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leverage-ot3 · 1 year

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the found family trope is inherently queer and you can’t change my mind

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antimony-medusa · 1 year

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Okay so inspired by nothing in particular (it's inspired by reading the notes on the ace swag final poll, fun stuff in there), I have been thinking about being Cringe. Cause like, you enter a fandom, and usually, you find out shortly that somebody else hates that fandom. There is no fandom niche enough that it's not Weird to somebody, and there's no fandom mainstream enough that it's not Annoying to somebody else. And given the fact that some people do hatred recreationally, there's often going to be somebody mad enough about your fandom that they're going to go on diatribes about how your fandom is bad and actually harmful and destroying the fabric of civilization, etc. They're gonna pull out anything negative and blow it up until it's the size of the skyline and attack you for liking this negative thing.

Fun times, we've all seen it.

And the thing is, there's an impulse to have this happen and immediately find somebody else to point to and say, yeah, well, I might be weird, but at least I'm not THAT guy. I might read YA, but at least I'm not a Furry— those guys are sexual deviants! I might be into actual play podcasts, but at least I'm not into mcyt— those guys are all harmful and my guy is fine. I might be into danmei, but at least I'm not into bandom— rpf is so gross. I might be a furry, but at least I'm not into mainstream romance novels— senseless drivel aimed at middle class white women. Y'know. Immediately find someone to punch down on.

And boy do I understand why you want to do that, when people are pointing at you, but I don't actually think that it's helpful.

Cause like, every fandom has a logical train of thought and reasonable human impulses behind it. You might not share those impulses— I'm not a furry I don't think, I don't really get true crime— but that doesn't mean I can't have it explained to me by a very patient person in in the writer's workshop common room and go "oh, yeah, kinda pretending to be an animal, but you're gay about it, yeah, makes sense", or "oh yeah, morbid curiosity from the safety of your headphones, it's like a horror movie but real" and nod. Like there isn't a fandom or group out there that doesn't look weird from the outside, and there isn't a fandom or group that can't be explained if someone has thought about the human psyche enough.

And that isn't to say that there isn't sometimes salient critiques for what fandoms are doing or not doing— to grab the two examples above, I have heard people talking about issues with true crime reinforcing the current fucked up justice system, or bigotry at furry cons. But a) most of the time, there is already somebody inside that community that's fighting against those issues, and you just threw them under the bus with the problem they're trying to fix b) you don't usually know the nuances of the actual conversation and problems, you saw a couple callout posts. You saying "Yeah I'm a board game nerd but at least I don't play competitive trading card cames, those guys are doing nothing but feeding the capitalist machine" is not usually helpful towards fixing the ctg scene. It's just a cheap way to score points.

Like, I assure you that the YA scene is aware of the calcification of the genre into a tighter and tighter romantic form and their dependence on going big on tik-tok to sell enough to keep publishing. They know.

You specifically saying that your fandom is better cause it's not [problems you heard about other fandom having] is not actually going to make the person who's hating on you stop hating. They already decided that you're the person they're better than and that they're punching down on, you passing the punching down on to another fandom just makes more people sad on the internet, and potentially starts yet another chain of someone punching down at someone else. The wheel grinds on, everybody gets punched.

I guess this is just kinda turning into a "why hate on the internet, what good does that do" post, which is broader than I meant it to be. But like, there's a difference between thoughtful critique of problems (complicated to do fairly but very necessary) and finding someone new to curbstomp to make yourself feel better/morally superior (look, I'm writing this on a mcyt blog, we've all seen this happen, it does not increase the joy in the world).

Like in MCYT, we all decide to punch down on [other server we hate], or RPF, or people who write kidfic, or people who write e-rated fic/art, or people doing the popular trope of the moment, and sure, it lets you feel morally superior for the moment, at the cost of slapping the guy next to you. Haven't we had enough slapping the guy next to you? There but for the grace of god (got a fun idea/watched the wrong stream/ended up in the wrong brainstorming circle/got fixated on the wrong funny guy) goes I. You're not better than another group just because you saw a couple more callout posts (usually from people inside the community trying to fix things) about them.

