#queer discussions

[insaniquariumfish]

You can't say that you want people to be free from the oppression of gender whilst emphasizing the importance and significance of gender, and making sure that everyone has a word that describes them in terms of gender, and fixating on what type of gender different activities, roles, preferences, and aesthetics go along with, and treating gender identity as a neutral, innate property of people's beings whilst ignoring the fact that gender itself is a harmful and arbitrary social construct with deep roots in patriarchy.

Not only are you not doing anything to the loosen the chokehold that gender has on society, you are actively helping to keep it in place by ensuring that people are always defined socially by their gender and that gender dominates a person's conception of their identity. Your way of approaching and conceptualizing of gender ensures that the gender binary not only stays in place, but stays strong and polarized, because how else can people be transgender? "Feminine" must continue to be a relevant term, one that means something entirely different from and opposite to "masculine," and both must continue to be conceptually distinguishable from "nonbinary," or else the whole thing falls apart.

What you claim constitutes "fighting against gender" is the equivalent of "fighting against capitalism" by buying an overpriced t-shirt made in a sweatshop and sold by a mega corporation that says "eat the rich" on it. You are not helping to abolish the system. You are painting the gears and sprinkling the pipes with glitter and declaring the result to be something new and better while the actual workings of the system chug on unfazed. You are doing just as much to uphold traditional notions of gender as conservatives.

If you really want to rob gender of its power to harm, then instead of encouraging people to pick the gender identity they're most comfy with, you should be encouraging people to do away with gender altogether. You should cast aside the idea that "man" or "woman" are terms that necessarily must indicate something about someone beyond denoting their physical sex, that gender as a concept is valid and real and useful and needed. Because it isn't. Gender is bullshit, it is arbitrary, it is equally as objectively real as stock values, it cannot indicate or represent any kind of innate truth, and it is fundamentally interwined with patriarchy. True liberation and freedom of identity and expression can only come from true liberation from the idea that gender must be part of that identity and expression, from recognizing oneself as complete and valid without relying on an outdated and ultimately useless concept that is inextricably linked with oppression and harm.

#trans #transgender #lgbt #lgbtqia #queer #nonbinary #genderqueer #mtf #ftm #gender #gender abolition #feminism #discourse #queer discourse #queer discussions

[kawaiixchaotic]

IS IT JUST ME OR: i feel like there should be a big conversation about the wave of femme lesbians turning to childhood tv shows like jem & the holograms, strawberry shortcake, bratz, barbie, sailor moon, cardcaptor sakura, monster high, etc. not only for the nostalgia but also as a medium of self-exploration and finding new ways to express femininity after unlearning all the comphet + internalized lesbophobia and realizing that they had based their ideas on femininity on what is attractive to men. like.. i love that for us

#femme lesbian #cute #sapphic #wlw #barbie #bratz #queer discussions #nonbinary lesbians #lesbian #strawberry shortcake #sailor moon #cardcaptor sakura #monster high #jem and the holograms #lgbtq #afrodite speaks

[sambot2000xp]

BRING BACK THE QUEER SOLIDARITY!!!!!

LESBIANS ARE AWESOME, BI PEOPLE ARE AWESOME, NON-LABLED PEOPLE ARE AWESOME, PAN PEOPLE ARE AWESOME, IF YOU DO NOT EVEN CARE FOR CATEGORIES OR CALLING YOURSELF QUEER… YOU ARE AWESOME!!!

WE HAVE FACED TOO MUCH TO TEAR EACH OTHER APART.

OUR HISTORY IS SO BEAUTIFUL. WE MUST CONTINUE BEING BRAVE AND EXPRESSING OURSELVES.

#queer discourse #queer #gay #lesbian #bi #biseuxal #pan #pansexuel #lgbtq #sapphic #queer discussions #queer issues

[justrustandstardust]

Can I ask your opinion on answer to this : https://www.tumblr.com/gojuo/742796780522061824/is-satosugu-a-queerbaiting-ship?source=share ?

for reference, this is the post anon is talking about. feel free to check it out for context before reading my response.

this person is basically saying that stsg cannot be romantic because there is no romance depicted between them onscreen; all of their interactions are meant to be regarded through a platonic lens because it's never explicitly indicated (in canon) to do otherwise.

this goes back to the whole idea of "projecting" queerness onto geto and gojo despite them being queered already, which i've touched on before. i'm going to respond to this person's ideas in two main parts: 1) queerbaiting and 2) canon, alongside the idea of "shipping".

