#who can breed you

[kedreeva]

Sorry about the color mix up. I appreciate the reply and additional info! I guess bc I know nothing about peafowl (and the fact i dont breed any type of animal), I'm having a hard time understanding how being sterile would be unethical. I do somewhat get the shortened life span. I really would like to understand this, I just sometimes need stuff explained like I'm 5.

Up front, there's no "somewhat get" to a shortened lifespan being caused by a mutation in captive populations. If an animal is capable of living 20+ years (and some live 30+ or even 40+!) and some non-essential mutation is causing them to live 7-9 years, it's flat out absolutely unethical to breed that mutation, full stop, regardless of anything else going on. That's indicative of a MAJOR problem in their genetics. There's NO ethical reason to breed that because humans like how it looks. So, even without the sterility, these birds would 100% be unethical to produce.

The short answer on sterility is this: we don't know WHY they are sterile, but they shouldn't be, and that means something has gone wrong. When something goes wrong with an animal, and it's something genetic that can be passed on, the ONLY responsible and ethical thing for a breeder to do is to stop using that animal for breeding and closely monitor any already-produced offspring for signs of the problem, and likely not breed them, either.

The longer more complicated answer is this: sometimes it's possible to separate the problem from the aesthetic when it comes to morphs, like it was for cameo + blindness, but sometimes it's NOT, like it wasn't for spider + head wobble for ball pythons. In those instances, it's... difficult. Because you're LIKELY going to produce animals that suffer the same problem as their parent(s), in the attempt to separate the problem from the aesthetic, and sometimes that's ALL you're going to produce. As a breeder, it's your absolute responsibility to NOT release the offspring into the general population, where the problem may be replicated without control, and to keep or cull the affected individuals if the problem cannot be separated from the aesthetic, or AT BEST find them guaranteed pet-only homes that will NEVER breed them.

Sometimes the problem IS purely aesthetic or harmless, like it was for pied in peafowl, and sometimes it's not, like it was for vitiligo in peafowl. The problem comes when you ASSUME a mutation is the first, and treat it like the first when it's really the second. This has caused FAR reaching consequences in the peafowl community, and I'm sure in others, where now the autoimmune disease that first bronze had has been passed into genpop by folks who thought they were breeding a harmless new variation of pied. Hybrid animals are often sterile (not in peafowl though, hybrid cristatus-muticus birds are fertile) because of a mismatch in chromosome pairing numbers, and often that's harmless. So, in some cases sterility is not an issue because it's the expected result or is otherwise harmless... but in the case of peafowl, it's NOT an expected result and we don't know if it's caused by something harmless or not.

Some species, like mice and horses and cattle and dogs, genetic testing and DNA mapping done with millions of dollars has proven that while some stuff isn't purely aesthetic, it also doesn't cause harm to the animal in a way that affects quality of life or that can be adapted for in captive care. For example, in chickens, the frizzle gene causes curled feathers in single copy and an absence of feathers in double copy. This gene is considered ethical to produce IF the breeding is done responsibly by putting a single copy bird over a zero copy bird, which produces smooth coats and frizzle coats, but it is unethical to produce double frizzles (called "frazzles") because frazzles cannot thermoregulate, can easily sunburn, and easily suffer skin injury during normal chicken activity.

For peafowl, we have NO genetic testing. We do not have the genome mapped. As far as I know there's a research group working on it (mostly for green peafowl though, in conservation efforts), but that's not remotely finished or available to the public to test anything. We don't know where any of the morph mutations sit, or what is causing them or if they do anything beyond just change the color. Sometimes color mutations are the result of malfunctions in enzymes. For charcoal specifically, we don't know what the mutation does, besides what we can observe on the outside- the birds have half or less the lifespan of normal birds, poor feather quality, and the hens are sterile. Is the sterility harmless like it is in some hybrid animals, or is it actually a major organ failing? Is it the only major organ that fails due to this mutation, or is it just the first sign of their shortened lives? Is it some deficiency in something the birds need to be healthy? Does it hurt the bird? We don't know, but we do know the mutation and the problems (multiple, please do NOT forget that this is one OF MORE THAN ONE problems) can't be separated, and so until we do know why and whether it's harmless or not, the ONLY ethical response to seeing a problem in a major organ's function linked inextricably to a mutation in color is to not propagate that mutation. If someone wanted to fork over the millions it takes to sequence and map genomes and then determine exactly what is going on with peafowl, that would be nice and good, but I don't see that happening. When I win the lottery big, I'll be doing it, but til then we can only follow normal breeding guidelines

