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I saw this post by @anarchist-luke and I just wanted to add on. And decided it would be best as a post than a reblog.
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Disclaimer, no where in my post and my claiming this is a “privilege” of hypervisibility but rather simply “anti-transmasculinity” or whatever you would like to call it.
Yes I do think this is the case every time violence against transmacs is reported. Reports like this are CONSTANTLY given less attention because the queer community tends to respond to it less. This is directly tied to our framing as the "less oppressed trans group".
This assumption automatically makes our problems not seen as a priority. You would think it would be easy to change this attitude within the community right? Just show them a couple of articles and BOOM we've proven them wrong right? No. And you know why? It's because we are framed as "the less attacked group" BUT NOT the "the group who never ever ever attacked", so even if I DID bring up even 100 articles! This perspective already has a quick an easy excuse. And what’s that excuse? That It's a fluke of the norm, an outlier, a "rare occurrence". Because when you constantly perpetuate rhetoric that transmascs are not attacked as much and you see it happen, yeah, it'll definitely feel like a fluke. "Everytime a transmasc gets attacked, it MUST be a rare occurence because according to my understanding of how trans oppression works, that's all violence against transmacs will ever be". Quite easy to brush aside no?
Nobody actually admits they're actively or even possibly subconciously ignoring violence against trans men, but it very much shows. You never see as much support for transmascs crowdfunds on twitter or as much likes and interactions for tweet discussing a situation where a transmasc is attacked. it's because again, WE ARE NOT SEEN AS AN EQUAL PRIORITY. And when you ignore these types of reports, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Yes, silence is in fact violence.
And you know what makes this worse?It's that BECAUSE people do not bring attention to these stories and reports due their predetermined assumptions, the one time a report slips in your bubble, IT REALLY DOES FEEL LIKE FLUKE! because they never hear about it!
I keep thinking that that the one big situation where the community as a whole paid attention when transmasc was attacked was about the one where a trans man was attacked after being forced to use the women's restroom. And I can't help noticing that the one time everyone gives a shit is the one where it gets immediately mislabeled as "trans man who was assumed to be a trans woman gets attacked!!!" when no where in the original article was that mentioned....
I don't think it's the individuals themselves seeing post about transmawcs and going "no I don't care about trans men so I will intentionally ignore this" but rather the attitude of the queer community has towards transmascs created this problem. This is not an individual problem about a community problem. And because of this, every time a queer person sees some terrible situation happening to a trans man, instead of giving it's deserved sympathy and attention, it will always be "well at least it's not a trans woman".
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Holy fucking shit queer people really fucking hate masculinity
Like, I know anyone following me has seen me talk about this shit but fuck
This queer movie review podcast is talking about 70s glam rock fashion (a favorite of mine) and the one host says "an effeminate man is his true self, because masculinity is fake, the only way to be real is to be feminine"
Like, what the fuck? First of all, way to discount generations of queer people, and displays of queer masculinity, great job. Second, tell me you've never spoken to a trans man or a butch or literally anyone who's ever been forced into a feminine social role or feminine presentation without telling me.
I hate how pervasive this attitude is. I hate how it makes it uncomfortable, at best, to exist in queer spaces as someone who is not, can not, and does not want to be sufficiently feminine.
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cock-holliday · 10 months
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A lot of trans spaces hate masculinity soo bad it’s unreal. I knew an AMAB nonbinary person who, to those who had never done the gender rodeo before, looked strikingly like a cis man. They were big, broad, with a thick scruffy beard. They dressed masculinely. It was clear by talking to them for even a second that their masculinity was incredibly queer, but to most people they wouldn’t read that way, even with pronoun pins displayed proudly on their chest.
They described themself as “soft masc” and their gender felt very similar to me to so many butches I had met. They toyed with the label themself. Their attraction to women fell under a pretty sapphic umbrella and in plenty of cases were welcomed by queer women, trans and cis alike.
But often they felt more comfortable in transmasc spaces because, as was apparently a cardinal sin in many transfemme spaces, they liked their masculinity.
They got accused of faking being trans. They were implied to be stealing space from trans women. And then accused by wlws of being a predatory cis man invading space to get to women. They constantly had to walk a narrow path to not be seen as something sinister because they weren’t feminine.