as an idea, queerbaiting refers to the marketing technique employed by creators and publishers to increase a media's appeal, achieved through teasing a queer connection between two characters romantically unentangled in canon. queerbaiting dangles the proverbial carrot in front of the audience only to snatch it back with forced love interests or open declarations of brotherhood. it operates along the binary of friends/heterosexuals and queered/romance, dangling the carrot in front of the latter only to resolutely plant their feet in the former.

shockingly, i actually agree with this person— gojo and geto are not queerbaiting because they are queer-coded. the blatant difference between baiting and coding is that the former uses the appeal of fetishism as a marketing mechanism and the latter employs subtextual traits, literary devices and narratorial mechanisms that are recognizable as queer without being stated outright.

queerbaiting is always negative; it operates through stereotypes and functions to create the illusion of representation to ultimately reify the sex/gender binary. queercoding, on the other hand, functions in a more neutral space to create all forms of representation. (although western media has historically queercoded villains, which is an example of negative mechanization).

when engaging in discourse around queerbaiting, it's important to remember that queerness does not present uniformly across borders and time periods. when we seek open declarations of love as affirmations of queerness, we are seeking western representations of queerness, which are often founded in romantic love. the person who wrote this post is engaging in a solipsistic analysis from a western perspective, a perspective of which too often assumes the 'default' in anglophone fan spaces.

gojo and geto are not meant to be interpreted through a western lens because they are not borne of the west. applying a western conception of queerness to them as a barometer is unfair, incongruous and downright disrespectful to their characters. it's akin to shoving a box into a circular hole and declaring the box at fault for not being able to fit. simply because gojo and geto do not fit your static conception of queerness does not negate the core tenets of their characters that can only be understood through a queered lens, albeit a non-western one.

this brings me to my second point, which regards conceptions of canon and the practice of shipping. this person applies the same binary to fandom/canon spaces as they do sex/gender, dichotomizing jjk media into 'source' materials and 'fan-generated' content, much of which they relegate to the "stsg shippers [that] forc[e]their headcanons down your throat and manipulat[e] you into believing that shit".

a guiding principle amongst purists of any media is that there is "original" and "unbastardized" content, and then there are fan "mutilations" of said content that come after. they maintain a sanctimonious attitude and imply that people who engage in bastardizing media therefore understand the "source" content to a lesser degree (a requisite qualification to engage in mutilation).

in polarizing fan content and 'source' content, purists willfully blind themselves to the true essence of media— it does not exist independently of the imagination of the populous, it is made and continues to be made of the populous' imagination itself. once created, each re-imagination is not adjunct to the 'source' material but rather an extension of it on an equal ontological plane.

functioning less like an island in the ocean of our worldly milieu, media is more of a current, pushing and pulling on different sociocultural forces and being shaped by them in return. regarding it in a puritanical manner is a perversion of its nature because media does not merely live in the world, it becomes the world around it.

this person divorces so-called 'fan' content from 'original' material, and derisively declares that "Theories you read? That's fandom. Art you reblog? Fandom. Memes you consume and regurgitate? Fandom. Sending me asks about JJK? You're engaging in fandom". in doing this, they fundamentally do not understand that the two are inseparable because they are co-constitutive. jjk is fandom, and fandom is jjk.

fan culture is not supplemental to 'source' content; it a manifestation of media achieving its intended purpose, which is to join the world that bred it. fandom is perhaps the highest form of intellectual engagement with jjk because it executes the understanding that media exists within the world and not outside of it.

the things fans create are not inferior or antithetical to the 'source' media; however, i'm not saying that they're all inherently favourable either— they can be anything because they can just be. media invites itself into our world and in doing so, sends an amorphous invitation back. when you pompously declare that "in canon there is no romantic love between those two and there never has been", you slap the hand that extends itself to you and defy the maxim of media: it is not prescriptive, it is participatory.

when people acknowledge that gojo and geto are queercoded and choose to understand their coding in a romantic context, they are not "forc[ing] their headcanons and misinterpretations of the material down everyone's throats". they optimize media's purpose and reach back towards the waiting hand of fiction instead of isolating jjk and forcing it out of the creative medium that birthed it. "shipping" is one form of engagement amongst many, and is a reductive term that belies the intricate textual analysis required to arrive at its conclusion.

one key dimension of the "shipping" discourse is that it's mainly conducted by people who aren't men. men, in principle, are used to dominating every discursive space. to them, it is utterly flabbergasting that people who aren't them might have more insight into their favourite media than they do; nuanced and complex insight at that. compressing the discourse about stsg into "shipping" is reductive and disregards the complex conceptual and narrative analysis conducted to reach the so-called "shipping" conclusion, a practice which requires analytical capabilities that elude the men who deride them.

maybe the people who are "annoying as fuck" are not the "stsg shippers" but the people who insist on interacting with jjk in a purely prescriptive context, clinging to a vacuous relationship with their favourite media and removing themselves from its most authentic, intellectual and enjoyable facet in the process.

