siege,” the defense minister said, and cut off from electricity, fuel, food and water. A Knesset member openly called for a second Nakba, referring to the mass displacement of Palestinians in 1948. Again, to deliberately create another Nakba would amount to genocide in Gaza.
The rhetoric has made it down to the rank-and-file, too: an Israeli soldier said on national television that this war is not just with Hamas, but “with all the civilians.” This indiscriminate erasure of Palestinians in Gaza would, without doubt, be genocide — as an Israeli genocide scholar has himself stated. The precursors to genocide are actively unfolding before our eyes.
As Jews, we wholly condemn this. We condemn our representatives’ unconditional support for Israeli policy, which has facilitated a decades-long occupation recognized by the majority of the world as a violation of international law. We condemn any action that will involve our people in another genocide — whether as perpetrators or oppressed.
We call on our lawmakers to do the same. Funding a potential genocide in our name is not an antidote to antisemitism: they are betraying the Jews they claim to support.
More than 1,400 Israelis have been killed last week in brutal surprise attacks by Hamas — in addition to 150 held hostage. This is a terrible, devastating toll, and we mourn the taking of civilian life without reservation. Preventing further loss of life — including of the hostages — is an urgent priority.
We also reject the hyperfixation on Hamas that has swallowed American politics, and understand this recent attack as the result of decades-long Israeli crimes and besiegement. This fact has been affirmed by Israeli opposition leaders, veterans groups, and newspapers.
We ask our Jewish community: where is the mourning and grief on the days when the civilian lives lost are Palestinian? When the children are seized by Israeli soldiers?
Between 2000 and the recent wave of violence, more than 10,600 Palestinians were killed by Israelis, according to human rights group B’Tselem, compared to 1,329 Israelis by Palestinians — an eight-fold difference.
The decades between 1948 and 2000 are filled with tens of thousands more dead — largely Palestinians. The story of this conflict, the numbers clearly show, has been the story of overwhelming Palestinian death and displacement.
The vast majority of American politicians, now and then, have acquiesced.
Over the last week, President Joseph R Biden has said repeatedly that the US commitment to Israel is steadfast — “resolute and unwavering” — as 1,000 bombs are dropped each day. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken deleted statements, twice, calling for a ceasefire. As Biden visits Israel, it is critical that he immediately call for an end to hostilities. If he fails to use the enormous leverage he has to save lives in Gaza, those deaths will be partly his responsibility.
A US special envoy said that “no one has the right to tell Israel how to defend itself.” The State Department, in fact, has warned diplomats to stay away from the phrases “de-escalation/ceasefire,” “end to violence/bloodshed,” and “restoring calm.”
Most of our congressional representatives — of both parties — are no better: leading Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said this was a “religious war” and called on Israel to “level the place” when speaking of Gaza.
Representative Nancy Pelosi, our California congresswoman, has affirmed that the United States stands “unwaveringly” by Israel as it conducts its defense — which is why seven of us chained ourselves to her San Francisco offices on Friday as more than 200 anti-Zionist Jews rallied, calling for an end to US military aid to Israel.
The few who have dissented are sidelined: Representative Rashida Tlaib, for instance, lamented losses on both sides but called for an end to occupation and apartheid; House Republicans are seeking to censure her. Representative Ilhan Omar also mourned both Israeli and Palestinian losses but was lambasted for daring to question “unconditional weapons sales and military aid to Israel.”
The White House labeled any legislators who push for restraint “disgraceful” and “repugnant.”
The most basic humanitarian impulse — to lay down arms — is now unthinkable in American politics. Questioning Israel’s right to “self-defense” is, in fact, equated with antisemitism.
Yet we see plainly the reality of that so-called defense: a terror campaign and developing plans for genocide from above. With Western support, Israel is plunging headfirst into slaughter.
And while the initial incursion by Hamas brought immediate condemnation from politicians across the country, the recent bombing has brought no reckoning whatsoever. There has been almost no reflection on the history that birthed Hamas, barricaded Gaza and created the occupation.
Israel has essentially told Gazans to get out or die, a choice between expulsion and extermination, between ethnic cleansing and genocide — and while doing so has obliterated exit routes and fired on escaping convoys, leaving Gazans trapped.
Instead of calling for an immediate halt to violence, American lawmakers have lit up our capitol buildings in blue and white and said they “stand with Israel.” They have the power to shift the calculus and compel Israel — the biggest beneficiary of US military aid — to follow international law, yet they choose not to.
