#but el /knows/ how he actually feels

[ickypuppi3]

post starcourt billy lives au where no one moves to california and el’s super uncomfortable with karen wheeler because now she’s classed as one of the bad people who hurt billy

#billy hargrove #el hopper #tw karen wheeler #i need someone to call her out for the good of my mental health #she cannot just get away with it #i need it to be addressed i need steve to perhaps say something too that would be fun #and el bringing it up to billy ??? i’m upset #and him trying to play it off but if there’s one person he can’t lie to it’s el #he’s all ‘i’m a guy it’s what we do no biggie’ #but el /knows/ how he actually feels #and no one else knowing or understanding why she’s off with mike all the time because that’s all she can think about #because el’s mom never stood a chance right #never had the opportunity to /be/ a mom thanks to brenner #and we all know about billy’s #but karen? she was meant to be a good mom #maybe that’s what el thought moms were like #like in her head yeah joyce karen claudia etc etc that’s what a mom is #but now there’s this conflict and disconnect #because moms can be bad people too #and not only did billy’s own mom hurt him but so did mikes #yeah #idk i have thoughts #i just need el and billy to hug maybe

[beaulesbian]

Rang a few times, then went to busy signal.

#byler #stranger things #strangerthingsedit #mike wheeler #will byers #dustin henderson #max mayfield #mine #gif:byler #this scene was so interesting for few things: #max know the byers landline by memory which means she might call enough to memorize it probably talking with El! #mike is enough frustrated that he cant connect the call that hes 'whining' about it to dustin #dustin probably doesnt call it there as much to have this problem #mike probably rather writes to el but would rather call to hear will and therefore is annoyed he cant reach him as much as he would wanted #but he wont say it to will that hes calling him much more than the times theyve actually talked!!! #therefore the argument about not connecting - which leads to mike actually talking to will in 4x4 how he feels he lost him!! #okay now im done

[fruitbythefoot7]

will loves mike the way mike wants to be loved 

#and this is why #in my humble opinion #the van scene is a heartbreakingly beautiful scene #bc in that moment mike thinks he’s nothing while will thinks he’s everything #bc mike struggles w feeling inferior and useless #especially bc he doesn’t have any cool powers or special abilities and he didn’t ACTUALLY go through anything particularly traumatizing #(which is false) #and then wills like hey wait a minute #i love you exactly as you are but i can’t tell you that because i know that you don’t feel the same #so if el loves you then she must feel like i do #bc how could who not with you as her bf? #so he tells mike what he feels #how he loves him #and it’s what mike wants to hear #BECAUSE WILL LOVES HIM. #WILLIAM BYERS LOVES MICHAEL WHEELER #I AM SO SO SICK #ITS CANON THAT HE LOVES HIM #AND MIKE MAKES WILL FEEL LIKE MAYBE ITS OK THAT HE LIKES BOYS #BECAUSE HE LIKES MIKE. #DO YOU UNDERSTAND #AHGHDJSNWKSNSJSJSBWNNSNS #byler #will byers #mike wheeler #stranger things #lia talks

[isitisitearlymichael]

I’ve been thinking about Mike and El’s argument scene today, and I really don’t like the way Mike ends up looking like the bad guy by the end of it.

Mike went into that conversation hoping to have an open conversation with El. He wanted to listen to her, and understand why she had been lying to him for months. He wanted to know how she ended up in that situation with Angela and didn’t let him help her.

Instead of a proper explanation and conversation, it was turned around on him and El accused him of not loving her anymore. And while his reaction to that wasn’t the best, it seemed unfair that suddenly their relationship issues were being blamed entirely on him.

He wasn’t even looking for an apology, even though I think he deserved one. He just wanted to try to relate to her, to listen to her. But when he tried to reason with her and mentioned the bullying he had experienced throughout school, El shut him down.