#my jjk thoughts #sorry for the long ass ramble i had many thoughts lmfao #ask #stsg #satosugu #jjk #jujutsu kaisen #satosugu analysis #satosugu meta #stsg brainrot #jujutsu kaisen analysis #jujutsu kaisen meta #queer discourse #lgbt discourse #fandom culture #fandom discourse #jjk fandom #gojo satoru #geto suguru #gojo x geto #satoru x suguru #satosugu brainrot #queer fiction #queer discussions #shipping discourse #shipping things #fan culture #queer media #queer jjk #queer jujutsu kaisen

[a-clucking-system]

friendly reminder

VALID:

non binary lesbians ✅

agender lesbians ✅

genderless lesbians ✅

demigirl lesbians ✅

genderfluid lesbians ✅

librafemme / libraandrogyne lesbians ✅

transmasc lesbians (not male identifying) ✅

gender non-conforming lesbians, as long as they don't identify as male ✅

he/him lesbians, because pronouns ≠ gender ✅

NOT VALID:

demiboy lesbians ❌

libramasculine lesbians ❌

trans male lesbians ❌

cis male lesbians ❌

ANY OTHER MALE ALIGNED LESBIAN ❌❌❌❌❌

#anti lesboy #anti turigirl #anti mspec gay #anti mspec lesbian #queer discourse #queer discussions #lgbt pride #lgbtq community #anti radqueer #radqueers fuck off #anti radinclus #radinclus fuck off #anti good faith identities #MEN CANNOT BE LESBIANS #LESBIANS CANNOT LIKE MEN #THIS SHOULDNT BE A CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT

[toastybugguy]

one time my friend and I were talking about queer exclusion discourse, and they said “it’s because we’re applying linear labels to non-linear concepts”, and idk I think about that a lot.

you have the right to use or not use labels however you want — your feelings, your being, are yours. in the end, we’re just trying to find words to define the undefinable, so do what makes your life easier. your queerness is yours to own however it suits you.

#toasty talks #the notes on the recent aro post has me thinkin abt it again #queer #queer discussions #queer discourse #anti exclusionist

[drakey-wakey]

okay opinion time hopefully not controversial in this day and age but. i really got to say this.

to the binary trans folks who have gotten over your transmedicalist phase and now are inclusive and cool, please stop approaching every single nonbinary person and outing yourself as an ex-k*lvin g*rrah ass. like fr you had internalized transphobia and was radicalized by assholes to blame other trans people for societal problems that cis people cause! that shit sucks! and im proud of you for figuring out that it is harmful and doing work to better yourself! welcome to the team!

but us nonbinary folk do not really need to hear about how you would have bullied us in high school, or how you used to be a transmed who blamed us for all of your problems but have gotten over it now. its actually pretty hurtful, especially to the enby folks who then feel like they have to congratulate you on seeing them as human beings and not freaks. those are your feelings and problems to process on your own time and really really do not need to be shared with the class, thanks

#queer #lgbt #nonbinary #trans man #transmasculine #transmasc #trans male #ftm #trans woman #transgender #queer discussions #might be opening pandoras box by posting An Opinion but. have at er i guess gotta post this one

[januscorner]

I have trouble getting mad at radqueers sometimes because a lot of them are just kids with clear untreated issues. Especially transharm. Like as horrible as that is these people are very clearly dealing with some severe mental illness and I honestly just feel bad for them. They needed help and instead fell into a space that just made it worse. And again from what I’ve seen a lot of them a children.

#anti rq #anti radqueer #anti transid #intrusive thoughts #queer discussions #Janus’s Corner

[insaniquariumfish]

Kind of wild how the LGBT+ community went from "gender is a harmful and arbitrary social construct that is completely separate from sex and that should be done away with so people can be liberated from its oppressive nature" to "actually the concept of abolishing gender is bigoted and transphobic because people need gender or else they'll kill themselves and also gender is objectively real and innate and present from birth" in what seems like less than a decade.

