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purpleangelsele · 1 year

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Since there’s a post using very tired arguments I’ll just talk about it.

From what I say onwards is my opinion and anyone can disagree, this is just my observations and opinions on what actually happened in the show.

Side note: If your post is clearly anti mileven, do better in censoring and tagging your shit because it still shows up in the tag.

Okay? Moving on…

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Okay so let’s start with this section.

So there’s this problem that B*lers have with not stating it’s their opinion first and foremost. Because they state that El “clearly” didn’t believe Mike when he said I love you…but where’s the exact confirmation? That sentence alone is an opinion that is not based on facts or even context. And apparently Mike idealizes El?

The same Mike that was worried she was draining herself way too much for everyone else, the one from the very beginning that said “she’s not a dog.”, the one that said “no, you’re not a monster, you saved me. You saved me.” But he’s idealizing her? He clearly states that he loves her with or without her powers. That is factual and from the show.

El doesn’t believe she is a superhero anymore because of the way she views herself. It is why she pulls away from Mike because she would hurt more if Mike saw her as monster, but Mike never saw her a monster just who she was. Personally, I think her powers make her a selfless superhero at times, she is always saving everyone and the world from danger.

So about the argument scene. El crying in front of Mike is not just because their relationship, it’s everything that happened yesterday, with hopper being gone, Angela showing up and humiliated her, and she hit back. but because she let her anger get the best of her, she’s feeling like a monster because of it. Her flashbacks to kids dead covered in blood with Brenner asking what she’s done, triggers her downward spiral internally. Which makes it harder for her to see clearly how Mike doesn’t view her as a monster.

If someone was sobbing in front of me, begging me to say I love you to them, I would be shocked and not immediately say I love you because then it wouldn’t seem genuine. Also her emotions are fully controlling her so hearing I love you wouldn’t have made anything better. She could have just said it was a lie or think he’s lying because she’s not in the right headspace to accept those words in that moment. That’s what I think. Obviously I have no idea what is going on in their minds but I can guess.

Mike was dealing with deep self-esteem issues and considering he’s been bullied his whole life, he thought he might not be needed anymore, because she didn’t tell him about her situation and he doesn’t know if he’s a good boyfriend for not even noticing her going through it. But he only had letters and he believed what she said in them. Both of them are not to blame, they are two teenagers still navigating this crazy world they live in where the upside down resides.

I believe that, Mike cares and loves El in a romantic sense because both of them felt like outcasts but understood each other when no one else would. Yes they have shared trauma but their relationship is far deeper and has a foundation set by a literal ride or die friendship.

Alsooo, remember when I said some annoying B*lers thought it would be hilarious if we thought Mike meant what he said?

Yeahhh. That’s exactly what I was talking about. Proving my point once again.

I personally don’t see how Mileven was a mess. Maybe I’m too biased but I’m pretty sure they’re the healthiest couple on the show. Even when they were broken up (briefly), they never stopped being considerate of the other and being there for the other person. Mike said “it’s a fight you cannot come back from.” And that makes me think.. wow that’s such a teenage thing to say, because any argument when you’re in relationship feels final but it wasn’t, because I think El still loves him and is willing to work things out with him, but it’s going to take some time. It doesn’t mean they’re a mess, they just have way too much to deal with, aside from their relationship. Like Hawkins falling apart, and Vecna still alive but hurt. Call it wishful thinking but I’m not worried about their relationship.

Now, this same old opinion that has been circling since season 4 “ El was distant from Mike after the Speech.” Again considering what happened in the show, it’s understandable that El isn’t in the speaking mood. She just found out Max was in a coma and couldn’t find her anywhere in her mind. That can mess with her mental state especially because El feels like she failed Max.

But don’t forget that she wasn’t denying physical touch and closeness with Mike during the hospital scene with Max. They stood side by side and she was wearing what I assume is a hoodie of Mike’s. And automatically she leans against his shoulder while he rubs her shoulder briefly. That does not signal to me that she’s planning to breakup with him because she can still think about taking down Vecna but want the relationship with Mike in tact.

El being independent has been the whole show. She’s been alone since her birth, considering she was builled by other kids and escaped by herself and only had herself to rely on until she met Benny, and then the party. She gets separated from the party at the end of season 1, she stays in the woods by herself for about a month I think. Then Hopper takes her in but she’s still so isolated and alone because she can’t interact with her friends in fear of Brenner finding her. And then In Season three she gets to spend more time with Max and got to know her better. In season 4, she’s separated from Mike in handcuffs, and then by Dr.Owens taking her to Nina. She spends majority of the season alone because she was learning more about herself and getting back her abilities in the process. When they finally reunite it feels amazing and both of them are just elated to see eachother alive.

El can be independent and still be the one to save everyone because Mike is not the one with powers here, she can take care of herself and she’s shown that time and time again.

Mike Wheeler is more than El’s boyfriend. He is the leader of the party, the one that comes up with plans and follows through. He’s also the one that comes up with plans that help El or like season 4, find her location. He is dealing with untreated trauma, watching El “die” in front of him, talking to his Walkie-Talkie and feeling her there but feeling crazy for thinking that. His family situation(enough said). The way school has affected him in terms of the cliques and the bullies. Then there’s the Upside down and the constant fear that he’ll lose the person he loves to Vecna. He’s so much more than her boyfriend, he is a fully-fleshed out character that deserves more respect and honestly, I hope to see him grow more in season 5.

Is there any confirmation that they are miserable with eachother? No? Then don’t say it as a common fact. El deserves to be loved unconditionally and Mike does love her unconditionally, that’s why he takes their conversations more seriously, that’s why he’s different than his dad, he actually thinks on what he said and how it affected El. And he works on himself to be better and more open about his feelings especially with El. And Mike did say I love you to someone, El.

In the show, he said I love you. Personally, I think that type of post is dismissing the complexity of their relationship and is only scratching the surface of it. Also love the cherry pickiness of scenes that are twisted in such a negative way that I never would have thought upon viewing it the first time.

At the end of the day this is my perspective. I’m not posting this to change anyone’s minds. I just want people to read this and at least understand why I think this way. Instead of being sheep, develop your own opinions about the ships in context of the show and if you don’t then that’s okay, Fanon is cool too. It’s only problematic when Fanon is treated as Canon facts.

That’s all. Thank you for reading the whole post!!

-Sel💜

#mileven #mike wheeler #el hopper #mike x el #stranger things #anti byler #my post #my thoughts #selwrites

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will80sbyers · 1 year

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The fact that Casablanca was one of the movie inspo for s4 to me just confirms how the selfless love is gonna win at the end of the show, meaning Will gets the guy because he lied about the painting to make Mike happy

there is a part of the movie where they talk about this woman asking something like... (paraphrasing because I don't remember the exact words now) “ if someone loved you so much to want your happiness first and to have your happiness they did a bad thing would you forgive them? and Rick responds saying that no one ever loved him that much... making it clear that he wished he had that type of love

this reminds me of Mike wanting that type of pure love for himself... and Will lied because he loved Mike that much and when Mike finds out about it he will also find out that he belongs with Will

I think this is the most important parallel that they used for the love triangle!!!

but

they also took some other random stuff just to copy iconic moments and quotes, like they copied the idea of the message that El left for Mike when she left him behind from the message Ilsa leaves for Rick before leaving him... they took the "what about us?" di Ilsa, with romantic connotation, and made Will say it to Mike... so there is not a direct parallel here so I think we shouldn't expect the resolution of the triangle to be the same exactly!

spoilers for the plot of the love triangle in Casablanca even if I'm keeping things very vague:

Victor & Ilsa are married until Victor gets taken away and Ilsa thinks he's dead for one year

during this year Ilsa meets Rick and they fall in love even if they don't know much about each other and she talks about how she fell for him mostly because she felt lonely and he gave her hope

then when she finds out that Victor is still alive she decides to leave Rick and go back to Victor but this also because he needed her to take care of him after what happened to him

Now Rick and Ilsa met again and Ilsa and Victor need something from Rick to go away and save their lives

