#the disc horse

[nd43polyneins]

sometimes you just gotta reward yourself when you do something healthy for yourself.

[ID: a clipart image of a blue ribbon with gold accent that has been edited to have text for what the award is for. the text reads "saw an absolute dogshit take about my blorbo but did not engage with it". end ID.]

#the disc horse #nd shitposts

[itsladykit]

I will not engage in discourse. Discourse is the mind-killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will not engage with the bad takes. I will permit them to pass over me and through me. And when they have gone past I will turn the inner eye to see their path. When the discourse has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

#frank herbert's dune #mangled dude quotes #but for real it's actually an effective little chant #fandom #fandom discourse #the disc horse

[ljf613]

Alright, been a while since I said anything really Problematiqué on here and I'm bored, so I'm going to stick my hand in the hornet's nest and say that this so-called Barbie/Oscars "controversy" is dumb and contrived and incredibly absurd.

For those of you who've been living under a rock for the past couple of days (or just avoid listening to anything about Barbie and/or the Oscars, which is very sensible of you), here's a Twitter post that summed up the situation:

In other words, the very fact that Ryan Gosling was nominated for Best Supporting Actor while Margo Robbie was passed over for Best Leading Actress and Greta Gerwig was passed over for Best Director is Terrible and Misogynistic and entirely the fault of the Patriarchy.

This has got to be the most absurd take I have seen this year. (Granted, "this year" has only been about four weeks, but the point stands.)

Let me explain some things to y'all:

Barbie received EIGHT Oscar nominations. (That is, in fact, a fairly impressive showing for a glorified toy commercial.)

One of those nominations was for America Ferrera as Best Supporting Actress.

Are you guys following? Eight nominations, and apparently none of it matters because the movie didn't happen to get the two specific nominations certain people wanted it to get. And not only that, but y'all want to tear down an actor who was nominated for an award that neither Greta nor Margo was even eligible for. Seriously? Don't you people have lives?

Now, I've heard that Ryan Gosling has come out and basically said that Margo should have gotten the nomination instead of him. (I haven't looked too deeply into this because I just Don't Really Care Enough.) If that's true, it's pathetic and nonsensical.

Ryan didn't take the nomination away from either of them. He was nominated for Best Supporting Actor. It's not like Margo or Greta would have been nominated for that award if not for him, and I am almost certain that nobody on the nomination committee (or whoever decides these things) was sitting there saying, "Well, we gave Ryan Gosling a nomination, and therefore we shouldn't give one to Margo Robbie or Greta Gerwig." (I am so tired of the "someone else has something I don't and that's Not Fair and therefore they must be oppressing me" narrative.)

(As someone who didn't actually watch the movie or follow it all that closely, I can tell you this much: I saw lots of people talking about how hard Ryan Gosling was working to get this part right, and how well he did. I don't remember a single post saying the same thing about Margo Robbie. Maybe, just maybe, he got a nomination because he did an above-and-beyond spectacular job and deserved it-- and she didn't? Just possibly?)

Also, an actress getting passed over for a Best Leading Actress nomination CAN'T be misogynistic. You know why? Because who gets that nomination instead? That's right-- some other woman. And as for Best Director, there is a woman who's been nominated for that award (Justine Triet for "Anatomy of a Fall"), so it's not like they were deliberately trying to make sure no woman got the award-- they just didn't feel that Greta Gerwig made the cut.

And even if you pretend we're living in some imaginary universe where the nomination committee deliberately snubbed Margo and Greta while nominating Ryan for Sexist Reasons, why would they have given a nomination to America Ferrera?

In short, whatever the reasons Margo Robbie didn't get nominated for Best Leading Actress and Greta Gerwig didn't get a Best Director nomination, they do not and cannot include:

The committee hated "Barbie" for unspecified Patriarchy Reasons.

Ryan Gosling stole the nomination away from them.

The committee liked "Barbie" but hated all of the women involved (for Patriarchy Reasons).

