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kiradical · 3 months
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#I wish all flat earthers and “truthers” a very die#very very annoyed by a video a friend sent me about Chicago#where this idiot claimed the 1893 worlds fair was how Chicago looked BEFORE the great fire#but famously that happened AFTER THE FIRE#IT WAS A PRETTY BIG FUCKING DEAL THAT IT HAPPENED AFTER THE FIRE#plus all those pretty (and white mind you—that’s not lost on me) building he shows and alleged were permanent structures#were quite literally and again famously not permanent#they were basically paper mache buildings#meant to last only the duration of the exposition 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃#and famously were left to rot#like#come on man this shit isn’t even hard and is not even slightly obscured in history#like you wanna say the Statue of Liberty looks like a painting of Lucifer…. sure#that’s not like…. provable I guess#(it’s sorta dumb but who doesn’t have dumb little pet theories sometimes)#but this shit is verifiable facts and isn’t obscured because all of it was a Big Deal#also he acts like the golden statue from the exposition is still around and it very much is not#and I know this sounds like I’m mad specifically about the Chicago thing#(which tbf I am p mad about because the exposition and Chicago history in general are some of my special interests)#but like he also has a video like this about new york and how it’s big apple nickname is satanic#and has flat earther as his name#like I just know he’s spreading wild misinformation and lies about so much shit#and it makes me TRULY angry#so like yeah I’m mad about the Chicago thing but that’s because I KNOW THE STUFF#I KNOW HES WRONG#AND I HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH TO KNOW HES WRONG#but what if someone else out there comes across literally any of his other videos and doesn’t know this stuff? a kid maybe?#someone in the right place mentally to be radicalized into this shit?#it just breeds more of it and I wish we would do something about this shit but idk what could be done#other than censorship but that’s just a whole other can of worms
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twilightarcade · 1 year
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can i lear n more abouit ocs and game oif allow.. or just ypu
they used to wear glasses until I drew them one too many times without glasses and their glasses disappeared
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saulbaby · 1 year
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I'm seeing a lot of conwilla is problematic discourse which like. Fair. But also why are you talking about her like she's a mail order bride from a war torn country
She's a really classy escort in New York city I think she probably has enough money to not do everything he asks her to and it's pretty clear that Connor is always very aware that she could leave at any time
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marklikely · 2 years
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getting annoyed at all the people i keep seeing saying no omg halloween ends was so good because they tried something new and im like yeah ok but did literally any of the stuff they tried actually turn out good? no.
#it didnt even do the bare minimum of creating a coherent whole smh. let alone being good i very nearly did walk out entirely.#like ok playing with the idea that your environment can be what pushes you to do evil instead of you being Inherently Bad#and the idea that like. michael myers isnt some all encompassing evil he's just one of many people out there who do bad things#great i get it. fine#but then they just throw it in the trash by being like actually no corey just is an evil person now. hes got bad vibes.#and then he (spoilers) and his entire story just like. doesnt even get brought up again now its a movie abt killing michael for 20 minutes#like ok . so now michael is the ultimate evil of haddonfield again and we all funeral march together to kill him. sure.#i guess fuck what the other 80 minutes of this movie were about.#like we get a limp line abt how evil never dies it just changes shape but like. they literally did kill both the evils & haddonfield's fine#i dont even think corey or anything about him specifically ever gets brought up again. for the entire last bit of the movie.#and we make zero moves to like address... what happened to create the evil scarecrow man at all. its just like well michaels dead we win.#plus whatever they were trying to do with laurie's entire character just made NO sense.#shes fine now she's healed from her trauma but now people are mad at her because she 'provoked' michael??#when last movie we quite literally established that she didnt and he wasn't even here to look for her. he does not care abt that woman.#and then her granddaughter being like YOURE SO OBSESSED WITH DEATH YOU WANT EVERYONE AS MISERABLE AS YOU#when like??? laurie isn't even miserable in this movie she's post therapy and doing pretty well and enjoying her fucking life??#so now everyone is just like. projecting this image onto laurie that we know is provably false but its never addressed#its not like . 'wow people project an ideal onto victims of trauma but its not true'. like i think we are supposed to agree w these people.#or at the very least if we dont agree we're supposed to be like wow that was deep they might have a point.#they just like. say they hate her for being obsessed with her trauma when she isn't anymore and then it never comes back up#and the way they all forgive her is her fighting michael but like thats what she did in 2018 isnt that why you're mad at her????#and dont get me started on all the fake deep dialogue and monologues or the weird forced love story so they could hook the wattpad crowd.#but like the overall movie there are some ideas that are actually really good and exactly what i'd want in a halloween finale#and they just like . execute literally all of them in the worst possible way .#movie diary
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potatopersonal · 1 year
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word count for the wingfic sequel is at a little over 9800 words! and I still have 6 or so sections to go!
