#Jin Negativity

[firebirdsdaughter]

Jin and Naki for the character opinion bingo.

Hoo, boy, here we go.

I'll start w/ Naki bc Jin's… A little weird:

To give a bit of explanation: they both have too much and not enough screen time bc they both did not get developed very much and were crammed into a single ep, but were also repeatedly awkwardly wedged into things, same w/ wasted potential, their 'development' felt very shallow and unfounded, hence the 'not as deep' thing, and then the dynamic one is bc I found them much more interesting when interacting with Horobi and Ikazuchi and Yua (not necessarily all at once, and the first two more than the second).

W/ Jin, I gotta make distinction, bc I feel differently about the two different Jins. So, first, as he shall always be, Baby Jin:

He was wasted/didn't get enough screen time bc he got murdered in ep 16 and then lots of people forgot about him, deeper/almost everyone is wrong bc lots of people called him Horobi's puppet which is both hypocritical and blatantly bs, works better in his family relationship w/ Horobi, got done dirty bc so many people abandoned him for Neo Jin and again called him a puppet, he's my son I love him so much I want him back.

But we gotta move onto Neo Jin:

Bane of my life thou art Neo Jin. I originally defended Neo Jin but by the end of the show I couldn't stand him. He was a simplified clone of an interesting character who lost all his colour and complexity and was reduced from an ai created by another ai to another mere "marvel" of human engineering that lost all his individuality to rehash the myth that humans are Best. I'm gonna stop now bc I'm in a mood and cannot talk about Neo Jin w/out getting mad.

Ahem. Sorry, apparently I needed to vent and I always maintain being honest in these things.

#ineedsleeptoday #Asks #Kamen Rider Zero-One #Kamen Rider Zero One #my precious baby pink falcon son #Jin Negativity #Baby Jin deserved better than to have the Ark get his father killed and then be murdered for being mad about it #Neo Jin needed a better explanation before I could accept him #and even then his behaviour was so awful I probably wouldn't have anyway #Neo Jin and Baby Jin Distinction #listen if you say Izu is different then you're confirming that Neo Jin and Baby Jin are different #which is moot bc the former isn't even true so there's no argument #it's not ACTUALLY Jin negativity it's NEO Jin negativity but a lot of people can't seem to tell the difference #which is hilarious bc… I'll stop #Binary Retro Rider

[mewkwota]

“Okay you have any questions?”

“Yeah... can you step over a bit?”

“Why? Can’t you see everything?”

I said I’d do it, so here’s the full-proper version of that family tree Glimmer was sharing in an earlier comic. Yes this will be updated when Baby #3 gets namedropped... whoever they are.

Also I only omitted whoever else is associated with Houses Rhodes and Doyle to save my brain and canvas space, as well as Rex’s parents, and Nia’s father and sister as they do not have actual images to refer to. (Otherwise yeah I remember they exist, don’t prod me.)

Deviantart Upload Here

#and this was going to be too hard to display without racking my brain even more #but it should go without saying that pyra-n-mythra would also have lines connecting to nia #but like-- to keep it simple those lines are shown to lead to each kid #as for m and n glimmer had no idea where to put them #(the real reason is because I needed someone to fill the negative space down there-- thanks malos :) ) #Mew's Art #xenoblade chronicles #xenoblade 3 spoilers #(if you ask me if I'll do this with glimmer I wanna wait for her other sibling-- pls where are they) #klaus #addam #corrin #azurda #jin #malos #a #mythra #pyra #rex #nia #dromarch #mio #noah #ghondor #matthew #na'el #how the heck do you tag m and n--

[thatswhatsushesaid]

breaking news from jinlintai: jin guangyao is great

witnesses allege that lan xichen’s heart-eyes may be visible from as far away as caiyi town. correspondents on the scene currently working to verify these reports.