#barbie 2023 #oscars 2024 #oscar nominations #thoughts #the disc horse #i will freely admit that i wasn't allowed barbies as a kid and so i don't have the same childhood attachment a lot of you do #(my parents felt very strongly that barbie presented an oversexualized and physically unrealistic image of femininity #and they didn't want their daughters exposed to that) #but maybe y'all need to put down the Nostalgia Glasses #i said what i said #i didn't see the movie so i can't tell you if it was good or bad or if i think margo and greta SHOULD have been nominated #all i can tell you is that the controversy is overblown and The Internet Mob gets offended wayyy too easily #and that's the tea #all queued up

[carmillas-girlfriend]

I've been in the OFMD fandom long enough (4 months) and I've been having enough fun (enjoying fanart and reading/writing fanfic) that I might as well just write the post that may or may not get me kicked out of here (lol). I just want to tell you my general thoughts and feelings about the show and the discourse. And if you wanna talk to me about it, sure, but if you want to ignore me, that's good too.

-It would be distressingly amiss to not see Izzy Hands as an abusive character. He spends most of his time shouting/demanding, he gets Fang's attention by grabbing him by the beard, he singles Lucius out often, he sells his boss out to the English after sending his boss's (boss'?) ex boyfriend to corral and distract him, he over and over again insists "if you don't start acting like Blackbeard [read: masculine, manly, etc.] I will leave your ship" which escalates to "if you don't start acting like Blackbeard, I will fucking kill you". We have the namby pamby scene. The ooh daddy scene. (I'm probably missing something.)

-It would be distressingly amiss to not see Edward Teach as an abusive character. After being goaded and yelled at by Izzy, he throws Lucius overboard (which could have killed him), on-screen chopped off Izzy's toe and then implied to continue to do this multiple times ("that's another toe"), he maroons the majority of Stede Bonnet's crew, gets Jim on his crew only by hitting them over the head and knocking them out so they had no other choice, forces his crew to work every day without seeing land, shoots Izzy in the leg (this could have killed him), attempts to force Izzy to kill him when Izzy is on his deathbed (which more or less leads to Izzy attempting to shoot himself, but it's possible Izzy tried to shoot himself just because he was in unbearable pain and lost his leg on a pirate ship in 1717). When Ed decides he's going to kill himself, he wants to take the whole ship with him - he sails into a storm on purpose, saws off the (what is it? Steering wheel???), points a cannon to the main mast, plans on setting everything on fire, and then forces Jim and Archie to beat each other to death *just because he saw the two kissing* and then admits he was going to kill the whole crew anyway whether or not they beat each other. (By his own admission the following mutiny wasn't "basic".)

-The point of the show is: change. Okay at least the point of s2 is change. Nathaniel Buttons himself says something along the lines of "to love the sea as she must be loved requires change". It takes Buttons literally turning into a seagull in front of his eyes for Ed to learn and realize that people can change, that he can change, and that this change can help him be able to trust again after a long life of being tormented by first his father and then by Hornigold and then by Izzy.

- For Izzy it takes: an attempted suicide and then an emergency leg amputation to realize that not only MUST he change, but the change has already happened and is already underweigh. He MUST change, he MUST accept and ask for help, he MUST be vulnerable with his crew, he MUST reflect and see himself for what he has become, or he will literally die. Even as he is on the floor dragging himself, army-crawling back to his bunk, he is fighting it so hard. But the kindness and empathy of his crew and the making of his prosthetic, is how we find him smiling *for the first time in the series*.

-The show is about forgiveness. ("I'm sorry I was such a dick" "You're not, life's a dick.") Ed is able to make things right with his crew through through vulnerability: being nearly beat to death, a trip to the gravy basket, banishment and then non-banishment, a kitten bell and sack cloth, a genuine attempt at making Lucius feel better, a fishing trip that leads to a heartfelt conversation, and then just like a really good party. Izzy is able to show how he has changed via makeup and a song - he shows vulnerability in asking to have his makeup done and vulnerability in performing in front of the crew, he shows he has accepted this crew for who they are and he is learning to do the same for himself.

-Now that we've gotten through the grand majority of everything I've wanted to say on the most serious matters, we can talk about what I really want to talk about: Wee John's dolly. In s1 Wee John is seen with a dolly (snuggling it to sleep, holding it while awake, and most importantly: pointing with it while with Frenchie in their New Room). In s2, there is no dolly. Where did he lose it? Did someone take his dolly away? It was obviously his favorite thing. Now he only has knitting to keep his hands busy. I need answers.