Rick first denied this help to them because he was angry about Ilsa leaving him without explanation and he still has feelings for her

Ilsa goes to Rick alone and tries to convince him to help at least Victor to get away because otherwise he will be killed, she explains what happened but when that doesn't work she starts threatening Rick with a gun but then she can't find the courage to shoot him because she still has feelings for him too, so she tries to convince him to help her save Victor by saying that to Rick, kissing him and saying she doesn't want to leave him but he must help at least Victor

after this Victor talks to Rick and tells him he knows there is something between Ilsa and him and he asks Rick to take Ilsa and leave to save her life, he's willing to sacrifice himself to save her

this act of selfless love makes Rick decide to, in the end, help Ilsa and Victor to leave and save both of them

Rick tells Ilsa she was basically not in love with him and he knows she was pretending with him and let her pretend and that she belongs with Victor and she agrees even if the audience knows it's not exactly the whole truth but she decides to leave with Victor anyway

so it is implied that what Rick said to Victor and her was a lie and Ilsa actually loved both Rick and Victor... but Ilsa and Rick don't end up together because they were not meant to be!

theoretically in this story Rick is El, Ilsa is Mike and Victor is Will but I think it's a loose parallel because sometimes you can parallel Ilsa to El and Will too instead of Mike and sometimes you can parallel Mike to Rick depending on the moment...

so I think some things in the resolution of the triangle are going to be different, and we shouldn't take it as a given, for example I think Mike and El will end up being purely platonic without implications of romantic feelings still being there!

#byler #will byers #mike wheeler #byler Casablanca

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etherealfroggy · 2 years

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I keep seeing melvins claim that we're making too big of a deal out of the line "my life started that day we found you in the woods" - saying that we're lying about that being the day will went missing so it doesn't even matter. Or that Will feeling bad about that line makes him self centered.

But...

Like....

Are they forgetting that it matters because that is the day THE KIDS found out he was missing? Like yes, technically Will disappeared the day before. But everyone only found out the day after...when he didn't show up to school...the day they found el in the woods.

I'm so confused by how they think this is such a "gotcha" point - its not...it really isn't. They're ignoring the actual reason behind why it feels so wrong for him to say the day he found out his best friend could possibly be dead or gone forever is the day his life started.

(Some people are even claiming that saying his life started that day applies to all the characters because that's when their adventure began. But that's not a good thing either. As much as I love that it means they gained a new friend in El and El herself escaped from her abuse...she brought a whole lot of trouble and trauma with her. The Upside Down may have made their lives more interesting but not in a way you would ever want. Their lives may have started but in a way that would traumatize and terrorize them. Its still not a net positive thing)

And the fact that they're trying to say "not everything is about will" like YEAH WE KNOW THAT. THE SHOW HAS SHOWN US VERY WELL THAT WILL IS FORGETTABLE AND IRRELEVANT FOR THE PAST 2 SEASONS.

But.

Things that don't directly concern us can still hurt us. What other people say and do to/with each other can reveal how they feel about you. Mike's line revealed what he felt about that day and indirectly how he felt about Will's disappearance.

Will had every right to be hurt about that line. He wasn't being selfish...or making it about him. He just had a natural, normal, human reaction to finding out your best friend and crush believes something like that about what was possibly the most horrifying day of your life. He didnt make it about himself. He never confronted Mike about that line or made it seem like Mike was evil for saying that.

He was just hurt.

And he's allowed to be.

Some people really think Will being selfless means he has to forever be a doormat and eternally push his feelings aside for everyone else. That's not healthy. People are too quick to celebrate how far Will has taken a good trait and turned it into a self-destructive one. Demonizing Will for simply FEELING HURT (implying experiencing an emotion makes him selfish and self-centered) purely because you expect him to bend over backwards for everyone else all the time is cruel.

That's all he has done the whole season. In fact, the whole show. And its not admirable...its sad.

#byler #stranger things 4 #stranger things #I just had to get that off my chest after seeing so many people agree with this line of thinking #its just not okay

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background-character-341 · 2 years

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Okay, so I've seen a few posts recently about how Nancy doesn't care about Mike. This has bothered me ever since it started, and I think I've finally figured out why: I relate way too hard to Nancy right now. Their relationship actually reminds me a lot of the relationship between me and my sister.

Here's the thing. I don't interact with my sister if I can help it. It's sad but it's true; that's just the way we've structured our lives. We live in the same house and eat meals together, but that's pretty much where our interactions stop. We've fully separated ourselves from each other.

Nancy and Mike's main issue right now is communication. They don't know how to talk to each other, and the few times that they do try to have a conversation, it's usually an argument. We see this all the time in season 1 when they are having dinner, but we also see this in season 3, when she is telling him that he should respect El's wishes and ends up inadvertently invalidating his feelings.

Nancy doesn't know how to talk to Mike, and I think that a lot of that has to do with their parents' relationship. Karen and Ted clearly don't talk much to each other. They've built these walls around themselves to protect them from this loveless marriage. And without any good examples of healthy communication, Nancy and Mike have also learned to build these walls around themselves. We know this because we've see the way these walls affect their other relationships.

In Mike's case, his relationship with El is defined by these walls, and he uses her as a way of keeping them up. His relationship with Will is similar, though more to the extent that he's the only person who Mike lets them down around. We also see this in the way he represses his feelings for Will. He also has walls around his feelings to hide them from himself.

Nancy is in a similar boat. Her relationship with Steve was defined by the way she repressed her feelings, it was a shield that she used against her grief for Barb. With Jonathan she could let her walls down. But Nancy is still repressing her grief for Barb. We see that with her Vecna vision in season 4. She hasn't fully processed this, and she's hiding these feelings from herself, just like Mike is with his feelings for Will.

Nancy and Mike are very similar characters. They are both selfless and caring and incredibly smart. And they are both stubborn and so very bad at processing their feelings. They've both built walls around themselves so that they don't have to acknowledge that they're hurting. And when you've got these two people with walls and no basis for healthy communication, you get this strained relationship that's hurting them both. You get two people who love each other very much, but are worlds apart.

I think there's some merit to the idea that Nancy is trying to be everybody else's big sister. She doesn't know how to do that for Mike, so she tries to do it for his friends, because they're easier to talk to. They don't have walls that she needs to break down. They don't have a relationship with her that was built on a foundation of repressed feelings and antagonism.

We see Nancy try to reach out to Mike at the end of season 1. She tells him no more secrets and then immediately lies to her about her feelings for Jonathan. And regardless of whether you believe that Mike is bi or gay, it's clear that his response to her question about El is supposed to be a direct parallel to that. Neither of them are ready to keep that promise yet. Neither of them are ready to let down those walls and let the other in.

But that season 1 conversation gives me hope for them. Because the Duffers have shown us time and again that they don't throw in lines for shits and giggles. They don't just forget details from earlier seasons. The same people who gave us blue meets yellow in the west, who gave us numerous callbacks to season 2 in season 4, who paralleled Jonathan's talk with Will to Karen's talk with Mike, didn't just forget an important character moment from the first season. The same show that has shown us it knows how to write siblings, knows how to write friends, and is in the process of writing one of the greatest queer love stories we have ever seen, didn't just abandon this sibling relationship.

I fully believe that Mike is going to go missing next season somehow. And yes this will be great for us bylers who get to see Will looking for Mike with the same intensity that Mike looked for Will. But it will also force Nancy to confront her love for Mike as well as her trauma with Barb. And the next time they see each other they will finally be ready to tear down those walls and truly be vulnerable with each other. They'll finally keep their promise.

The beginning of season 4 is a small moment as far as their ineractions go. It's short and rushed and they are both annoyed at each other. And for me, it's also painfully real. Their relationship isn't bad writing, or Nancy not caring about Mike. It's a tragedy. Another casualty of the Wheeler trauma.