#deposits this in the tags as an inoculant against negativity #xiyao #jin guangyao #jgy #he did crimes??? good for him 😌

[befuddled-calico-whump]

realizing I have a weakness for the "give Heavily Traumatized Guy a surrogate daughter/little sister and they each learn to grow and heal with the help of the other" trope

#which in itself is not always healthy and i don't want to lean into the whole 'child has to become a therapist for their parent' negativity #but if it's played with healthy boundaries im all over it 😭 #or at the very least healthy boundaries are developed along the way #we've got skye and evyr #both were alone and she both gives him conpany and a reason to live #while he teaches her survival tricks and helps protect her #sahota and noor would be a much needed found family for each other #nabi and mel are the sibling variant but she helps him with emotional recovery and stopping blaming himself #and he gives her more insight into the real world since jin tries to shelter her #meta #calico is befuddled #tropes #this originates from when i was a kid #i was the Oldest Child so my bedtime daydreams were becoming an adpotive little sister to obi wan kenobi and helping him on missions skfbjfk

[demonicfarmer69]

Q: Does Jiujiu ever talk to JL about his maternal grandparents? 

🍋: he speaks of them with respect. but if my jiujiu raised me like my grandparents did, i....

#yea they fought a lot and even put me in between of their shouting matches #frequently which was an uncomfortable position to be in but they're my parents and i respect them a lot #listen the jiang parents are a whole can of mixed beans and ppl have many opinions on them ranging from positive to negative. #but imo jc would be the type of person to be like #regardless of whatever lvl of damage the jiang parents did to him. + #its jl so theres no way he would want to damage the image of his own parents in front of his own nephew #jl growing up under his jiujiu and seeing how strict but lenient jc is with him would find the parenting methods of the jiang parents as ... #jc is a mini yzy becaus he nags at jl like yzy did to jc YES but the difference is #jl is not hurt from it and still sees jc as a beacon of protection someone he can go to if hes hurt (biggest example is the boat scene.) #the best way i can summarise jc and jl's relationship is that jc is the eldest sister turned parent who has full responsibility over their y #does not have the same authority over the younger sib the same way a parent does #jc has influence over jl and jl respects jc but jc will never be able to have full authority over jl because jc is simply just his guardian/ #Adult Figure in his life #<- this rant is a yr old but i still agree w/ these points heh #jiang cheng #jin ling #mdzs #mo dao zu shi #jims2kevent

[adastra121]

…I have a silly idea. A question for your Touchstarved OCs! How many times in the demo would they have met an untimely end? How do you predict them dying in the future?

So, not necessarily predicting how the MC will die in the routes, just wondering what doom looks like for your OC in particular.

I’ll start:

Luneth the Unnamed

She does pretty well in the demo, actually, the only time she might have died is by Leander after he grabs her cursed hand, but he’s “perfectly fine” so everything’s a-okay. Right?

The Senobium, probably. Trusts institutions over individuals. Would submit herself to experimentation for the greater good.

Vere. If their enmity grows, it could end in bloodshed and since she isn’t a fighter, her odds don’t look good.

There’s not a lot here, I expect her to be the MC who actually survives. Let’s go final girl!

Jin the Alchemist

Soulless. Boy spends his days studying and conducting alchemical experiments, he does not exercise enough to outrun a Soulless creature before Mhin gets there.

Leander. He trusts him so much.

Ais. If Ocudeus makes him lose control, Jin isn’t going to win a fight against him, and I don’t think he’ll be able to outrun him, either..

The Senobium. He too would submit himself to experimentation for the greater good. Compared to Luneth who’d be like, “This is my purpose. This is how I contribute to the world,” though, he’d probably view it more as a deserving punishment for being a monster. He has to be restrained somehow because he is made to hurt, and there is no redemption for that.

Mentor. I can see a path where he leaves Eridia and returns to her. He already has doubts about his decision to flee. Would let her take his life to keep others safe.

Seaspring. Would drink from it after losing all hope for another cure.

Alon the Hound Oh boy...

Vere. “Call me a dog again, and I’ll make you bleed.” “You got it, bitch! :D”

Vere. Booped the snoot of his monster form.

Vere. After trying to prank him with static electricity — look, it was Ais’s fault for giving them the idea of Vere’s tail frizzing up. Can you just picture Vere with a hand on that static electricity ball in the science centres? POOFY VERE XD

Vere. After drawing a portrait of Vere for his Senobium employee of the month picture (he is not employee of the month). They’re not really an artist. It looks like she’s insulting him. It amused Kuras before they died, though, so. Worth it.

Vere. Tried to serenade him. *strums lute badly* “I love you, bitch.”

Vere. Said directly to his face, “Sometimes I wonder how I taste haha.”

Vere. After trying to pick his pockets.