Thank you for reading my massive wall of text, I'm glad we were able to come together and discuss the important issues. Anon hate can be sent to my inbox. I won't be able to get to it until later because I have work soon. And I promise this is like, the only very serious post that I will make here. Perhaps I will make one or two more, but not very likely.

My actual, real calling and favorite way to participate in this fandom is by talking about shipping. If you ever want to talk about shipping, rarepairs, and endangeredpairs, thats kind of like - where I live.

Please take care of yourself. Please don't actually send me or anyone anon hate.

#long post #the izcourse #the disc horse #the discourse #💿🐴 #ed teach #izzy hands #putting all these tags on here so you can fucking ignore this if you want #i woke up at 5 am and chose dialectics #oh my god guys please be nice to me i dont want to leave this fandom like i love it here come on i have so many fic ideas

[lazyscience]

Full disclosure, I haven't read the Nimona comic so this could be an artifact of the Netflix adaptation/having to cut a lot of content to fit into a standard animated movie runtime. But while I'm super happy to see not only MLM representation in a kids' movie but treated as normal in its world, so that it can be a story about a relationship and not an Afterschool Special about Homophobia, I don't love Ballister and Goldenloin as a couple.

I don't like that Ballister is back with Goldenloin at the end of the movie like nothing happened. It's not that I want a bury-your-gays ending or that Ballister doesn't deserve a happy ending - but where is Goldenloin's character development? What has Goldenloin done to earn Ballister's trust back and demonstrate he's sorry - he maimed him and got his child killed (as far as either of them knew)?

The Director isn't the only one responsible for the sickness of their society; it's well-meaning but unquestioning privileged like Goldenloin who shore up the rot of the structure. Goldenloin, who saw the shock and horror on Ballister's face at the death of the queen but still maimed him, worked to arrest him and didn't push to see him and get his side of the story in custody, unthinkingly trusting in the fairness of a system they both already knew didn't treat commoners like Ballister the same way. Goldenloin who although he saw Ballister's swapped sword in the Director's office still wanted so badly to believe in the rightness of his system that he fought for the Director's point of view even as he saw with his own eyes how willing she was to lie and manipulate. Goldenloin, who in the epilogue smiles and points out particularly poignant drawings as if it wasn't him working as hard as he could to poison Ballister against Nimona that set off the final confrontation. that wasn't the Director, buddy. That was all you.

We get to see ONE internal freakout of his, one that he clearly hadn't resolved because he still did what the Director wanted him to do, not questioning at all the need to split people up into monsters and protectors against monsters (and JEALOUS, of a child? Of his lover universally reviled and hunted, having ONE person who was still supporting him?) He had to see the Director getting ready for a whole-ass mass murder out of SPITE to finally say "oh, yeah, you're NOT actually well-meaning but misguided, are you" - soooo much more benefit of the doubt than he gave the man he said he loved?

And after events HE helped to set in motion, when Ballister is in shock and mourning for his presumed-dead child he just ...gets to be there? I mean, even asshole Thodd got a more lasting injury and appears to be more aware of the role he played and how much thinking and work he has to do at the end (at least he looks ashamed of himself). but Goldenloin we're just supposed to be fine with, because when he's not being asked to put his career and life actually on the line he talks a good game about commoners being able to be heroes and "maybe we were wrong!" We only see him actually stand up for that once, with significantly fewer permanent consequences!

When we see Ballister backsliding on his ability to see the corruption in the system and lash out at Nimona, we ALSO see him realizing he was wrong and fighting to make amends. Ready to put Nimona before anyone else to make things right. Nimona fights, to put right the fact that her lashing out in her own rage and pain caught the people in the city between her and the Director, even though they're not innocents, considered her a monster worthy of death long before she did anything to threaten them. Do we ever see Goldenloin do anything to help Ballister that doesn't also help himself keep his own status and self-image intact?

No. No, we do not.