What bothers me about this is that the argument leads to Mike essentially going on this mission all season to save their relationship. It’s left in his hands to tell her he loves her and therefore “fix” everything. He even says “sorry” to her. But the “love” issue wasn’t even what that argument was about in the first place.

El is the one who hasn’t been communicating with Mike and needs to fix their relationship, if it has a future at all. By the end of the season, there’s still been no progress from her side as she doesn’t even tell him what happened with Max and hides away in her room.

By pushing Mike away in this way, it also really adds to the feeling that Mike doesn’t know her well at all, and makes his love confession fall flat. It feels like we know so much more about her than he does.

I don’t want this post to come across like I hate El or something. I know she’s been through a lot of trauma and it’s been especially difficult for her to open up verbally up to now. But at this point, they’ve supposed to have been a couple for at least 15 months and yet still haven’t found time to actually talk to each other properly. And I just don’t like how their relationship issues ultimately got framed as being Mike’s fault.

#byler #I know I don’t mention Byler here but this is why Mike and Will work together so much better #they actually talk #and while Will is still hiding his feelings #we still know much more about how he feels than we know about El

[chirpsythismorning]

#byler #stranger things #twelvegate #something something time fuckery #something something it seems like lonnie could be both el and will’s dad… #however I think this could be a misdirect… #bc something’s not right… #I feel like if we’re dealing with a time loop in some shape form #apparently Henry doesn’t want Will and el to know each other… #this is what I’ve been saying about byler evidence also low key being willel wondertwin evidence #we’ve always associated Will going missing in s1 and el disappearing in s2 #as Mike being able to handle their relationships separately and how that came to a head in s3 then s4 #and how they did that to show mike can’t juggle both of their relationships the way he’s attempting to (el romantic/Will platonic) #but I think it’s actually also interesting that Will and el are kept apart for so long… #and then finally when they’re together it’s like all of these memories are surfacing for el… #around March 22nd… #and the fact that what saved her back in 79 was the memory of her birth… #I just think that’s so interesting… #in combination with the repetition of 7/5 test subjects tattoos being the only ones focused on in every flashback #and all the twin imagery #it’s like they’re subconsciously remembering each other #maybe vecna realized the only way this could work is if they didn’t know each other #even to the point of ‘putting them against each other’… #reminds me of that shot of 11 & 12 at the basketball game #but I don’t think it’s going to work… #I think Will and el are too selfless and love each other too much to do what Henry and the audience expects #el is also going to realize that she has even stronger familial love for Will than she ever had romantic feelings for Mike #and you know what this also means?? #remember the crazy together scene? ‘they wouldn’t understand..’ ‘eleven would’ 🤯 SHE WOULD!!

[findafight]

I agree with you so much about the El thing! I swear 99% of it stems from her 'getting in the way' of byler.

And the way they act like she would have no reason to feel hurt/ betrayed/ upset if byler were to get together.

Oh yeah. It absolutely stems from her getting in the way of Byler. No question.

Not every person who ships Byler believes or thinks or treats El like this, but I've seen it pretty rampant in the tag, especially when it comes to theories. (I want to note that I think it's a cute ship! I'm not a hater of it at all but I do hate how parts of the fandom treat it as some kind of moral imperative and some groundbreaking piece of rep. That's really turned me off the fandom to a degree) El existing and caring about Mike (and Mike caring about her) is portrayed as this existential threat to the ship and its potential "endgame" status, so it has to be belittled, which is just. Stupid. You don't have to tear characters (or their dynamic with others) down to have a ship. (I know it happens in other ships within the stranger things fandom too)

I also see theories that she never loved Mike or never loved him properly or romantically and he was miserable the whole time they dated and confused his own platonic feelings towards her. Her feelings towards both Mike and Will (and their feelings towards her!) Are downgraded and insulted. She's infantilized so much it's disgusting. When shippers act as though she doesn't understand her feelings and that they are strictly platonic towards Mike, and that Mike's own are also platonic and he's been confused the whole time, and he hasn't been able to articulate that or mixed them up (because he's always been in love with Will forever, they claim), they make it seem to me like they don't respect both El's growth as a character in understanding herself and embracing her individuality or Mike's care towards his friends.