We are all Cringe. There is nobody who's not Cringe. Don't say that you're not Cringe because someone else is more Cringe. Stop that.

#discourse #This is another thing where the public/private rule applies too I think #cause social media is public and what you do there is governed by different politeness rules #walking into your friend's dms and saying GOD I AM SO ANNOYED BY [other fandom] is a normal human impulse #posting that where other people can see that is potentially much more like shouting in the face of a random person #idk this is potentially something where me having a thousand followers is warping the perspective #cause I try to be really aware of the fact that who knows what people who see my posts are into #there's nobody I can throw under the bus and not have them see it #if you have eight followers all of which you know #you're much more effectively in a private space #idk #boy reading the tags on that ace swag poll was kinda a Oh Yeah They Really Hate Us moment #I forgot that cause I was just happy over here #but boy are we still an internet's favoured punching bag #and I just think making an effort to not continue to punching bag people might be good #fandom meta

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chirpsythismorning · 2 years

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I just wanna talk about this quick and then I’ll shut up forever.

I HATE byler kiss manips (not talking about fan-art, I’m talking about photoshopped byler edits using milkvan scenes). I hate them with a burning passion. The only exception to this would be when bylers use them as a response to homophobic anon asks... now that’s funny. But that’s it 🤣

Like I get it. It’s mostly all a big joke, but it’s just cringy to me..? And weird?? Why can’t we wait for the real thing???

AND YET! AND YET!… Even though I’m kind of contradicting myself by making this post in the first place, I honestly don’t see much value in confronting fans who do this or staging a whole call out about how it makes me personally feel uncomfortable for reasons x y z.

Because that’s just me. I’m sure there are some fans who agree with me and I’m sure there are plenty who don’t. But still, I don’t see the point in policing anyone that disagrees with me on this, to make them feel bad for engaging in fandom differently than me, to make a big spectacle about how it upsets me, bc the reality is, nuance exists!!!

While there are some people out there with horrible, even offensive or concerning takes, not every single disagreement of opinion needs to be put on blast as if that person is bad for whatever point they’re trying to make. Because now suddenly everyone is giving their two cents, clogging the tag to the point where no one can escape it. Now we’re all uncomfortable. Who is that helping?? No one!

So if you’re like me and there’s certain things that make you uncomfortable, no matter how small or even major, BLOCK.

Maybe you are just like me and you give someone a few chances, only to finally block them after one too many posts that are just 😬

Or maybe you block right away the moment you see something you didn’t want to and don’t want to risk seeing again.

I just hate this tendency fandoms (it’s all fandoms, not just st or byler) have to attribute one or even a couple hundreds of fans opinions, to the entire fandom… and then project that onto the rest of us like “IF YOU THINK THIS! YOU ARE BAD!” Like be real, there are hundreds of thousands of us, exponentially chances are there are gonna be a great deal of people you won’t agree with. That doesn’t mean we have to ruin this space for everyone.

I really don’t want to do this again, bc like I said, im basically contributing to the very thing I hate. I hate that I feel this need to voice my feelings on something everyone is already talking about, and now i’m also taking away from the aspects of fandom that can be fun and welcoming and worthwhile.

It’s just unfortunate how all fandoms put themselves in this situation. We allow one or a few to control the vibe of the tag and suddenly you can’t find theories or headcanons or just fun banter between fans. All you see is virtue signaling and people trying to find someone to blame. And then we wonder why fandoms fizzle out with resentment. Because we ruin it for ourselves. We turn on each other for the sake of being right. And it just sucks.

At the end of the day, everyone has the right to say how they feel. By all means, that is your choice and you can do whatever feels right to you. But just know that not everyone is going to agree. And that’s not always a bad thing. And even if and when it is, we don’t have to make it EVERYONES business.

