#rhaegar and lyanna

[darklinaforever]

Daemon & Rhaenyra (Daemyra), and Rhaegar & Lyanna (Rhaelya), are true romances. Whether or not the stupid antis or part of the ASOIAF fandom like it. Literally, people in this fandom have a real problem. When a woman chooses the man she wants, she obviously has to be groomed. Frankly, it's really pathetic. If it's an arranged marriage, most won't question it and just talk about the obvious historical context, but what if the relationship has the misfortune of being consensual by the woman ?! Oh no ! She must have been groomed ! Impossible that she would have chosen this handsome man who shared her feelings on her own ! This fandom is probably the most messed up of all...

#daemyra #rhaelya #daemon x rhaenyra #daemon and rhaenyra #rhaegar x lyanna #rhaegar and lyanna #daemon targaryen #rhaenyra targaryen #rhaegar targaryen #lyanna stark #fire and blood #f&b #hotd #anti hotd #house of the dragon #anti house of the dragon #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #team blacks #team black #pro team blacks #pro team black #anti team greens #anti team green #anti greens stans #anti green stans #anti greens #anti green

[la-pheacienne]

Asoiaf fans are doing their best to pretend that Lyanna and Rhaegar clearly didn't love each other. All for the prophecy :/

The prophecy discourse is the dumbest shit in the fandom and we have to let it die. Seriously. At the same time, I can't let it die because it annoys me that it is considered canon by the vast majority of the internet fandom. It's not just a crazy popular theory, it is literally considered canon. It's collective gaslighting of the highest order. So I really struggle with letting this go despite the fact that it is getting repetitive, because I really think that repetition in this case is actually useful at least to remind myself of what I felt when I read the story because otherwise being in this fandom is like idk, coming back to your old house after leaving it for 40 years and not feeling like it's your house anymore. It is absurd.

The biggest victim here is the interesting conversations/discourse/debates we could have had about Rhaegar, actual Rhaegar, the one from asoiaf. We don't have those because we get too absorbed in this AU bad fanfic Rhaegar that is somehow considered canon. What is actually interesting about the character is his narrative function in Robert's Rebellion (the actual one, not the AU one), the thematic implications of the character for asoiaf in general and his dynamics with main characters, like Jaime for instance. Now that would be interesting. But we don't have these conversations because having the entire fandom actually believing that Rhaegar is the Ash Ketchum of the Targs chasing dragon heads with poké balls is like a giant black hole that sucks in all nuance and all possible meaning really.

#rhaegar targaryen #lyanna stark #rhaegar and lyanna #asoiaf #anonymous

[saessenach]

What is honor compared to a woman’s love? What is duty against the feel of a newborn son in your arms… or the memory of a brother’s smile? Wind and words. Wind and words. We are only human, and the gods have fashioned us for love. That is our great glory, and our great tragedy.

Jon Snow - and family that haunts him, because sometimes ghosts make for the best love stories.

#asoiaf #my art #artists on tumblr #asoiaf fanart #valyrianscrolls #jon snow #rhaegar targaryen #lyanna stark #rhaelya #rhaegar x lyanna #r+l=j #a song of ice and fire #fanart #digital art #procreate #canonjonsnow #agot #adwd #grrm #i am obsessed with the fact that this boy has so many ghosts surrounding him #here are rhaegar and lyanna's ghosts getting handsy in the afterlife #and that is robb's crown bc there's also a legacy there #insane how jon's legacy is love #he's a bastard! and yet the outcome of an unlikely and impossible love #he was loved! otherwise this story makes no sense #anyway this has been in my wip folder for far too long #i must send it out into the world

[winterprince601]

i don't know how else to say it: jon snow comes from two long lines of reckless magical bullshit and is basically a melting pot of feral royal blood but that's less important than the fact that he was raised by ned stark.

#jon snow #asoiaf #asoiaf meta #house stark #ned stark #asoiaf shitpost #eddard stark #best dad #a song of ice and feels #maybe #i think it's incredibly important that rhaegar and lyanna created jon #i think their legacies will be influential on him and his status as targaryen-stark has magical significance #but they didn't PARENT him #congrats to ned for making the chosen one a levelheaded anxious man who cares more about his little sister than the existential threat #and a GREAT haggler :)

[amoratearte]

“Not sour, no, but there was a melancholy to Prince Rhaegar, a sense […] of doom. He was born in grief, my queen, and that shadow hung over him all his days.”