And like you said, a lot of folks act like El would have no right to feel betrayed/hurt/upset if Will, now her brother, started dating her ex? Sometimes very soon after they break up? Who she obviously has loved and cared for deeply, who hurt her by being unable to communicate his feelings, and who has been consistently on her side with everything involving the Upside Down or lab. It seems as though these theorists think if El is anything but understanding and enthusiastic about it, she's unreasonable and clearly doesn't care about Mike or Will's happiness (If they even consider El as beyond her current relationship with Mike.) When that would be a natural reaction based on everything we've seen between them and just in general. Idk I just feel like El is done so dirty.

#el hopper #people stop infantilizing her in her relationship with mike! what is wrong with you! #she knows her feelings! explore something else or don't make it feel condescending if you explore how the lab fucked her up emptionally #yall i dont care what you ship but when you full volume say her bf has paternal feelings for her bc hes actually in love with his bff #as though that is a canon fact and at all supported by the show... i want to scream. #blr #stranger things #finda's rambles #findaanswers #anonasaurus

[apatheticlexicographer]

i just had an "oh fuck it all makes sense" moment about the m!levelogue™, specifically the line “my life started the day we found you in the woods”, and why it makes me so uncomfortable in particular.

like, obviously we know it isn’t true, but it is to a degree. the day mike found el wasn’t the day his life started, but it was the day he moved from the fishpond to the sea. all of a sudden his boring suburban reality is swept up in superpowers, monsters, other worlds and shady government organizations. for a nerdy little kid like him, it's quite literally like seeing his daydreams take form.

the thing is, though, that has absolutely nothing to do with el as a person. she's the catalyst, in that everything that happened was a chain of dominoes she tipped over when she found the demogorgon in her mindscape, but that was just her action as a tool. that was eleven, the experiment, and hawkins national laboratory, and the upside down. brenner and henry creel had more agency in that string of events than she did.

none of that has anything to do with el, the person. her appearing in mike's life wasn't what caused it to "really start", it was everything else that came by association.

if somebody told me that in a love confession i'd be pissed too.

#byler #anti m!leven #mike associates his feelings for el with the ego boost of being the hero #he doesn't know how to seperate those feelings #he hates confronting the fact that being with el doesn't actually mean nonstop action movie wish fulfilment #even if their relationship is like a romcom come to life he's pretty clearly unengaged if there's no danger #it's why he wants her to need him #he's probably mad she didn't tell him abt the bullies bc in his fantasyland he would've saved her from them #maybe i should make a followup post abt this later actually lol #stranger things meta #stranger things analysis #stranger things theory

[bylertruther]

i don't like season three when viewing it as a continuation of seasons one and two, but i do very much like season three when viewing it as the prequel to seasons four and five... hmmmmm.

#rewatching it bc i wanted to make another foreshadowing compilation post for myself regarding what will's actions will #likely be in season five re: vecna and lmao. so many things are just... it's like. it makes me laugh how In Your Face it is now #that we know all that we know. so many direct parallels both with dialogue and actions. mike/will/lucas/el foreshadowing their s4 roles. #the flaying of the holloways and the creels. the dormancy / activation shit. the building shit. the natural progression of their arcs. #the different ways that their characters approach problem solving and how we see tht reinforced by s4. it's so fascinating #genuinely i think idk it was just such a big culture shock i guess u could say from 1 and 2 that it was hard to digest on its own for me #but now that 4 is in the same vein it's like Oh. Okay. Yeah no. I get it now. That's cool. I'm forever bitter but I get it and respect it. #3 4 and 5 are a package deal considering they also said 4 was like part 1 of 5. #it also makes sense bc the point of 3 was that everyone was changing and building themselves in a new way and that #includes vecna so. just so fascinating how they link everything and how their vision is so consistent with certain plots and characters #like. the lucas max mike n will + el involvement is right there. the idea that they have to kill vecna and not just his puppets is right #there. that 2nd point starts in season two but three is where it really turns into an ''the end justifies the means'' situation #(especially for will which i think is something a lot of people overlook but—) #s3 is painful when considering their personal character arcs but fucking delicious when considering the overarching supernatural vecna plot #bc thts also when he starts his ''there is no stopping this'' shtick and actually enters the story #and he's fucking slimy lol. which i Love #anyway. omg first i defended mike in the rain fight and now i'm saying i kind of like season three who the FUCK am i!!!!! #crazy what feeling the need to defend a white boy's honor will do to you 😳