Goldenloin must be accurate, that must be some pretty fine D to get that much amnesia. I would have been much happier with them being together if I had seen any evidence at all that Goldenloin realized any of his culpability in events. As it stands, I feel like he's the epitome of Nice Liberal who thinks the problems are the people who are frothing bigots and doesn't realize the part he plays in allowing bigotry to continue.

I'm with Nimona. Arm-chopping is not a love language. team #GetBallisterABetterBoyfriend2K23

#nimona movie #nimona netflix #the disc horse #character meta #I do want to see how the comic handles him #this could be handled better there and this is just a problem of adaptation #ambrosius goldenloin

[otherfireangel]

Time to make the mistake of having Opinions

Spindlehorse's working conditions aren't unusual in terms of work conditions for animators. You can't call them uniquely terrible and single out Vivzie as an abuser without at least a nod to the industry-wide problem of shit pay and tight deadlines. Just because it started out as "indie" doesn't mean its problems are worse than the ones at, say, Disney.

This is not to say that they're Good, Actually, nor is it saying anything whatsoever about the content of the shows. I just think that we're misdirecting the hate brigade and could do a lot better if we organized against the industry conditions as a whole, trying to get protections for *all* animation workers in place.

#the disc horse

[radiantlyrey]

love 2 see a “hurr durr Steven Moffat hates women and always has hurr durr” post on my dash

it is 2023 but I guess the Disc Horse never dies

#like the thing is. he doesn’t hate women. #he’s not a misogynist!! he thinks women are great!! #unfortunately that enthusiasm tends to come across as sexist a lot of the time #which still ain’t great!! #but he does not HATE women #bc I don’t think a misogynist would have written characters like River Song and Clara Oswald #(also. i get the sense from Sherlock and what I’ve heard about Dracula #that he and Mark Gatiss tend to encourage each other’s worst impulses #bc in the stuff he’s written solo like Doctor Who and Jekyll there’s a LOT less fridging) #anyway #there’s my kvetch for the day #whatever #steven moffat #the disc horse

[sheathandshear]

Genuinely the most annoying thing in the world for trans people who've made their brand being a Real Trans to throw an avalanche of shit at transmasc people on the daily but then occasionally publish one tweet like "I love trans men!" oh yeah except when they're very femme, or very masculine, or in between, or nonbinary, or use they/them pronouns, or feel any identification with womanhood, or don't feel any identification with womanhood, or pass as women, or don't pass as men, or transition in a way you don't approve of, or disagree with you on anything ever, "no you're the transphobe, I'm not transphobic, I JUST said that I love trans men!" uh huh. sure.

#like really at this point if you're any kind of trans separatist just pls have the balls to come out and say so #would save everyone a lot of grief if ppl just admitted that when they're talking about 'the trans community' #they really mean binary trans ppl or medically transitioning trans ppl or binary trans women or whatever #ironic that as I edge closer to transition I feel less and less identification with transness bc at least everyone who gets a book deal #seem to absolutely hate each other #and it's pretty damn obvious that no one actually considers my identity or experiences to be worthy of anything but mockery #the disc horse #trans

[ailurinae]

LOL ok dude.

No one here is saying that Nazi supporters aren't pieces of shit, or that the royals in general aren't pretty terrible too. I am just pointing out that this may not be any kind of Nazi salute. And not saying it definitely isn't! It could be, currently we don't have enough info to say for sure.

And it's not like the instant the Nazi party came to power, (or any other instant) everyone else immediately and forever abandoned the style.

The Olympic salute is basically identical - in theory the hand should be bent up a bit more, facing the palm forward more than down, but plenty get sloppy with it. The Olympic salute fell out of favor after WWII, but not immediately/totally. In fact in 1948, the *French* team was one of the few still using the Olympic Salute, there is video of it. https://youtube.com/watch?v=WfaFnZ6sEnY&t=793 And many are doing it rather flat handed.

(Total side note, but wow some of that commentary in the rest of the video - "trust a woman to notice that" (about clothing cut) 😬 )

The Bellamy Salute, which has a rotated arm, with the palm up instead of down, was often used for saluting the US flag. In 1942 (so after Pearl Harbour), at the urging of the VFW, Congress made it law to salute the flag that way during the pledge. Later it was amended, but at that time it seems Congress didn't even discuss similarities to the salute Nazis were using.