#byler #honestly this could apply to literally any fandom drama #recently with the whole hose joke…#or the hc that Mike has an Ed #fans discussing these concepts aren’t inherently bad or wrong #that’s my opinion #you can feel differently and voice it and that’s your choice #but let’s not turn it into a war of you must think/feel this way bc that’s how I feel #some of us are more sensitive #some of us are more confrontational #if we were all the same there wouldn’t be much to talk about #there are pros and cons that come with fandom #it comes with a territory #if you see something disturbing and want to call it out! go right ahead!!#but also.#BLOCK #and let’s move on.#let’s not make it everyone in the tags problem to contend with #or else this isn’t going to be a space anyone will want to be apart of if we have to all agree about everything #sometimes you disagree with mutuals takes but that doesn’t mean you need to put them on blast #i disagree with ppl I love sometimes #we exist #i love u all #might delete l8r #but still I just had to get this off my chest even tho i contradicted myself by posting it in the first place 😭#the byler tag is already over it too so pls ignore this post and let’s all move on 😅

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breadedsinner · 2 months

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My extremely cold take is that, while the option to play a woman is very cool and the sole reason I got into Mass Effect, and while her performance is considered by many to be superior, Femshep herself is not a Strong Female Character. When people include her in various Favorite Female Characters lists and such, I have to wonder if they’re mainly talking about the character that exists in their head.

At the very least, when discussing the fleshed out female characters of the series, to dismiss the other human women, including the sole Latina, to prop up the usually white readhead Jane. It’s not a very Girl’s Girl attitude.

#Me Tag #Yes this also applies to any other protagonist whose gender can be selected #Like don’t get it twisted #I love Hawke as a character #But to say she’s a better female character than say Isabela #Is just not fair #And like yeah femshep is considered superior in the fandom #Which has its own problems because there are lots of men under represented #Most regular players seem to go with MShep if not the default #idk I was just thinking about this one gifset of that ME3 commercial #Femshep and Ashley were fighting together #But the gifset cut out every bit of Ashley #And if that don’t say it all

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elsaqueenofstress · 2 years

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it's so hard having brain cells because you'll be watching a show and understand that all of characters are meant to be terrible or incredibly flawed, often for various reasons, and they aren't supposed to be competing for the Best Person Award because none of them qualify. and then you go online and the entire fandom is playing delusional campaign manager trying to prove that THEIR respective terrible person is actually morally and ethically perfect and deserving of complete sympathy and sooo much better than that OTHER terrible person who has more terrible person points if you calculate this action like that and you're like ohhhh. they need reading comprehension

#this goes out to #succession #barry #barry hbo #bojack horseman #the umbrella academy #tua #notes #s/o to the veep fandom for understanding that they're all awful and doing their thristposting alongside that #this probably applies to a million other fandoms im blocking out mentally #also to my good friends in the west side story tag #does anyone remember that ask where someone went 'well SOME of us grew up poor and racist so we can sympathize–#–with the jets more <3' and thought they made a point #it's how i feel whenever ppl talk about who's going to 'win' succession #THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A WINNER! WHAT SHOW DO YOU THINK YOU ARE WATCHING!

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piosplayhouse · 2 years

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Just came across the first unironic scum villain hate I've seen in months wow my blocking system is good. How do you , as a tgcf stan, say that mdzs has "some bad parts but is still ok to publish" but that scum villain "needs to be burned"

#i dont think reading anything automatically makes you a bad person because im not a 12 yr old on tiktok but lol imagine picking that #as your moral hill to die on #i still go with my argument that sqq is the most morally white of all the protags and this applies to his narration too-- he subverts age #diff kink so hard that he explicitly critiques sj for allegedly hitting on nyy and the old guy n die er #if we're going purely off real life problematic impact umm tgcf is literally racist lol . im not bringing this up as a gotcha or like stop #liking tgcf thing because i do think you can still like it while acknowledging its flaws but the way #'problematic' is measured for completely fictional characters instead of on real people who are hurt every day by stereotypes #really shows where modern fandom's priorities lie doesn't it #ahh just writing this stream of consciousness so if i said anything wrong mb also dont find this person and harass them or we they didnt #use the main tags i just found them off a stroke of bad luck