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mejomonster · 2 years
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I'm reading Peoples History of the United States and
1 some of the earliest colonists sound a lot like elon musks plan to go to Mars if Mars had people waiting there. Rich, desiring more riches, willing to kill horrific numbers of people to take more land and resources and desperate to enslave more people still to help acquire more stuff. No human life matters to them. No notion of feelings. Priests finding it all totally morally right and good to do such horrific things
2 speed up to colonial America and they quickly built a rich control almost all the wealth (I read "Through all that growth, the upper class was getting most of the benefits and monopolized political power. A historian who studied Boston tax lists in 1687 and 1771 found that in 1687 there were, out of a population of six thousand, about one thousand property owners, and that the top 5 percent—1 percent of the population—consisted of fifty rich individuals who had 25 percent of the wealth. By 1770, the top 1 percent of property owners owned 44 percent of the wealth.") You heard that right. 1% of people had 44% of the wealth. Does that sound familiar? Mm
3 this part about rich people profiting off the war and making literally everyone else poorer and worse off sure reminds me of the wars the US did when I was growing up. "An anonymous pamphleteer in Massachusetts, writing angrily after King George’s War, described the situation: “Poverty and Discontent appear in every Face (except the Countenances of the Rich) and dwell upon every Tongue.” He spoke of a few men, fed by “Lust of Power, Lust of Fame, Lust of Money,” who got rich during the war. “No Wonder such Men can build Ships, Houses, buy Farms, set up their Coaches, Chariots, live very splendidly, purchase Fame, Posts of Honour.” He called them “Birds of prey . . . Enemies to all Communities—wherever they live.”" my point is just. You know. How one learns from the patterns of history...
4 this book goes into a lot more besides just one pov, and I didn't get to take much humanities in college but I sure hope those people who do get to take US history in school got this book on the reading list.
#rant#lb#i just. its not shocking i suppose. that now we have our own rich elite who make things worse#while pretty much 99% of us all get worse off but they try to make us fight eaxh other to prevent progress#and prevent change toward improvement. and they enact measures to control and oppress us. just like back in the beginning#of the colonies.#but also. goddamn. grateful for modern labor laws#theyd kill slaves for not doing jobs right. kill slaves#simply by transporting them in unsurvivable ways on the ship.#coming over as a servant youd still be likely to die. masters could still kill you. and would. and i can#guess on my own. that if what we read is only the legal murders#you can only guess that like modetn american cops can kill americans at any time#its likely masters and random people often killed slaves and servants#then just saif Oh they did something. so there was no worry of punishment for murder#there were laws to kill black people seen alone. a slave following orders could 3asily#be murdered on the road by absolutely anyone. and those murders provably werent even tracied#the way murders due to 'some crime' were documented#and just like. apparently 1/5-1/2 of each colony was slaves. about 1/2 or more of white immigrants were indentured servants#so like what 3/4 or more of the population were killed whipped burned raped mutilated abused#and under constant threat of that occuring imminently#and then the last 4th or so. were poor whites often with no land ownership. so no voting.#very limited legal protections *close to none if they owned no land#and again about 1% owned near half of all wealth in the colonies#so like. goddamn#goddamn rich white people were cruel brutal horrific.#and like. i think ultimately the ultra rich now would like to treat us all just as badly#but its shocking we even can attempt to live to 50 years old now. it was so goddamn awful a few#centuries ago. and the slave trade just in africas side of the ocean killed over 50 million people#so many people died. so many people died for greed and abuse
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onthehighwaytomel · 2 years
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So...is Taylor Swift paying more talented musicians' PR agents to advertise for her new music/tour? It pains me to see actually exceptional talents like Phoebe Bridgers and Hayley Williams and Muna touting her around on social media...like I promise you, she has enough goddamn publicity.
