#titans and serpents

[cuties-in-codices]

birth of serpents from the blood of titans

illustration for the "theriaca" by 2nd-century bc greek poet nicander of colophon, constantinople, 10th century

source: Paris, BnF, Supplément grec 247, fol. 47r

#10th century #medieval art #nicander of colophon #theriaca #serpents #titans #mythology #illuminated manuscript #greek mythology

[ghurab-alzilal]

Raven: Oh my gosh, this serpent is so cute.

Damian: You say cute, I say an absolute nightmare.

Raven: Hey! Things can be cute and an absolute nightmare. Just look at you.

Damian, tsking : For your sake, I'll pretend I only heard that you think I'm cute.

#Babybat doesn't like serpents #But he likes Raven so can tolerate serpents #sometimes #Based in ''Li'l Gotham n° 6 (2012)'' btw #damirae #demonbirds #damian wayne #damianwayne #damian robin #robin dc #robin damian #dc robin #robin #rachel roth #rachelroth #raven roth #ravenroth #raven dc #raven teen titans #raven #damian x raven #damian and raven #damianxraven

[zorphie]

doodle page of these guys bc im insane hello🤭

#wizard101 #w101 #zorphie art #oc #oc: erin #oc: quinn #oc: althea #hey mind if i........ Inhales so loudly and starts rambnlinf #the dragon twins :)))) #these two arent from the spiral. theyre from a part of the firsr world that failed to integrate and was forgotten about #in stories about them theyre just called ice wyvern and fire dragon (salt) #so when they come into the spiral theyre condused about the whole spell cards thing. why are they on a card. its uncanny. #ice wyvern was actually one of the hardest spell for quinn to learn because ironically he couldnt get along with it #also hes an actual dragon not a fluffy serpent. doubly confused. yeah theyre trying their best #althea is their mom shes a seraph #they are so average annoyinh siblings. god. lpve that for them #they can't turn into dragons too much because their genetic makeup is weird after reincarnation its a ..Whole Thing don't worry about it #titan genes with human doesnt work too well I think . 🤔 #also yeah erin is technically classified as a shadow creature #a shadow creature is going to ravenwood and taking classes there that's the funniest shit ever yeah ambrose hates him #only reason he isnt expelledyet is bc his mom works there .well wait until he saves the spiral too or something for the full w101 experienc #hes so emo but hes so silly I swearrrr. he gives friendship bracelets to his buddies with the fire emblem on it #so they can contact him. wah #he also works at the fairegrounds on the side hes. hes.. a clown. in some way. yeah. #their pets are twins too um I was gonan draw them but lazy #ANYWSYD THEY ARE SO DEAR TO ME I MISS THEM . #their backstory sucksss i'll share it one day because im finalizing/editing things idk </3 but for now . silley

[0daughter-of-apollo0]

Welp, we learn new things everyday, don't we?

#sadie kane #carter kane #tkc #the red pyramid #the serpents shadow #the throne of fire #pjo #percy jackson #annabeth chase #the crown of ptolemy #the last olympian #The sea of monsters #the titans curse #the kane chronicles #the lightning thief #battle of the labyrinth

[alephskoteinos]

I have located an early Christian discourse in which Satan is explicitly linked to the Titans, possibly to Typhon by extension. Both the Christian Origen of Alexandria and the pagan Celsus agree on the myth of the Titanomachy as the basis of the myth of the Fall of Satan.

Celsus, as quoted by Origen, accused Christians of impiety by posing an adversary to God - that being The Devil, or rather Satan. Celsus argued that Christianity poses a God that desires to do good but is helpless to do it because he has someone (Satan) counterveiling his will. Then, Celsus discusses ancient mythology concerning war among the gods. He focuses specifically on a myth told by Pherecydes of Syros, in which in the gods Kronos and Ophioneus raise their armies against each other in a battle to determine who will rule the cosmos.

At this point we need to step back a bit. Ophioneus, or Ophion, is the name of a serpent deity who seems to represent the forces of chaos. In some myths, Ophioneus is presented as the first divine ruler of the cosmos, though Pherecydes doesn't agree with that. As for Kronos, it is possible that in Pherecydes' myth this refers to both the Titan Kronos and Chronos the personification of time. The two figures are not traditionally conflated with each other, but it seems that Pherecydes probably did interpret them as being the same deity. In Pherecydes' myth, Kronos and Ophioneus battle each other before the ordering of the cosmos begins, though the full account of this battle is not entirely clear. Celsus believed that the loser of this battle, Ophion, was cast into the ocean (or rather Oceanus).