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fragmentsofthelore · 4 months

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#the lore memes #the lore #unreality #homestly this can apply to a lot of fandoms and all the characters here but the ones i was thinking of when making this were #character: maria #character: ermoly #character: elira #discourse tag #event: triple kill

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ladsofsorrow24 · 2 months

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my criteria for a ship to be obsessed with is always "if it inspire me to think, ponder, imagine, then that's my favorite ship"

that's why i usually don't really like canon ships because most of them don't inspire me to imagine things for them, the author had already provided it for me, the audience

(doesn't mean i hate them tho, i just don't find them that interesting to me as an artist)

#this is me thinking about how some of my friends who like yoshiden told me akiden is boring...#like... yeah TO YOU i guess but akiden is that ship that made me ponder all day long... even more than yoshiden #so to me i actually think yoshiden is the boring one because fujimoto already put it there in the manga #they don't inspire me much compared to the very cruel nature of akiden #also why at times i got really weird urge to draw makiden because i keep thinking how there's a lot of things that can happen between them #which frightens yet also excites me as an artist hehe #but yeah this doesn't just apply to chainsaw man but all the fandom i'm in #if the authors say a ship is canon usually i just feel very indifferent about em #but when the author ended the ship abruptly or somehow didn't explain anything about the evolution of certain character's relationships #my brain just goes haywire #but it also need to make me very emotionally attached to them and the story or it doesn't work #tmi tag

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starlooove · 2 months

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It just gets so frustrating lmao as a Batman fan if you wanna ignore racism and talks about racism and how ur behavior might just be a tad bit influenced by racial bias you can literally go everywhere else. Why are u going on the racism post and explaining how what u do specifically isnt racist. Like either ur wrong and lying or stupid or ur right and shouldn’t be here in the first place.

#and It’s like #Im so tired of ppl going ‘TOTALLY NOT ME THO?’#on a post and getting offended when people think maybe it might be them a little bit #hit dogs holler and all that #but idk I’ve never gone on a post saying stop being racist and posted ‘I’m not racist and I’m so mad ur implying I am bc of XYZ’#anywayyyys #if I were a tad bit more toxic I’d scroll through their Batman if they have one tag and see whether they really pay attention to poc or not #but i won’t bc I’ve changed #but also whether they do or don’t doesn’t even matter cause the issue is stretching the convo to apply to you when it didn’t and then #getting upset about how people think it applies to you personally #which nobody thought it did till you acted like this #and it even isn’t that big of a deal I’m just baffled bc convos on bafan racism are just. not that big #like i said earlier anywhere else to #have ur lil league tim Jason Al ghul black but can’t say nigga Jason tim is so pure and better than the mean brown kid hcs #like the issue is that fandom is extremely racist #u can go go everywhere else in fandom to ignore the convo bc of how racist it is #easy

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bigskydreaming · 1 year

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That trope where one guy didn’t realize the other guy was gay or bi and thus even an option, and gets UPSET over not knowing the other was gay/bi before, but then at the same time....has never said or done anything to make the other guy know that he too was gay or bi and thus an option, so....what right does he have to be...upset? Exactly?

I will never understand this trope, I hate it so much, like, is this just a thing where my experiences are not universal and maybe this is actually an experience many mlm have faced in real life, b/c in my experience not knowing another guy was interested in men before might be cause for like, being MUTUALLY frustrated over missed opportunities/wasted time, but not ONE of them getting MAD at the other like this is THEIR fault, but idk maybe that IS more common than I realize?

Or is this actually just a really dumb trope that’s just drama for the sake of drama and doesn’t actually put much thought or attention into the idea of the closet as like, an actual bad thing vs just an opportunity for miscommunication shenanigans and drama.