Because masculine is seen as equivalent to “man” and “man” is bad. It’s predatory and violent only ever and always.
And over and over and over and over again anti-masculinity folks claim that this stance protects women and transfemmes. But you are never ever ever going to be normal about “women and nonbinary folx” if you hate masculinity so bad! You will never be normal about butches. You will never be normal about transmascs. And you will never be normal about ANYONE who is AMAB. Even the feminine ones.
A trans woman who is a masc lesbian is going to be a predator to you. A trans woman who doesn’t pass well enough for you is going to be a predator to you. A trans woman who LIKES her masculinity or masculine features is always gonna be a faker trying to evilly sneak into your sacred spaces.
Cis women for sure push this shitty narrative, as do trans men and transmascs who think they’re falling on their sword for Women™️ to atone for the sin of being masculine or worse, men; but oof so do trans women and transfemmes who think policing binary gender conformity will protect them.
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madamepestilence · 1 year
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Massive Anti-Trans Blocklist
Hi! One of my friends accidentally rb’d from a TERF and I ended up in a giant rabbit hole of anti-trans accounts. Here they are so you can go block them! They’re in no particular order, and this certainly doesn’t encapsulate all of them, but I sure did run into a lot.
riverxdaughter
battlefemme
magnetictapedatastorage
female-malice
starinyourhand
omgitsburning
feministfairy
lez0mbie
apostasy-is-ectasy
overt-menstruation
gatekeeper-of-witchcraft
gender-critical-analytical
rad-by-nature
deadlysunlight
rad-octopus
permutational
thecoloredcanvas
sappho-the-witch
artemis-howl
shedwarf
menalez
spookyradluka
basedandradpilled
radfeminist-suggestions
coochiequeens
joannerowling
feministclassicist
capybarad
bezoarcureforpoison
blackswallowtailbutterfly
madolecence
shes-unforgettable
radgritty
destielterf
chadradfem
sweetlyobsessing
apple-pie-42
femmegoddess-hecate
prinzessintor
butchviking
oracle-cassandra
sartbismus
nansheonearth
cisthoughtcrime
friendlymathematician
bumblee-stumblee
femmesandhoney
kiefbowl
kronkk
radmoonpriestess
balkanradfem
vulvasaur
Feel free to add more. Happy blocking! I made sure not to tag any of these accounts so there’s less chance of people rb’ing being harrassed.
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spitblaze · 1 year
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I will say this once because I'm tired of seeing stupid discourse: anti-transmasculinity is not about being treated bad because we clock as men, it's about being treated as stupid little girls because transphobes think we've been tricked into this.
It's kind of the opposite of transmisogyny- instead of fear and revulsion, it's constant condescension, the implications that we've been whisked away from femininity by scary bad guys, that we're going to cause 'irreparable damage' because we don't know what's best for ourselves, somehow. People fearmonger a lot about the "ugliness" of transfem people, but for transmasc people that 'ugliness' is used as a warning- you'll look like THIS! You'll go BALD! Your top surgery scars will leave you MUTILATED! A lot of aesthetic concerns. Worry about our 'beauty'. Because it comes from that same stupid reactionary 'we gotta SAVE the WOMEN' shit, but this time they have to save them from getting 'stolen away', as if we're being seduced or pressured into this. As if we can't make our own decisions.
For TERFS specifically, they're losing one of their own. We're 'gender traitors', willingly aligning ourselves with the half of the population they consider unilaterally dangerous and evil.
We aren't REALLY trans, we just want the benefits that men get. You don't actually want to transition, you're just trying to avoid misogyny.
You aren't actually a man, you're just a self-loathing lesbian.
Why can't you just be a butch girl? Why can't you just be a tomboy?
Why can't you just be something that I don't think is icky?
Anyway. Like all things, it boils down to misogyny. Women stupid and gentle, dont know what best for them, evil men trick into taking man juice, must save because lady stupid and dont know what best for them (having babies and being Feminine).