Also, to put this into perspective... peafowl mature sexually around 3 years old. They are chicks until the turn of the new year following their hatch. They are yearlings that year, and immature 2yo next year. They aren't actually considered fully grown until 6 years old, and should live another 14+ years. Charcoal birds die a 1-3 years after full maturity. Is it a coincidence that they fail to thrive shortly after full sexual maturity, or is it linked? Again, we don't know. We don't know if the sterility is fine or if it's just a symptom of something worse.

Even without the sterility, though, charcoal has enough issues it would be unethical. If it was JUST sterility, with no other deleterious effects, then maybe it would be different. But it's not.

#peafowl #asks #anon asks #as always please bear in mind that animal breeding is NOT the same as human reproduction ethics #and I ONLY deal in animal ethics #and honestly even if it was just shit feather quality then I would personally consider it bad breeding #I asked the only person I know who still has charcoals what their issues were and lord it is worse than I thought even #she's keeping/breeding only what she can keep herself #and experimenting with feeding regimens in the hopes of correcting a nutritional deficiency #that might account for the sterility #but so far after like 10+ years she's had no luck #so it's not likely #Like there are SO MANY perfectly fine and healthy morphs out there #there's NO reason to keep making this one #it's not essential to the continuance of the species #also to anon: I'm not mad at all this is just how i sound about my special interest #I'm glad you asked questions #I appreciate you seeking info

[wiezumbeispiel]

Had an idea that was like. Well what if instead of crows glados had 3 baby porygons?? They’re kind of like birds. Kind of. Anyways all you need to know is that she loves them very much

#portal #portal 2 #glados #pokemon #porygon #they’re so cute…digital duckies #you can apparently breed porygon (with a ditto) despite them being genderless which is an oddity for these games #i had more that was going go go with this image but like ??? i don’t feel like spending more time on the idea even if it is cute #so I’ll just describe them to you: #basically atlas and p-body were sent to go find chell out on the surface #the reason being….glados cannot figure out how to hatch these eggs she’s like wtf i tried a heat lamp and everything what’s WRONG with them #chell who somehow has knowledge of pokemon says usually they’re huddled between other monsters to hatch #so she gets assigned the sitting-on-eggs job. because body heat lol #glados is super confused when they hatch she has never seen them before in her life. and her internal database has no informat #chell whips out a pokedex that tells them what a porygon is (how she got one i have no idea) #glados is thrilled about her new babies because they’re even deadlier and more dangerous than a regular burd #also yes the two of them end up taking care of the hatchlings together #also the blue one is named mr. chubbygon (: #2023 #digital

[heedra]

the longer i work as a child educator the more i strongly feel like it's really just awful practice to post specific anecdotes about the children you work with to social media. not only out of respect for children's privacy but also because i think that it's just really not good to tie your mindset when observing your kids to a mindset of looking for content to post about. if that makes sense.

#this is one of the big reason i just really dont talk much about my job on here #one reason i get so pissed off abt self-avowed childcare workers doom posting horror stories about their kids on here #is that i dont care whether its true or not why would you just throw it out on ur personal social media #to an audience of ppl who largely will not understand or empathize with your kids and your struggles #like i think anyone who works with kids can probably understand that posting alarmistly about their behavior on tumblr #is not going to breed nuanced empathy or awareness for their situation. its just going to get op notes.