#i mean i realize this is a 'you can just say 911 fandom' kinda thing but at the same time its not even what I was thinking of until #i got to these tags lol but just putting this in there before someone says 'you can just say 911 fandom' lmao bc this definitely IS one #of the tropes that were too prevalent in that fandom for me to ever wade into it longterm and it remains a 'peripheral'#but like. ive actually seen this trope applied to waaaay too many pairings in way too many source medias and their fandoms #and i just. i dont get it. why is there not more like.....acknowledgment paid that you're centering the drama on one character being #hypocritical as fuck - which like that can be realistic! as a kneejerk reaction! - but like at least have the other character call him OUT #on it and be like umm you do not get to be MAD at me about this. all things considered. since hello pot I'm kettle #and seeing readers like....validate this as a source of drama in comments on fics like sends my head spinning off into another dimension #its like....what am I missing here? why are people interacting with this like its a REASONABLE response for one character to have to the #reveal the other character is attracted to men when they have done nothing to advertise or communicate that themselves either?

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raceispunk · 9 months

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Guys can we please start respecting people's religions without criticizing them and yes that means Christians too

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nellasbookplanet · 1 year

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The way people will be so needlessly mean about what essentially boils down to a difference in taste or fandom opinion baffles me.

#my take has always been 'if you wouldn’t say something out loud bc it might be hurtful then why would you post it publicly online'#idk i feel like we forget that the people reading said takes are in fact real people #we are so used to viewing fans and fandom as just. big swathes of people #when in fact it’s all individuals #anyway yes. this was triggered by the weird and recent 'how to tag polyship fics' that’s suddenly going around #i certainly agree more with one side than the other but both are acting like actual children throwing a tantrum #over what is literally just a difference of opinion #i guess what I'm trying to say is. pls don’t run around being mean and rude just bc you can #why would you do that #what do you get out of it other than a brief power trip from thinking you are above some random person on the internet #when in fact you are acting the exact same #and yes this applies to A Lot of fandom discourse #rambles

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layzeal · 1 year

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holy crap i think i can actually go into the tag now

#i think i finally blocked/blacklisted the right urls so going into the tag doesnt give me psychic damage #I CAN FINALLY. FIND AND REBLOG POSTS ON MY OWN #god. do people who purposely post drama and discourse and baity shit in the tag do not understand how theyre hurting creators #it just makes people not want to check the tag because it's annoying #which in turn makes artists not get as much traction and eventually stop posting #your annoying attention seeking inflamatory needs is literally killing the fandom #but i guss u got a funny reaction from someone who liked the character u hate so haha all worth it right?#god.#yes this is about #modao #but applies to any fandom tbh #lace speaks

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medicinemane · 6 months

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I do wonder what people would do if they felt all the pain they'd caused in the world

Not even the big stuff, we're not even talking stuff like politicians being forced to feel just how much damage they've done, we're talking about the small scale stuff

All the off hand comments that were thoughtless and hurt someone, all the harm done without even realizing how much harm you're doing

I think if I could I'd like to know, I'd like to see the places I've hurt others around me

But I don't know... I listen to some people and it's just like... I don't think you even begin to imagine the damage you're doing around you. I don't think you even remotely begin to think about not even strangers, but the harm you'll do to people you claim to care about

What are you gonna do though? People are allowed to say and act however they want at the end of the day and even if I tried to explain I don't think they could hear me