#prince rhaegar #rhaegar targaryen #lyanna stark #rhaegar x lyanna #rhaelya #a song of ice and fire #asoiaf #asoiaf fanart #fanart #procreate #digital painting #game of thrones #got fanart #house targaryen #house stark #hotd #house of the dragon #hotd fanart #sketch

[pulksten-blog]

#asoiaf #lyanna stark #elia martell #my art #rhaegar targaryen

[amber-laughs]

He loves him. He raised him. That’s his son.

"Come, let us see what mischief my sons have rooted out now."

He hates him. A constant reminder of the worst days his of his life. The weight of House Stark on his shoulders with no warning.

“He dreamt an old dream, of three knights in white cloaks, and a tower long fallen, and Lyanna in her bed of blood.”

He doesn’t miss him.

“The thought of Winterfell brought a wan smile to his face. He wanted to hear Bran's laughter once more, to go hawking with Robb, to watch Rickon at play.”

He begs, in his dying hour, for one last moment with him.

“The thought of Jon filled Ned with a sense of shame, and a sorrow too deep for words. If only he could see the boy again, sit and talk with him…”

He’s his greatest shame.

“I've never lain with any woman but Cersei. In my own way, I have been truer than your Ned ever was. Poor old dead Ned. So who has shit for honor now, I ask you? What was the name of that bastard he fathered?"

He’s his highest honor.

“The Starks were not like other men. Ned brought his bastard home with him, and called him "son" for all the north to see.”

He’s his darkest lie.

“Catelyn had asked her husband the truth of it, asked him to his face. That was the only time in all their years that Ned had ever frightened her. “Never ask me about Jon,” he said, cold as ice.”

He’s his kept promise.

“Promise me, she had cried, in a room that smelled of blood and roses. Promise me, Ned. The fever had taken her strength and her voice had been faint as a whisper, but when he gave her his word, the fear had gone out of his sister's eyes.”

#oh to love your son so devoutly but resent your nephew so desperately #i need grrm to forgo secrecy and just openly talk about ned/jon/lyanna/rhaegar i HAVE to know everything #their relationship is so intriguing to me coming only second to jon and catelyn’s i think #jon snow #ned stark #lyanna stark #R+L=J #asoiaf #valyrianscrolls #game of thrones

[corviids]

wip of the doomed by the narrative family

#will this ever make it out of the wip trenches ? who knows #asoiaf #lyanna stark #jon snow #rhaegar targaryen

[atopvisenyashill]

Is Lyanna really as terrible as some people portray her as?

no, not even a little bit.

the absolute most important thing about lyanna is that when she dies she is only 16. i am someone who works with kids - i work in a library so i spend most of my days cleaning up after tweens and asking teenagers to please stop doing dumb shit- and the first thing anyone who has ever worked with kids and especially teenagers is that they may look like adults but they are NOT. they don’t understand boundaries, they have next to zero impulse control, and every bad thing that happens feels like the worst thing ever because it very likely IS the worst thing they’ve ever experienced bc they have not been alive that long!

and this goes for every single teen & tween character in this series, not just lyanna! shit, i am someone who feels an immense amount of sympathy for joffrey! on one side he’s got his mother telling him he can do anything he wants with no repercussions and on the other he’s got his father hitting him so hard that stannis thought joffrey was going to die. and then he is given unchecked power and told not to abuse it! EYE cannot even guarantee that i wouldn’t use unchecked power to do shady shit and i am a fully grown adult, not a traumatized, irrationally, and deeply vindictive 13 year old boy.

but honestly the most important thing about lyanna is that we have ZERO CONTEXT for what happens between her and Rhaegar. What we have is

Ned’s sparse & guilt ridden thoughts about Lyanna and one (1) comment about Rhaegar

Robert’s angry, entitled, and grief ridden outbursts about Lyanna and Rhaegar

Barristan’s incredibly romanticized, guilt & grief ridden take on their relationship