[yardsards]

whoever popularized the obsession with "growth mindset" in education owes every disabled kid an apology letter

#eliot posts #like of course it is important to build confidence in kids and a belief that they can improve #but the whole like #''you MUST believe that you can do ANYTHING and if you bring up any of your limits you just have a Fixed Mindset and are Wrong'' #that's. that breeds so much fucking ableism in teachers #seriously the teachers who cared most abt that mindset shit loooved to pretend my disabilities didn't exist #and shame me when i admitted struggles and acknowledged my limits #it's the same as that ''you're not disabled you're just differently abled :)'' nonsense #i'm fucking disabled! it's not a dirty word! it's not shameful to be unable to do shit or to struggle more to do shit! #ALSO iirc the studies that ''proved'' the effectiveness of mindset interventions in schools were EXTREMELY limited #and didn't stand up well to replication. and overall just suffered from publication bias #*shaking my fist at carol dweck*

[zhongrin]

Ok so on anon bc I don't want new people coming to my blog expecting nsfw or omegaverse

Alpha!Wrio who catches a whiff of your sweet, sweet omega pheromes while you're in heat. You're so vulnerable like this, trying to bury yourself in anything that smells like him, and he feels so so guilty for wanting to pound you into next year. But of course he can't resist his pretty omega darling. Not when you tug at his belt so needily.

Alpha!Wrio who mutters a few halfhearted "We shouldn't"s, but at your insistence, clothes are quickly discarded and his teeth find your skin, any part that's unmarked, so pure and unblemished compared to his many scars.

Alpha!Wrio who loses himself in your warmth. You feel so cosy, so snug, that he can't help his urges. And besides, you're the one who asked for this, no? He's sure you won't complain if he can't bring himself to leave your warmth. And frankly, he doesn't think he could even if he wanted to with the way his thick, heavy cock knotted in you, eager to keep every last drop of his seed deep inside you.

Alpha!Wrio who goes as many rounds as it takes to satisfy you so you're not troubled by your heat. And maybe more, because he finds it hard to stop once he gets into the rhythm.

i. i would. i. oh lord. i'm so. unwell. i'm. oh gods. i. oh. hm. wow. ahahahahah fuck i'm so normal about this. so normal. so. uh. oh. umh. damn. i. god. archons above.

i'm wet.

#minors dni #rin answers #omegaverse #rin is having tea with: anon 💟 #i know who you are but i'm not gonna tag you #oh god #ohhhhhhhhh lord #he can knot me and breed me and and and and

[mildcicada]

#when i was first coloring him in he was gonna be golden chinchilla colored but then i was like ehhh jonah magnus should be red/orange but #elias should be gray ...so i just desaturated what i already did instead of recoloring lol but #he is now supposed to be shaded silver lol #but thats why his coat pattern is on the darker side compared to what it *should* be #og elias bouchard coming from an important/roch family and while whole thing with thinking he just *deserves* stuff bc of his upbringing. #etc. -> he is purebred and matches the breed standards etc for a scottish fold of his color #obviously the eye color doesn't matter because. ahaha #i thought elias fit the Scottish fold vibes because: Scottish folds are known for looking sort of like owls and having intense eyes #and the cat body/face type (also present in british shorthairs) to me gives off sort of... unnasumming vibes? #like ahaha yes i am a boring boss who loves paperwork look at how unnasumming i am season 1-2 elias y'know #trying to think of what cat breed jonah would be. and also jon gerry etc you know all the other characters i like #would it be boring to have multiple british shorthairs #i mean.. #Michael shelley/distortion is a laperm that's all I know #i didn't particularly care with the personality attributes associated with eliascat because it didn't need to fit his personality on account #of not being his original body. but i do try to keep in mind the best personality/look/etc. cat attributes as a whole for a character #also sometimes get obsessed with jt making historical and geographical sense but then it just limits me greatly to a point im not into it #so i don't care about specific breeds in that respect lol #tma #my art #elias bouchard #the magnus archives #some notes looking back(made it 2 hours ago but still looking back ok..) on it now are that i feel like elias would never choose this breed #for his next bodyhop because of the inherent health issues in scottish folds. I saw the breed was created in like the early 1960s and #assumed that maybe the health issues wouldn't have been common knowledge until later enough for jonah to be unaware of them but actually no #there's legislation about it like 6 years later LOL so jonah would..maybe not make this choice #i guess in the future when drawing i will just make him a British shorthair #my catTMA is simultaneously 'they are just regular cats or like all show cats or something' and 'exact tma plot but as intelligent cats' #LOL its just vague in my mind idk..also maybe jon can be an Abyssinian #ALSO WHAT WAS I THINKING 'jonah may not have been aware about x thing' like did i...did i forget. me 2 hours ago was dumb as rocks