#nancy loves mike #she just has communication issues #but what else is new hey?#i really hope they settle this in season 5 #nancy wheeler #mike wheeler #byler #mine

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willel · 2 years

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For some reason, I like how El is similar to her two brothers (Henry and Will, who are also similar to each other). Like Henry, she was "different" and raised in a lab (from birth unlike him), she has powers; she's a killer just like him. But she's also selfless, gentle and loving just like Will. If Henry is a monster, then Will, his opposite, is a hero. And El would be somewhere in between - monster AND superhero ("monster" because her powers can cause harm and she hates herself for it).

Yeah, after season 4 I think we're firmly in the "rule of threes" period. I mean, with the amount of love triangles we have in Stranger Things, this isn't surprising.

Here's how TVTropes describes it

Sometimes called trebling, the Rule of Three is a pattern used in stories and jokes, where part of the story is told three times, with minor variations. The first two instances build tension, and the third releases it by incorporating a twist. Three is the smallest number required to create a pattern, so it's especially common in storytelling.The third of three siblings succeeds after their older siblings each failed. The protagonist is given three tests and receives the prize after the third. It's almost unusual to find a folktale that does not incorporate the Rule of Three in some form. [...] Sometimes, an event needs to be shown three times to establish that a variation to the norm is happening. The first time the audience sees this event, they see it happening a certain way, but they don't yet know that this is typical. The second time they see it, it is the same as the first. This establishes that this is the standard way that things always happen. The third time they see the event in question, it is different, so the audience knows that this is a deviation from the norm. For example, in The Shawshank Redemption, we see Red appear before the parole board three times. The first two appearances are practically identical. The third instance is different, indicating how Red changed after Andy left. [...} The trope is also incredibly common in fairytales and ghost stories that are part of oral tradition. The reason above is important, as audiences don't have a good idea of how this ghost/gnome/witch would typically behave, and it works well for building tension too. But another reason is that it's easy to remember. You get three times the story padding for only having to remember one short story and some minor variations. This makes the story easier to remember than non-repeating tales of the same length, both for professionals who collect as many stories as possible, and for people that pass a story on pretty much because they happened to remember it.

To summarize, Henry is the third piece, the final dot on this triangle. The show has spent a great deal of time establishing how Will and El are "othered" in similar yet different ways (unless you're one of the people who deny Will and El have any similarities that is).

Henry is the third point that brings it all together. Henry was othered in normal life (like Will) and his abnormal life (like El)

We've reached a point now where El has been othered in both sides of her life too (the normal and the abnormal)

Now, it's probably Will's turn to make the triangle complete. I mean, he already is pretty much but I don't think he's done being weird in his abnormal part of life.

As TVTropes said, this kind of triple decker story telling is not new. Will, El, and Henry share a similar story. We don't need 5 episodes worth of backstory on Henry to explain how he was othered because the story of Will and El has already informed us what being "different" is like and how people treat you because of it.

We can assume:

He was bullied at school

He felt like people didn't care about him or his interest

He was called names

If he had friends, he didn't have any when he moved away to Hawkins so he was alone

His sister probably distanced herself from him for various reasons

His mom was probably always on his case taking him from professional to professional

All around isolation socially, mentally, and physically

#stranger things #henry creel #will byers #el hopper #willel #ask

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occasionallykettle · 2 years

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call me crazy, but i'm actually glad that they didn't make byler happen in volume 2 of season 4. i don't see any context where they could have slipped in a confession or something romantic between them. the first thing that comes to mind would be the van scene (because technically that is where will confessed, mike just didn't get it) but i think that would have been rushed and not related to what they were supposed to be doing, which was finding el.

the entire reason that will even showed mike his painting was so that will could lie and say that it was from el, and that "el really needs him" or something, since mike was feeling down and needed support (and obviously will gave mike that support because will is selfless and puts others' feelings before his own), so will just coming out of the blue with a love confession wouldn't make too much sense in my eyes. the most romantic thing that they could have done here would have been to have will put his hand on mike's for comfort (just like how mike did to will in season 2), but even then it wouldn't be a confession and mike's oblivious ass wouldn't get it.

will definitely couldn't make a confession when el was around - he wouldn't be able to bring himself to do it, and that makes sense - so that just removes half the season.

so possibly the last time that they would have been able to confess to each other would have been in one of their heart-to-hearts in will's bedroom? still, i think that would have been a bit too early in the season with not enough build-up since mike had arrived at california. and again, here the most romantic thing to do would have been to make will put his hand on mike's (this wouldn't work for the reasons stated above)

now the reasons i'm glad that they didn't slip a byler moment (not hand holding, more like kissing or a love confession - a small comforting hand hold would have been great) are: 1) they can have an entire episode dedicated to just them two. i have seen posts all over the internet about will being in the upside down again to parallel season 1, except this time mike follows him willingly. then it's just those two in the upside down for half an episode or so. 2) when they are in the middle of defeating vecna (i assume this would be right before the big main fight where will or someone kills him), will and mike would be bonded even more over their hardships in the last few days. this would make up for how they possibly separated over the 10 months that will had been at california, but also provide new opportunities for a confession from either of them. 3) there will be even more build-up (4 seasons and maybe half of season 5?) to the inevitable confession from either of them, rather than just the 3 seasons and a bit that we originally thought. how immensely satisfying will the confession be for us viewers after 4 and a half seasons? after almost eight years?? i am getting excited just thinking about the possibilities.

#duffer brothers you better not mess this up #how has it not occurred to me yet that we will have been waiting 8 years for byler by the time that it happens #byler

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kl125 · 2 years

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I think Will isn't really about wanting Mike to love him back, it's more about accepting him for who he is. He's just scared of losing him as a friend. I mean he can see how much Mike loves El and he won't be able to change that and he thinks it's amazing that he doesn't make her feel like a mistake, but it lessens his own fear of not being a mistake in his eyes.

You hit the nail right on the head, anon. That’s how I saw it, too. Here’s me, back on my character study grind.

Will loves Mike and El, and he sees how happy they make each other. Knowing how selfless he is, he wouldn’t want to jeopardize that. It is less about Mike returning his feelings, and more about hearing from someone, anyone, that he’s important and worthy and, well…loved.

Will’s discussions with Mike revolved around wanting to know that his friends actually missed him. He felt so cut-off all the way in California, that it exacerbated these already palpable feelings of insignificance and loneliness; things he felt long before he was ever even taken to the Upside Down. I think he targeted Mike with his anger because one, he’s actually there with him physically, and two, Will witnessed how consistently he contacted El. It was easy to build a narrative around the behavior when he had an existing frame of reference.

Will is valid in feeling this way, and Mike knows that he’s been neglectful. Of course, relationships are a two-way street, but Mike realizes in that moment in Will’s bedroom before the shootout that Will needed to be told that he was right, in as loving of a way as possible. Will needed to know that he wasn’t…mistaken. (See what I did there? Okay, I’ll see myself out.)

Anyway, it all comes together in that moment in the van. Will finally opens up about feeling like a mistake his whole life, but that Mike provides him a level of comfort that he’ll always need no matter what, and he’s not wrong that El probably feels the same way. He gets to be vulnerable while still protecting the part of him that’s just not quite ready yet. Maybe someday soon, but not yet. Mike was the first person who made him feel like he was worthy of love and companionship all those years ago on the playground, so it makes sense that he wants to hold onto that friendship as much as he can. It’s a really beautifully bittersweet moment, and we see a lot of maturity and growth from Will compared to previous seasons.

Having someone in his life like Mike, who sees people wholly as they are and stills cares for them deeply, is meaningful to Will. He’s scared that if he loses Mike, he’ll never find a friend who will accept him and care about him in the same way. He’d much rather support his best friend and his sister, and keep them both in his life, then risk losing them by admitting any romantic feelings he might have for a certain lanky, dark-haired paladin.

El, Mike, and Will are my favorite characters of the show by far (but I love and adore all of the characters tbh). There’s just so much to explore, and the scenes can be read a thousand different ways. This is just my take on it, and it brings me comfort, and that’s the best thing a story can do. Thanks for the ask!