Meera’s second hand account of Lyanna, told to her by a father who is likely just as guilt & grief ridden as the others, who likely has his own view of Lyanna

What’s important to note is that our view of her is heavily filtered through the eyes of the men that knew her. Robert loves an idealized version of her that never existed. Barristan never actually knew her. Ned is not only viewing her under 200 layers of guilt and grief, but very obviously does not understand his sister, or why she made the choices she did, and struggles constantly with knowing that he will never know her the way he wishes he could, the way he thought he did. Given the way Meera describes Lyanna, I actually think Howland is our most accurate look at her but even that is buried behind years of grief & a fair amount of hero worship and affection (“that’s my fathers man you’re kicking howled the she-wolf” is a line that makes me WEEP for this exact reason; Howland sees Lyanna as his hero above all else!).

All of that to say - we don't even know what Lyanna did that was so terrible! Even if she was a grown woman capable of making rational decisions, we have no idea what her decisions were. She could have been lied to, misled, kidnapped, threatened, just as surely as she could have walked into the situation with open eyes. Even in the show, with a slightly aged up Lyanna - we get, what, just Sam's opinion on Rhaegar and Lyanna being in love because they got hitched? Completely ignoring the fact that we had several women in this series get married not because they were in love or willing but because someone more powerful decided on it and that was that, so there's still no evidence that Lyanna had enough information about the situation to make any sort of informed, consensual decision.

so no, i do not hold lyanna responsible for anything at all that happened regardless of how it happened because she was not mentally mature enough to understand what the hell was going on. a 15 year old is just not mature enough to think “if i run off with this married man, it’s going to cause a cascade of political issues that could have disastrous consequences.” what she’s probably thinking is “this man says he can help me and i am fucking miserable and no one else will listen.” it’s why we don’t throw 15 year olds who run away to meet up with old dudes they met online in jail when they’re caught (or theoretically why we don’t punish them at any rate). There is one person and one person only who is responsible for the massive fuck up that is the Elia-Rhaenys-Aegon-Lyanna-Jon mess and that is RHAEGAR, the person with the most amount of power who used it in the dumbest way imaginable and got himself, most of his heirs, his wife, and his teenaged mistress killed. The only other people responsible are the Kingsguard who kept Lyanna under lock and key while she lay dying and pleading for her brother to come save her.

#lyanna stark #anti rhaegar targaryen #valyrianscrolls #gender politics in asoiaf #mariages in asoiaf #asks #anons

[knightsickness]

‘the last thing rhaegar said was ‘lyanna’ like how the last thing robb said was ‘grey wind’ and the last thing jon said was ‘ghost’ so rhaegar warged lyanna and then immediately died in childbirth’ IS the funniest asoiaf theory bar none that’s so rhaegar

#asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #rhaegar targaryen #lyanna stark

[darklinaforever]

Me, when people try to claim that Rhaegar was a bad person and the relationship with Lyanna was toxic / kidnapping / raping...

These people really don't know how to read.

Also, there would have been a mess in Westeros even without the romance of these two. You have to stop the bullshit after a while.

#a song of ice and fire #asoiaf #asoiaf fandom #grrm #grr martin #george rr martin #fire and blood #house of targaryen #house targaryen #lyanna stark #rhaegar targaryen #rhaelya #rhaegar x lyanna #lyanna x rhaegar #rhaegar and lyanna #lyanna and rhaegar #anti robert baratheon #anti team greens #anti greens stans #anti greens #team blacks #pro team blacks

[catofoldstones]

Idk which 16 year old needs to hear this but that 24 year old with a family is not into you. He’s just convinced that his child is the prince that was promised in an ancient, carried-down prophecy and only wants this child through you.

#lyanna stark #asoiaf #fuck rhaegar targaryen all my homies hate rhaeghar targaryen #and hit send #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti rhaelya

[saessenach]

working on a wee storyboard thing - a certain prince gets knocked off his horse while chasing the Knight of the Laughing Tree and shenanigans ensue

#asoiaf #lyanna stark #rhaegar targaryen #rhaelya #my art #asoiaf fanart #valyrianscrolls #the knight of the laughing tree #rhaegar x lyanna #wip #artists on tumblr #fanart #digital art #r+l=j

[nedseii]

We’ve seen Rhaegar in your style (who looks amazing btw) but I’ve wondered if you drew Lyanna Stark too before? :o

Sheeeeeeeee

#asoiaf #lyanna stark #ask #myart #I'm glad you like my stinky Rhaegar Anon tysm!!

