#anti queerbaiting

[brettdoesdiscourse]

Just a reminder that real people cannot queerbait and you aren't entitled to anyone coming out for you.

#queerbaiting #anti queerbaiting #social discourse #brett does discourse

[destielette]

It’s finally canon :

CW & Homophobia Is Canon

We’ve been knew but thank you Misha for confirmation

#Misha Collins #Destiel #supernatural #Jensen Ackles #cw homophobia #Dean Winchester #Cas #Castiel #Misha #cockles #Jenmish #Spn #cw #anti cw #cw queerbaiting #Cr8 #Crossroads8 #crossroads 8 #the cw

[eexhausted]

sorry to be back on my anti sylki bs but it’s BAFFLING how so much of the fandom doesn’t see what the relationship between them ACTUALLY is. it’s literally about loki recovering and his SELF DISCOVERY - aka the whole point of the show. it’s not true romance it’s symbolism.

“i just want you to be okay.” HMMM i wonder! oh jee what other reason could he have for saying this that ISNT passionate love for yk, a version of HIMSELF?!!!! it is so obvious to me and idk how its slipped some peoples minds

anyway live laugh love lokius

#loki series #loki season 2 #loki #loki show #anti sylki #sorry to be such a hater #i just #am a hater #at heart anwyay #lokius #like okay we’re getting queerbaited #but hey at least we’re doing it well

[ima-super-natural]

I'm so disappointed I finally watched the "gay angel" show everyone had been telling me was "so queerbaity" since like 2015 only to find out the ship only exists because the only other male to ship the main character with would be incest and the characters themselves actually have no tension at all.

#supernatural thing not actual gay angel show thing #i didnt expect to be anti destiel but COME ON #THEY HAVE NOTHING #im genuinely starting to think you guys dont know what queerbait is #fandom critical #anti destiel #please don't smite me for this i just got here

[starbylers]

No but I do find it funny how Mlvns are throwing tantrums, furiously conceding that Byler could possibly happen, cursing the writers and saying they’ve given into fan service, all because of ST day ignoring their ship when tbh marketing should be the last thing causing anyone to lose hope this early on 😭 Like how is this the thing that took you out yet Mleven lying fighting separating and not speaking once after Mike’s ugly-lit monologue with Will’s kicked puppy face in the back didn’t phase you? Will showering Mike with love to comfort his insecurities instead of his literal girlfriend doing it, and the reminder of those misattributed-to-El feelings giving Mike the strength to “confess” didn’t make you stop and think?? Not even the insanely staged final scene Byler + couples framing made you blink??? I just think it goes to show that they really pay attention to and place importance on the wrong things, having to have things spelled out for them by the ST promo team (like that Will’s hidden love confession is obviously the most heartfelt moment) in order for them to even acknowledge a different perspective, meanwhile the rest of us just watched the show lol.

#byler #anti mileven #they have this pre-determined opinion of what the story is supposed to be that they have been fixed on since s2 #of course to them there’s no explanation but queerbait or fan service

[charmac]

what's the origin of "trust the structure"? i always see it on macdennis posts but i don't know what it MEANS

Well the origin is the show itself, lmfao:

It's essentially the idea that there is (and has been) a structure in place for Macdennis becoming canon. AKA Macdennis is not fanon/shippers reading too much into the show, but a deliberate, slow-burn narrative being written and told by RCG.

BUT if you don't know what the structure is, I could not recommend watching this video by @youreeatingthedog more highly enough.

#MOST OF THE TIME when people say 'trust the structure' it's like #the anti-queerbait in a way #basically affirming #youre/we're not reading too much into it #they are both in love and we're just in the middle of the story being told #trust the structure #a lot of this show is meta #so reaching into the show for clues/hints/parallels is really much too easy to be real #lmfao #ask #macdennis #iasip

[taw-k]

A lot of people complain that the Loki series was queerbaiting with lokius but lemme tell you... They weren't. They were queerbaiting when they told us we would get ACTUAL REPRESENTATION in the show. NOT a split second scene in the end credits of an episode written in FINE print 'fluid' FFS!!! and not Loki vaguely mentioning possibly having had a male lover. "Perhaps a bit of both" PERHAPS?! OWN THAT SHIT, LOKI!!

#queerbaiting #anti sylki #anti loki show #anti loki series #anti sylvie #anti larry #larry show #larry series #loki #loki laufeyson #marvel #loki laufeychild #loki laufeydottir #loki of asgard #loki of jotunheim #loki series #anti mobius

[captainshazamerica]

Guys, every single close male friendship in shows is not queerbaiting!!! Like please, let men be close and open with each other plantonically😭

#im scared to tag what i wanna tag lmao #already scared to post this but im tired of shows getting viciously ripped apart and accused of queerbaiting every platonic male frienship #imma do it. imma tag the show im ranting about in particular. but its also just in general. #loki #anti lokius #Like obv feel free to ship it loud and proudly #but just stop accusing and attacking the writers and showrunners

[exposewolf13257]

This asshole Sick in the head saying Im carrying the Teenwolf franchise like TF no!! The Movie was absolutely Not Anything but good… Its nothing like the Show, You saying this Franchise making DOB doesn’t exist and saying I carry the movie When You absolutely done nothing but Posts nudes on Onlyfans. Jealousy is what Posey is thinking because He wants to be better but your not posey