Some fragments seem to support the notion that it is Oceanus rather than Tartarus that Ophion is cast down into. But Ophioneus seems to also be considered identical or parallel to Typhon, who, in Greek mythology, was cast down into Tartarus or under Etna after his defeat by Zeus. It is possible that Ophion may have been thought to be born in Tartarus, which Pherecydes depicts as a cave below the earth, whereas Typhon was also born in a cave as the son of Gaia (earth) and Tartaros.

One thing to note is that, for Pherecydes, unlike many other ancient cosmogonies, it seems there is no primordial chaos that precedes an act of primeval demiurgy resulting in cosmic order. Instead, the forces of order and chaos existed besides each other forever and in conflict. For Pherecydes there was also no creation out of nothing. Instead, three gods were the first to exist all along: Zas (Zeus), Chthonie (Ge/Gaia), and Kronos/Chronos. He believed that these gods existed eternally, and that Chaos somehow came to be with no explanation.

Anyway, Celsus brings up Pherecydes' myth while discussing the concept of Satan, and then says that the Greek myths concerning the Titans and/or the Giants, and the Egyptian myths concerning Typhon (obviously meaning Set in this context) shared a similar symbolic meaning. He also relates that Hepheastus told Hera that he once felt the might of Zeus and hurled down from Olympus, and that Zeus boasted to Hera of how he bound and hung her in golden chains and hurled all the gods who opposed him from Olympus, as if to relate these to the Fall.

Celsus then does something interesting: he identifies the words of Zeus to Hera with the word of God to matter, arguing that this signifies matter that was originally was in discord before God then took and bound it together and arranged it with law, and then banished disorder. Demons who create disorder in the cosmos are related in Celsus' analogy to Titans and rebelling gods: they are chastised and hurled down. Tartarus, according to both Celsus and Pherecydes, is the place where Zeus banishes disorderly or insolent gods: in a word, prison.

Origen seems to actually agree with this analogy. In fact, in Book 4 of Against Celsus, Origen referred to "earthly demons, who delight in frankincense, and blood, and in the exhalations of sacrificial odours, and who, like the fabled Titans or Giants, drag down men from thoughts of God". Moreover, Origen argued that the writings of Moses mentioned a "wicked one" and his "falling from heaven" before the time of Homer and Pherecydes. Origen believed that Satan was the serpent that tempted Adam and Eve and that this was the original myth behind Ophioneus. If Origen interprets Satan as Ophioneus, then I would argue that he implies this connection for Typhon, and the Titans and Giants in relation to his demonic host. Origen also says that Satan is the "destroying angel" and the scapegoat Azazel.

This is interesting to consider in light of Plutarch and other sources whereby Typhon Seth is represented as a sacrificial animal. For Plutarch, Typhon is destined to never be completely defeated, and his power resides in the sacrificed animals and their slain blood, which, for Plutarch, ultimately nourishes the cosmos at least in the act of sacrifice, which pleases the powers of Osiris and Isis.

In any case, Origen seems to agree with Celsus on the Titanic-Satanic analogy, with the difference being that Celsus thinks the Christians were simply imitating pre-Christian myths while Origen thinks the Christian narrative preceded those same myths.

It might be worth noting that 2 Peter 2:4 says that God did not spare the angels who "sinned" against him, and that he threw them into "the pit". This is sometimes rendered as "hell", but in the Greek New Testament "the pit" is translated as Tartarus. Yes, none other than Tartarus, the prison of the Titans, and perhaps of Typhon and Kronos. From the pagan (or at least Celsian) standpoint at least, the parallels could not be clearer than this.

#satan #typhon #seth typhon #celsus #origen #greek mythology #titanomachy #titans #pherecydes #ophion #ophioneus #serpents #paganism #roman polytheism #tartarus #the fall #the fall of satan

[phoenixkaptain]

Aqualad is brutal, man.

Fighting a giant conquistadore robot: “This is what Peace Corps work is?”