#my post #stranger things #netflix #stranger things 4 #eleven #mike wheeler #mileven #stranger things spoilers #jane hopper #st4 spoilers #will byers #asks #anon

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wibble-wobbegong · 1 year

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Mike: **getting Will back and trying to woo him, thinking about becoming a couple, organizing the rest of lives together** Will: He doesn't love me, he'll never love me, why would he love me if he has her? I'll never experience romantic love, I'm undeserving of it. MISCOMMUNICATION TROPE AT ITS FINEST.

no im SO serious about it too

mike was consciously, knowingly, and actively begging will byers to say he still loves him so they can skip off into the sunset together. he was flirting, confessing, holding hands, and shuttering every time will so as much looked at him bc he STILL hasn’t given mike an answer only for will to be blinded by his own self hatred (not bc he’s gay but he just feels like he’s not enough for mike, that mike could never love him, etc.) and use el’s name as a cover up bc he thinks it’s the only way his words and his heart will mean something and MIKE SEES RIGHT THROUGH IT. HE KNOWS WILL IS TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF.

and you know what really does it in??? where will really screws himself over???? “you’re the heart” WILL PLEASE HE WAS IN YOUR HANDS. HE WAS RIGHT THERE. WE WERE THIS CLOSE 🤏 TO THEM FINALLY GWTTING THEIR SHIT SORTED OUT BUT WILL IS TOO GOD DAMN SELFLESS

the miscommunication this season is unREAL. genuinely the most well done and devastating way they could’ve taken it. they were so close to finally crossing and then will pushes mike away and it all crumbles and i HATE IT HERE!!!!! IF THESE MFS STOPPED PUSHING EACH OTHER AWAY FOR 1 SECOND.

#GOD #IT MAKES ME FUCKING INSANE WVERY TIME I THINK ABLUT HOW CLOSE THEY WERE #cannot wait for will’s selfishness arc. when i say it’s the key to will’s heroism i mean that with my whole chest #he’s always been loved and given love but it’s his inability to think he deserves it that hurts #will ‘love incarnate’ byers just needs to understand that people really do love him as much as he loves them #it will okay my sweet apple pie you will see and you will get everything you want in the world i promise #asks #will byers #mike wheeler #byler

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sevelevs · 2 years

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“she’s already beginning to understand she doesn’t need me. i saw it — i saw it in her eyes, the last time we talked”

okay, there's A LOT to unpack here.

let's say that mike is straight and we're supposed to take their romantic relationship seriously.

i really don't understand how can people read this and think whatever mike's feelings for el are, that they are in any way "normal" or "healthy".

kinda brings me back to s3 when he got mad because she finally found herself a friend and was having fun without him. and in s4 at how dismissive he was of her when she was talking about her new friends and her life in lenora at the airport and rink-o-mania. plus the way the monologue was only centered around himself and his own needs was concerning too.

I know the "possessive bf" and the "you're mine only" tropes are very common and are used to make the audience see how "special" two characters are to each other, but in this case, I think the writers made a big mistake on using this tropes for milkvan giving el's upbringing.

“she’s already beginning to understand she doesn’t need me." this part irks me so much because it seems he wants her to stay oblivious to the world and is scared of her growing as a person outside of him.

if we're supposed to take their relationship seriously I don't understand why the writers decided to make mike's feelings for her seem so selfish.

and it's not like they don't know how to write selfless and unconditional love. they've literally showed us this kind of love many times with the other characters. like will sacrificing his own feelings for mike's sake and happiness. lucas unconditionally staying by max's side even when she kept pushing him away. with jonathan being ready to let nancy go so she doesn't have to sacrifice her dreams for him. and with joyce risking her own life to bring hopper back.

mike's "love" is really lacking in comparison.

and this is why I could never get behind their relationship or support it even if it turns out they've been writing mike as straight all along.

#and this is just from this little snippet alone #dont get me started on their whole relationship dating back to s1 #sorry #they just irk me so much #anti m*leven #byler

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thranduel · 2 years

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mike smiles a bit, looking back at that drawing, feeling better now.

will byers made mike wheeler feel better. his painting and his words made him happy and gave him strength. he was struggling before that and no one else could help him. only will.

don’t you think it’s crazy that mike has been in a relationship for several years, and the entire time, he never felt truly needed or confident about himself? how is that healthy or fair for a teenager with so much unresolved trauma? and how do you think el felt too? he couldn’t even say “i love you” to his own girlfriend or write it on paper. there is no communication or trust or honesty with their relationship, because if there was, their issues would’ve been resolved a long time ago WITHOUT the help of someone else. mike has been insecure during this entire relationship which has mentally affected him AND el.

several years of being in a relationship. kissing, hugging, holding hands and probably hundreds of letters sent as well. and yet, mike still didn’t feel needed. he didn’t feel confident. he didn’t feel loved enough. but all it took was one beautiful heart-to-heart conversation with will that changed everything. just ONE scene where will confessed his own feelings and told mike how much he loves him and that he’ll always need him, and mike suddenly felt strong and loved. he believed every word because it all came from will, and will was talking about his OWN feelings for mike. isn’t that crazy? one painting and one conversation with will byers and mike wheeler felt loved, truly loved, for the first time in his life. he felt more loved and needed in that single moment than he has felt during his entire relationship that he’s been in for years. mike doesn’t trust anyone the way he trusts will and he can’t be his true self with anyone else either. THAT is what shows us that mike and will are the ones that need each other more than anything. they make each other feel loved and needed because they have a connection that no one else has and they understand each other better than anyone else.

and the thing about mike and will is that their relationship is NOT based upon emotional attachment because they saved each other’s lives or feel like they owe each other something. no, they found each other when they were both lonely and mike made the choice to walk up to will. he didn’t have to choose him, but he did. out of all the other kids in the playground, he chose will. he didn’t even know anything about him. he just saw himself in him, another lonely kid, and thought that he might need someone too. then they became close because they’re so similar to each other and share the same interests. it has nothing to do with idolising each other or being amazed by what the other can do. they’re just two regular boys that love each other for who they are. they found each other when they needed each other most, they stayed by each other’s side through all their struggles (being bullied and outcasted) and they played games together as an escape and distraction from the real world. they have known each other for most of their lives, understand each other better than anyone else and have a connection that no one else can replace. after all, mike did say that asking will to be his friend was the best thing he’s ever done.

anyways, moving on. the fact that mike and el are unable to make each other feel better about themselves without the help of will says a LOT… el’s letters and her constant affection wasn’t enough to convince mike she “needs” him. he was still insecure and couldn’t even tell her he loved her when she was sobbing. mike also couldn’t comfort el or make her feel better during the entire roller rink incident. he just triggered traumatic memories and made her feel like a monster, which she literally told him.

but then will, kind and selfless will, gave mike his beautiful painting that he worked so hard on and pretended it was commissioned by el. already, that’s gonna make mike think “wow, she cares about me so much and she was thinking of me so she went out of her way to ask will to paint this. she knows how important d&d is to me and she sees me as the leader and the heart of the group” or something like that, but the thing is, she didn’t say any of that. and mike should’ve realised it wasn’t from her because she literally mentioned in her letter that will was painting something for someone he likes but he won’t show her. also, i’ve never even seen el talk about d&d. does she even know how much it means to the boys? mike and el don’t have anything in common and haven’t even had a proper heart-to-heart conversation where they’re actually honest with each other. they barely even know each other.

anyways, will then gave his speech about the heart. this was a very big thing that gave mike strength and confidence. will literally told mike that he inspires all of them and that he’s the leader, and the heart can also be seen as a romantic symbol. mike still thinks this is coming from el and that she made all that up herself when she didn’t.

then will continues. and here’s where it gets confusing. it’s extremely weird that mike doesn’t pick up on the fact he’s not talking about el, because the words he says literally cannot be applied to el. it doesn’t make any sense.