#anti tyler posey #tyler posey #teen wolf #anti scott mccall #gay #queerbaiting #queer #queer pride #phem #gayboy #sterek #dylan o’brien #tyler hoechlin #tyler posey fans #arden cho #teenwolf #fyp #derek hale #scott mccall #anti jeff davis

[maxanor]

honestly st*rek fans deserved to be queerbaited

#han talks #anti sterek #it’s always been such a baffling ship to me like anyone who genuinely thought that they would get together….. #u brought the queerbaiting on urself #and i don’t really care that much for derek as a character so i didn’t care when he died #also ppl saying that derek keeping the jeep proved he was in love with stiles you’re all INSANE #24 yr old derek ‘falling in love’ with 16 yr old stiles like i don’t think that’s as fun as u guys think it is #anyway sorry i’m a hater! #teen wolf the movie #teen wolf #teen wolf the movie spoilers

[brettdoesdiscourse]

I will say I've seen about one example of genuine queerbaiting and everything essentially boils down to, "well, I like these people as a couple and they didn't end up together."

#queerbaiting #anti queerbaiting #fandom discourse #brett does discourse

[musclesandhammering]

Hard pills to swallow: The only reason they even gave us a vague one-sentence bi confirmation was cause they already knew they were gonna make it up to straight people by having loki randomly fall in love with the only female version of himself and then base the entire series around it.

#queerbaiting #for real this time #and I don’t mean l*kius #I’m meant when it comes to #bi representation #and especially #genderfluid loki #anti loki series #loki series criticism #anti sylvie #antisylki #anti sylki #fluidphobia #biphobia #heteronormativity

[eexhausted]

you can tell who’s really winning loki s2 bc lokius fans are at least somewhat enjoying it and analysing all their interactions, while sylki shippers are saying they’re being “disrespected” the writers just. bc their ship is popular and making shitty memes about “WHERE IS OUR LOVE CONFESSION”

#loki season 2 #lokius #anti sylki #loki series #loki #THIS IS. mostly a joke guys i know #i know lokius nation are losing too. #we’re so getting queerbaite #but at least we’re having fun

[herhighness-thequeenofhearts]

POV 2013:

I walk into the Hot Topic. There is merch of Supernatural, Doctor Who, and Sherlock. There is no gay. I think that I’m not being queerbaited because I’m an absolute moron.

POV 2023:

I walk into the Hot Topic. There is merch of What We Do In The Shadows, Good Omens, and Our Flag Means Death. There is so much gay and it’s all canon. I am not being queerbaited, and it’s beautiful. I shed a single tear.

Join me in manifesting

#manifesting #manifesation #tumblr 2013 #hot topic #superwholock #supernatural #doctor who #bbc sherlock #what we do in the shadows #good omens #our flag means death #wwdits #ofmd #our flag means gay #queerbaiting #anti queerbait

[autistic-katara]

acting like byler hasn’t been used to advertise the show multiple times/has been talked abt by the cast in a way to draw in queer audiences, aka the literal definition of queerbait if they don’t do it

#not saying they’ll definitely make byler endgame but if they don’t it would infact be queerbaiting #like have yous not seen all those posts from the cast (specifically noah) being like “lol byler canon 2024” #the cast aren’t just some fans everything they say abt the show is to promote it #so again if it doesn’t happen (which it might not) it would very much be queerbaiting #byler #anti mileven #<- incase anyone has that blocked #stranger things #ryan shut the fuck up

[brsb4hls]

Right nobody will care, but it's important to me.

In order to get decent representation in media there needs to be a serious discourse.

This also refers to openly adressing and criticizing queerbaiting.

If you claim 'queerbaiting' every time two men get along with each other, you're effectivly killing the discourse.

It will have the 'cry wolf' effect and will not be taken seriously anymore.

There's obviously no point in sharing interviews that contradict the 'baiting', since nobody cares. I tried.

It's also useless to argue perception, you can't argue perception.

So lets try logic as a last resort:

From what I've seen Lokius hardly exists outside of tumblr. Some may ship it on twitter (daily lokius has like 4000 followers and there might he overlap with the tumblr croud), there's the occasional facebook comment, idk about TikTok.

On tumblr, how big is the fandom? The most popular posts I've seen have like 5000 notes.

So lets be generous and estimate 8000 people in total. (Edit: been informed it's 11000, still not a blip)

That's not even a blip in ratings.

It absolutely does not matter in any capacity.

Now why would the Loki show go through the trouble of creating subtle queer subtext for a handful of people who wont make them money?

Can't be positive reception, because the press focusses on the clever time travel stuff, easter eggs, cinematography, effects, what have you. There's enough positivity.

There is absolutely no reason.

And if you argue that queer shows are getting more popular: yes, thankfully they are, but if you look at the tv stats from just today, ofmd is ranked 67 in popularity, Loki is ranked 9.

Even if those stats weren't reliable, the bitter truth is that Loki does not need the Lokius shipping subset of queer fans (subset because there are enough queer Loki fans who watch anyways).

So tl;dr: By all means, celebrate your ship, that's what it's for. But get off the queerbaiting train please. That's so not what's happening here and it messes up discourse.

(Otoh I gotta admit if 8000 people complain about being baited next friday, it probs also wont matter. But it is so exhausting, you have no idea)

#loki #loki disney+ #loki series #shipping #queerbaiting #lokius #it's not an anti ship post in any way #just anti current fandom discourse #queer representation #representation in media