Vere. Surrendered.

Ocudeus. Tried fighting it.

Ocudeus. Tried flirting with it.

Ocudeus. Tried eating it.

Ocudeus. Tried flirting with it again.

Ocudeus. Tried to pick its pockets. And no, the eldritch kraken does not have any pockets, you dumbass—

Ais. “Trust me bro, I got this.” After asking him to help them with the famous magic trick that involves catching a deadly projectile in her mouth. I don’t know, I just feel like they'd enable each other with dumb shit.

Leander. Drank his poisoned punch on a dare. See the above.

Kuras. When judgement comes for their soul, I feel like she’d annoy the gods into smiting them.

Kuras. Ate his cooking. They’re the kind of person to eat rice raw and try to cook it by drinking boiling water. How much more dangerous could the doctor’s cooking be—

Senobium. They’d have a contentious relationship with the Senobium in every route, so the academy would take no issue with killing the thief. Probably via Vere.

Senobium. There is at least one universe in the demo where they made the split second decision to swipe that Senobium cleric’s keys and attempt to break Vere out. Spontaneous jail break wooooooo! They’d fail horribly, of course, but I know that there’s at least one alternate universe where she would do that.

Seaspring. Gave into their impulses and cannonballed into the Seaspring. Though who else lowkey wants to swim in the forbidden soup?

Mhin. Would sooner choose to die than kill their friend. So if Mhin loses control and running’s not an option…Damn, there’s so much they wanted to do with them. They wanted to make them laugh more. They wanted them to teach her about alchemy because it seems to make them happy. They still haven’t told them the secret to that one magic trick they could never pick apart and she knows how that’s been driving them crazy, even though they pretend they don’t care, even though they always care more than they let others know, it’s one of the reasons she—She never got to tell them. Ah, well. They’ll figure it out without her. She knows they will.

Please feel free to reblog with your OCs' death count/causes of death predictions!

#luneth is my final girl I am GOING to have her survive #she’s going to WIN #jin is looking like a doomed heroine in those romantic tragedies #and alon… #just play that ‘dumb ways to die’ song for alon #negative stats for self preservation instincts #alon is on the ‘vere kills you’ ending speedrun #touchstarved #touchstarved game #touchstarved oc #luneth the unnamed #jin the alchemist #alon the hound

[galactic-bi-cat]

A bout of inspo struck me late last night, and this is what came out of it

#bts #bts fanart #word art #negative space design #jung hoseok #jhope #min yoongi #yoongi #kim seokjin #jin bts #suga bts #transparent #did two versions of suga cos color incompatibility w app background

[kazamajun]

One thing I forgot to mention was a misconception I've seen from when Kazuya tells Jin that half-baked moves won't work on him. He's not shitting on the Kazama style -- what he means is 'You don't measure up to your mother'.

#tekken #which is objectively true she's a lifelong practitioner while jin's training in that style is a lot more limited #sticking to keeping that post purely as a breakdown of kaz's ending is probably better tho anyways #but it still ties into like.. how recognition of strength is how kazuya demonstrates love if that makes sense #i feel like for him that it's highly entwined with showing respect. #the sixth love language: admitting u could beat my ass KJAHDFS #hoping this isn't coming off as jin-negative bc i lov him + he's demonstrated his strength plenty i just wanted to ramble abt a silly take #meta

[acearohippo]

Love how her esper fit is just "tits out, ass out"

She looks like the gals drawn in True Beauty, down to the exaggerated hips and thigh gap and triangular waist to hip to rib cage ratio. No shade, but it makes me giggle every time. Actually, a bit of shade cause why her shirt perfectly suctioned on her baubles?? 🤣 damn bubble boobies striking again.

She looks so unrealistically proportioned compared to every other character in this game, it's wild. She looks like a gacha character from one of those "It's not hentai" games in the app store.

Wonder why they went for the Halloween "sexy baseball player" get up for Dokkaebi. I mean, I guess sometimes they carry around clubs and bash people with them, but where's her bat?? They could've gone the wrestling Dokkaebi route, or maybe the archery Dokkaebi route, but I guess they just wanted to draw a sexy girl. Valid.