“but… you make her feel like she’s not a mistake at all — like she’s better for being different.”

we already know this is false. and mike should too, considering his last conversation with her was their fight where she said “you think i’m a monster too.” not to mention all the times he’s been scared of her, yelled at her and triggered traumatic memories from the lab which parallel brenner (i still find it weird that mike has the most parallels with brenner in regards to the way he talks to el sometimes and how he only praises her for her powers and for being a “superhero” instead of who she actually is as a person. obviously mike and brenner are very different people, but it’s just weird how the show intentionally includes flashbacks of brenner whenever mike triggers el to show that’s who she’s thinking of).

even when mike was talking about her to will, he started with “she’s… special. she was born special”. that entire scene was only him talking about her powers, how she’s like superman, how it wasn’t fate or destiny but dumb luck that he stumbled on her in the woods (because he doesn’t believe in love at first sight and this has been clear since the beginning), and how he wants to be needed. he didn’t even mention the word “love”. he’s just worried about not being needed because he’s insecure about himself. the entire thing feels weird. their whole relationship just screams “two kids that saved each other’s lives during a traumatic time and are emotionally attached to each other and feel like they’re stuck in a romantic relationship because that’s all they’ve known since they rushed into it and kissed when they were 12 years old after 6 days of knowing each other”, and it’s really sad.

even though they didn’t start technically dating until season 3, romance was already pushed onto them the moment mike kissed her in season 1. it’s like he already decided what their relationship was going to be even though el couldn’t communicate at the same level as him and didn’t know what romance was. they had no time to develop a friendship first. they barely even knew each other. even now, they still don’t. they don’t have anything in common, they don’t feel like equals (both of them admitted this), they don’t understand each other, they don’t make each other feel better about themselves, they don’t have heart-to-heart conversations, there’s no trust and honesty, they always lie to each other, they pretend to be people they’re not and they can’t even be themselves with each other.

it’s also very interesting that this line from mike was cut from the final scene.

“she’s already beginning to understand she doesn’t need me. i saw it — i saw it in her eyes, that last time we talked.”

like, wow. even mike knows that el doesn’t actually need him. that’s why he’s so insecure. and that’s why it makes will’s monologue even more frustrating and heartbreaking because he tried fixing their relationship when he didn’t have to. they were probably ready to break up (which would’ve been better for both of them) if it weren’t for will pushing them back together. and isn’t it crazy that he pushed them back together by lying? something that all the characters don’t like? the iconic phrase “friends don’t lie” has been a part of the show since the beginning.

that’s why they have to come back and address this scene. they can’t just let mike and el stay together because of will’s lies that “fixed” their relationship (it didn’t actually fix anything because mike and el didn’t even communicate at all. i don’t think they’ve ever actually resolved their issues properly) and they can’t let mike not find out that the painting and monologue was from will because it was such an important scene. there are too many lies going on here and they can’t just leave it like that. but anyways, it hurts so much seeing will try to fix their relationship by sacrificing his own feelings and disguising them as el’s. will was clearly heartbroken too, but he just wanted to do what he could to make the people he loves happy. he didn’t want them to be sad. he’s the most kind and selfless person in this entire show.

anyways, back to will’s monologue.

“and that gives her the courage to fight on.”

again, that can’t be applied to el. the last time mike was alone with her, they were fighting and she was having a breakdown in front of him. he wasn’t giving her courage, he was hurting her. obviously he wasn’t trying to do that, but he was. and i’m not saying he’s never given her courage, because of course he has, but i’m specifically talking about the last moment they had together before she left to go with owens. the way he spoke to her and stared at her at the roller rink, the way he triggered a traumatic memory from brenner when he said “what did you do?”, the way he didn’t comfort her or talk to her after it, the way he made a sarcastic comment and made her leave the dinner table, the way he gaslighted her and called her ridiculous for confronting him about their issues (see, no honest communication), the way he couldn’t even tell her he loved her when she was practically begging.

like he said above, “she’s already beginning to understand she doesn’t need me. i saw it — i saw it in her eyes, that last time we talked”. he’s literally aware of how she felt in that scene and he admitted it. so how does he believe will when he said he gives her the courage to fight on? mike knows el made the decision to leave with owens as well even though she might not ever see him again. she even sent him a letter saying “from, el” because she felt defeated and lonely and he wasn’t giving her the love she wanted. she also knew that saving her friends in danger was more important than her relationship issues with mike, and she thought getting her powers back might make her feel worth something at least since mike was no help. she was already insecure about not having her powers since that’s all mike talked about anyways.

“and if she was mean to you or — or she seemed like she was pushing you away — it’s probably just because she was scared of losing you, just like you’re scared of losing her.”

another line that can’t be applied to el because she wasn’t “mean” to mike and never pushed him away. she constantly sent him letters. they were communicating the entire time. mike even saw the shrine she made for him in his room, so obviously he knows how much effort she’s been putting into their relationship.

the only person that was “mean” to mike and pushed him away was will. we know this because they lost contact. they literally argued about it. “maybe you should’ve reached out more, i don’t know”, was what mike said to will. and obviously will remembered that and he saw how hurt mike looked. so will was trying to apologise for that and let him know the truth about why he pushed him away (but obviously he disguised it as el… ugh mike how are you not putting it together??).

then the line “it’s probably just because she’s scared of losing you, just like you’re scared of losing her” is literally a parallel to mike and will’s conversation in 4x04. will is responding to what mike told him about being scared of losing him. mike said “it’s hawkins. it’s not the same without you” and “maybe i felt like i lost you or something”. these lines can only be applied to mike and will.

“because losing you — it just hurts — it hurts too much.”

this line is absolutely heartbreaking because it tells us how much will is hurting. the thought of losing his safe place, his best friend and the boy he’s in love with is so incredibly painful for him. why would they put him through all of this pain and make him be in love with mike from the beginning if they were just going to make it unrequited? like they said, it hurts too much. not just a little bit, but TOO MUCH. and after everything will has been through and how he’s been abused, bullied, kidnapped, possessed, traumatised, excluded and lonely his entire life, how can they make him suffer even more? that’s so cruel and unnecessary and they’ll get so much backlash for using will’s feelings as a plot device just to force another ship back together while leaving him heartbroken. also, how can this line be applied to el anyways? she chose to go with owens even though she was warned she might not ever see mike again. she even sent him a letter saying “from, el” which symbolised her being done with him. the “love” was no longer there (literally and metaphorically, in regards to the romantic aspect of their relationship). she already lost mike. she made her decision.

“so yeah — el needs you, mike. and she always will.”

mike takes this all in. emotional now too.

mike wants to be needed the way that will needs him. will’s painting and the words he said made mike emotional because no one else has ever made him feel that way. no one else has ever given him that much strength and confidence about himself.

“you really think so?”

“i know so.”

once again, mike is asking will for reassurance, because will is the only person he feels completely safe with. he’s the only person he fully trusts, the only person he can confide in, the only person he can be vulnerable with. mike and will have the closest relationship and understand each other better than anyone else. that’s why mike can only believe things when it comes from will.

the fact that will is the person that made mike happy and is the only reason why mike ended up saying his monologue to el is exactly why season 5 needs to come back to this scene and address everything. they cannot just use will’s painting and feelings for mike as a plot device for another ship. he cannot be the couple’s therapist that fixes their problems when they can’t even do that themselves. that’s just insulting to his character and it’s wrong for so many reasons. mike has to find out the painting was from will. he has to find out that will was confessing his own feelings the entire time too. all of this came from will. he put so much effort into that painting for mike and he meant every word he said. will needs mike. he’ll always need mike. and mike needs will too even if he doesn’t realise it yet. mike wants to be needed the way will needs him. he wants to be loved the way will loves him. he wants to be seen as the leader and the heart the way will sees him as the leader and the heart.

mike and will need each other more than anything and they have to finally realise that in season 5.

#byler #mike wheeler #will byers #stranger things #byler analysis #i’ve already spoken about most of this but there were some new hidden lines i had to discuss lol

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fuckmeupjackson · 1 year

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The echoing effect of misunderstandings in Byler's relationship s4 is cool, also could it be a romeo juliet parallel??

Anyone else feel like the romeo and juliet metaphor could kind of a little. bit actually apply to byler s4? I mean I don't fully remember the book at all but... ( skip to the paragraph directly after the numbered list if it's too much to read or if you want to get to the point faster)......