#Salutes #History #Historical accuracy #Some interesting little bits of history #Once some goof sends you down the rabbit hole for more info #Tumblr nonsense #The disc horse #Nazis

[mmmthornton]

Black women shouldn't have to deal with dumbass cowards like that from the getgo but the idea that that persons calling black radfems unreasonable angry beings who are led astray is some Next Level Liberal Racist Shit i haven't witnessed since i worked at B&N and a woman threw a fit over us not having one specific illustrated copy of The Jungle Book to give her daughter who was "Going to help all the poor people in Africa." Like last time, I'm sure this person is so god damn stupid and set in their ways that you can't even tell her "it's set in India not Africa", because the only thing that matters is their White Savior narrative.

I've said it before but growing up in CT was a great way to get very familiar with that brand of dipshit; i don't think it's fair to make black women shoulder the expectation of tolerating that garbage and I'm not gonna let it slide if i can tell them to lick a tailpipe.

#my blog #the Disc Horse #losers lament

[blahblahblahboogie]

Since I don't see many people bring this up lately in the discussion as to why exclusion-ism and modern discourse on morality as it applies to politics I wanted to get on here and remind all of you that as early as the 1940s all LGBTQ+ individuals where blanket labeled as things like pedophiles, zoophiles, or anything else morally outrageous by "polite" society to villanize them. You need to be careful throwing around those labels because they can and will be used on you if you keep this up. It was the primary reason in the southern US gay and trans people got (and still get) lynched. Instead of fretting and hand-wringing over whether someone is "oppressed enough" or "morally pure enough" you should instead read up on the history of events like the Lavender Scare and other LGBTQ+ history and realize that your " moral superiority" doesn't matter to the segments of the population that group us all together anyway. They look at you regardless of your position in the community and say that you are a monster and a pedophile regardless of whatever moral merit you think you hold. They see all of us as aberrant monsters because we don't fit the strict (often protestant and white) cookie cutter ideals for society. We should be putting our micro-labeling petty infighting aside and work together, but instead all of you would rather whine that you have to work with people you don't like. We are seeing the legal basis for the incarceration of LGBTQ+ individuals being discussed after we FINALLY started getting that shit dealt with because people have become too fixated on labels and lost sight of what gave us the victories of the past: our united voice as a single community. If you are a gay or lesbian person against the trans community you need to toughen up and accept them otherwise you will wind up in the same jail cells as the rest of us. They never discriminated against what flavor of queer we where before, and that isn't changing anytime soon, you need to learn to work with everyone or accept the consequences of your bigotry.

#discourse #the disc horse #LGBTQ #Exclusion #purity culture #moral hand wringing

[ljf613]

Thank you so much for writing the post about "ships with age gaps". I ship a couple of non canon pairings that are considered "problematic" and "controversial" because of the age gaps and power dynamics and people tend to insult you when you ship them because they can't recognize that its fiction and they believe you're supporting certain things in real life when you aren't and you're only enjoying the stories because they are well written and the pairing has an amazing potential -Wonderbabe

No problem! I totally feel that!

#shipping #the disc horse #y'all need to chill #let people enjoy things #we ship and let ship here #let people ship what they want #thanks for the ask! #wonderbabe

[live-from-flaturn]

"But you already wrote that trope."

#fanfic #fanfiction #fanfics #fanfic culture #tropes #fanfic tropes #its my blorbo and he'll suffer how I want him to #blorbo disc horse #fanfic meme #fanfic author shitpost #writing meme

[hpmort]

As much as antis and such are a problem, I have to admit that when I was in elementary school I read Candle Cove and somehow became convinced that I would commit murder as a result of it(????) so when I think about that I start to kind of see where they’re coming from? Especially since when I was in middleschool things got so bad that I wanted to do so.