[manglam-marfach]

dyke!Chilaios has me understanding breeding kink all of a sudden

#chilaios #that's a lie i understand breeding kink very well lmao #HOWEVER IT MUST BE SAID #they finish up a great scene. hot lesbian sex. all going well. #and laios lies back with her eyes closed. still flushed and sweaty. she rests her naked hand on her naked lower stomach and says. 'hah.... #'did you know ...that tallmen and halflings can have kids together?' Like its just another fun monster fact. #she's trailing her fingers absentmindedly over her stomach now. tracing idle patterns. #'with our lifespans being so similar it isn't even as big a deal as it is for elves and humans. they're even fertile and that's ... #that's really rare for hybrids.' her eyes are still closed. she swallows hard. She's more red now than she was when they fucked. #'you should talk about that next time you're in me. i'd like it...' and she cracks one eye open a sliver #to see chilchuck . BEET. RED. #because Chilchuck DID NOT. KNOW. #She was already fucked out and now she's dying?? she's dying. Laios still has her huge hand resting on her huge smooth stomach #miles and miles of soft skin...that she wants chilchuck to put a BABY in #she's thought about the hypothetical lifespan and safety of the hypothetical baby! is this just a sex thing? is this a for real thing? #chilchuck does not know and does not know which one she's hoping for now!! cause both sound GREAT #AND OF COURSE THERE'S ALSO #chilchuck remembering that conversaion next time Laios's huge huge fingers are inside her. Laios's hot wet breathing by her ear. #Laios's breathing going ragged even though no one is touching HER she is the one toying with Chilchuck right now. She always does that. #between the breathing and the fingers and the warmth and the smell Laios is all around her and she just thinks - #'Laios is so huge. Laios's baby would be so huge. I'd be so huge. Pregnant with it.' And she cums. #rattles her to her fucking core. Chilchuck who HAS BEEN PREGNANT BEFORE realising. holy shit. #i want this fluffy haired socially awkward 26 year old doggirl to . to fuck a baby into me. in a sexy way. #i think . I think it's hot. #enough to turn you to drink isn't it! #u may ask - hey how come chilchuck has a girlcock and has got pregnant? can laios get chilchuck pregnant? #does anyone even have a womb in this situation? I may answer - don't worry about it #a wizard did it. whatever. its a fantasy world. #whatever is sexiest in the moment i don't care #lesbiance

[abirddogmoment]

In the same vein as my Dog Thoughts post about performance foundations last night, the more I watch Sports People, the more motivated I am to distance myself from them and be done with dog sports completely.

#i had this thought while i was still actively competing #but mav was one of the top performers for his breed for his entire career and that is addictive #photographing events this summer doglessly made it sooooo clear that i dont want to associate with Sports People #no offense to those of you who are Sports People but it is so not my vibe #i have FOMO for sure but is it enough to return to that?? #(there is an argument to be made that people need to see more people having fun in the ring and keeping it light - #but i am a competitive person and honestly there were periods where i was NOT keeping it light and thats not cool) #i can see how easily i can be sucked back in #i unfollowed and blocked sooooo many people because i simple Do Not Want To See It #idk its the same vein as calling your dog bad or asshole as a 'joke' #is it actually a joke or are you harbouring resentment and justifying it as a joke? #im not sure how exactly they're similar but in my heart they are #there is a very specific flavour thats prominent in dog sports and it is not the right flavour for me #hmm im posting a lot of text posts about my thoughts in the last 24h hope this is out of my system now #back to regular queued pictures of the pubby tysm #eta: this includes confo people btw #it should be Competition People i suppose #sports are at the forefront of my brain because i was so deeply involved for years #but ive photographed enough confo shows to know that is also not the vibe

[crykea]

I don't rlly trust those ppl who wholeheartedly believe that cats r better than dogs or you can trust cat people more because "cats have boundaries and you know who will respect boundaries if they like cats" because that just proves to me you Don't respect dogs boundaries lol