While Robin is trying to work out how an untouched bulldozer suddenly rolled itself into the water: “You figure out the plot, Robin, while I get that dozer up.”

When Kid Flash asks Robin for a simpler explanation: “Sure, Kid Flash, for you, we’ve got the ten-cent special. It never happened— we all dreamed it!”

When one guy says his people fear the weird animals with human faces: “Brother, so do I!”

This account is now a 60s Aqualad fan account.

#the inane ramblings of a madman #teen titans #60s teen titans #aqualad #robin #kid flash #aqualad saves robin from a serpent monster #by spinning it around until it lets go of rob #then they surface and aqualad like #tries to comfort robin? #just ‘we’re okay now robin’ #aqualad’s amazing powers of observation #are useless when he’s distracted by robin #or so i assume since he completely missed the weird guy shooting into the water with a gun #i love aqualad he’s so squishy

[ashwings-woah]

had an evil idea

what if similar to firescales there were certain "curses" for each clade given how pretty much all of them are kind of enchanted forever. something gone wrong in Permafrost's animus enchantment gives very few dragons powers and abilities not seen in any regular ones. no one really knows the what or how or why, except that it's extremely rare, and these "frost touched" dragons usually hatch before disastrous events to be either the salvation or the doombringer

#text #i already have ideas for each one in my notes app. malice #like ill give the full context when i release the doc since this is very breif but they go like this #moor: illusory powers. connected to the mysterious fog in the misty spires #swamp: almost immediater healing. hydra #gorge: living sharp metal. nearly impenetrable armor. titanic strength #mountain: phoenix. can set themselves on fire monstrous nightmare style. slight pyrokinesis #woods: made out of ice lol maybe osme control over weather/wind. gotta think about this one more #coast: sea serpent whisperers. can make water surges and currents as well as manipulate shadows underwater. connection to the abyss #these are still like. incomplete again. gotta think about them more but i ljke where this is going

[yonderoo]

Here Be Dragons

As I gaze upon this majestic tableau, I am transported to a realm where the mountains themselves bow in reverence to the titans that roam the skies. Here, before us, stretches a canvas of the world untamed, a landscape where the clouds whisper secrets to the soaring peaks.

Behold, the dragon! With wings unfurled, a canopy of fiery orange, it commands the heavens. Its scales, a mosaic of emerald and copper, glint like a trove of jewels bestowed upon the earth by the gods of old. This creature, this paragon of might and magic, rides the gusts with the grace of a sovereign without a crown. Its eyes, aglow with the wisdom of eons, survey the world below with a piercing intensity. It is the guardian of mysteries, the keeper of the eternal flame.

In its presence, we are reminded of the tales spun by the hearth—a tapestry of heroes and monsters, of battles fought in the shadow of such titanic beings. This dragon, with horns that aspire to pierce the firmament, is more than a mere beast; it is a symbol of all that is wild and free, a relic from an age when the world was still a map of wonder, waiting to be charted.

As storytellers, we are drawn to these vistas that exist beyond the reach of ordinary life, where our dreams take flight on dragon wings. And so, we commit this image to memory, a reminder of the boundless imagination that dwells within us all, whispering ever so gently, "There be dragons."

How to draw a dragon head (source: Yonderoo)

#painting #fantasy art #dragon in flight #majestic dragons #mountain realm #mythic creatures #fantasy landscape #winged serpent #epic fantasy #sky titan #dragon lore #ancient guardian #mythical beast #soaring dragon #emerald scales #copper scales #treasure trove #high fantasy #realm of magic #storytelling inspiration #wild and free

[stormvanari]

wish I could fully color it, but low motivation sucks (anyways, Kelpie-like Basilisk anyone?), and this is the voice claim

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Since this is on the main TOH tag, this is a redesign of Darian, Adrian Graye’s inventive twin who is inspired by the basilisk theory (and coven banner too). Most of the info here is a recap, but I’mma simplify it from an old post:

Pre-TOH: Darian, along with his twin Adrian, was involved in the basilisk experiments conducted by the Emperor’s Coven. Because the treatment was horrible, Darian led the basilisks to escape the coven’s grasp. However, a fight erupted between coven members (including Warden Wrath) and it cost Darian’s tail. It was violent that he let the basilisks escape on their own, while he pushed their enemies back. He tried to rescue his twin, but when Belos appeared to round up the basilisks, Darian was forced to flee immediately.