Like my views as a gender abolitionist wouldn't exist if it weren't for all the "actually gender is just a social construct" discourse that used to take place. Never mind how utterly nonsense it is to claim that gender itself is fake and made up but that gender identity is real and innate. How can you innately identify as a made up social construct? If you were born and raised as the only human on a planet occupied by genderless robots, would you still feel like wearing dresses or shaving your legs or wearing cargo shorts or chugging beer at a sports bar affirmed your gender? Would you even have a conception of gender at all? No! Because it's a social construct! And if your response to this is to say, "well, I would still have sexual dysphoria, so I would still be transgender," then you are conflating sex with gender and therefore sexual dysphoria with gender dysphoria and therefore transsexual with transgender, when those are not the same thing. Another concept that I was only introduced to because of queer discourse!

It honestly feels like the queer community is shifting into some kind of bizarro backwards inverse version of itself at this point. This is far from the only example of a radical shift in the kinds of ideas that are being spread, legitimized, and accepted that I've seen. Shit that would garner praise ten years ago for being progressive and enlightened will now get you canceled for being a bigot. Things that were staples of a queer understanding of the world are now derided as hateful and phobic. And this isn't a simple case of "well the times change and what we used to see as progressive we now realize was still pretty messed up," like core and foundational ideas and concepts are being cast aside and swapped out for ones that are fundamentally incompatible with, and sometimes even the direct opposite of, them. What happened?

#lgbt #lgbtqia #queer #trans #transgender #nonbinary #genderqueer #gender #queer discussions #queer discourse #ftm #mtf #gay #gender abolition

[trlvsn]

tiktok users are fucking killing me im sorry. just saw that one "if _ was a crime" trend with "if being gay was a crime"... you are aware that. it still is. a crime. in a lot of countries. people get the death penalty. you are aware of that right

and i'm sure that if i scrolled a couple of times after that video i would see some guy with one slightly feminine feature and the comments calling him "zesty" and asking him if "his gun is pink" as if that's normal and friendly behavior?? honestly it might be a reach but if someone shouted "gay!" at me in the street i would assume it wasn't an allyship moment, i would assume they meant it as something homophobic. you are ridiculing people for femininity and that's just not cool no matter how trendy the terms and copy-pasted comments are. sigh

#sorry it's not ace attorney related but i have fucking had enough #stop calling real people fruity for no reason!!! it's weird!!!! #and on the topic of that: touch of the tism is also not a cool phrase #tiktok #tw homophobia #tw tiktok users #cw homophobia #gay #queer discourse #queer discussions #raysidk

[kawaiixchaotic]

billie eilish has been dropping hints about her sapphic attraction for years but felt pressured out of the closet on the red carpet today, bc it's all the interviewers kept fixating on. yes she said she is physically attracted to women in an interview recently but ppl keep pushing for details that we are not entitled to. and everyone's so happy about it too, which is funny to me. y'all switch up quick. remember when y'all accused her of "queerbaiting" over a music video and an instagram caption? bc i do. the only reasoning you all had was that she had only ever (publicly) been with boys. as if one cannot like both boys and girls. as if one has to use dating history to earn queer credit if they are attracted to multiple genders. that, and her saying she was "straight as a ruler" one time when she was 15 or smthn, which, let's get real. we've all said that. i said that. and now I'm a lesbian.

a similar situation happened with kit connor from heartstopper. he held hands with a girl and you all went fucking ballistic. to me his case was worse bc he got practically kicked and shoved out of the closet. he didn't get to come out on his own terms. i hope you guys aren't still expecting anything from that poor kid, bc he doesn't owe any of you bullies anything, and i wouldn't blame him if thoughts about the heartstopper fandom leave a bad taste in his mouth to this day.

so why am i bringing all this up? bc there's something particular about the online LGBTQ+ community that has been bothering me for years now: Check your biphobia. Because clearly it is affecting your worldview a whole lot more than you think, no matter how young you are, or how progressive you think you are.