[givehimthemedicine]

just a ramble of thoughts on El's kinda dicky moments this season ("I want today to be about you and me" right in front of Will, rejecting Mike's identifying with being bullied):

El doesn't really have the social experience to always realize how the others have traumas they're processing too, and that her way of going through hers can have an impact on them.

or theirs on her. she doesn't realize Mike's behavior towards her is in fact the impact of Mike going through it, but a different "it".

you know how there's a certain moment growing up where you have that realization that, ohh wait, so everyone else is the main character in their own story, like I am mine? El's around the age for that, but she's still a big step behind, still also in the process of realizing that she even is her own main character.

while she's naturally empathetic and loving, the til-recently-only-memorable part of El's upbringing really gave her no experience in like… not being the center of attention, or having to perceive others' emotions. NOT that "being the center of attention" in the lab was ever a good thing, or resulted in her feelings being valued or anything like that.

yet while she was the sole focus of the lab, SHE was never important or had any agency. even once she was the only number, she was still just a number. a prop in someone else's story.

it's gotta leave her with this weird "I'm at the center of everything but also I don't matter at all" perception of herself.

which is how she's selfless in big ways (helped find Will at her own expense, ready to die to save them all from the demogorgon, saves the world every so often, etc), but then also has these little moments that come off pretty self-regarding in her treatment of Will and Mike. it has a lot more to do with being severely developmentally behind than knowingly being an asshole. I think the others (for sure someone as perceptive as Will) know to account for that, but it still must sting sometimes.

I think this scene is something important for El -

hearing Max's trauma dump was the first time she's ever listened to one of her friends speak at length about their feelings. I'm sure she would have listened to any of her friends any time, but no one ever really opened up like that (and Max still isn't opening up to her here). maybe especially no one tries to confide in El because they either think they shouldn't because she Has It Worse, or that she wouldn't get it.

but El does get it. Max doesn't use the word "monster," but that's kinda what she thinks of herself. she thinks she did something unforgivable. El's fresh off getting some closure on her own monster arc and then turns around and finds out Max has been struggling all this time with something similar.

seeing her best friend cry and hearing her actually talk about her darkest feelings - ones not so different from El's own - idk I think that's gotta be a big moment for El in her perception of other people

#eleven #character analysis #mine #long post #kinda off topic but i'm obsessed with the way they showed el's reaction during the part about how max just stood there and watched #that's like half of why i wrote do not cry btw #el cant not have one edgelord brain cell that's going 'if you didn't help billy bc you thought he deserved it why did you also not help me' #anyway #I know the Hopper letter had feelings too but she didn't actually see him or hear it read in his voice that was just us #and it coming from your BFF hits different

[paintingformike]

if the monologue was mlevens’ idea of “good communication” they need to actually reflect on how they view relationships and what they consider enough resolution to a conflict...because wdym a situation where only one side of the relationship is actually talking while the other is physically restrained and unable to respond to them and the one talking isn’t even sure if the other can hear them is a demonstration of the two properly communicating with each other 😭