And it reeks of that whole "girl squad" thing from a few years back...opportunistic, artificial, exclusively with conventionally attractive white musicians (from what I've seen), and not as good as disguising those motivations as other famous people crossovers are.
I genuinely do not understand the magnitude of her appeal at all. It will be real nice when this promotion cycle is over. I prefer to filter tags and ignore her mediocre, immature, intensely self-obsessed, all-decisions-made-by-a-boardroom-of-investors music and 'personality.'
#sorry followers + mutuals i know some of you all like her#obviously taste is very subjective and she hasn't done anything TRULY heinous#except 'look what you made me do'#so don't let me yuck your yum. life your life#I've just never liked her and never will#not because she's a woman...that's an accusation i see thrown around a lot 🙄#but because she's mediocre + v self-obsessed + emotionally immature#+ she doesn't seem to publicly do or produce anything that a boardroom of investors hasn't approved of#+ she's consistently painted herself as a victim even when that's provably false#i can't vibe with that 🤷‍♀️#she's not void of talent...yes there's something there#but if her parents weren't rich + supportive she would have topped out at playing the state fair#writing your own songs doesn't put a feather in your cap if the songs themselves aren't good#or at the very least clearly genuine#an authentic artistic expression that isn't just latching on to the latest trend#are you telling me folklore would have happened without phoebe blowing up beforehand??#at least katy perry owned her corporate fakeness...taylor tries to pretend otherwise#huh. guess i had a lot to say while procrastinating on actual work#taylor swift#music#personal#text#i don't need to see any more stans from actual talent is all I'm saying#i meant live* your life earlier. not life your life 🙃#edit: okay so apparently those three are all opening up for her on tour in some cities...#makes a little more sense...but at the same time#it's like really? you're so musically gifted#what do you see in her (besides giant crowds + $)#artistically you're miles ahead of her...it's just baffling
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ryoki-ph · 1 year
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uh oh just realised i have hearing damage in one of my ears. uh oh
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jasper-pagan-witch · 8 days
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Why don’t people curse, hex and put spells on politicians? (I know that there are people who do that) but it seems like people opt out of using that kind of magic to help the masses. Idk what kind of question this is haha but if you wanna respond you can haha
Okay, I was gonna wait longer after Huge Bitch Monday to answer this one, but I've been sick for several days now and I'm tired of looking at this message in my inbox and getting mad at it.
You said it yourself: There are people who already put spells on politicians.
But magic isn't guaranteed to work and it's really not that verifiable.
And pushing "help the masses" as the most important thing for everyone to do is exhausting. Like yeah, it's nice to help others, but why use magic for that when there are other (and often easier or more verifiable) methods to accomplish the same thing? Volunteer work, donations, activism, making connections, helping your neighbors - all of these and more can count as "helping the masses".
And some of us do that but don't use our magic for it. Case in point, me. Hi hello, guess who does a lot of volunteer work in the emergency management and response fields? You can bet your ass that I don't use my magic for that because magic is my downtime away-from-work hobby.
Sure, you (general you) can use your magic to cast spells on politicians. But that's not going to change things in the same way that more direct actions will. Voting, showing up at commissioners' meetings, signing petitions - these often have more obvious, concrete, provable results than just lobbing a spell does. No amount of "dick fall off in the Olive Garden" curses are going to change someone's entire political affiliation to match yours.
Don't get me wrong, you can absolutely use politicians as magical guinea pigs. It's fun and gives you a guilt-free target for curses. But not everyone does that, and that's fine.
TLDR: Magic can only do so much.
~Jasper
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drbased · 9 months
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A quick bit of advice
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This is what we call 'controlling the conversation'.
(Please watch the video, it's only 10 minutes long and if more people get this concept I don't have to keep pointing these things out)
This person has skillfully shifted the discussion away from misogyny into picking apart whether or not wasps are bees. They've made some hilariously bad factual innacuracies, and now, guess what, radfems are now talking about whether of not wasps are bees.