Any public figure who even alludes to liking multiple genders, you put under a microscope. you wait for them to "prove it" to you. any action they take that doesn't feel queer enough to you, you pounce. they are (i feel, deliberately) misinterpreted and ostracized, and what hurts most is, we are supposed to be there for anyone who is questioning their sexuality as a safe space, to help them figure themselves out, answer their questions. and yet somehow we've become their biggest opps. what hurts more is the fact that it's mostly very young people doing this! I don't know if you're all just looking for things to be mad at or what. But I could honestly rant about this for all of eternity so let me end it with this:

TLDR; by taking the stance that public figures have to show and prove their queerness, you are furthering biphobic stererotypes, and by drawing the ridiculous conclusion that an individual is "queerbaiting," (which is a corporate marketing tactic, ffs) you are freezing them in time and being unreasonable about the amount of growth and self-discovery we do as human beings. grace should not only be afforded to those who are "out," and only validating queerness if someone announces it is unfair and ignores the many circumstances that could prevent someone from coming out, like risking danger at home, legal persecution, or simply a want for privacy. STOP BEING SUCH INSUFFERABLE LITTLE ASSHOLES.

Thank you for coming to my TEDTalk.

#lgbtq #lesbian #sapphic #queer discussions #queer discourse #bi solidarity #biphobia #real people can't queerbait #queerbaiting #rant post #billie eilish #kit connor #heartstopper #bisexuality

[karmicpunishment]

im so over the resurgence of (following the premiere of heartstopper s2 i've seen) the comparison or degradation of genres of queer media, even (and honestly especially) by in the queer community.

like i don't expect everyone to like heartstopper or shows like it, and you certainly don't need to watch it, but i'm tired of people puttng it down because its "just a teen rom-com" or because its focused on kids or because its not doing anything "particulalry new" or whatever ppl are saying doesn't make it bad or worthless. y

i'm sorry that the current entertainment industry and streaming services and everything like it have convinced you there can only be One Queer Media of one type or at all. thats not true. queer media can and should be as common as non-queer media. you don't need to prove one as better than another or whatever people are trying to do.

a slice-of-life show about two boys in highschool falling in love and their friends doesn't mean there can't also be a show about two lesbians in highschool. it doesn't mean we can have a movie about middle-aged people discovering themselves and their queer identities. it doesn't mean we can't have books about old gay people being happy. it doesn't mean we can't have stories about intersex people or aromantic people or polyam people or anything else.

don't let them convince you our stories need to be limited. don't let them tell you theres a limited demand or supply or quanitity of queer content to be made. don't let them make us hate each other and not the people canceling projects.

#sorry i just hate these kinds of rhetorics #and ive been seeing more and more this past week #and it's so frustrating #heartstopper s2 #heartsopper #queer community #queer discussions #queer discourse #discourse #streaming #tv shows #movies #gay #lgbt #lgbtq community #lgbtqia #lgbtq+ #also you're not a better or more interesting person for hating something 'mainstream' #im not saying heartstoppers perfect or that you have to love #obvi not #but why must you put it (and other medias like it) down to make others seem better or like they matter more #there's no limit on how many times our stories should be told #karmic's thoughts

[s0upymlm]

Gay men aren’t something for you to fetishize, gay men are not something to be the punching bag of your jokes, gay men are not something for you to infantilize and treat like children. Telling gay men to “get better” for liking men is homophobic, and I’m tired of seeing it in queer spaces.

To all gay men/nwlnw/mlm, I love you all, you all are great and deserve love and affectionate, you don’t deserve to be made fun of for being gay. Keep going strong lads

#mlm #gay mlm #gay #trans gay man #mlm blog #t4t mlm #nbylm #mlm yearning #gay yearning #lgbt #queer #queer discussions #vent kinda #I’m just so tired of gay men being treated like this in queer spaces #do NOT tag as q slur

[a-clucking-system]

(this is a genuine ask btw :3)

Why don't you support mspec gays/L=lesbians, turigirl, lesboy, etc?

1) boys cant be lesbians

2) girls cant be gay (not the umbrella term, im talking as in achillean)

3) mspec gay/lesbian just defeats the entire purpose of gay/lesbian, as gay = non woman loving non women, and lesbian = non man loving non man (this is also why lesboys and turigirls cannot exist). it also implies that mspec people (not including pansexuals) cannot have a preference.

i do support lesboy being used as a RECLAIMED term for lesbians who do not identify as a man but are comfortable using masculine labels. i think when reclaimed, its actually a really cute label for tmasc/agender/non binary/etc lesbians to better describe their relationship with gender.

if you have any other questions, feel free to send in another ask!