Enough. We call on lawmakers to muster the courage to stop genocide from occurring in our name. They can support Israeli victims without enabling mass slaughter and forced displacement, actions that will claim thousands and thousands of lives.
Any subsequent deaths will be blood not only on Israel’s hands, but on Americans’ — particularly those who had the chance to urge international norms and rebuke occupation, but who chose to stand by instead.
Ellen Brotsky is a longtime Jewish activist and volunteer with Jewish Voice for Peace Bay Area, a chapter of the world’s largest anti-Zionist Jewish organization in solidarity with Palestinian freedom.
Ariel Koren is an anti-Zionist Jew who quit Google in protest of the company’s military contract with Israel; she is the founder of Respond Crisis Translation, a rapid-response language justice collective
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1/6 Comic - Thoughts
Disclaimer: The Very Canadian Brain Gremlin waxes political therein. Proceed ahead if you're not too exhausted by the North American climate. Feel free to skip this if you'd rather go for something more cheerful, I'll entirely understand.
Last year, and pretty much ever since, we've all had a series of painful reminders of how fragile democracy and peace can both be. January 6th 2022 is a day that'll live on in infamy in this aspect, no matter if you are or aren't American. As a Canadian, seeing the next-door neighbor more or less have a violent and self-destructive seizure that could've ended in far, far more blood than what was already spilled was chilling, largely because most of everyone who's grown up between the Ministerships of Pierre Elliott Trudeau and his son, we considered America to be the occasionally fractious, but mostly stable next-door relative we either loved, or loved to poke fun at.
A year ago, I and several others earned an object lesson on what it feels like to fear America. Not in the "I'm a terrorist hiding from drone strikes in a foxhole" sense, but in the sense that the entire apparatus that is democracy could go frightfully wrong at practically every Congressional session. The fact that it doesn't is both a small miracle and a testament of the effects of a handful of watchdog policies that a dwindling political elite still holds onto. With the Republicans now holding majority in the House of Representatives and Kevin McCarthy's role as Speaker needing several days' worth of a dog-and-pony show to be confirmed, we're again shown that there's major defects in the system, loopholes that allow charlatans to use a democratically-elected position as a sort of Reality Show of self-righteousness and jingoism - typically in the hopes of bolstering their brand.
It might pale in comparison to January 6th, but it still worries me. You shouldn't get to sit at the House of Reps to dunk on your rivals or to land Twitter buzzwords for the right crowd, but in order to speak for and to your constituents.
1/6 is what you get when a Black Harvard Law professor (Alan Jenkins) teams up with an Israeli American activist who's dabbled in comics (Gan Golan). It's effectively a speculative fiction, sketching out a late 2022 that unfolds very differently from our own version of the recorded events. Sometimes, the changes are as simple as suggesting that Officer Eugene Goodman could've actually failed in diverting the crowd for a few crucial seconds. Instead of going left, the MAGA crowd and the QAnon hardcore push right and overrun the single cop posted there.
They run into Mike Pence, who's just in the process of being ushered away from the Capitol.
Disaster follows.
Some aspects of the tale feel believable, to a degree. We're shown Stateside militias being given judicial powers by a now power-hungry Donald Trump, and TV news broadcasts being shut down in accordance to the "Fair and Balanced News Act" of 2022. The anchor protests, demands that the cameras keep rolling and cites his First Amendment rights to an Oakley-wearing and tacwear-sporting gentleman with a Union Jack festooned on his helmet.
He, snidely, asks the man if he's heard of the Second Amendment - and shoots him in cold blood.
In another part of Washington, we're shown that a rift is forming in the first-hour MAGA faithful. Most tow the line and willfully ignore blatant lies, but some have paid the insurrection's price with the blood of their loved ones. The truth of what happened is burned in their minds - and their allegiance is tested. Can you still bleed red when your compatriots hold up lies you, yourself, do not condone, even as a lifelong Republican?
We're also shown "blue plate specials" - as in, diners serving as fronts for a Democratic resistance, in the midst of their managing to save and account for 2022's electoral ballots. In this reality, it's the Democrats who know the election was stolen from them - and with hardcopy proof, this time around.
Then, there's what's arguably less believable. Take, for instance, banner-holding drones cruising down Pennsylvania Avenue as the Dotard-in-Chief has what's suggested to be one of several military parades in his honor, with other drones blasting snippets of Trump's various diatribes on a loop, to the glee of an exultant crowd. Not far from the Lincoln Memorial, a ten-foot gold-plated statue of Trump posing with a thumbs up and a Bible is the object of Instagram stories - with several panels having an almost Riefenstahl-esque tone to them. Triumph of the Most Bigly Will, if you would.