Theres like. Obviously more to this but I'm just a Transmasc Rando explaining this from my perspective, and I'm not the best with words. Anyone is free to hop in and add on to this
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unhinged-transmasc-man · 11 months
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(This is a very long post, but worth reading)
Being a trans man is bizarre. Because you grow up being treated as a girl and sexualized as one, mocked and diminished and dismissed as one. “Oh you’re just a whiny little hysterical girl, shut up.” You’re constantly gaslit about your interests and experiences and trauma. You know what it looks like when someone sees you as small and insignificant, unworthy of listening to. You have femininity forced onto you and get punished if you disobey. If you’re Asian, you’re even more sexualized and infantilized due to fetishization. And if you’re black or brown, society never considered you innocent to begin with. You’ve been an adult from the moment you were born. Being socialized as having a white girlhood is a very particular experience. But if you’re on the internet and in queer spaces you learn that femininity is always really good, actually, that it never punishes anyone, and that you can be anyone except a man. You can be a lesbian, you can be non-binary, you can be butch, you can be transmasc, as long as you don’t Step Over The Line to being a man. As long as you Stay Good. These ideas slowly creep into your head and stay there, sometimes being what keeps you from realizing you’re a man.
And then you realize you’re a man. And you still have all those experiences, you’ve still been hurt by misogyny in the same way, you’ve still had violence enacted upon you. But now it’s somehow worse, because the same people who supported you when you were butch, or a lesbian, or transmasc but not a man, suddenly they’re gone. You can see the distaste they have for you. Suddenly those “jokes” about men you and others made out of pressure and internalized self-hate affect you, and it hurts. So you speak up, say that actually, you’re a man and you’re not bad. And they laugh at you. They say that either “oh we didn’t mean YOU,” or “if you’re a man, then you’re included.” And what are you supposed to say to that? Either all men are evil but you’re not evil so you can’t be one, or you become a victim of a kind of violence resulting from 2010s Buzzfeed “progressive” gender essentialist bullshit “feminism”, where you have to tolerate demonization of your identity as a man to be acknowledged as a man. Sometimes you’ll take it, because you want to be seen as a man so bad that even being complicit in your own dehumanization is better than being forced into womanhood. (I’m also talking about you, pick-me trans guys. If you grew out of it, good in you, but this may be a wake up call you need.)
So you go on the internet for a supportive trans community and you find that things have shifted since you thought you were still an identity of Not A Man. You still have the same experiences, but now you can’t complain about them. People call you “a whiny hysterical little girl,” but in different words. Now you’re “an aggressive toxic man.” Keep in mind, you’re still regularly misgendered and treated as a girl offline, but that doesn’t matter to these people. You’ve crossed that line, and now you’re Bad, and there’s nothing you can do about it. You can’t talk about experiences, you can’t talk about prejudice, you can’t talk about issues that uniquely affect trans men. You can’t talk about how cis women throwing a tantrum at inclusive reproductive language is at words meant to include trans men, not trans women. You can’t talk about how afab socialization still effects you, that it keeps you from speaking out at this very moment. You can’t talk about the rate of violence, or of murder, or of sexual assault. Suddenly the people who know full well how inherently violent it is to misgender trans women in death are saying “but terfs like trans men, they just want to save you, you don’t die like we do,” and you don’t know what to say. Because it’s so untrue.
You know exactly how terfs attack trans men, all the fear-mongering about “poor autistic lost lesbians,” and “amputating healthy breasts and fertility,” and “internalized misogyny, they did this to escape the patriarchy.” You know the fear-mongering about it and where it comes from, because you’ve seen it from the day you were born. It’s the language of putting men who they see as deviant women back in their place. And yet no one besides you and other trans men seem to see it. When JK Rowling comes out with her transphobic manifesto, she talks just as much about trans men as she does trans women. And yet the only response you see to her is “trans women are women!!!!”. And generally, that’s the only response you ever see to any type of transphobia. That trans women are women. This gets so ingrained that anyone other than you is completely unprepared for how to defend trans men against transphobia, because they think transphobia only affects trans women and don’t understand the unique language. It also doesn’t help that most of them already believe the same things (mainly, that being a man is Bad and Not Progressive) and they can’t argue against what they believe.