1. At the start of s4, Will doesn't completely know whether or not Mike is still interested in talking to him, given that they didn't fully resolve their s3 conflict and he might still feel betrayed by Mike, so he waits for Mike to make the first move by calling him first when he moves to Lenora. Will doesn't get the calls, which he doesn't know is actually because of Joyce's telemarketing job, so he mistakenly thinks Mike's uninterested. So Will continues not to call him still.

2. Mike doesn't get called by Will despite all of his unseen attempts. Next thing Mike knows he's getting a letter from El suggesting Will might be interested in a GIRL! What a betrayal after all this time of no communication from Will, all the desperate attempts with no success! Mike is so hurt and probably a little confused about his feelings and where he stands with Will.

3. Mike doesn't want to get more hurt. So when he goes to visit him in California he acts like he couldn't possibly give a fuck about anything he does (or paints). He acts like he doesn't see him lingering behind him and El meanwhile he's the only one he's got his eye on all that ttime.

4. Will is clearly offended by Mike's (faked) aloofness and carelessness, but tries to play it off so he doesn't make a fool of himself and make the pain of rejection even worse. So he stays silent and yet again, doesn't talk to Mike thinking Mike doesn't want to talk to him. He's still confused, and has pent up anger+ frustration. Mike is also confused still. And has pent up hurt.

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I have no idea if this is gonna make any sense, but it's kind of like the romeo and juliet "i thought you died so i killed myself, then you woke up and killed yourself seeing that I was dead" except it's "i thought you didn't want anything to do with me so I didn't talk to you, then you genuinely became offended and didn't want to talk to me either" and Will and Mike both do this to each other repeatedly, actually they do it like double the amount of times R & J do it.

Also the reason Juliet pretended to be dead was so that Romeo could come visit her and she didn't have to marry that other guy. You could say that Will doesn't call Mike thinking Mike will call him, but Mike just ends up getting hurt by it, kind of like how Romeo (Mike) doesn't get his happy ending with Juliet (Will) because he takes her fake death (silence) too seriously (not knowing what her plan was? or maybe he did idk) and kills himself too (feels extremely hurt+ ignores Will at the airport/is silent too). Does that check out? I have no idea xddd.

thanks for reading <3 back to homework I go ahhh

*****OH WAIT AND IT HAPPENS AGAIN WITH THE LOVE CONFESSIONS

Mike is the one leading on the idea that he doesn't love Will (like juliet pretending she isn't alive) so that he doesn't have to confess, but Will takes it as a sign to push El and Mike together (a version of his own death) but then it's echoed even further by Mike confessing his love for El (which is also a form of his own death bc it's him lying to preserve his relationship with El, like Juliet pretending to be dead... actually idk where I'm going with this but whatever i detail it below if you want to keep reading it)

Van SCene:

Will thinks Mike loves El even though all Mike does is vent about how dysfunctional their relationship is. But being the poor selfless boy he is, Will does it... he tells Mike that El will ALWAYS love him and Mike and El DESERVE to be together forever, they belong together! At least that's what he implies. But Will decides to communicate this through his OWN veiled love confession, ouch.... pouring his deepest love into a river that's rapidly flowing in the worst direction, and he'll never see it again.... this hurts so bad, it feels like he's killing himself, poisoning his heart. He looks to the window for an escape. But here's Mike being, per Finn's words, "CLUELESS," and taking this as a sign that Will genuinely thinks he should be with El, that Mike telling her he loves her is the RIGHT thing to do.. and also, why would Will tell him these things if Will was in love with him? Couldn't be possible... (the parallel being romeo thinking juliet is dead /// mike thinking will's love for him isn't real. But actually it goes even further than that for byler bc will only said all of this because he thought mike didn't love him first and it's like an infinite story/parallel when you trace it back of misunderstandings and false assumptions like when you hold up a mirror to another mirror and wow it's confusing sorryy).

They go to save her...

Pizza Shop:

El is struggling in Vecna's mind, and Will commits his second metaphorical suicide (or a continuation of the first one) thinking it will save her, he grabs his friend's shoulder and says "you're the heart, mike!" as he gives his own heart away to Mike and his relationship with El. Mike honestlyy looked genuinely confused as hell at this part which kinda cracked me up, but he turns and... he gives his heart to El... he says "I love you, El!" Will's pained face is seen (El's is too but that's for another time). But we can only imagine... Mike feels like he's dying inside. This is Mike's metaphorical suicide? Maybe? He thought Will didn't love him so he goes and tries to give his love to someone else, even though it's probably Will that he truly loves. But here he goes suppressing it just as always. He must be feeling crazy honestly because he's lying for El to survive thinking it's what she wants to hear, he's lying to appease Will, he's lying to uphold what he thinks society/everyone else expects of him... i feel like at some point he can't help but wonder if there's any reason why he should tell the truth, if there's anyone to reveal his true feelings to that wants to hear them... anyways....

They crossed out their hearts for each other because they couldn't see the reality of their love. Mike couldn't see that Will's heart was still alive and beating for him, and only for him, and Will couldn't see how alive Mike's heart was when he was with him, they couldn't SEE that their hearts only beat for each other! They're emotionally killing themselves, and EL, by not being truthfullllll with each otherrrrrr

Either way though the writers were supperrr smart to have this sort of echo or domino effect where one lies or hides from another, or at the very least there is a misconception about each other and it keeps going back and forth where they assume things about each other, and then they react in a way that causes them to hurt one another even more until they're both fully convinced that they couldn't possibly be in love with each other.

It's cool.

ok idk im done being delusional and rambling, analyzing potential parallels that don't really help me predict anything for season 5 goodbye and thanks heehee

anyone has any thoughts confusions or disagreements feel free to tell me!!!

#byler #byler parallels #???#this is a MESS im so sorry to whoever read that #also this does not necessarily imply that byler would be fated for a bad ending like r and j are #especially since we still have s5 where obviously they will have this conflict resolved it being will -centric and all #it just shows the state of misunderstanding they are at right now #like almost every other character in the show this season their relationship is at a low due to not speaking their truths to each other #at a low due to illusions #it doesn't mean the relationship is bad or hopeless #i just read my post again and is this really what my mind is like jesus christ IM A MESS??!?!!?!#sorry thanks if there is a sINGLE person out there who read most or all of this haha you're a true chhaaaammppp

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sunsetserenade · 2 years

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what is your ideal love confession scenario between mike and will?

oooooh… i haven’t really thought this through before!

im thinking i want it to sort of be gradual… if that makes sense. i want them to slowly both realize during the course of season 4 that they’re in love with each other, enough that we as an audience can tell that’s what’s happening.

i can’t decide whether i want mike to confess or will to confess… there are advantages and drawbacks for both.

but... here’s what i want to happen: [warning: this got a lot angstier than I thought it would be akdjksjd. sorry. and also a lot longer. I’ll put it under a cut!]

hiya so this accidentally turned into. sort of a ficlet i guess. enjoy?

tensions been building up. it starts with little moments; mike catches himself staring at will a little too often. will catches his gaze a couple times, but they turn away in sync. will blushes; mike wonders why he keeps looking in the first place.

and then, in moments of panic, mike keeps reaching for will’s hand. and every time, he’s shocked when will’s hand is already there, reaching for him too.

over the course of the season, we see them get closer. glued at the hip; where one goes, the other follows soon.

but then they get separated. by what or how, i have no clue; but… as terrifying as it would be, i want there to be a near death experience. (i say is if there hasn’t been multiple near death experiences already). i want mike to see will at deaths door for himself. sorry </3 but! here’s why:

i want it to be a life-flashing-before-your-eyes moment for mike.

i want mike to realize, in that moment where time seems to stand still, that if he lost will for good… there would be no such thing as moving on. he realizes before it happens that the hole that would be left where his heart should be is bigger and more painful than the wound of a late friend.