Let me quote from the video:
What kind of debate is this, even? There's not a single thing your opposition has said that isn't provable false or irrelevant and they change the subject every 30 seconds.
Every bad argument they use a subtle attempt to change the subject. Bad arguments are not a bug, they're a feature.
The original post is about misogyny. It uses a metaphor to depict misogyny, to help it be made understandable. Nitpicking the metaphor achieves two things: it means they don't have to argue on the thorny issue of demonstrable misogyny, and it also signals to the imagined audience that the initial comment about misogyny is already bunk. What those who want to control the conversation do is they respond with the next argument along assuming their position is already correct.
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Feminist: This is how misogyny operates within trans activism TRA: Trans women can't be misogynistic because trans women are women ... and your metaphor doesn't work because wasps are bees
So radfems are now talking about wasps not being bees. It's so easy to do, right? The left wing love a good language and factual take-down; it's so tempting to do, and so easy to do, and we get to look smarter than them - maybe we could even change some minds. It all feels like a good time.
And look, this is how OP then responds.
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Notice how mcironiccringename over here only now has to talk about the 'facts' about wasps and bees. They never have to engage with the original point misogyny. Conversation controlled, damage controlled, time wasted.
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finnlongman · 2 months
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Working theories about the processes at work in the Babyfication of Cú Chulainn in the 17th-19th century Ulster Cycle tales:
All of these late stories position themselves as taking place before Táin Bó Cúailnge. This is obvious from the fact that Fer Diad is present in lots of them, but is also just narratively convenient for them, I think.
Cú Chulainn is 17 in TBC, so our starting point is that he must be younger than that.
Generally these stories position themselves as occurring after Tochmarc Emire/Foglaim Con Culainn. Again, this is partly evident from the presence of Fer Diad. Some of them overlap slightly with it.
Cú Chulainn's age in TE isn't stated outright, but following the Boyhood Deeds, he might be as young as about 6.
He must therefore be aged between 6 and 17 when all these stories take place.
Tóruigheacht Gruaidhe Griansholus, the oldest of these stories (1679), states that he is 15 -- presumably with the primary intent of firmly locating the story before TBC. The Ulaid are concerned about the idea of him going off an international road trip alone because of his age, and express this concern, but he does it anyway. His youth is occasionally referenced, but on the whole he is much as he appears in earlier texts: a skilled and precocious warrior.
Eachtra na gCuradh and Coimheasgar na gCuradh come next (early 18th cent). They notice this detail in TGG and decide to elaborate on it further: Cú Chulainn is younger than 15, and is going on adventures only in the company of other warriors; it is occurring pre-TGG, making that his first solo adventure.
Because he is too young to go on adventures by himself, and because those responsible for him are frequently concerned for him, this gives the impression that Conall et al are babysitting him.
Eachtra na gCuradh appears to take place before Coimheasgar na gCuradh. CnC introduces Láeg and by the end of the story, he and Cú Chulainn have teamed up, ready for TGG. Conall appears slightly less protective of Cú Chulainn, so we can conclude he is slightly older than he was in EnC, when he is very baby (and when Láeg wasn't yet on the scene).
His age is not stated outright in any of these, but I would guess he's aged between 10 and 14. This is based purely on relative chronology and may not hold up to close scrutiny.
Sgéalta Rómánsuíochta are the latest stories (maybe 18th century but preserved in 19th century version). They're not super interested in Cú Chulainn, preferring to foreground other characters. His babyfication makes this easier, since he can appear as a child sidekick (to Ailill Fionn, in the first story), or in a similar capacity to EnC and CnC -- the youngest/most junior member of a group of warriors. Across the four stories, he could be anything from about 7 to about 14 again.
Theories about intertextuality:
Tóruigheacht Gruaidhe Griansholus and Coimheasgar na gCuradh both provably draw on the Stowe version of Táin Bó Cúailnge. There are details that can't have come from any other version of TBC (or any other text that survives). They are not the same details in both texts, so it's not that CnC drew on TGG: both drew on Stowe.
Since EnC is probably by the same author as CnC, we can assume he also had Stowe.
EnC's inclusion of Manannán mac Lir might suggest knowledge of Serglige Con Culainn.