#sure mike finally allowed himself to open up to her #(after being pushed to talk by someone else but mlvns pretend that didnt happen so i’ll let them have that ignorant bliss) #but what does el actually think about his grand declaration of love? #do we even know if she has fully forgiven him for everything he said to her in their fight? #he never even got to apologize for how she treated her. like their problems go beyond just the “saying ily” conflict #he still made her feel like a monster with how cold he was to her #atleast in s3 we actually see them mutually communicating about the conflict #and mike got to apologize to her and we know that el eventually forgave him (he still explained himself poorly but thats for another topic) #and its important to note that it was an actual conversation with both being able to talk unlike the monologue #but what about their s4 conflict? do we know if el still feels like mike sees her as a monster? #do we know if she still has any bad feelings about the way he treated her? she never got to clarify her stance #because they also never got to sit down and clear the air about it... #byler

[you-usuratonkachi]

how could things potentially go for Byler in S5

Okay so, I keep thinking of ways S5 can fix the whole Will-Mike-El triangle and make it satisfactory for everyone. 

My issue with Byler becoming explicitly endgame is always the same: Mike hasn’t had time to process his feelings yet, and tbh as long as he’s with El, I doubt he will face them at all, because... well, because he doesn’t want to. And, I mean, he’s supposed to be 15 (which I always forget because they do not look 15 but well) so it’s not very surprising either. 

It took 4 seasons for Will to be shown as explicitly interested in Mike romanically. it was always heavilly implied, but never specifically highlighted. In the past seasons, if they put some kind of emphasis on the issue, it was more about Will being generally queer than Will being in love with Mike. They built that specific side of the issue NOW, so that it could have a resolution in S5. 

They have done the same for El’s character arc. It’s begun since S3 and it’s probably going to pull through by S5. 

What about Mike? Unfortunately for him, he always gets the short end of the character development stick. For being someone so closely connected to the two people who have a central role in the story, they do not dedicate much time to his psyche, and I wonder why they wrote him like that when they have made it a point to make his relationship with both El and Will be so important to both character developments. Why is it that he’s so important to them but he doesn’t get to care properly for either or have them influence his character development? 

Between his first fight with El in S4 and his last monologue to her he literally hasn’t learned anything. What he got was Will reassuring him that he was already loving her the right way, he just needed to be more confident, so he basically only repeats himself by the end (plus the ily). 

So if I’m right and El decides that she is better off breaking up with him, that will be the moment where he will finally starts to think. If he wants to go anywhere with his character development, the breakup needs to happen both for El and for him. 

In my ideal world, it would be a good breakup. El would suffer, because out of the two I’d say she’s the one whose feelings are most invested, but she would know it’s for her own good. Mike would be confused (as he was in S3 after all) and hurt because he feels like he did his best. But they would also feel better very fast. Relieved, even. And it would be nice if they got to have a couple moments where they get to actually be FRIENDS first and they realize that, holy shit, they work better this way. In fact they can finally TALK to each other work as a team without being defensive or projecting. Which would ultimately make them feel that it was for the better. 

Now in between this situation, I think it would make sense for Mike to feel like Will lied to him. He said El would always need him, that he was the heart... I think it would be the perfect chance to bring up Will’s painting and possibly make Will and Mike’s relationship strain because of it as Will is unable to explain what he truly meant with it. 

Eventually Mike would calm down and realize that Will was just being a good friend and it’s not his fault. 

This would be a good moment to introduce how conflicted he is towards Will, to show that there’s tension between them that doesn’t only come from Will’s part. Since Mike doesn’t have El to fall back onto anymore, some emotion coming from him is overly due. 

Something supernatural ensues or happens in between who knows. 

Timeskip. 