Jenkins has his "MAGAtstaffel" pin the sacking of the Capitol on Black Lives Matter proponents, and insinuates that bonafide death squads could've started prowling Democratic fiefdoms like Chicago. Another statue is unveiled, giving us a Neoclassic Jacob Chansley with horns, spear and all, carved out of granite for the next several generations to gawk at.
It's all certainly striking, it does have airs of a fairly well ruminated speculative fiction - but it's big. It's unsubtle. It misses the mark where any murder of a government official would've only been another marker on a slow downwards curve, and the fact that most left-leaning judicial bodies wouldn't have bowed down without a fight. God knows us Progressives like to wax concepts like ACAB, while forgetting that in extreme situations like this, we likely would've seen a few good souls step into view from the midst of even North America's most hated Civil Service corps, from cops to firefighters.
1/6 effectively posits the idea that America would've taken it lying down, that the international community wouldn't have weighed in on the matter. It skips over trade embargoes, locked borders and all the disadvantages of Isolationism, and is so preoccupied with yelling "Watch out!" - with good reason, I'll admit - that it forgets to actually make sense.
What struck me after reading through the first issue was this was effectively the American Left's little Red Dawn moment, in complete ignorance of the fact that playing with the same narrative devices as John Milius' doesn't exactly make for a good look.
I get it, we're all afraid of those self-styled zealots with M16s on a personal crusade to put the worst comb-over to ever grace the airwaves back into the White House. We're afraid of what they represent. I'm from Montreal, for God's sake, and even I wince and cringe whenever some moron shows up with a MAGA hat - even if I can see the dumb irony of unilingual Francophones thinking that the son of Fred Trump would give a damn about them.
The thing is, giving these chucklenuts any sort of attention that gets media coverage fuels them. The best defense I've ever found against airwaves from the chigger-infested backwoods of Northern Quebec that blast raw sewage and distilled hatred is to change the channel, to excise them from my mind.
We've had our own scares over the past years. Trump didn't just galvanize America's morons, his discourse found ears and hearts as far up as Baie-Comeau, where the Saint Lawrence's valley gives way to tundra and entire seas of dark green pines, and where anyone coming up from Quebec City - or God forbid, Montreal - feels like an alien. Lovecraft's Innsmouth, basically - just with less brine and more red flannel.
For a few years, La Meute (translated as "The Pack") represented French Canadian MAGATs, usually uneducated rubes with barely a fourth year in High School but decades of ingrained mistrust and hatred for practically anyone who wasn't local.
Did you make it to University? You were poisoned, according to them. Are you in favor of Montreal's famous open-mindedness and lauded multiculturalism? You're a sheep, or so they'd tell you. Quebec would only, only ever be truly saved the moment we'd renounce our secular ways, went back to Sunday Masses given in Latin, and locked our women where they belong. In the kitchen, naturally.
They showed up in campuses and parks, outfitted in the Sporting Goods section of the local Canadian Tire. Armed, dangerous and ready.
We laughed them out of town.
Occasionally, we hear about a few of 'em making a splash down West, grouping up with the equally-inefficient Far Right militias in Alberta or Saskachewan. Americans think of a few dozen guys, all well-drilled and in a well-stocked compound, when they hear that word.
We Quebec natives think of cowards hiding behind Facebook posts, who then come crying when the RCMP arrests them for fucking around with hunting pistols and rifles during an Instagram video upload. Most of them are barely in their twenties.
They're young and confused. Angry at things they can't even name.
We love our stand-up comics, up here. Laughter might be the best medicine, it's also a pretty badass weapon in its own right.
So, yeah. I understand what Jenkins and Galan are driving at, but it feels as dangerous to me, if not moreso, than actually trying to confront the problem on an equal footing.
I'd recommend as a thought-provoking exercise in speculative fiction, but nothing more.
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papirouge · 3 years
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1. The entire “stand with Israel” theology is based on one verse, and the verse had nothing to do with any modern nation state born a few thousand years later.
Preachers will claim God commands we stand with Israel in order to be blessed, but that’s not what the Bible says. In Genesis 12:3 God is reported to have told Abraham, “I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.” This was a promise to Abraham– neither biblical Israel nor modern Israel existed when this was written. It was a promise to Abraham as part of God’s covenant with him.