And, yes, I'm aware that baseball is a pretty solid sport in S.Korea, but I'mma still nitpick the decision to introduce it in the most jarring way possible. She looks like a high schooler in one of them fan service anime. What is the connection??? 🤔

#dislyte #the hippo speaks #jin hee dislyte #i know i said a lot of negatives #but i absolutely will be choosing her for my free esper #tennis and baseball fits are a surprising weakness of mine and i gotta stan #i just can't believe that this girl is gonna our first intro to korean pantheon #I'll have to look into it more cause this is the first time I'm not seeing ANY connection between the esper fit and deity #she looks like she eas made for the male gaze only #which is very strange #this the game where every women looks good but isn't made to made to solely be looked at #na'mean? #i am a thousand percent excited for her to drop tho

[pbaintthetb]

today on fics I will never write:

Mo Xuanyu DOES have a friend in Mo Village, he’s not alone, it’s just that this friend is the disembodied spirit of Jin Zixuan- who only he can see- so it really does nothing to curb the accusations of madness

it’s jokes though, they go a whole month before JZX like, realises they’re related.

#mdzs #JZX likes Nie Huaisang thinks he's nice enough if a fool #he's hopeful when he starts poking around Mo VIllage finally someone might help his little brother #Jin Zixuan does not like Nie Huaisang for long #like for all jzx ain't the sharpest sword i do feel like he probably understands power games better than mxy #or like he understands them in a different way maybe because mxy has lived the negative consequences of power games so #feels like a disservice to say mxy doesn't see any of it #anyway i have one line in my head which is jzx finding mxy is a jin bastard and just being like #omfg my dad had another one? #and then realising that's awkward for mxy so apologising

[scalproie]

Gaslight Gatekeep Grampsboss

#and then he will and then jin is going to be forever fucked up by that #also like i said in the last post. I like when heihachi's being a manipulative bastard #using smth from their family (jinpachi's lanterns) to justify the training hes about to put jin through and feeding jin's negative emotions #using jin's grief to his own gain #and I love that you can kinda draw a parralel between how father (kazuya) and son (jin) were treated by heihachi here #anyway #tagging later

[ihamtmus]

wish hybe hadn't ruined my enjoyment of every single bts member's solo debut by ruining hoseok's solo debut first but here we are

#i mean i AM enjoying jimin's debut! #i really like the songs and the choreo and all #i love jimin #but that doesn't stop my heart from hurting does it #it was the worst with the astronaut tho because that was the first member with cds #jimin and jin are in my fop 3 fave bts members and i HATE it that hybe made me feel like this #i want to be happy for them in peace and i'm trying but boyyyy is it hard to ignore the 29488301 differences in treatment! #again don't send me asks about this if you want to argue it's free to make a twitter account so go play over there #wow can you sense that i'm at my limit with this company #anyway. just listened to face off again. i love it. gonna focus on that #bts #bts negativity #big hit negativity #negativity #my post

[wigglesforsquiggles]

Yes we're so normal and sane discussing this in asks and reblogs I have another question to throw at you aksbdkeh (sorry)

What's the first song you've ever heard from them?? And what made you "spiral" into becoming a fan?👁👁 mine was danger and cypher pt 3 lol

we are so so normal rain i agree more normal questions ofc ofc

the first song i technically heard was IDOL bc i basically went: i want to get into BTS, so i googled them, and found the IDOL music video. didn’t rly find it that interesting

then somehow later listened to ‘i’m fine’ and became OBSESSED. with only that song but then slowly got into it more. my first comeback was technically MOTS:7 but i was there near enough for the beginnings of boy with luv (a late fan i know 😔😔😔)

that, then RUN, spring day, fake love etc etc all pulled me in deeper. funnily enough, i initially really disliked Danger ONLY BC on those youtube videos ‘guess the BTS song’ they’d always have it for the hard rounds and ID NEVER GUESS IT (i hadn’t heard it at the time) which gave me a parasocial hate for it lmao

war of hormone was also an early hit for me. definitely like the 2/3rd BTS song i became obsessed w. i remember watching the MV in my room and dancing to the chorus (and marvelling at the colour grading lmao)

#wiggles asks #hi rain :D #i also remember disliking Not Today bc of jin’s 3 seconds of screen time and also it being kinda basic IM SORRY #it’s the type of song my sister would like /neg (sorry lmao)