I think the timeskip having M*leven being broken up is the best possible use of the timeskip, because this gives both Mike and El reasonable time to get over each other and the audience can also feel like it’s done and it’s not too soon for Mike to move on. It’s important that before the timeskip they establish some kind of open tension between Byler coming from him. They already kinda did with Mike’s behavior in S4, but they didn’t highlight it enough for the unattentive watcher to pick up on it. So they definitely need to make it more explicit. To leave it in the minds of the watchers and Mike’s mind for the whole duration of the time skip, and eventually pick it back up after the timeskip. 

More supernatural stuff ensues. 

Mike feels dejected because Will’s painting depicted him as a Paladin and the heart of the party but in reality he doesn’t feel that way at all. Sometimes he looks at it longingly but he feels like it’s all a lie. He’s not that special at all and El didn’t really think about him that way either. So he feels like he’s stupid for fixating on it, but he still loves that painting so much. 

Eventually Will falls into a supernatural situation where Mike has to do something and take charge and either Will tells him that he was the one who painted and thought all that of Mike, or El tells Mike that she knows nothing about the painting and Mike finally realizes. 

Basically, they absolutely should pull a Beverly/Bill/Ben situation with the painting. It’s too similar not to. They set it up way too well. 

The aftermath could go both ways... either Mike was shown to struggle with his feelings for Will throughout the season and at this point he finally says fuck it and acts on them OR he still saves the day in a way that is not 100% romantic but by the end, when the supernatural is defeated and everything, he has a heart-to-heart with Will where Will gets to actually confess to him and Mike gets to be honest to him about the fact that he’s confused and scared and has been this whole time, but if Will is willing to have him anyway, he’s willing to work on it, because it’s not as scary if Will believes in him. And Will admits that this is so so scary for him too, but they promised that if they were going crazy they would be crazy together so of course he’s willing to work on it with Mike and they tentatively hold hands. 

The season ends with Mike and Will leaving Hawkins for the same college and Mike asking Will if he wants to create a new party with him, ending the whole thing with Byler basically havily hinted but not yet official and them actually ending up playing D&D and accepting that that’s who they are for the rest of their life. 

It wouldn’t give us Byler as a couple, but I think it would make such a good finale which would match all characters without making anything out of the blue? I think I’d rather have Mike come to terms with himself in a realistic, fleshed-out way, you know? Hints were given but it still feels to me that they won’t have enough time to make him go through so much self-discovery for Byler to be a full fledged couple. 

I think I would love such an ending? They would be 17 or 18 by then and it just... fits. That he would learn to be himself by then, leaving his smalltown behind, but having Will with him. Because Will makes him feel like he’s not a mistake, like he’s better for being different. 

#byler #would anyone else be happy with this #i know most people did not like that will's feelings weren't explicitly stated #but i would absolutely adore a finale like this for mike #it would feel very natural too #not rushed nor pushed onto his character #maybe it's just me #any thoughts? #there's also a chance that he has already thought about how different he is between s3 and s4 #but i feel like he won't actually acknowledge it until he's broken up with el

[wesavegotham]

Obviously I have no idea where Tom Taylor will be going with his Dark Knights of Steel elseworld, but the first book pushes the idea that Bruce, despite being a bastard (he's the illegitimate son of late Queen Martha and Jor-El in this) should inherit the throne one day since he's the only one related to the original monarchs of the kingdom, and I can't help but imagine Bruce sitting one the throne one day and he swears to himself to only sire "trueborn children" so no biologically related child of his would ever suffer from growing up as a bastard like he did...and then Damian is introduced to him.