2. The Bible teaches that the true descendants of Abraham are spiritual, not ethnic.
The same preachers say, “Yes! It was a promise to Abraham and that extends to his descendants- Israel” but that’s not the whole story, either. The Bible actually teaches that “not all that descended from Israel belong to Israel” (Romans 9:6) and that a true descendant of Abraham is not ethnic but a citizenship of the heart (Romans 2:29).
Israel as a nation state is not what the Bible talks about when it talks about Israel. The New Testament Israel is comprised of all those who accept the King of Israel: Jesus.
3. Not even the prophets in the Bible blindly stood with Israel– including Jesus.
The biblical prophets are the last people who would seem “pro-Israel” because they were constantly rebuking Israel for bad behavior. And they didn’t hold back forceful language, either– some wrote that God utterly hated every expression of their religion because they were ignoring justice for the poor and marginalized.  In fact, when God spoke through the prophet Jeremiah he actually says that because Israel did not keep the covenant made with him, that he divorced her (Jer 3:8).
On top of the prophets, remember that Jesus was executed as a traitor and a threat to Israel.
4. The Bible doesn’t command we blindly support people who are committing evil acts.
This is a concept we seem to understand in day-to-day life, but all logic goes out the window when it comes to standing with Israel. For example, yes– God wants one to be faithful to their family, but does that mean you stand by and support them if they want to drive drunk? Do you support them if they want to shoot their neighbor and steal their car? Of course not- that’s nonsense.
Blindly supporting Israel would be like supporting a friend or family member regardless of their behavior, and nowhere in the Bible does it tell us to loyally follow someone even when they commit evil.
Israel is an apartheid state where the indigenous people are oppressed and victims of untold daily discrimination and violence; it is a state that offers government subsidized abortions regardless of the reason– something I would think conservative Christians would take issue with, a place where Christians have had to petition the government so that they can walk down the street without being spat upon by Israelis, a place where Christian places of worship are routinely attacked; a place where Palestinian children are mercilessly oppressed and even slaughtered, and a nation that is consistently rebuked by the international community for human rights violations that would not be tolerated anywhere else in the world.
Any theology that tells you to support all that in the name of God is theology straight from the pit of the Evil One himself.
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The bottom line: What the world calls Israel is NOT what the Bible calls Israel. The world is referring to a nation state that was created just a generation ago– the Bible is talking about the people of Abraham, which are a spiritual people who have accepted their king: Jesus. It’s not a people group one is born into, but a people group you join by pledging your allegiance to Jesus.
So is standing with Israel a biblical concept? No. In fact, the stronger biblical case would be standing in opposition to Israel’s ungodly behavior.
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Im just curious, you do know that Palestinian Arabs (whether they were always called Palestinian or not) among other groups are also native to present day Israel? They too have their own culture distinct from other Arab regions and they too have genetic ties to the regions ancient civilizations, the same if not more than most Jewish Israelis. Just because they all don’t practice Judaism (which was never the only religion practiced in the region before or after the ancient kingdom in of Israel) doesn’t mean they have less rights to the land. Saying that’s it’s better for them to be displaced than Jewish people because there are other Arab and Muslims countries is a bit of an ignorant view on the diversity of the Arab and Muslim world. How is granting Jewish people the right to return after thousands of years is okay and not indigenous Palestinians/Arabs after 70 years? Why should any state in the modern world be it Saudi Arabia, Israel, or the US be based on keeping an ethno-religious majority? At some point any minority religion can be subject extermination, should we carve out land and divide communities for them every time this happens? Does having your own country provide that much of a defense, when at any point in history they can still be overpowered and subject to invasion? As proven in the past? Is religious tolerance not a better long term solution? Religious minorities needs to be protected by all means necessary but is creating a state at the displacement of others really the only fix for that?
Alright. So you are making a lot of points here. Lets break it down.
1. I completely agree and have previously stated that I acknowledge that Palestinians and other groups like the Druze and Bedouins have indigenous ties to the land of modern Israel. I also stated that these groups do have the same rights of self-determination in this land, the same as all Jewish people.
2. I have never justified or argued for the displacement of any people in the land of Israel.
3. Yes, their are issues with Israels selective right of return. I have never said that Palestinians should not have the right of return.
These are all justified criticisms of Israeli policy and history to which I don’t have good solutions or answers.
Now lets get into your more rhetorical arguments about modern nation states. I have a hard time taking any type of criticism like this as genuine because of how it is only ever pointed towards Israel. Almost ever country on Earth has an ethnic and religious majority and has taken steps to ensure that group remains the majority. Right now, China is forcibly assimilating Uighurs by unjustly imprisoning them in concentration camps. Yet, I have never heard as a solution to that as the abolishment of China or ethnoreligious nations. It’s a double standard.