[eonweheraldodemanwe]

Jon Snow has lived all his life thinking his father cheated on his wife, only to discover with parentage reveal that his dad cheated on his wife.

Poor guy.

#asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #jon snow #ned stark #catelyn tully #rhaegar targaryen #elia martell #lyanna stark

[spectrum-color]

So we all know GRRM, like all authors, took a lot of inspo from real life fairy tales, religion, and mythology. There are a ton of parallels but I picked out a few to put in this poll

Propaganda: Before anyone says anything, I know a lot of these are dark spins on the original. I’m not trying to say Littlefinger is a handsome prince or whatever. Also note that some of this is based on either things that haven’t happened yet but are highly likely to happen in Winds/Dream up to and including being confirmed by GRRM.

Arya and Jaqen as Hades and Persephone-the young maiden of spring is found by the lord of the underworld, who gives her an object (in this case a coin) to trick her into being trapped in the world of the dead. When she leaves home, winter comes, but when she returns, so does spring.

Sansa as Rapunzel-a princess locked in a tower by an evil sorceress (or just queen) who is spirited away by a man who wants to marry her. Strong focus on her hair as a symbol of her identity.

The Brotherhood Without Banners as Robin Hood and his Merry Men-a band of outlaws who defend the common people against corrupt authority figures. This one is really self explanatory.

Cersei as the evil queen and Margaery/Sansa/eventually Dany as Snow White-a vain, cruel women terrified of her beauty fading and being replaced by a younger woman who outshines her, so she tries to destroy her perceived rival, ultimately leading to her own downfall. The girls in Snow Whites slot are the popular choices for the identity of the YMBQ and the one Cersei is currently convinced it is.

Jaime and Brienne as Beauty and the Beast-a double subversion. Jaime is handsome and Brienne is ugly, but when they meet she’s brave and kind while he’s selfish and cruel, so it’s the beast who helps the beauty be better.

Lyanna, Rhaegar, and Robert as Helen of Troy, Paris, and Menelaus-a beautiful woman fiercely desired by two powerful men, she either runs off with or is kidnapped by a prince, leading to her (soon to be) husband retaliating by starting a tragic war.

Stannis and Shireen as Agammemon and Iphegenia-a king and commander sacrifices his daughter to the gods to win a war. Bonus if this ends up causing Stannis’ downfall.

Lady Stoneheart as Demeter-a mother wanders the land bringing destruction and misery as she searches for her daughter(s.) When her daughters return to her, spring comes.

Cersei and Jaimes children as the emperor wearing no clothes-the emperor walks around naked insisting that he’s a wearing magic invisible outfit, but everyone is afraid to tell him the truth until finally a child points out that he’s wearing nothing at all. See: everyone pretending not to notice that Cerseis children are the result of incest with her brother, and Ned finally realizing the truth when his 11 year old daughter points out that Joffrey is nothing like Robert.

Bran as the Fisher King-the Fisher King is a character from Arthurian myth. He is the guardian of the magical holy grail, protecting it so it (and power) does not fall into the hands of the unworthy. Notably, he also has a deliberating injury to his legs or groin (depending on the version.) Of course the endgame Bran of the show is a blatant rip-off of Leto II from Children of Dune, but I think the Fisher King sounds more like GRRM would do.

Dany as Moses-a leader who has prophetic visions, who after performing a miracle, frees her people from slavery and leads them on a harsh journey to a new land. Notably regarded as a critically important figure by a monotheistic religion.

#a song of ice and fire #asoiaf #lyanna stark #rhaegar targaryen #robert baratheon #jaime lannister #cersei lannister #sansa stark #tommen lannister #joffrey lannister #myrcella lannister #arya stark #jaqen h'ghar #danerys targaryen #margaery tyrell #shireen baratheon #catelyn stark #I almost put jon as cinderella #but I feared the flame war it could kick off