#The idea that Damian might not actually be Bruce's son goes out the window the second Damian starts to scowl exactly like him #Actually this scenario would create a good opportunity for Bruce to reflect on how he was treated by his family #Legitimizing Damian might be controversial both because of Damian's connection to Ra's #And because being a bastard who became king should already put Bruce on politically shaky ground #If he recognizes Damian as his firstborn son and heir it would also become difficult for him to find a political alliance through marriage #Since any wife of his and her family would want to see her children on the throne after Bruce and not Damian #But Bruce suffered deeply from being a bastard and from Jor-El only revealing to him that he was his father when he was an adult #So treating Damian as a bastard or denying the paternity might be emotionally difficult for him because he knows how that feels #Btw in my head Talia only reveals Damian to Bruce to protect him from Ra's or another threat #Not to mess with Bruce #And hey #Maybe we can even solve this problem by having Bruce fall in love and marry her #Even if marrying Ra's daughter would probably be frowned upon #Idk I just want Bruce and Talia to have a love story again #Plus Talia would look amazing as queen

[vote2]

i do acknowledge i need to watch what i say wrt gender women men cis ppl etc just augh.

#its like. im a trans man 100% i want nothing to do w being seen as a women i acknowledge that. i also acknowledge that I am putting #literally zero effort in my irl life to present as a guy at all. partially lack of resources and embarrassment etc stuff like that partiall #the autism i literally look in a mirror and see a guy #and i go to class go to work and until soemone explicitally refers to me as a woman i think of myself as a guy. so like its this weird #disconnect of what i actually do vs what i percieve as expieriencing in my daily life where i am objectively living #as a cis woman who just dresses and acts a bit masc. lol. #and like that doesnt bother me atm until i get to a setting where i am gendered frequently. then i feel nauseas etc but whatever ill deal #so i always hesitate whenever i talk abt women feminism men makeup beauty expectations etc (also i am mixed thai and white which #def plays into everyhting ofc ofc) as i dont know rly what is like. not fine idc if i say smthn uncouth just i dont want to at all #seem like im doing what these other trans guys do and latch onto my femininity and 'girlhood growing up' etc or like #its all dumb to me ofc im a feminist i consider anything i speak abt feminism free the nipple being against gender essiantialism etc etc #as in feminism (not that women arent/cant be femnists just in terms of im not trying to sound like a woman) and #ofc growing up as and my current life experiences have obvi had a large impact on myself how i veiw the world my political beliefs and all. #but like. im always scared it sounds like im idr the phrase someone else used but a i dont want to seem like im latching onto girlhood as #a failsafe or whatever. its just mm ykwim its a weird feeling. cause like im a 21 year old man and read my posts as such el oh el. #idk its all weird and idk if its a specific to me thing or whattttt it just like. i feel silly sometimes and i dont want my points to be #misconstrued :) anyways me posting this after rewatching and posting abt pearl has nothign to do genuinly lmfao just timing its been #on my mind after that dumbass trans guy posting abt the lonelyness he feels abt abandoning womanhood #after watching barbie. lol and then i saw someone in the comments of some ig quote it w like 30 replies all positive like get a lifeee #i understand it can feel isolating being trans and everyones relationship back to womanhood is diff and complecated but by god. shut up #anywayyyyyssss mmm okay im done whateverr #maybe all a fear in my head and literally none of this has every crossed anyones mind however it bothers me :(

[mikoran]

i cant enjoy anything without it immediately going back to st and byler its almost worrying

like i played loz wind waker like two months ago. and i spent half the playthrough thinking of a willel centric au with byler undertones because 1) brother and sister (link and aryll -> will and el) 2) bad things happen to sister on brothers birthday (aryll gets kidnapped by bird -> el getting bullied at rinkomania) 3) brother has to go on quest to find sister. and i started planning out a wholeass thing with it and then like never did anything about it

and now recently ive been playing slime rancher again and im starting to think of mike and will being ranchers together i think something might be wrong with me