…like how it was in season one, when mike thought will was dead. but this time, mike is there. mike sees it as it happens and can’t move a muscle. maybe he’s injured, maybe he’s been immobilized by something. but all he can do is watch.

el comes to the rescue like the badass she is, but at this point, will is still gravely injured. (poor kid can’t get a break. #givewillabreak2022). once mike can move again, he crawls over to will as fast as he can. he shakes will awake, holding him in his arms, feeling his pulse. will wakes up and mike heaves a sigh of relief. maybe some tears are shed when mike begins talking. “I thought i lost you, i thought that was it…” and will, being as selfless as he is, would weakly gesture to a wound on mikes face, asking if he was okay. mike would tell him to “stop worrying about me, this is about you.” he’s still talking, still pouring out his heart, finishing it with “i can’t do this without you…”

“do what?” will would ask, dazed, exhausted.

“live.” It’s an answer and a request. “i love you, will.”

will is shocked, from both the injuries and the confession, but his hand finds its way to mikes, and he finds mikes eyes, holding the gaze with no reservations now. “i love you, too. i love you, too.”

mike pulls will into a bone crushing hug, injuries be damned. they’ve got enough adrenaline to feel weightless and pain free.

over will’s shoulder, mike sees el standing not too far away. she’s looking at him, a tear rolling down her cheek. but she isn’t sad. she gives mike a watery smile. she nods at mike, putting as much sincerity as she can into the motion. she gets it now; what it means to love.

mike smiles at her, a twinge in his heart for a first love now faded. but they both know it now; love is surprising, terrifying, and found in the most unexpected places. it grows, changes. it’s one of the universe’s many mysteries.

together, they unveiled the surface. but they smile at each other now, knowing the answers to love that lie beneath its surface is different for both of them, found elsewhere.

there’s nothing more strange than love, is there?

whoops. i didn’t mean to get sidetracked there but my fingers started typing and i had to obey. my bad?

thanks for the ask!! <3

#ah… I should write a fic for them one day…#I’ve been juggling around a couple from a different fandom so I don’t wanna add more to my plate but… I’m tempted… thoughts?#…damn… I really wanna turn this into an actual fic now. whoops?#byler #mage’s asks #bylerbrainrot #i do wonder if this would actually be the other way around #in which mike is at death’s door and Will can only watch #it would line up with Noah saying his next saddest scene was in season 4… but I like what I’ve written akdjksjd

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binniesthighs · 3 years

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hi hi cuties and thigh enthusiasts!! just about a day ago my lil blog full of hornies and changbin thirst reached 1,500 and i am just jaflkjasd :’) since then haha

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having this blog has been such a wonderful experience, from learning about myself as a writer, exploring the many, many hornies that i’ve got, and most of all, meeting all of the freakin’ fantastic individuals in this community! ~thank you to each and every one of you for being the sweetest, loveliest, most hilarious and welcoming people i could ever wish to meet and have the honor of getting to know and write for!~

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@bearseungmin ~ hehe dawn i think that you might be one of my oldest moots on this list! ever since i started out here in this lil corner on the internet, you have been the most supportive, sweet individual there is to me and I can’t say thank you enough! i’m also like, highkey obsessed with everything you write hehehe

@binniesbrat ~ oh my gosh té , hehe lol i will bring this up over and over again bc i’m just so ah ah it makes me melt but fun fact hehe back when i was babybinniesthighs, té reached out to me, and made me felt like i belonged--i literally lysm! your hornies are fantastic my dear, we are so lucky to have you here!

@bruh-changbin ~ dear sky, while we’ve only talked a little in asks, i wanted to express how very dear you are to me! hehe when i update and you hype me up it literally makes my whole frickin’ day! you keep me going! not to mention that your writing is *chef’s kiss* teehee

@bubblelixie ~ ah! kc! we’ve also been moots for a good while, i think back when i was babybinniesthighs too! hehe your overwhelming love and support of me makes my heart frickin’ swell and seeing you in my notifs and my asks with hornies makes me feel so dang fuzzy! you are quite literally one of the most adorable cuties on here! your writing also just *knocks me out* OOF

@chaangbin ~ ours is quite the story dear hazel bean...meaning....i was like, the biggest, nerdiest fangirl of your work for quite some time and very very shy to tell you that it was me ahhhhh haha well here i am ooP your writing is so beautiful and human and immersive in so many ways! i’m crazy lucky to be moots and friends with ya! omg if i say more i will literally embarrass the heck out of myself hahahhaha

@decembermoonskz ~ beautiful izzy, you are such, and i mean such an inspiration to me. the way that you write is so gorgeous and i feel as if i’m in every scene. the way that you create worlds and place your readers in them is frickin’ insane! hehe i love obsessing with ya over chan any day and night! keep goin’!

@dom--minnie ~ len, when i think of comfort, i really think of you. the way that i feel so safe with ya is like, insane. even when we first started chattin’ i just knew that we had an amazin’ thing coming hehe. from horny rambles to literally just talkin’ bout life, i am absurdly lucky to have met you here! you literally deserve everything wonderful in life and i love ya so much!

@etherealeeknow ~ gah gen, my dear, the way that you checked up with me over my lil break just huhuhu thank you so much for being such a lovely and caring person towards me and everyone else whom you meet! you are so precious and i hope ya never forget that!

@fight-me-m8 ~ darling and sweet rosetta, FRICK literally when i think of you oh my gosh i get the fuzzies, i’m so happy that we met and that i was able to witness the beginnings of your account! you have so so much love to give and i will fight you and give you more love back. bb i’m so happy to have you as a moot!

@film-in-my-soul ~ alex! hehe while our friendship is still in the bb stages, i wanted to throw some love your way too!! i’m so hyped to write with you in the future and talk even more! i love how fast we clicked when we started talking about BLs AHA darlin’ you are so sweet and i can’t wait to get to know ya more!

@formidxble ~ kim oh my god, you are a frickin’ force. when you entered this community a lil bit ago, and then made it your own, sharing with us your beautiful brain and lovely kindness, i swear the world must’ve taken a breath or something LOL you always astonish me with your works and i’m literally so excited for what the future holds for you!

@hanflix ~ i think that i speak for so many of us here that rue, you are truly an inspiration. back when i was starting out and even now, reading your works feels like such a treat and i try to savor them all up! as a writer, i look up to you so much and as a wonderful, humble and hardworking person i look up to you as well!! thank you so much for welcoming me when i was babybinniesthighs ilsym!

@hongnanglen-arina ~ arina my fuckin’ love oh my god if i could fly to where you are i frickin’ would!! i really think that the universe did a lil somethin’ somethin’ allowing us to meet. i feel so comfortable with you talkin’ about anything and everything especially hornies they are fkn’ unbridled. i can’t count how many times you’ve made me topple with laugher at like 3am. i’m so happy to have you in my life!

@hyunsluvv ~ kathy istg you are one of the sweetest people i have had the pleasure of meeting on this lil corner of the internet! the care and love that you give to each of your anons, moots and in your work is truly astounding. i remember when you were just starting out i knew that big things were in store for you, and they still are! hehe

@imagineinnie ~ el, you are literally an angel if i have ever met one. it means the whole world to me when i see your dms, and the way that you check up on me and so many others goes to show the utter kindness and selflessness that you exhibit. cutie, thank you so much for always cheering me on and being such a light in this community!!

@instachans ~ kenny, although we’ve just met, i’m already so excited for our friendship to come! you are such an angel and have so much love to give, i’m so thankful that you slide into my asks hehe the future holds such amazing things for you!

@itsapapisongo ~ javi, my dear, there’s just somethin’ about us that flows like frickin’ water. i feel like there’s the people that you meet in life that you kind of just click with, and i’m immensely grateful that i’ve met you. your love, support, hornies and lethal timing with gifs keeps me smiling. you are an astonishing writer and i feel so lucky to be here with you!

@jisungsplatforms ~ sweet ina hehe i’m so glad that ya slid into my asks the day that you did! your vibes are so sweet and peaceful and i feel as if you and your account are such a safe place! i love, love sharing hornies with you over our boys! there is so much ahead for you my dear and i can’t wait!!!