#i knooooowwwww thats not why they say it and im hearing it in a cant read exagerations way #but if you think dogs dont have boundaries that you need to respect you Will get bitten #have you ever seen a chihuahua??? they are not even people just dont respect their boundaries #same with 'problematic' dogs like bully breeds german shepards etc etc #hell my younger brother got bitten by Our golden retriever growing up for not respecting his boundaries #all animals have tells and no matter whether youre a dog or cat person you must learn to read and respect those tells #if you want to continue to be around those animals #theyre all different ! two cats can have different boundaries the same as two dogs can have diff boundaries #ugh #idk i HATE hearing that phrase as someone who has grown up not just with dogs #but Reactive dogs #like you say that and i know i dont want you around sophie kind of thing

[horatioo]

this might be controversial but i think everyone's gotten a little bit too comfortable with un-personing people / calling people "inhuman"

#not to say people cant be Absolutely Disgusting pieces of shit #but like. you really shouldnt be unpersoning anyone #that BREEDS bias and the idea that if you know someone suuuuper well they cant do something bad #your neighbor who gives you sweets cant be a zionist! shes so nice! #your friends ex who helped you buy textbooks and stayed up late with you couldnt be abusive! theyre so sweet! #your uncle whos a cop cant be racist! hes one of the good ones you know him! #and that is dangerous dangerous thinking #because people can do bad things even if you know them #and even if they do absolutely awful things #they are still people #as an aside this does in fact mean everyone deserves basic human rights

[reptiphoric]

So every so often I make the (poor) decision to peruse my local craigslist ads to see what's looking good in the neighborhood. Well, today I came across an ad posted by someone who needed to rehome their ball python since they're moving soon and couldn't take her with, and as you all know I'm always more than happy to take in a spider morph if it means keeping one more off of the breeding market...

Everyone say hi to Tipsy!

#She's a lil sweetie #Was gonna name her Weeble #But I asked her owner if she had a name and when they told me her name was Tipsy I couldnt bring myself to rename her #So Weeble is saved for another day #ball python #snake #reptiles #royal python #python regius #note that I only take in spiders as pet only animals and never directly from breeders who seek profit from breeding the morph #her wobble varies but as you can see from the photo she definitely is affected by it in casual/low stress settings #spider morph

[merakiui]

Maybe this is me realizing the effects of childbirth but with how much the fish mafia just loves breeding I wonder how they'll react to their darling being insecure with their new stretch marks. Even better! What if this was SK!Jade orz orz I think they wouldn't care but I'd like to believe Floyd doesn't wake up everyday and just boisterously dotes on them to fuck with you 😭

Floyd absolutely dotes on them!!! He thinks your stretch marks are so cute! You look even more soft and squeezable! He will remind you of how cute you are every single day, all with a bright, genuine smile! You’re perfect as you are. He loves you no matter what. <3

Azul likes to kiss each stretch mark. He knows very well how certain features can cause for self-consciousness, but he thinks you are absolutely beautiful. He treasures every mark on your body. What you might think is ugly or an insecurity is what Azul calls perfection. He adores every inch of you.

Sk!Jade will trace each mark with his finger, mapping out every path against your skin, all while telling you that for each mark you have you are ten times beautiful. As always, he’s dangerously charming. He’ll make you trace them with him, sometimes even holding your hand and guiding it along the marks while he assures you that you’re the prettiest in his world. And you know this is true because anyone else who may have been pretty in his eyes have wound up in his next meal and so they’re no longer part of any world.