TOH: For years, Darian had remained elusive to public, only appearing as a mysterious regular for the Night Market and Eda’s “Human Treasure” shop. Additionally, he got himself a concealment stone to hide his identity as a basilisk, and settled in a cave located at the center of the Titan (near Glandus) that would become his hideout. Darian gathered a bunch of ideas about the human realm, but he was more interested about their machinery. It inspired him to create his signature prosthetic and shape-shifting tail, which is powered up by illusion magic. In addition, since he had to supply his hideout with defense equipment, Darian became a master thief across the Boiling Isles.

I was going to include Darian’s Post DoU arc, but because I’m waiting for “For the Future” (and maybe the final special after that if I need to bridge it out more) to release in order to kinda stick to canon, that’ll be on a different post or smthn. I already formed the Titan’s Council and Darian is a member of it, but I’ll keep that just in case if I’m not too satisfied with the ending....

#the owl house #titan’s council #toh oc #adrian graye vernworth #adrian graye #darian vernworth #reuploaded cause I added stuff here #i was inspired by a hc from @/your-local-ruebit-hole-detective about one of Adrian’s parents being a sea serpent

[maybeaspider]

The color wheel meme, plus a version with a little simulated chromatic aberration.

#my art #color wheel challenge #chromatic aberration #chunli #washu hakubi #the thing #naga the serpent #rhea #persona 3 #teen titans #the big o

[dragonbane123]

WARNING: Multiple Leviathan Lifeforms Detected

#titanic #titanic submarine #oceangate #sea monster #sea serpent

[anzullic]

The World Serpent Jormungandr.

#mrprofdrwilliam #jormungandr #world serpent #thor #norse mythology #infinity sign #rock #mythological creatures #scandinavia #ragnarök #serpent deity #god #norse symbols #myth #epic artwork #clash of the titans #symbolism #asgard #norse legends #mythology art #supernatural being #snake #lightning #thunder #courage #motivation #art #redbubble

[shiningstages]

Okay I lied to myself yesterday; got rid of Haruhi, Mokou, and Lilia as muses ( for now ). But that's all of the muse cleanup I have in me rn ghjfhgdhfgxhcf I'm gonna try and queue up stuff before I go to work.

#;big bubble blowing baby! ( ooc ) #( tonight / tomorrow may be the day i finally make my really simple tags #that will be easier for me to find with the way tags just kinda...find the beginning of the tag? if that makes sense #and then i'm not gonna have fancy verse names anymore BUT #i'll try and make character posts about verses #like whenever i think of it ghgxfghjxfh and then tag that accordingly; so people can know #but anyways i'm thinking about atlas gbf oc again #did you know atlas actually holds up the celestial sphere instead of the terrestial sphere? yeah adding that in for him #he's brothers with titan; yet i still don't know if i wanna make him a primal or an astral #astral-wise: the creator of titan in his brother's image / the image his brother seeked #primal-wise: made to be stronger than his brother; and also based on the astrology skyfarers created #moon people involvement? maybe #he'd vibe with arulumaya; isaac; titan; that one wizard book guy with gray hair i can't remember his name - #philosophers love him! history hates him! #do i make him buff or very scrawny................hmmmmmmmmmmmmm #NOT THE ATALAS WIKI BEING LIKE “see also: bahamut; under world-bearing animals” #LIKE OH NO NOW I WANNA CONNECT THIS #me seeing world serpent in that category and having a brief honkai collapse #ANYWAYS i'll think more about atlas............later..........probably at work but not take notes ghfjdghfgfdhfcgj )

[alargehunkofdebris]

Why There’ll Never Be Another Good Omens 2 Experience

The strangest thing happened after a few days post my watching of S2. I got a wave of real, bittersweet sadness.

Not due to the obvious – I was dealing with that too, but with more excitement than anything – but because I realized something, as a writer and consumer of media. I realized that it’s unlikely I’ll ever get a media experience close to what I experienced at the end of Good Omens 2. Because really, its setup was absolutely unparalleled – in general, and for myself personally.