#ever since I had shit I liked really shit on I kinda changed my mind of how funny it was making fun of other people #and while this applies to stuff like fandom or whatever; it's really about things as a whole #you never know what people around you are dealing with and like...#I don't want to be the person who pushes someone into a darker place; way rather try and help them out of stuff #so I'm not saying I'm perfect; but I do try to choose my words with intention when I'm talking about certain stuff #I try to call my shots and make sure the my ire is hitting where I want it to instead of risking it splashing out and hitting people I like #none of it matters; people will behave how they wanna behave and there ain't shit I can do about it #and in the end we'll all defend what we do; me as much as anyone else I'm sure #but like... that's why I'm always talking about just checking in on the calibration of your moral compass #making sure it's where you want it; I'm not gonna tell you what that should be #though I suppose I will say that for me it tends to be focused on minimizing harm and maximizing help #you think I can't be sucked into hateful points of view?#get real; of course I could... might even already have some I'm just to blind to see; you know?#all I can do is try and check myself and check I'm not letting something like skepticism towards say a political group #start bleeding out and tagging unrelated people who are just standing next to them into my anger #make sure I've got a specific reason I'm mad; try to talk about behavior more than anything else #that's what I do; that's how I value things and how I try to keep my shit calibrated #but you do you; you're gonna do it anyway; so why would I try and stop you?#but there it is #...can I let you in on a little secret that I'm expecting no one's gonna read down here in the tags?#I wish I could breath all the pain and suffering and hurt anyone's ever caused me as a toxic miasma to seep into their bones #I wanna make everyone hurt just by making them understand the hurt they've put out into the world #one or two people that I'd spare cause despite the fact they hurt me often I like them way too much #and there's of course people who haven't hurt me #but I just want to fill people with every ounce of darkness they may have caused me; not even as a punishment; as a way to learn #people in this world are so thoughtless #but... whatever; there's a little bit of a secret I don't really ever say aloud #I want Soulcutter; I want to make people feel like I feel just so they grow some damn sympathy #the way it's described is so familiar; I think that my depression is severe enough I could use it #never draw it; hand resting on the hilt so you can remember how pointless it is to even both keeping your hand there

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fonulyn · 7 months

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since I've seen it talked about in several places recently:

if you are going to do a whump- or kink- or ANY-tober or other similar challenges please please please don't post them as one fic with 31 chapters unless it actually is one coherent fic. if they're 31 completely separate fics or ficlets then please just make a collection for them or just post them as separate fics. it doesn't matter if they're only 100 words or if you think they're too small or insignificant to post alone, they're not.

and why this?

because if you post all 31 of them in one fic the tagging is absolutely useless. if I look for things to read on ao3 I'm gonna look at the tags, and if the tags include something that's a dealbreaker for me, i won't even click on the fic. I might not even SEE the fic because I've filtered out the nope-tag! so I'm gonna lose out on reading 30 perfectly nice fics because of one fic that my nope-tag applied to.

ao3 is about archiving. it's about clear tagging and being informative. there is nothing informative about it if the tags in the fic apply to random chapters while others have nothing to do with it. it makes so much more sense to have each work as an individual fic with its own individual tags and warnings, so readers can make informed choices.

of course, you do you. I can't police what other people decide to do. but personally, I find it incredibly frustrating to weed through 31 chapters to find the ones I actually want to read. so I don't. I automatically scroll past all works posted like that. and I know some others do, too.

there is absolutely no shame in posting short things on ao3. there is no minimum word count. no one is going to look at you funny if you post a small ficlet on its own, I promise. it's just going to make some readers very happy when they can actually find the things they want to read.

so, please. at least consider the upsides of posting each work as their own fic.

signed, one very frustrated fandom grandma.

#ao3 #fanfic #fandom #I'm not trying to dictate what others do #so if you still wanna keep posting #completely unrelated works as chapters of one thing #then go for it #i'm not your mom #but please at least consider the alternative #and how much easier it'll be for people to #both find it and to make informed choices #of what they want to read

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indecisivecryptid · 1 year

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well im finally gonna go through and set up a tag system and tag my old posts, which im choosing to see as adding a table of contents to this scrapbook, but i Know ive already got the 10,000 posts congrats email and have never tagged and have had this blog since just before the porn ban in 2018 so this will be an Effort

#mostly I just want it set up so I can go through my old fandom reblogs with any degree of specificity cause trying to find a specific post #well we all know tumblrs search function is ass #also to find my few personal posts #spring break project ig #i think I’m just gonna mass apply the #to be tagged #to every post then just pull up that tag and edit from there like when bored at school #seems not the most efficient but effective for me

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