And so here you are, still experiencing misogyny and violence, still being misgendered and threatened, uniquely in danger for being visibly trans, but you can’t talk about it now. Because you use he/him now, and that makes you evil. Other trans people, who are supposed to be your family, think you’re evil. They project their hatred of cis men and masculinity onto you, and you’re bewildered. You realize they can accept you for being trans, but they can’t accept you for being a man.
They’ll try and get you to separate those parts, say nonsense like “all transphobia is only based on trans women,” when you know for a fact it affects people in different ways. If you say telling all men to die is problematic, they’ll call you transmisogynistic and sexist as though you don’t know misogyny like the back of your hand. You try telling people who have been dehumanized for being trans that you don’t want to be dehumanized for what makes you trans, and get demonized even further. You get the worst combination of all. You get diminished and mocked and condescended and dismissed, “Oh you’re just a whiny little hysterical girl, shut up,” turns into “Oh you’re just a whiny little hysterical man. Stop speaking over women.” You’re still constantly gaslit about your interests and experiences and trauma, because liking masculinity is seen as bad now that you’ve realized you’re a man. You know what it looks like when someone sees you as small and insignificant, unworthy of listening to (especially as growing up as a Jewish girl, and now a Jewish man). They see you as not only small and insignificant, unworthy of listening to, but they justify it with your identity. Before, it was that “women” weren’t worthy of being listened to because they were stupid and insignificant, and now it’s that you’re a man, and men shouldn’t talk about their experiences fear because they’re Evil. You had femininity forced onto you and got punished if you disobeyed, and now you get that again! But now you’re a “toxic man” if you hate being misgendered. You get the misogyny of being treated like a woman and the demonization of being a man, and you can’t talk about either. “You can’t complain now,” they say, “you asked for this. You chose this.”
They use the same language of those “he’s only pulling your hair because he likes you” teachers (“terfs want to forcibly detransition you bc they care about you”) or “you were asking for it” adults after being catcalled for the first time at age 12 (“you chose to be a man”) or the same fucking language as terfs, who they claim to hate. They use this same language, except now it’s a chance for them to project their trauma with masculinity onto you. You learn a lot of people only hate terfs because they don’t include trans women, not because they’re fascists who believe in innate gender essentialism and that your genitals determine everything about you. You learn a lot of trans people are terfs. In everything but name, they are. They believe in gender essentialism, in radical feminism, that all men are evil, just including trans women. In their view, they slot trans women into the status of white womanhood as eternal victims, and trans men into the status of white manhood as eternal oppressors. Except that doesn’t work.
(Not to mention that non-binary people can also be men or/and women, and are entirely left out in all of this except to fit into this oppression point calculator developed in a previous un-invented circle of discourse hell)
You find a small circle of trans men and mascs talking about the same stuff you’re talking about. You realize that realizing you’re a trans man means you have to become an activist for trans men. Every word you think of to describe your own experiences is, again, mocked and dismissed. You’re gaslit even more heavily than you were before, by the same people who claim you have power over them. People who have never talked to a trans man in good faith spread misinformation, that testosterone is easy to get (it’s actually harder to get than estrogen because it’s a level three substance that results in a felony if taken without a prescription), that it’s poison (and maybe it was for them, but they say it as a universal statement), that all trans men worry about is misgendering, ignoring the very real violence against us specifically for being TRANS MEN. And you die a little inside and grow very disillusioned and alienated from other trans people. You notice that traits of a testosterone-induced puberty are demonized even when that hurts trans women, and you notice any trans women who try to speak up are silenced, just as you are. And it hurts. Where is the community in this?
But still, you have your own community, slowly raising awareness for these things. You dust off your skills you got from validating yourself from harm from your abusive mother, and put on that same shield you used against abusive cis boys in high school who made period jokes and said cis lesbians just wanted to be men. You use the language to describe your own oppression that you know to be true. You use “transandrophobia” and “anti masculinity” without apology. You’re not going to apologize, flutter your lashes and give a nervous laugh the way you did for cis men when you were in danger, to other trans people about transphobia. Not anymore, not now, and not ever again. You work through your own self-hatred of masculinity that the queer “community” fully endorses and practices daily, and realize that being a man is good, actually. You start defining your own ideal of masculinity, and start being your own role model of what you want to be as a man.