@mochinnie ~ omg i’ve totally said this before so many times, but i am so, so wowed by your work isa and they stick with me for like days after i read your pieces! i am so utterly inspired by you! i love your blog’s aesthetic and how you are always truthfully yourself i admire this so much! when i was starting out your works kept me goin’! thank you so much for this hehe

@mzmezzler ~ ryan you literally deserve the whole world! not to mention that you are doing god’s work writing sub!skz! sweets, each of your pieces are so wonderful and imaginative and your lil memes and thoughts are so cute! please always keep doing you!!

@ohmysparkle ~ sparkle: oh my gosh where can i start??? you are one fkn’ badass sparklin’ cat and my freakin’ role model. every day i am so astonished over how well spoken, wise, and reasonable you are while also being off the walls unapologetically yourself. my dear plz always shout with me about sub!hyunjin teehee

@seungmoomin ~ nia big sexy brain!! holy shit the fkn talent in this bus? astronomical! nia i am absoluately WEAK over your writings and highkey you as a person over all! i swear, your blog is a gold mine and your personality is so wonderful i can’t put it into words LOL there’s no one quite like you and i can’t even count how many times you’ve got me dying laughing here ily!!

@yourdaddychan ~ LUNA my queen of capitalization and screaming in dms, you add a spice to my life that i didn’t know was missing. talking to you in every format is fkn fantastic and lights up my day no matter how gloomy its been. i really feel like this is your world and i’m just livin’ in it LOL I LOVE YEW

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@introjoonie ~ mai, this account would literally not be in existence if not for you, and it’s provided me with such happiness over these few months! thank you so much for encouraging me to let my hornies to the wind, and for listening to all my rambles about it since. thank you so much for being a lovely best friend, cheerleader and person. i’ll be seeing you soon!

@jeonglixie, @lechanters, @inlovewithasa, @pixxie-lixxie ~ my loves there is something so, so beautiful about each and every one of you, i cannot thank you enough for reading my works and for being so overwhelmingly supportive and kind with your feedback time and again. i’m so blessed to have such wonderful readers such as you! my time here on tumblr has been made by you and so many others of my unbelievably sweet readers!

@lovesfaith ~ ahh tumblr is being rude not letting me tag ya but sweets i just wanted to thank you so much for your kindness too! i adore talking with ya about astrology n’ just life and the way that you read me like a book is CRAZY haha thank you for being you Bambi!

@meow-minho ~ marine, every time that i see you on tumblr i am so thankful for your grace, and just lovely welcoming vibes. i am so thankful to have such a lovely person as you in my life and i can’t express how much me (and i’m sure so many other writers on here) appreciate your feedback. thank you so much!

@synnocence ~ wonderful cee, since first meeting you i feel like i’ve had the pleasure of getting to know such a wonderful human and equally amazin’ fellow bin stan! i can’t thank you enough for how much you’ve helped me grow my bin collection! dm-ing with you is always such a joy and you deserve the frickin’ world my friend!!

once again, thank you so much for poppin by and giving me a read, an ask, a dm or simply just sending bin pics my way hehe

i hope to write much more in the future and to lash out with all the hornies that i’ve got! i can’t wait to share more with you all! thank you so much for being my motivation, as well as seggsy ass cuties who i am so lucky to share this space with!!

have you thought about changbin’s thighs today yet? well...now you have 😉

#binniesthighs #uglycries #milestone hehe #Ro loves you so! much!#thank yo so much!!!

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could you make a post talking about byler's ""unhealthy"" relationship?? wanted your opinion on this, people say that byler wouldn’t be a good relationship for will, because of the fight and because of mike’s “joking” from “it’s not my fault you don’t like girls”, in my view, whoever says that is practically saying that mike is toxic, as if he is not healthy, or as if byler's friendship was not good and healthy, so...

The way I see it, there’s two groups of people who would say something like that: people who don’t like Mike and people who want Mike with El. I don’t really see how people can look at Mike and Will and call it unhealthy. I haven’t personally read any well-written arguments from those people, though. If all they have to go on is this one fight Mike and Will had, then they’re grasping at straws. Their relationship is easily the best that we’ve seen on the show, regardless of whether there’s any romantic element to it. There’s a vocal group of people out there who don’t like Mike. It’s sad, especially when you consider how much that boy has been through. Yes, he was already somewhat snarky and stubborn from the beginning, but he was also kind, brave, and selfless. He’s experienced quite a lot of trauma in the past couple of years. If I’m right that he’s also experiencing a sexuality crisis, then he’s also dealing with a lot of inner turmoil. His behavior in season 3 seemed like a lot of work to make himself seem like a cool, normal teenager. He was overcompensating, and it turned him into, well, a jerk. He starts to come down from this behavior after his fight with Will, and we start to see more of the real Mike as the season continues.

Mike is a flawed, but ultimately good, character. He’s a kid going through more than any kid should be expected to. The fact that he isn’t dealing with it well shouldn’t be a reason to condemn him. At his core, Mike is a caring, loyal, brave, determined (read: stubborn), and intelligent nerd. Nobody brings out the best in Mike like Will does, and nobody can get Mike to realize he’s being a d-bag like Will can. Mike and Will’s relationship is defined by trust and love. They’ve talked to each other about things they refused to share with anyone else. They both know the other cares about them too much to betray that trust. They are each other’s safe space.

We know Mike hates apologizing, as he begrudgingly apologized to Lucas in season 1 and waited for El to apologize to him in season 3, but he was ready to apologize to Will moments after their fight. He knew he hurt Will badly right away, and he went to go find him to apologize. This is not typical of Mike. He usually needs time to accept that he was in the wrong.

The only negative I can think of with Mike and Will’s relationship is maybe that Will doesn’t speak up enough. Mike does seem shocked at Will’s outburst, suggesting that it’s not something that’s ever happened before. Then again, the entire fight came across as something that probably hasn’t ever happened before. They both seem surprised at each other’s behavior during it. As sad as it is, the fight is something that probably needed to happen. There was a lot in their relationship that was being taken for granted, and the fight brought it all out into the open. This allowed them to get past it.

I’m still frustrated that we never saw any real apology. I like to think there was one, but it either happened off screen or in a cut scene. It’s hard to believe that Mike would be that determined to apologize to Will and make up with him, only to not even do it once he got to him. Yes, Will dropped the Mind Flayer bomb on him. This may have made Mike more concerned about Will’s well-being over apologizing at that moment.

I suppose it’s possible that after everything that happened Mike may have just forgotten he never apologized. He tried to, he wanted to, but everything shifted into high gear before he had the chance. Will also may have chosen to just not bring it up again. Still, there were three months between the Battle of Starcourt and the Byers leaving Hawkins. I’d love to know what happened in that time. I hope they filmed some scenes to be used as flashbacks. Still, their final scene together makes it seem like a lot was left unsaid between Mike and Will, as if they both were afraid of having the conversation.

When Mike and Will were saying goodbye to each other, Mike’s demeanor and word choice showed that he was afraid of Will moving on from him. He was very nervous, unsure, and cautious. He was very vulnerable. He was giving Will every opportunity to rip his heart out just so he could know if Will would still want to be his friend. Mike knew he screwed up, and he was scared Will would use this opportunity to replace him. Will replies by letting Mike know that he had every intention of returning to him and that he could never replace Mike. I don’t know if this was meant to be the apology, but it did seem to put both their minds and hearts at ease.

Regardless, you don’t act like that with someone without a strong existing relationship. They bring out the best in each other. The idea that their relationship was so strong was supposed to be why their fight in season 3 was so sad. It was meant to seem wrong, jarring, as if they somehow fell out of step with each other. Contrast that with Mike and El (which I only do as a point of comparison), where their relationship is what seemed jarring and off, and their fight and breakup seemed comical. People in good relationships will still fight now and then, but the difference is that both people involved will feel bad about it. People in bad relationships will, instead, argue over who was right or who won. Mike and Will were in the former, not the latter. They have a good relationship.

TLDR: Screw those people. Mike and Will love each other, at least platonically, if not romantically.

#stranger things #byler #mike wheeler #will byers

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