#twisted chit chat #serial killer jade #i think it’s also important to note that as much as the trio like breeding (it’s in their nature as mers!!) #they are probably all very big fans of having sex with their darling when darling is pregnant <3 #this goes for savanaclaw too #and diasomnia of course!!! malleus is not exempt from the breeding kink diagnosis >:D #i need to discuss ruggie who accidentally gets his darling pregnant #and neither have the funds for raising or supporting a child #so they’re both trying to figure out what to do because it was one night and they’re not even together #but the more ruggie thinks of you and the fact that he can be a father… the more he starts to fall for you!!!! #he realizes he can just mooch off of leona if he’s truly desperate and wants to stay home to support you <3 #too many ruggie thoughts orz he’s one of my favorites yet i never talk about him #i must change this… orz

[bloodyheartscult546]

damn i really want to just be held rn, just be pulled close and for them to kiss my neck gently, before slowly groping me and fingering me as I fall asleep and then when I'm really deep, fuck me and fill me up so fucking good

#haha I'm definitely normal you guys #cnc somno #somno fantasy #somno k!nk #soft somno #breeding k1nk #bd/sm breeding #btw just in general anyone who isn't an arsehole can interact but no dms if you're over 21 #if you know me from my main (if we're mutuals) you can ofc text me

[gynandromorph]

Watching Animal Planet's The Most Extreme and the Jessies have shown up twice, once as one of the Extreme Breeders (the baby jessies were ridiculous I love them) and as one of the Extreme Eaters (Jessie came out of a wombats stomach and then ate it). Anyways great choice of animal

i miss the most extreme so much 😭

#i assume they are devils because honey badgers are pretty normie breeding-wise #they only have one cub at a time #meanwhile... devils having 50 at a time eating the ones who don't make it to a nipple first.......... #i hope there was a shiloh in the most extreme breeders because they are truly the most fucked up mammal in that regard #you can just google pregnant queen naked mole rat and it all makes sense

[thegreatestheaver]

I hate when people ask you something about an interest you have and when you answer they’re like “how do you know?” I’m going to murder you

#not in the curious way I mean the condescending way. #this is specifically about tarantula mating. no my tarantulas cannot mate. no they cant make a hybrid. #do i need to sit you down and tell you about mechanical isolation. they are two different genus'. yes theyre closely related. #no they cannot mate. tehy dont have compatable reproductive organs. do i need to sit you down and explain that or can you shut up when i sa #no they cant breed #like. again i love when ppl ask me stuff about bugs i love to infodump but like. #ok eyah this post is abt someone who keeps asking me this (nbh) and like. hes like why dont you breed your spiders #and im like oh well first of all theyre not mature seconf of all they cant even breed #and hes like oh just have them make a hybrid and im like no they cant breed they cant make a hybrid #AND HES LIKE. oh why dont you try tho like how do you know like what if they make a new species. #im going to kill youand hang you on a fucking meat hook ok ? #like. lIKE. HE DOENST LISTNEN TO ME WHEN I TELL HIM THINGS.' #do ineed to sit you down and tell you that the brachypelma genus' copulatory organs are too small compared to the tliltocatl's #do i need to tell you that the brachypelma genus' spermathica baseplate is much stronger and harder than the tliltocatl's. and therefore- #-the male tliltocatyl could not penetrate it. do i need to explain bug sex to you or are you gonna trust me bro #IKNOW WTA IM TALKIGN ABOUT PELALSSEE #not a big deal just. a major pet peeve of mine\ #hollowspeak

[savingthrcw]

@galaeus [ CONCEAL ] our muses haven’t had time to slow down so receiver has been hiding a serious injury which sender finally uncovers. (lucy)

Lucy almost can't take it anymore, but she grits her teeth and refuses to slow down. It's still not safe, but safer, with a robust door behind them, when she chooses to sit on one of the big crates against the wall.

"Could you check if there is a switch there? I need to catch my breath..." She needs a stimpack, her leg has been bleeding for too long, especially because she hasn't allowed herself to limp. But they were surrounded earlier and Echo needed to focus on the road. She has given Echo her pipboy too, already programmed to hack, this way even if she passes out they'll be fine. Probably. Maybe. "I think... I think we could probably get the security robot to help us, if the terminal in the other room still works..." her voice is growing smaller, and she rests her head against the wall behind her, wondering if she can't get a little sleep first instead.

#thank you for sending!!! #maybe they bumped into each other AND had to hide in the sewers because Bad People are outside?? so they can still have their moment #to talk about who they are and everything! #galaeus #show: fallout #lucy thread; #lucy answers; #Lucy closed starter; #a rare breed #muse: lucy