#anti mspec lesbian #anti mspec gay #anti lesboy #anti turigirl #queer discourse #queer discussions #lgbtqia #lgbtq community #lgbt pride #tw discourse #answered asks #asks #serious asks

[ashenpumpkin]

There's a lot of things to say about queer spaces and communities, and how great they are. but i have a lot to say about how horrible they are. more specifically how horrible they are to men

This entire thing is based on my, and my friends experiences as men and trans men in the queer community

In general, men are made to feel unwelcome in queer spaces, we're made to feel like we're intruding, as if we're a danger to everyone. Our opinions are ignored and pushed aside, our existence glossed over whenever discussion happens.

Look at all the "queer art boards" you see here on tumblr, or all the people shouting inclusivity in queer spaces. 99% of the time, those art boards and all that inclusivness is simply sapphic + non binary people. All the art posted is about women, trans women, and sapphic relations, all discussion is always about sapphic people and non binary people. I don't remember the last time men came up in such a discussion when it wasn't in a horribly negative context.

Speaking of negative context, it has become a wide spread thing in both queer spaces and progressive spaces that whenever something goes wrong where a man was somewhere involved, the response is "ugh, men". Which is plain sexist and bigoted, but that bigotry is considered cool and hip in the queer community.

And the few times any of us tried to speak up in these spaces before, we were waved away, our opinions dismissed because we are men.

i'm making this post because i'm so tired, so tired of not seeing representation for me. not feeling welcome in communities where i'm supposed to, not feeling like the spaces are safe, because for men they aren't

#queer #queer discourse #queer discussions #lgbt discourse #lgbt #discussion #discourse #rant #men

[maglorslostsilmaril]

I'm transmasc, and lesbians scare me. I know there are non-radical feminist lesbians, but so many of the lesbian spaces I know of have been taken over by TERF brainrot that 'lesbian' has practically become a dog-whistle (to me) for TERF. I see lesbian stuff and I feel afraid. Seeing pro-lesbian stuff has almost become like seeing aggressively patriotic or Christian stuff. It makes me worry that the person displaying lesbian pride is going to attack me for being trans. And I hate all that! I know nice lesbians, lesbians who accept trans people, lesbians who don't see me as my agab or a confused butch. I should not be afraid of other members of the queer community. But because of the TERF/rad-fem infection, I am. Sorry for coming into your inbox and ranting, your last post just sort of sparked something

no, that makes sense! i totally understand what you mean…sometimes i feel similar in the way that i don’t necessarily feel comfortable interacting with a lot of blogs centered around lesbianism anymore, simply because so many of them are radfems. it’s so aggravating to realize that your identity is being gatekept, I really hate it, and i hate that you’re scared of being attacked for being queer by other queer people…the point of a community is that we stand WITH each other, not against. i’m so disgusted that so many lesbian spaces have been taken over by radfems and terfs, especially because so many of us aren’t cis. it’s like they’re saying you can be one or the other, lesbian or not cis. sorry for replying to your rant with another one, i don’t check my inbox often, I just hate that even within the queer community we can’t feel completely accepted.

EDIT

(11/28/22)

 So uh

This post has made quite a few people really fucking mad if the anons telling me to kms are anything to go by.

Therefore, I want to try and clear up a few things, because I fear the meaning behind the message was trying to share may have gotten lost in the unclear wording and poor grammar.

1. I myself am a lesbian, and genderqueer. Just know before you get mad at what I'm saying that this is coming from the point of view of a queer person.

2. I am not trying to attack fellow lesbians in any way. What I was trying to say was that transphobia is prominent in lesbian spaces, and that can make them feel unwelcoming for trans and nonbinary lesbians

3. I don't agree with the anon's comparing lesbian flags to white supremacy and christian propaganda, I think that's a bit extreme. What I do agree with is that TERFs taking over lesbian spaces excludes other lesbians

tl;dr The point of this post was not to attack lesbians for being themselves. I support that wholeheartedly. What I do not support is the exclusion and fear that follows trans and nb people in lesbian spaces. This was not supposed to be interpreted as an attack on sapphic, it was supposed to be an attack on transphobia. If me defending trans and nb people makes you upset or uncomfortable, I would suggest asking YOURSELF why you're so bothered by trans people being supported instead of attacking ME for standing with my fellow trans and nb lesbians.

#radfems dni #terfs dni #trans lives are human lives #trans rights are human rights #queer rights #queer discussions #lesbian