Comparing antisemitism to any other specific religious groups persecution is not a fair comparison.
You also are ignoring the fact Israel is the only majority Jewish country in the world and that this is the first time such a country existed since the Roman invasion of Judea. From then until 1948, no country has ever had a Jewish majority or been a Jewish-run state.
You also are ignoring the benefits Israel gives to Jews in the diaspora. Israel guarantees Jews a safe haven if the country they are in suddenly becomes antisemitic or discriminatory against them. Israel also gives Jews a voice in the international community. If a country does begin targeting Jews, we are insured Israel will speak out against such actions and put international pressure on the country to change. An example of how important and powerful Israel can be on an international scale to ensure Jewish safety is by looking at the exodus of Ethiopian Jews during the 1990s.
Also, the likelihood of Israel being conquered is extremely small as it stands. Part of this is the U.S. backing of Israel but also because Israels enemies know it will ruin their international standing to destroy the only Jewish country in the world.
Every other major religion has a country of their religious majority. Catholics, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists all have countries protecting their religious communities. Most of these religions have over ten countries protecting them. The Jewish people have one. We have only had this one since 1948. So yes, preach religious tolerance but until that gives the Jewish people actual political power internationally as all these other religious groups have, it will not be enough.
Yes, the current Palestinian/Israeli conflict is awful and Israel is by no means perfect. However, the answer isn’t to end the existence of Israel. It just isn’t.
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morrigansmuses · 3 years
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3 Golden Rules.
On Ethical disappointments. 
I was raised to be tolerant. To consider the views and opinions of others, to keep and open mind. I was a social outsider (homeschooled due to racism in the local school.) I vowed I wouldn’t ever exclude people for being different to me or having different values. I was desperate to make and keep friends. More than anything.
I was 15 in the late 1990s. Lonely as hell. I decided that I would befriend absolutely anyone who would have me. Essentially anyone who wouldn’t beat me up on sight for being foreign.
I decided that I had 3 and only 3 dealbreakers in terms of friendship.
RULE 1. They couldn’t be cruel to animals.
RULE 2. They coudn’t sexually abuse children.
RULE 3 They couldn’t be a card carrying Nazi.
If anyone in my life did any of those things I couldn’t associate with them anymore. But barring that I would try to accept them as individuals. 
Thats a pretty low bar right? I mean how could anyone fail to meet those insanely low standards?
See back then I didn’t know that shades of grey existed. I knew in theory that we were all imperfect beings, but I didn’t know what that meant yet in reality.
So I began to make friends. With normal kids. Actually probably nicer than average kids because they were sweet and sensitive enough to accept me for who I was when no one else would.
So the first hurdle I came across was that some of these people I was friends with enjoyed hunting. They would say for meat. I get that. Better than factory farming right? less cruel, less wasteful.
“You shouldn’t eat meat unless you’re willing to kill it yourself” They’d say virtuously.  
But then I saw them in action. Delighting in the act of killing in a way that I knew wasn’t healthy. Laughing at the kid goat’s head bursting in a shower of gore or the way an animal screamed upon being shot. Killing more than they needed… That’s an impulse I don’t believe humans should engender in themselves.
But it was for food. Right? So I overlooked it and silenced the voice in my heart.
One day my best friend shot a stray cat with his bb gun just for the laugh. It didn’t kill the cat or anything but the animal yelped and ran away. I was so upset and shocked that I burst into tears and it all came pouring out. Was he training himself to become a sociopath? I asked him.
He apologised. He never did anything like it again. He was very kind to animals, especially cats, ever since and doesn’t hunt them anymore for any reason.
I forgave.
That’s the first time I remember compromising a core value. It was like a tooth being pulled from my 15 year old head. 
I don’t regret it.
We’re still best friends. 
The second hurdle that started to crack my young heart was the undeniable fact that in the early 2000s almost every guy I knew in his early 20s had a girlfriend between that ages of 12 and 15. NEVER OLDER. I can’t stress this enough. They would vomit in disgust at the thought of a crone of 18 or 19. They were also VERY vocal about their desire and right to have sex with children after a few drinks. By the time I was 20 I knew I had aged out of the 20s dating pool. I wasn’t attracted to older men. 
No matter. I’m asexual and prefer platonic relationships anyway.