I am currently writing my third romance, and what I’ve learned primarily about the genre, the way for it to really work, is that there needs to be something keeping the couple apart initially. The more things keeping the couple apart, the stronger the romance hits. The more the couple clashes with each other, the better it is. Societal norms, class issues, initial dislike, literal danger—all these aspects are what make a romance a story. It’s that conflict that creates the compelling narrative. No romance was ever popular because things worked out well from the beginning – it’s that “look at what we were, and look at us now” aspect that gives readers/watchers that satisfaction. It’s the “I can’t believe this happened” effect. The “I would never have foreseen this” effect. The “they’ll never be together” effect. It’s why forbidden romances are so incredibly popular.

Another aspect that makes a romance story really work well is the amount of time it takes for the romance to develop. A couple that gets together after a few days? Eh, it’s tricky. You better make it really dramatic somehow. A great example is Titanic – class differences, betrothal, and a huge amount of danger threatens this couple, so them being in love after only a few days works. But what really sells this one is because we can see how this romance has survived beyond those few days. We see it 80 years in the future, still there, in the memory of Rose. That is why it hits so hard. Romances that span over long periods of time (especially ones that are bittersweet/tragic) hit so much more than ones spanning a short period.

But wait! There’s more!

You can up this effect by not only having the romance take time in story…but having it take time in real life, for the viewer/reader.

This is why romances in TV shows that take years to finally work out are so compelling. It’s that “Pam and Jim” effect, that will-they-won’t-they deal. We are waiting right along with them, and we’re feeling that same relief when all those things keeping them apart finally fall away. This is harder to pull off, because there’s never that guarantee that the story will make it that far. TV shows get cancelled, creators lose interest or die, etc. So it’s not just “Will They, Won’t They,” it’s “Will They, Won’t They, Can They Even Try?”

This is also compounded by that fear that it won’t happen in-story after all, and while in romances you’re pretty positive that things work out (they kinda have to, for it to be labeled a “romance”) in other media, there’s always that possibility. Look at Community – there’s a forbidden/conflict-ridden romance that didn’t end up working out, even though it was “Will They, Won’t They”d for six entire seasons. You also then have shows and ships where fans are almost sure it won’t happen, but still hold out hope. (See: Supernatural, Sherlock, etc.)

Now. Now look at Good Omens. Look at that absolutely unparalleled, unbelievable set up. It’s unbelievable because it takes almost every single thing that makes a romance compelling, and not only uses all of them, but dials them up to 11.

Why are they at odds? Why are they forbidden from being together?

Because they are literally the most opposing forces you can imagine in Western Canon. They are the Angel Guarding The Gate and The Serpent of Eden. The literal only way you could’ve made this a bigger deal would’ve been to make it God and Satan, and even that would’ve not hit as hard, because it’d be like two CEOs getting together – there’s no fear of a higher power adding that delicious conflict. And to add to all this, in real life, the couple is portrayed as two men, which adds that second meta level of conflict.

And what fear/danger is keeping this couple apart?

Not just familial disappointment—but disappointment from God and Heaven and Hell. Not just moral guilt, but the guilt of potentially dooming the entire Earth. And finally, on top of that, the very real danger of being killed. Not only that, but making it as though you never even existed.

And in real life, they face all those roadblocks that queer couples in media have been battling for years and years, but I'll talk about that more in a second.

Okay, then Time. How long have they been kept apart?

For…all of it.

All of the time that ever existed.

They, quite literally, could not have been kept apart longer.

And this leads into those final two points, the ones that actually really sell it. Because I can sit down right now and write a story about an angel and a demon falling for each other at the beginning of time against all odds…but what I can’t do is to have already written it thirty-three years ago.

That’s how long this story has existed. Thirty. Three. Years.

I’m not even counting how this is using characters that have existed as opposing forces for thousands of years. I’m not even saying that, even though that’s also a part of it. But besides that, this story, this exact story started thirty-three years ago, and is still being continued by the author to this day.

Do you know how uncommon that is?

Yes, we have canon that has lasted for many, many years. Hundreds. We get new versions of beloved older stories ever year. But it’s so very rare that they are by the same creator. We get new Sherlock Holmes content, but it is not written by Arthur Conan Doyle. This, on the other hand, is actual canon content, written by the author of the original. That is unbelievably rare.