Of course, I didn’t, I probably wouldn’t be typing this now if I had; the only human I ever got close to killing was myself, and that was at my darkest moments where I was suffering from horrific and untreated chronic pain, the source of which went undiagnosed so long that it is a miracle that I can walk

#the disk horse #tragic backstory #tb tagged #the disc horse #I somehow made my personality definable as ‘Rick Sanchez’ a year before the pilot was first aired #and I dread to think about how I would have acted if I had watched the show. I had a lot of misandry at the time so I probably wouldn’t’ve #when I tried to bully or insult people things got too complex and no one got the insult #and the one time I complimented someone (in an admittedly creepy way but I was an egg still presenting as female #so that neutralizes part of it; I called her ears ‘elven’ #this was taken as an insult based off of a misinterpretation of it as ‘Alvin’ #like the chipmunk. #if I wanted to bs shit I would say that American society glorifies violence with war and stuff #but that’s fully self-serving; people generally know that killing is wrong; I knew it was wrong and that was why I didn’t do it #even when I was in middle school and wanted everyone to die #but this doesn’t even need the charity of ‘the us has some fucked up places and cultures and maybe these people grew up in them’ #kids are weird and fucked up because we live in a toxic world #and anyone young enough to be influenced into doing something by consuming a piece of media #should not be consuming that media. but there are a lot of ducked up headspaces where you can develop some kind of weird OCD about it

[lazyscience]

saw a post earlier on my dash about how shipping is contributing to the idea that straight men can't be physically or emotionally intimate with each other because it "sexualizes it."

While I do agree that men should be able to touch and kiss each other and tell each other they love each other and not have that be stigmatized or misinterpreted, where is that energy for male and female friendships in media being important and heterosexual shipping? I don't see the same people being upset about male/female shipping, when it's also a real societal problem that a lot of men straight up don't think it's possible to be friends with a woman, she's either an object of sexual interest or an object of mild contempt/pity and either way not a full person. Or Nice Guys thinking that every friendship will eventually turn into romance, and getting ugly towards women because they don't feel the same way? Isn't male/female shipping contributing to that?

Or is it, like its counterpart, a single drop in the ocean of the problem?

The homophobia came first. Long, long before The Premise was a gleam in the eye of Star Trek fandom, men were policing other men by defining masculinity as something you could do wrong. If homosexuality wasn't considered a bad thing, men could be affectionate with whoever they wanted and if someone made a mistake about it, it wouldn't affect how they were treated. They wouldn't HAVE to be afraid of stigma, they could just laugh and say "No, I'd love to date you Anna, Dion and I WERE holding hands but as friends not partners" or "Sorry Chad, I did kiss Dion but it was friendly not romantic, I'm actually into girls" and it would be no big deal.

Heterosexual men are putting themselves in their OWN box about not being able to be affectionate without it being GAY because if being gay didn't matter any more than if you prefer pepperoni or sausage on pizza, it wouldn't cause them to censor their behavior. I mean, people have strong opinions about what they like on their pie- just ask them about pineapple! They don't hesitate to tell you what they like or don't like! But they don't think less of people who like things they don't either, it's just pizza.

The vast majority of people in the world don't even know that shipping exists. Shipping is neither a Liberatory Transgressive Thing or a Nasty Sexual Victimization. It's looking at a pepperoni and sausage pizza on a menu or a box in the freezer case and thinking "that looks good but I'd rather just have sausage, maybe I can just take the pepperoni off" or "that seems saltier than what I want, maybe if I put some pineapple on it that would lighten it up."

#the disc horse

[otherfireangel]

the most terminally online shit is when people refuse to differentiate between “people who think bad things are okay” and “people who aren’t virtue policing” (both labeled proshippers) and “people who think bad things are not okay” and “people who doxx authors whose work they didn’t like” (both labeled antis)

those are *four* categories, not *two*.

call pedophiles what they are. call pedo apologists what they are. do not call people who don’t want to police others what they aren’t.

call harassment what it is. call doxxing what it is. call out the perpetrators. do not call people who think incest is gross what they aren’t.

and before anyone calls me pro or anti, or tries to send anon hate: please engage your critical thinking skills and don’t do that.

#shipping #pro vs anti #discourse #the disc horse #addendum: you will not change my rating on the suicidal ideation scale by yelling at me in my inbox