To this day I’ve never had a romantic relationship with a man. Because once I realised that Rule 2 wasn’t one any of them could keep, the trust was broken.
It wasn’t only men either. My closest girlfriend was a 26 year old substitute teacher who fucked one of her 15 year old students on a drunk night out once…
So they both had fun and boys that age are up for anything right? I mean. He probably still boasts about it today…
Right?
Plus… She was all I had. Like the only one I had at the time. I was so scared of losing her.
I turned a blind eye and ear. I tolerated. I didn’t have to approve of their teenage girlfriends did I? After all there were so many of them that if I cut them out of my life I’d have no friends ever again. Because the whole of society looked like them…
Thats the truth.
People in my extended family have dated 17 or 18 year old girls and encouraged them to drop out of school to have their children. People I love have done that.
I once knew a handsome, intelligent and charming man. He was dating a family member for a few months. He often defended the right of adult men to date teens. “Girls mature more quickly than boys.” He’d argue. Everyone would agree. After all hadn’t my great grandmother been 12 years old when she met my great grandfather and married him on her 16th birthday (with parental permission)? He was in his 20s. Just a boy himself surely? “We all know what children boys in their 20s are right?” Said my Mother… Whom I love very much.
Excuses were made.
Years later I discovered the the handsome, intelligent and charming man had been raping a 6 year old the entire time we’d known him. He is still wanted by the police today.
My father tells that when he was a boy of 18 back in the 70s he had kicked an older German man, a respected family friend, out of his car because the man had asked him to pull over, he had something important to tell him. When he did so, the man said that the Holocaust was a myth. An exaggeration, a Zionist hoax.
My Father was dating my mother at the time. She’s Jewish. So is his uncle, a Holocaust survivor.
He yelled at the man not to talk shit and made him walk home.
I am not my father.
The first time a Holocaust denier (a respected local businessman) voiced their opinion to me I froze. Then laughed. Surely he must be kidding... I argued briefly before realising that he’d made up his mind.
My well meaning people said I’d made a mistake. It was my job, they said, to change his mind. To educate him. Otherwise how would he learn?
I didn’t speak to him again but I still nod at him in the street because he employs a few of my friends and I wouldn’t want to make things awkward for them.
And also I don’t want him to yell at me. 
I have worked with Holocaust survivors and have survivors in my immediate family and I still nod in the street at a Holocaust Denier because we are raised to be polite aren’t we? Let’s not make a scene. 
We’re mature adults.
Aren’t we?
People are starting to turn weirder than they used to be. Politically.
My Leftist friends are in a secret facebook group... Strenuously defending China’s Uyghur genocide because Communism can do no wrong… And at the same time saying all the Israelis need to be killed for what they’ve done to the Palestinians. One suggests a biological weapon tailored to Jews.
My Centrist friends are suggesting we “Hang up democracy for a while” in order to combat global warming and welcome a global police state and stop “kicking off” about our rights all the time. “Maybe we need a jackboot up the arse” one of them says.
And the ones that aren’t on the Left?
My facebook feed these days is getting awfully full of Rothschild memes.
“We own every bank in the world and funded both sides of every war since Waterloo.” They say, next to a grinning caricature of Jacob de Rothschild. Reminiscent of a Nazi cartoon of a “Rat Jew.”
Even a hedge fund billionaire prick doesn’t deserve that, does he?
I don’t comment. What’s the point? They’ve watched all the youtube and don’t read history books on principal.
My Brother is getting into Qanon. So is my Sister in Law.
She follows the medical teachings of a man who thinks the Jews invented Chemotherapy to kill the Germans after the war. Apparently he is becoming more and more popular.
Eccentrics.
Thats all.
I’m half Jewish. Like My Brother.
One of the Survivors I know said that 3 weeks after the Nazi propaganda came into the school he attended, he was in Bergen Belsen and half his family was dead.
His neighbour was jealous because his father had 2 more cows than he did.
I hear Marine Le Pen is neck and neck with Macron to win France.
A good friend of mine said it's because by 2030 Muslims will outnumber white people in Europe. He won’t read the articles I send him. But he sure sends me a lot of YouTubes.
I ignore them because I don’t want to hate him. Maybe he ignores my articles for the same reason.
Hey 15 year old me…. You, skinny thing with the ethics, the braces and black eyeliner…
Those compromises I made were made out of love... And also fear. 
Please stop looking at me like that little girl.
“It’s true” writes my friend. They’re trying to breed us out. It’s all an elite Zionist plot.”
I close Whatsapp.
Here I go again I guess…
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