[sleepy-salami]

this is such a small moment, and I totally missed it the last time I read this chapter, but

if I had a nickel for every time Wen Ning went out of his way to save Jiang Cheng and got kicked in response, I would have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's kinda funny that it happened twice

#wen ning #jiang cheng #mdzs #disclaimer: i am a jc apologist hes my meow meow don't fight me #it's just curious #something something wen ning saving jiang cheng again and again even though jiang cheng hates him with a passion #and wen ning himself has plenty of reasons to hate him #except he just... doesn't? or maybe it's just another negative feeling that he decided to repress until the end of his existence #aside from the golden core drama he either delicately avoids jiang cheng or tries to help #and i still maintain that the biggest wen ning character moment isn't him going ham at jiang cheng #it's him shielding jiang cheng with his body the next day #(you can argue that he did it for jin ling but a) it can be both and b) jc was already shielding jin ling with his body) #(and jin ling's safety is more important to jiang cheng anyway) #jiang cheng's reaction to that was priceless tbh #like yeah the kindest man in the world first decided to end your whole career and then saved your life again. like what do you even do #special thanks to wang zhuocheng for acting this scene in cql #that facial expression was a+ #anyway i hope they enjoy bumping into each other while chaperoning juniors on night hunts bc i need this enemies to begrudging allies arc #if nobody got me mdzs q ep 26 got me

[firebirdsdaughter]

Okay I can’t not say something…

… I dunno what’s going on in Geats. I’m not watching it. Sounds like my man Michianga is getting some shit which sucks, when will Takahashi treat the purple guys right???

I say, not even sure I’m spelling his name right.

But I genuinely cannot believe people are still trying to come for Horobi on this.

So let’s clear some things up.

1) Horobi was absolutely set up. Probably wasn’t the Ark’s plan from the start exactly, but she knowingly made him dependent on her and psychologically abused and manipulated him for years. Disconnected from her, Horobi was unstable and trying to grapple w/ trying to think for himself. He was heavily traumatised and easily manipulated, making him the perfect patsy. All she had to do was poke Izu’s blind devotion to Aruto a bit and have her use her usual brand of insensitive, socially unaware ‘help.’ That situation was absolutely orchestrated.

2) Is two things. Izu could easily have dodged that shot and choose not to, and Horobi had no reason to think she had no backup (which was ridiculous to begin w/). He’d made it very clearly he considered backups to be a form of immortality for ai, and we have no clue how he would have reacted if she dodged bc she choose not to. Obviously Horobi ‘shouldn’t’ have resorted to violence to ‘end’ that interaction, but he was not in a mental place where he could make that distinction. It’s all he’s ever known, it’s predominately the only way anyone has ever treated him. He was panicked and she was harassing him. He was desperate to end the interaction in anyway possible, and he’d already tried walking away. But there is no way he ‘knew�� he was ‘killing’ her (and, well… He didn’t). He actually seems genuinely shaken that she just took the hit, being unable to respond to Jin’s question (which he always has before). He wasn’t planning on ‘killing’ her at all, he just needed her to stop. She also choose to go in there in the first place. That’s like… Not to compare any of these characters to dogs in that way, but that’s like a domesticated Pomeranian walking into a playpen w/ a recently ‘rescued’ wolf that’s been abused and used in fighting rings and trying to play and being shocked it got bitten.

3) There were so many people who could have done something. Jin, who’s been so ready to take hits for people he barely knows before, just stands there. There were plenty of humans around! Fuwa and Yua, who started this whole damn thing, were nowhere to be seen, and Fuwa had an opportunity to stop the fighting and fucked it up. Like I absolutely believe there’s a correlation between Fuwa shooting Horobi for asking him that question and Horobi shooting at Izu to get her to stop provoking him. Aruto himself is more busy trying to force the HumaGear outside to go back to how he thinks they should be then dealing w/ the actual root of the situation. If he actually cared as much as he claims, maybe he’d realise how much suffering Horobi is going through and actually try to address the situation, rather than leaving it to his secretary who is in no way capable of doing so?