CnC alone of the very late tales (i.e. EnC onwards) includes Láeg, with characterisation details that obviously come from Stowe TBC. Again, it doesn't seem to derive directly from TGG (there's a detail I'd expect to see there if it did); both go back to Stowe and so have similarities but have developed them differently.
All of them are probably drawing on Foglaim Con Culainn; in some places it seems like there might be some reliance on Oidheadh Con Culainn as well. There might be some evidence of drawing on Oidheadh Chonlaioch, particularly the attribution of teaching to Aífe rather than Scáthach, although I know there are also late verse versions of this that might be a source rather than the prose.
SR may be more distant from its source material with heavier reliance on these intervening texts -- there are lots of phrasal similarities between EnC/CnC and SR, but Ó hUiginn disputes the earlier proposal that they were all by the same author and thinks SR are definitely later.
That's what I've got so far. I doubt anyone has suggestions because I don't think anyone has cared about these texts for a couple of centuries, but if you do, hit me.
I am partly writing this post so I can keep track of these thoughts for later, although my PhD corpus ends with TGG, so I won't be talking at length about the others there. (They may come up in passing, though.)
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bounded-accuracy · 4 months
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One of the most fascinating corners of Fantasy High lore is the existence of hardcore Helio worshippers. Because, in Solace,
hell provably exists
you can find out exactly who went there and why
In our universe, the uncertainty about hell is a massive factor in why evangelicals behave the way they do. Like, people love to argue with biblical literalists about how a loving God wouldn’t be so judgmental. But it doesn’t matter. God might turn out to be chill… but they can’t be 100% sure. And hell is potentially REALLY bad. So they’ll act on the assumption that God is the most ridiculous tightass imaginable, and maybe get pleasantly surprised later.
But for Helio worshippers, they can find out exactly what criteria matters (or not) for hell. They don’t have to be hyper strict just to be on the safe side. Hell isn’t this nebulous threat of infinite proportions, it’s very concrete. It’s also not eternal/inescapable. People can straight-up leave, given the right magic.
I wonder if churches of Helio explicitly forbid contact with other planes? I guess it could be similar to Christian prohibitions on mediums and contacting spirits (except that in Solace you can actually talk to spirits lol). Maybe they say it’s all a trick, that no one is actually seeing the “real” version of hell? But resurrection exists, and people do see the afterlife there — maybe they treat those like real-world near-death experiences, and say they’re just random neuron activations (which would be a very funny solution, because in our universe Christians loooooove citing NDEs as evidence of life after death).
Anyway, I think it’s an interesting area to speculate on.
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generallemarc · 7 months
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The following is something that hardly any "pro-Palestine" agitator is capable of
*Ahem*
Israel has done alot of objectively wrong things over the course of its history with Palestine, and that didn't magically go away in the past decade. It is a thoroughly paranoid state, and no matter how much that paranoia is justified by the existence of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran it's no excuse for violating the civil rights of detainees, even if they're provably guilty of whatever crimes they've been accused of. Israel's air strikes in the current war have been too zealous, and there must be a certain point at which it would actually be less harmful in terms of civilian casualties to just send in the IDF on foot, and because of how utterly outmatched Hamas will be against professional soldiers, I feel as though that risk to the IDF ought to be taken for the sake of the innocent civilians who might be saved by it. Hamas isn't going to protect them by virtue of it being filled with genocidal monsters, and thus although it's unfair the onus is on Israel to do the job that the force that governs Gaza refuses to, or at least to try to.
See all of that? That was me being able to perceive and acknowledge reality even when it makes my side look bad. Because I see this war as a war, not a justification to start wishing death on millions. I see these civilians who've died for no reason as just that, instead of deserving of their fate for the crime of being born in the wrong country/to a family of the wrong faith or ethnicity. And I have the most basic of moral sensibilities to be able to look with that sight at all sides of a situation, and not just the ones that it's convenient to look at. But one thing I haven't seen is very many "pro-Palestine" people being able to admit to the observable reality of things like hostage taking, use of human shield tactics, and the fact that Hamas's charter brings up the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion as if it were true. It's really sad that the last one has had to become my armor-piercing round, or rather sad that that's armor-piercing to their arguments and "Hamas are actively trying to commit genocide" isn't. But I guess that's just what it means to be a "progressive" these days.