That means we’ve got a fandom where some people have grown up with these characters. People who read it at twenty are fifty-three. People who read it at fifty are eighty-three. Kids who saw their parents reading the book now have children of their own. It is a cult classic that has been in the hearts of so many people for generations. Me, personally, I fell in love with it ten years ago, at age twenty, at the very beginning of my own writing journey. This story means so much to people, because it’s stood that test of time.

And yet, this story was never explicitly romantic. So many saw it that way, but it was never something confirmed. Because this was a book from the 90s, at a time where this kind of romance just wasn’t in popular media if it wasn’t played as a joke. It was, back then, the same kind of “forbidden” as a romance between angel and demon. So people imagined, but they never expected anything more. And they’ve continued not expecting more, because even in the 2019 first season, there was never any true confirmation of anything, and people accepted it. You have a 33-year-old story here – it’s possible that this major change/confirmation could happen, but all things considered, it was unlikely. You would never blame the creator for not making major developments to a story they wrote with their late friend a lifetime ago. And no one in production was saying a word to confirm or deny, but we’ve seen all this before. It was a Will-They-Won’t-They…Probably-Not situation.

And then you have the end of S2.

And that's where that bittersweet sadness comes in for me, personally. Not at a huge level, not to the point where I'd have it any other way, but it's there regardless. Because I realized that this was a unique situation that could never be replicated, for me, and likely for many, especially readers of the book pre-show. In all likelihood, I would never again experience a romantic payoff like this one. Because it was the most forbidden of forbidden romances, the couple of which have been kept apart by the worst of all dangers and highest level of guilt for the longest amount of time literally possible, written over a real-life span of time where this kind of romance went from “completely taboo even in real life” to “finally acceptable in popular media,” written by the same creator, and not confirmed as canon until the story reached the age of Jesus Christ himself.

And the real kicker is, even after everything these two literally star-crossed lovers have gone through…they’re still being kept apart. They’ve still not taken down those final, seemingly insurmountable barriers between them. It wasn’t a “here you go 😊” move to make long-time fans happy – it’s being used as a perfect, painful plot point. After 33 years, we’re still having to wait longer.

Chef's kiss. Couldn’t have been a better set up if it was mathematically calculated. And yet, the best part is that it happened organically.

It just works.

#good omens #good omens 2 spoilers #go2 spoilers #good omens 2 #gos2 spoilers #good omens s2 spoilers #good omens spoilers #good omens season 2 #good omens season 2 spoilers #gos2 #good omens meta #good omens 2 meta #neil gaiman

[helluva-daughter]

So let's talk about Vivziepop's designing skills!

The amount of sadness I feel when I see Vivziepop's designs of the demons in Helluva Boss is impossibly high

Simply comparing them from where she is pulling from feels like looking at a newborn compared to a grandma. Now let's go through them!

Lucifer

Viv's Lucifer, a popular depiction of Lucifer ("The Fallen Angel" by Alexandre Cabanel), and one with Jesus ("The Temptation of Christ" by Ary Scheffer)

You can see a big difference in a lot, as you can see Lucy (which will be Viv's version) has well. Clothing but we can give her a pass for that as I don't think Youtube would be fine with an animated dick on screen. Another thing is his lack of wings, bat-like or feathered along with blonde instead of red curled hair and yellow eyes instead of the blue Lucifer has in The Fallen Angel.

But what I see as the biggest thing is Lucy's lack of muscles! In both of these depictions I have chosen Lucifer appears muscular whilst Lucy has Viv's favorite smile and body shape.

Asmodeus

Here we have Viv's Asmodeus (Ozzie) and Asmodeus from Collin de Plancy's "Dictionnaire Infernal"

I will give Viv major props, I LOVE Ozzie's design. If we removed the feathers, made his head bigger, and some small things it would be AMAZING! But comparing it to Asmodeus it's... wooo.... very different.

First you can see is Asmodeus does not look conventionally attractive with his strange old man face, elf ears, bull head, ram head, serpent tail, and literal chicken legs. Ozzie does have the 2 heads on his shoulders (just very small) and a tail (not a serpent one) but other than that the similarities end. Though I do think taking Asmodeus the direction to being physically attractive to most people was a good way to go.