Basically, the fact of the matter is that this was not Horobi killing Izu in cold blood, it was more equivalent to a wounded animal trying to defend itself. She choose to go in there, back him into a corner, and choose not to back off when she saw he was becoming agitated. She choose not to dodge. He fired back in an attempt to end the interaction, bc she was doing more harm than help. Ultimately, I’m not trying to pin this on her, either, although I have Issues w/ how she was portrayed. Izu was never going to be able to help Horobi there bc she just could not understand what he was going through. In her mind, devotion to Aruto makes everything right, Aruto is the absolute best thing ever. And that’t not her fault, that was how she was made, and he inadvertently groomed her into that. But let’s not get me started on Aruto. The fact of the matter is that this was literally everyone’s fault. Well, it’s Gai and the Ark’s fault (bc the Ark is Gai’s fault), but if Horobi and even Izu herself had done nothing different but someone else present actually used their common sense for five seconds, this would never have happened.

Literally, this is saying that a traumatised, abused child soldier lashing out bc they feel backed into a corner and scared out of their minds is deliberately aggressive. Horobi was protecting himself the only way he knew how, Izu was (unintentionally, like she meant well but meaning well does not equate to doing well) harassing and provoking him and randomly decided not to dodge for some inconceivable reason, and everyone else decided that clearly, the sheltered ai w/ limited world experience and knowledge was obviously the right person to deal w/ the traumatised, abused, unstable one.

Also Fuwa and Yua started it and Fuwa had a chance to stop the fighting and fucked it up. An in character fuck up, maybe, but a fuck up. Aruto was more bothered w/ getting his free labour back than helping the traumatised child soldier. Jin randomly decides to be useless.

Edit: bc I realise I forgot them, Naki and Ikazuchi aren’t even there, they just show up to talk shit later like what the fuck guys maybe actually make and effort before you start badmouthing your supposed family member who you know has been horribly abused and mind controlled all his life.

GAI AND THE ARK.

Aaaaand… I’m not talking about after bc I think I’ve ruffled enough feathers.

Basically, while the situation in Geats does sound much more straightforward, I will not stand for people depicting Horobi as some knowingly malicious killer when he was very clearly not in a space where he could or knew how to make those calls. The man had only just gotten disconnected from the Ark, he was just learning how to make decisions. He didn’t ‘choose’ to ‘kill’ Izu, he acted on an instinct to protect himself out of fear and then he himself did not understand his actions.

#Kamen Rider Zero-One #Kamen Rider Zero One #Izu Negativity #Aruto Negativity #just bc I couldn't help myself w/ the side comments #although I don't think as a whole this is like actually negative about the characters exactly #they could have pulled this off if it was treated like an avoidable tragedy that was everyone's fault? #like I have an Unpopular Opinion about the whole 'reviving Izu' thing #… #eh it's already tagged as negativity the fact is I don't see how she's different her memories didn't change her at all #but I coulda gone for this if the tone was different and other people actually took responsibility #I was done for Horobi reviving Izu bc he MADE Jin he could do that #but it'd have to be portrayed as for HER not to appease Aruto #which would be hard bc Izu was the ultimate satellite character closely followed by Naki who existed solely to love Aruto #basically Izu poked a bear and got bit #but apparently only the bear should have known better #Horobi did not know how to control emotions or instinct #Izu could to a degree bc she was taught only to feel in ways Aruto approved of #most of their relationship makes me want to punch Korenosuke but that's for anothertime #she had little bits of personality spoonfed to her and had the one she was dependent on right there the whole time #Horobi was cut off from the one who controlled his ENTIRE THOUGHT PROCESS and thrown into the deep end #like yes I don't see how anything was lost esp since she got her memories back not that she needed them #but this COULD have been properly treated as a tragedy of not properly dealing w/ these situations #of how limited aruto's view and understanding of ai development were #Humans taking responsibility #those two should never have been left alone together she had no idea how to calm him down and he could never come to her view #he'd suffered too much #he had no experience w/ emotions or making his own decisions #it's literally like how he stepped in to shield Jin and then immediately wondered why he did that #HE DIDN'T KNOW

[adastra121]

Leander: If I was the last person in the world would you date me? owo MC: If you were the last person in the world... MC: I wouldn't exist...?

#Leander canonically does not have negative rizz but I just wanted to make him suffer with an oblivious mc #do you guys have an absolute dense motherfucker of an mc? #I have two — it would be Jin and the unnamed #more so the unnamed #touchstarved #touchstarved leander #leander x mc #mc x leander #incorrect quote #incorrect quotes #source: unknown