#anyway now to talk about the loz ww au in the tags #byler #willel #im realizing you guys might not know the plot of wind waker but oh wellllll #SO will is link here and el is aryll thats established in the post #now i really didnt want el to be sidelined so i fucked with the lore here a bit #in this scenario el (aryll) IS actually zelda and vecna (ganon) was right in his idea to kidnap her #in the original game ganon is going around kidnapping girls with pointy ears because they could be zelda #and the actual zelda is this pirate girl you meet named tetra and aryll is just used as a catalyst for link to do his thing #but thematically it makes more sense for el to be zelda and not whoever the tetra equivalent is #who ive gone back and forth about because her personality heavilyyy matches max compared to everyone else #but keeping the romantic pairs makes that harder but were fucking with how the lore and pairings work anyway #so i considered making tetra two characters being both max and mike but im not sure so #anyway back to the themes #having el be zelda and vecna being ganon #and by association triforce havers #that makes will also a triforce haver as link #WHICHHH CAN BE TIED TO THE WILL BYERS HAS POWERS THING AND INSTEAD OF LIKE TRIFORCES ITS BEING NUMBERS DO YOU SEE THE VISION #THEMES PEOPLE THEMESSSS #also dustin is makar just cuz i feel like hes violin coded no one ask it makes sense to me #and lucas as medli with erica as prince komali #cuz i want dustin lucas and erica to still have more major roles #and they just work there to me idk i can see erica being bitchy and emo over an orb #no ones gonna read this but to the people who do ily #i was literally just thinking of ideas for this au during that whole playthrough after finding the similarities i mentioned #its sad honestly #i have drawing ideas for this too thatll never see the light of day #OH AND LINKS GRANDMA BEING ALL WORRIED EQUALS JOYCE BEING ALL WORRIED THE PARENTAL FIGURE LINES UP TOOOO #im done now sorry

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urge to make a big post about how mike doesn’t fit anywhere vs bigger urge to include it in the jtr timeline thing im working on

#narratively it makes sense. it makes sense in the jtr stuff i think. i just gotta rewatch the show for something a little more foundational #i still think him and el are Weird because he’s always vaguely sensing her/seeing her and we still don’t really know what the void actually #is #it’s not the in between #it’s somewhere different #and i’m thinking about em’s time displacement post and heather holloway and how we watched her get dragged under the water #as she was possessed by edward #which would possibly send her back two years #el has the ability to go into people’s minds and stuff like edward but she alsohas the void which can Construct someone’s mind #which like. wondering if edward has a void too #the way max travels from the graveyard to edward’s realm feels similar to el walking through billy’s memories #and to break through the gates would disrupt time right #but they can’t reunite the timelines just create a gate between them #they’re like fleas i guess #if the void is meant to be the spot between timelines #which raises question to where /will/ was whenever he was having episodes #maybe there’s meant to be a difference between the timeline and the actual physical spaces those timelines take #will seems closer to the physical aspects while el might be closer to the time aspect #may be #or im overthinking it because im just ranting right now #doesnt matter bc im having a great time figuring stuff out

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I'm Not In Love by 10cc

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#byler #stranger things #bizarre love triangle playlist #mike wheeler #mike’s pov #this song is so denial ridden it's quite remarkable #the insistent denial of anything deeper than platonic #'it's just a silly phase i'm going through' #mike thinks his feelings for will are childish and that he'll grow out of them eventually if he just tries #'and just bc i call you up-- don't get me wrong-- dont think you've got it made' #this is kind of sad bc it fits perfectly with mike not telling will about how much he actually did call #bc here will compares mike's book of letters with el to mike's lack of calling him #mike has no choice but to keep the truth of the matter to himself #he's also so defensive like the lyrics here bc he's scared will can read him and his feelings plain as day #which is why he has to throw in the “WE'RE FRIENDS WE'RE FRIENDS” line #'i keep your picture on the wall. it hids a nasty stain that's lying there' #'--so dont you ask me to give it back-- i know you know it doesn't mean that much to me' #mike hanging up will’s art crumbs 😣 #this is just SAD #this dude thinks he's caught and he's trying to pretend that the other person has it all wrong #even though we all know they're just making a fool of themself at this point #and then finally it ends with #'ohh you'll wait a long time for me' #aka it will have taken five seasons for mike to finally come to terms with his feelings for will and accept them by the end #4x02 #gif