You’re on testosterone and see it demonized daily by other trans people, and see that what gives you happiness is mocked as what makes you unlovable and disgusting. It hurts, but you learn to brush them aside. Solidarity is important, you’ve always known this. Sometimes you can get through to people, who will realize they’re hurting you and stop. But some people won’t, and will victimize themselves eternally. That’s not your fault, and the emotional labor you carried over from being raised as a girl means you especially need to hear this. That’s not your job. Not because women should have that job, but because no one should have to do more work than is equal. You are trans because you are a man, and so your manhood cannot be separated from your transness. Other people practicing transphobia against you is their fault, not yours.
You start to learn that damn, the patriarchy really does effect men from how other queer people treat you. Because people, especially women (both cis and trans) start treating you like a non-human robot, an emotional punching bag. That’s if they don’t demonize you entirely. But still, you have your community, you’re transitioning, and you’re happy. You start growing into your manhood and masculinity, really growing into it. And there are times when you’re really, really happy. You decide to make your own representation. Don’t let anyone take that away from you, fellow trans men. You are handsome, you are strong, you are resilient. Your are courageous and lovely and kind. You are worthy of love not despite being a man, but because you are a man. It’s been hard, it’ll be hard. But it’s worth it to be a man.
(This ended up being a long post, a combination of what started out as a rant and turned into more of a personal journey narrative. I want to make people feel heard. You are valid. It’s not just in your head, they are gaslighting you. You aren’t sensitive, you aren’t dramatic, you aren’t toxic, and you aren’t whiny. You’re a trans man who wants to be known as a man without being demonized for it. Never be afraid to speak up against transphobia, especially when it’s from other trans people. They should know better, it is not your fault. I love you. I’ve also learned more about multigender people and intersex people, but I can’t speak to their experience at all and so didn’t want to misrepresent. But I can only imagine it’s even more complicated and hard for you, so you get even more love and support <333)
(If you’re not a trans man or transmasc reading this, and you support it, thank you. This was specifically about trans men because it’s the man part people really demonize, and transmasc as an identity is still seen as “safe” because it’s “not a man”. For supportive trans women and transfems, I love you. Keep speaking up for us. But for anyone who comes at this in bad faith, re-evaluate why you feel attacked. Are you perpetuating harm against trans men? Are you continuing gender essentialism but justify it because you have a marginalized identity? Are you projecting your trauma against cis men, men in general, and masculinity against people who can’t fight back? Reflect and grow the fuck up. Are you a trans man who’s bought into dehumanizing yourself so you can be seen as “one of the good ones”? Are you a white trans woman weaponizing your newfound sense of white womanhood onto trans men, especially non-white trans men? Reflect on how demonizing men and masculinity as inherently predatory and dangerous effects jewish men, black men, brown men, disabled men, and Asian men. And maybe just white cishet men as well!!! They’re also people!!!! Being a man isn’t inherently a bad thing. You should be mad at systems, not people, and individuals when they perpetuate harm. Being marginalized in one area doesn’t mean you can claim to be the voice of the community while hurting members of the community you supposedly consider yourself apart of.)
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slithymomerath · 8 months
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Me when cis boys act like girls are an alien species: Please make one (1) female friend. I am begging you please just make one friend you’ll see how beautiful and lovely and flawed and human of a person they are, it will brighten a whole part of your world, bro please—
Me when cis girls act like boys are an alien species: Please make one (1)—do I have to repeat the whole comparison or do you get it. Please stop with the gender essentialism, it’s literally the worst for everyone, once you make one (1) friend you’ll understand, no if you secretly look down on them or think of them as ‘other’ it doesn’t count, sorry to inform you but that’s not actually friendship. Love, your friendly neighborhood tran
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pybun · 7 months
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Have you ever imagined what AJ would look like as a spirit-clown-thing like Tatters (and vice versa)? Basically a species swap 🤔
ever since the thought of genderbending them had occured, a role swap would be more preferable
tatters being the depressed guy and AJ the gremlin clown
their fusion would p much look the same as og tatters. heres a quick sketch of a loose idea of how theyd look like
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punkeropercyjackson · 28 days
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How do people think Percabeth has 'transmasc4transfem swag' though.Annabeth literally refuses to tell Percy she thinks he's handsome and he cringes at having to play the boyfriend roles for her
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craycraybluejay · 6 months
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Why is every popular transfem on Tumblr a neobaeddel.