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txttletale · 4 months
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Re: the self checkout post, is your argument that the people arguing that AI is bad because of job loss aren’t coming from a serious, well thought out position? that it’s secondary to other justifications (most likely about Real Art™️)? I’m trying to understand where you’re coming from because i think i agree but i’m not sure on the specifics.
yeah. i guess not 'the people arguing that' as a monolith because there are many individuals i think have real economic concerns and a sound ideological basis on which to confront those with labour action, but many of them, and certainly the most vitriolic. i think that point has been eminently provable by the dozens of people in the notes of that post espousing the (imo totally indefensible) position that it's fine for cashiers to lose their jobs for automation but not artists, who are Special.
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chaifootsteps · 8 months
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Incoming supposition on what I think is going on in terms of Hazbin, and why Helluva has shifted focus in Season 2: Viv overpromised and underdelivered, forcing Helluva to cannibalize Hazbin's leftover ideas.
Let's for the moment discard rumors about Viv being difficult to work with and that Hazbin was cut from 10 to 8 episodes to get it out of the way—I wouldn't doubt that, and we know that 8 episodes are indeed happening. but since the former parts are technically rumors at this point I don't want to base this analysis on rumors wrapped in NDAs. Let's just look at what we know for absolute certain, which is the following:
-Viv wanted Hazbin to be at least 3 seasons, per her past streams (might have been a Hunicast one but I don't recall)
-A24 announced they picked up HH in 2020. Said pickup announcement is the only thing they've said about Hazbin Hotel in 3 years.
-what little marketing exists has been sparse, and solely limited to already existing fans. None of the stuff on Hazbin's Twitter has been retweeted or acknowledged in any way by A24 proper.
-the show has passed its intended release date, with no cast, platform, or staff revealed at all, when the cast is generally revealed for a show a year prior to release
-early on Hazbin was said to be the serialized storyline, while Helluva was said to be more episodic. Now, we have no Hazbin, and Helluva has gotten more serialized in Season 2
-several comics were planned for Hazbin, one of which being about Charlie meeting an old boyfriend in what looked liek Greed callerd Exes and Ohs. Said comic appears to have been cannibalized into Helluva Boss's S2E3, complete with Charlie's old Von Eldritch boyfriend looking quite similar to Chaz, just not a shark
Given all that, I think during production of Hazbin, something went wrong. Maybe it turned out Viv didn't plan as much as claimed, frustrating the crew. Maybe A24 had too much executive meddling, frustrating Viv. Maybe there was too little meddling and A24 started realizing the show was going to fail so they decided not to advertise it.
]It's anyone's guess at the moment what went wrong, but it seems behind the scenes something went wrong. And whatever the reason, the Hazbin Viv initially set up, the Hazbin Viv promised with the pilot, is not the Hazbin that ended up being produced by A24.(edited)
So Hazbin's serialized ideas were squeezed into Helluva, and Helluva scrambled in Season 2 to create a story because the story Viv intended for Hazbin fell through, so she haphazardly decided to utilize it into this other story because Helluva is all she has now.
Yes this is all speculation, but given A24's utter silence, delays, and Helluva becoming more serialized and provably taking on at least one story intended for Hazbin, I think it's at least somewhat likely.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Hazbin turns out to just be episodic like Helluva was originally intended to, turned away from the "Disney meets The Good Place but R-rated" story it was originally going to be and now turning into an episodic "Family Guy in Hell". Which as someone who fell in lover with the pilot for its "Disney meets The Good Place" vibes, is incredibly heartbreaking to think about
This is pretty much shot for shot what I think too. When you lay it all out like that, I'd actually be more surprised if it wasn't what's going on.
(That "R-rated Disney meets The Good Place" description especially hurt, because my pitch to friends I wanted to hook into Hazbin was always "Superjail meets The Good Place." Knowing how close we came to having that story is more tragic than if we'd never gotten it at all.)