A personal nit pick is the clear lack of a BADASS DRAGON. Yes, Asmodeus has a BADASS DRAGON. On his little Dictionnaire Infernal image he's sitting on a BADASS DRAGON which he holds a banner as he rides. Viv you could have made Fizz a cool dragon demon! Make him look LESS like Blitz's twin brother and more like something that related to the Ars Goetia canon.

Beelzebub

Now this is Viv's Beelzebub and a fly-like Beelzebub (Beelzebul) (I've left out the more manly versions of Beelzebub to keep it fair as Beelzebub is a woman)

So a big thing we can see is Beelzebub is a furry whilst Beelzebul is a straight up fly, taking the term "Lord of the Flies" much more seriously. Now comparing these two is basically impossible minus their wings and extra arms. Now with them looking nothing alike I'll put some of my own personal critique's in.

One, Beelzebub's hair and tail makes me want to vomit. It's constantly moving thus every frame it must be moved which is HORRIBLE on an animation stand point. Two, Her clothes. A direct quote from the Helluva Boss wiki says "Beelzebub represents the animal tamer/animal shows" when her clothing looks like that it's hard to believe. If it was casual clothes? Okay I'd believe that but it being her debut episode wouldn't you want her in her normal clothes? And that's ignoring her magical disappearing bra... is that just an arm strap? Three, the ear thing. God the ear thing! Viv said they were supposed to appear like beehives... girl what beehives have you been seeing? Maybe she meant honeycomb? Still I see zero resemblance.

Mammon

Here we have Viv's Mammon, Mammon (Mam) from the painting "The Worship of Mammon" by Evelyn De Morgan, and Mammon (Mon) from Collin de Plancy's "Dictionnaire Infernal"

As we can see Mammon looks like the Teen Titans Go Robin mixed with a Christmas tree, the Christmas theming is quite clever I'll give Viv that. Christmas is a time of greedily taking all that is given to you through gifts. Now I could complain about how Mammon is poor rep for a fat character and simply is a widened version of her normal body type but I already made a post about that

But comparing him to Mam and Mon? Nothing similar. Mam we can see appears like a very large naked buff dark skinned man whilst Mon is a freakish old man with wide eyes and tattered clothes. Mammon shares zero similarities to either of them.

Another thing is Mammon's monster form... I believe everybody has seen it and hochie momma it is HORRIBLE! From the screenshots I've seen we don't see all of it but he's clearly intended to be a spider of sorts which is great! Spiders can often be seen with 6 flies trapped on their web being hoarded for later but Viv seems to have taken the lazy route of extra legs and 2 extra set of eyes. Anthro spiders can be so so SO cool but I feel scammed. Stolen from. My life savings have been taken by this shitty design.

Paimon

Here we have Vivziepop's Paimon and Paimon (Paimonia) from Collin de Plancy's "Dictionnaire Infernal"

As we can see they appear nothing alike minus the crown and odd chicken legs though Paimon lacks the camel that Paimonia has. Paimonia also has a feminine face and a humanoid body, nothing like Paimon. Though I personally think Paimon's design is stunning what made Viv connect the two, is it because the Goetia family is intended to all be ripped from the Ars Goetia? I feel though that Paimon's design takes as much as it can from Paimonia while making him look related to Stolas but why does he need to be named Paimon?

Stolas

Here we have Vivzie's Stolas and Stolas (Stolos) from Collin de Plancy's "Dictionnaire Infernal"

So, I have a lot of issues with Stolas's design, it's ugly first of all but compared to Stolos's cute yet shocked wide eyes and charming little beak it's even more obvious how ugly it is.

First, Stolos is shown as an owl (but also is described as a Raven). which Viv got right along with keeping his crown and odd horn-like feathers. However, I believe making Stolas that skinny doesn't follow the model of most owls as they can be pretty fluffy and plump. Even Stolos has a round fluffy chest that trails into his comically long legs.

Second, that cape is very horrifying but not in a good way. Nobody wants to animate a cape with that many rips! Even if they don't have to be precise. Also, why do his buttons have no lineart when everything else around it has lineart? I have the same issue with Blitz's design and his random chest orbs.

Feel free to put in your own reblogs and replies with your opinions! You can also send in asks with designs from HH or HB that aren't linked to previously existing designs unlike these fellows and I'll throw in my personal thoughts.

-Mod Paimon

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Conan the Barbarian heads to Titan in 2023

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