Like yes! Transphobia sucks. Yes! Healthcare is a human right. Yes! Capitalism bad. No! Transmasculine people aren't "not oppressed" or "exempt from transmisogyny" nor should they be referred to by their "birth sex" or extremely othered by queer communities. Wtf.
Yes yes yes no.
Like. Can you people please be normal about trans men and transmascs for like. One second.
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theasexual-jackson · 16 days
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“Saying men can't be lesbians is exclusionist to multigender lesbians.” Mx, let me tell you something: Multigender people are not binary men.
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trans-masc-madness · 8 months
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"trans men have Male Privilege and are at the top of the patriarchy due to being Real Men, so they cannot be oppressed on the basis of gender alone."
I see this SO MUCH from TIRFs trying to excuse their claims that trans men have a "victim complex" when we talk about transandrophobia, to which I say this:
that is a cis man. what you just described is a cisgender man. "trans men are real men" means "trans men are real men". it DOES NOT mean "trans men are CIS men". the fact that you think "real man" is synonymous with "cis man" is a you problem.
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cios-correct-opinions · 7 months
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"androphobia" doesn't exist. it's 'just' transphobia - which is bad! "transphobia that transmascs face" is just transphobia, no need for a special new word. i get people didn't want to say transmisandry because, well, misandry is fake and you sound just like a men's rights activist. but there is no "androphobia"
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chaos-in-one · 14 days
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"Trans people are just enforcing gender roles!!!" stares intensely in gnc trans person
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intersexfairy · 1 year
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a necessary part of feminism is acknowledging that any and all cisheteropatriarchal ideas of gender can be used to enact harm - not just masculinity and manhood.
if your feminism denies how people weaponize femininity and womanhood (or even a lack of masculinity or manhood) to harm others, you are not advocating for liberation. if your feminism denies how toxic masculinity and manhood harm men and masculine people, you are not advocating for liberation. if your feminism denies the existence of queer people, their oppression, and any harm they enact through gender, you are not advocating for liberation.
gender based oppression/privilege is not black and white. it does not exist in a bubble, separate from other forms of oppression & privilege. if you act as otherwise, you're ultimately affirming the suffering and oppression of others. gender liberation includes everyone. that's the entire point.
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jirai-boy · 1 year
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local trans boy vents bla bla bla
i am SO tired of the people who claim transandrophobia/transmisandry/anti-transmasculinity/any term related to transmasc oppression “doesn’t exist” because its just transphobia bc apparently not a single person on earth hates trans men for being men, it’s just because we’re trans!
if i were not a man, i would not be trans.
if i were not trans, i would not be a man.
you cannot separate those from each other. i am not just trans. i am not just a man. i am a transgender man and both words are intertwined with each other in an inseparable way.
“nobody hates you because you’re a man. it’s because you’re trans.”
is it?
the people who say i should be a straight tomboy or a butch lesbian. “just because you dress up as a boy doesn’t mean you are one. it’s okay to like boy things and be a woman.”
the people who threaten me with violence. “oh since you wanna be a man, you can get your ass beat like one.”
the people who tell me i’m a traitor to women. “why would you choose to become the oppressor. kill yourself.”
the people who tell me to get raped.
the people who tell me to get assaulted.
the people who hope i get murdered.
the people who tell me to commit suicide.
the people who don’t think trans men exist.
the people who prioritize CHASERS above trans men.
the people who refuse to hear the cries of trans men when we are hurting.
the people who center other people in discussions about US and OUR oppression.
the people who believe we are worse than cisgender men because we “chose” to be men.
all of this is only because we are trans? not because we are transgender men?
at what point does it end? what will it take for people to listen to trans MEN about OUR fucking issues? when will people stop belittling us, mocking us, ignoring us, because we dared to have feelings about how we’re being oppressed?
ignoring us is the last fucking thing we need right now.
i’m tired of it.
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