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schro4444 · 7 months
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About the Kaito keeping his secret ID through Refuge In Audacity do you think Conan stuck with his first guess that KID was younger than 20 or later dismissed it as KID wearing a mask? (Ik this isn't relevant to the kuroba sitcom but I had Ditto in the brain haha)
I personally hc that he logicked it away as "he can't be THAT young, learning all those skills he has would take time" and then Kaito TOLD HIM his mom was Phantom Lady who did crazy gymnastics so she couldn't have been very old and dissappeared a scant 20 years ago and Conan went "welp"
Ik that Hakuba figured KID's age through DNA and then compared to highschool databases across the country, but first that's not how DNA tests work, the length that tells how old someone is changes from person to person, and second, I'm not familiar w Japanese laws regarding privacy and DNA databases but I'm fairly sure that what Hakuba did was like. Super illegal. Probably why Hakuba hauled ass back to London after that case actually, I bet he only got away with it bc nepotism (IT'S SURE ILLEGAL IN THE UK)
I still rlly want to know if Hakuba sat KID down w an optometrist board and an IQ test though, HOW did he get that data. Like I bet Toichi and Chikage never even got Kaito tested bc they thought it funnier to keep people guessing just HOW smart he was, plus Kaito wanted to share class with Aoko and Nakamori wanted her to be in a class where she could make friends her age, and that was the end of the topic
(oh man this ended up long, MY BAD)
first of all, omg im honored, tysm for reading ditto :D <3
GREAT QUESTION I think conan kept it in mind, but became less sure of himself over time. conan/shinichi has a pretty skewed idea of what kids are capable of doing, and I think he knows this about himself, so it’s reasonable for him to think “...nah, it would be insane if a high schooler was doing all this… right?” and if he was basing his original age guess off of what he could see of kid’s face and body shape, well, he learned very quickly that kid can change any of those traits at any time. who’s to say that kid wasn’t wearing makeup/a mask/anything else that might change his silhouette? …left to his own devices for long enough, conan can become a victim of his own overthinking, lol.
aaaand then kaito dropped the Phantom Lady tidbit. that, if anything, seemed to me like a peace offering of some kind? possibly meant to even the playing field between them? as always, it’s hard to tell what shinichi and kaito actually Know in canon, though I’m of course personally a fan of them knowing the least amount of information possible while still being as intelligent as we know they are. because shenanigans >:D
if we want to have fun with it ;) , I think the phantom lady reveal only narrows down kid’s age to,,,,, younger than 30? ish? it mostly gives conan an upper limit, since he doesn’t know whether kid was born before or after her retirement, and she easily could’ve retired in her early 30s. what it Does confirm is that this kid isn’t the original one, but that only narrows his identity down to “probably a protege of kid #1.” from there, the biggest bit of provable evidence against kaito is that his father died right when the original kid disappeared, but that’s still a pretty big logic leap to make when you aren’t around kaito all the time (like hakuba is). and toichi had students, too! who knows who else he taught besides yukiko and sharon? who is more likely to be kaitou kid: an undercover protege of toichi’s, or his teenage son who has an alibi for multiple heists?
best I can tell from some brief research, in Japan, DNA collection isn’t regulated for law enforcement, but hakuba isn’t law enforcement, he’s a consultant at best. I think other DNA tests for ppl age 16+ require consent of the person, and 16 or younger require the consent of a parent. hakuba has NEITHER. hakuba was saved from being a juvenile criminal by nepotism and the fact that nakamori laughed in his face instead of charging him with obstruction of justice or something. and yeah, that’s Absolutely Not How DNA Tests Work adjfksjdj
FR THO!! now I’m imagining hakuba chasing kid through a museum yelling “WHAT NUMBER LOGICALLY FOLLOWS THE SERIES ACCORDING TO THE GIVEN PATTERN” while kid answers with, like, extremely confused perfect accuracy. “400 iq” honestly sounds more like something hakuba made up to explain the fact that kid could answer the iq test questions while rappelling down a skyscraper lol. and I totally agree, kaito’s probably never been officially tested—it’s important for kids to be with their peers, especially when you’re already likely to have child prodigy syndrome. also because kaito and aoko get along so well, they would run the risk of never making other friends (cough shinichi cough). plus, the kurobas probably like to avoid official records as much as possible, and scoring even in the 160+ range would gather attention that their family of internationally-wanted criminals does Not need
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