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nikkoliferous · 8 months
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after reading the one hundred and one millionth inane quote about how Loki is such a pRiViLeGeD pRiNcE while Sylvie is just a poor baby who had no real childhood and had to learn to fend for herself from a young age, I feel the need to point out that even the ONE thing we know about Sylvie's past, the thing that's supposed to be her mAjOr tRaUmA and set her apart from him somehow, was literally stolen from Loki.
this is how Tom described Loki's experience post-suicide attempt back in the day while doing press for Avengers:
“I think he went, like with everything else, to a sort of… it was just like, the worst place imaginable. I think he went to all of the darkest recesses of the universe. I’m sure he had a brush with—several brushes with death. I think he ran into the shadiest characters you can find in the Nine Realms. I think he had to rely on his wits to protect himself. It was really, really, really unpleasant, I think. I don’t have any frame of reference for that, except for imagining what it might be like to be kidnapped by a terrorist or something and have to survive a very, very frightening and precarious existence. But whatever it was, it was important when Loki came back for The Avengers, that whatever compassion he had left was absolutely shriveled to a minimum because of the experience that he had. Harrowing, I think, and scarring for life—in a way that Thor and Odin and Frigga find very, very difficult to understand.” [source]
and now the show pretends that Loki teamed up with Thanos completely of his own will, even though Marvel had JUST confirmed that the sceptre was influencing him throughout Avengers, and they hand that traumatic backstory that was Loki's off to their precious OC.
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zylice · 3 months
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Loki looks more like Loki in these ads than he does in the show. I know it was their intention to ‘strip him down’ but they did FAAAR too much. 😪
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n3bulazer · 10 months
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no he's not <3
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My Loki Series Review
I have finally watched the Loki Series...and I regret it tremendously. And since I am in pain I thought it would only be fair for me to subject those who also share my opinion to the pain I am feeling as well! 😁
SO👏
Here...We...Go!
(The Green is dialogue)
(For this to make more sense, it would probably be best to watch the show along side reading this post.)
Loki Series Episode 1 "Glorious Purpose"
I already hate the title.
So I saw someone make a post about how Loki did what he did in order to immediately establish dominance since he was no longer in Thor's shadow. I completely disagree. As Loki said in the first Thor movie, (a line everyone forgets for whatever reason) Loki never wanted the throne. I also think that in a situation like this Loki would lay there and assess the situation before immediately getting up to "Establish dominance". I find it interesting how everyone thinks Loki is opposed to help. He might be skeptical at first, but I'm sure that after a while, once he realizes it's genuine, he'd calm down and except it. Now, lets talk about this, "I am Loki, and I am burdened with a glorious purpose" line. Let's take a look at the origin of this line.
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Later followed by...
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Loki is ill and hurt in the clips above. He's not saying this because he wants to. He doesn't have a choice. So...not a catchphrase.
After that...everything Loki says and does is just completely OOC and makes no sense. But can we talk about the TVA summary scene? If the TVA is as fragile as they claim then I really hope they have good excuse for Avengers: Endgame, Spiderman: No Way Home, and Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness because...most of us know what went down during those movies.😳
The trial scene IMO was the most in character. Loki made a valid point. The Avengers did a lot of damage in Endgame and Loki being punished for escaping seems unfair to me. Also I'm going to need a lot more than, "What they did was suppose to happen. You escaping was not." for me to automatically believe that Loki should be arrested just like that. (Side note: Can we also talk about how this scene clearly highlights how detailed and perceptive Loki is as a character? He knew that the Avengers from Endgame had traveled back in time and were messing with the time-line not because he saw it, or someone told him but because, while being serious injured, he took in his surroundings and was able to identify Tony's cologne in two different places and make the connection! That's insane!)
Sighs deeply The elevator scene...You have no idea how many times I have skipped this scene when it popped up as an ad.🙄
Both Loki and Mobius are wrong in this scene. No. No Loki does not like to talk. This is not the face of a person who never shuts up.
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The amount that Loki talks in this scene also does not make any sense either. His behavior is completely OOC.
The following scene literally almost killed me.
M:"Well let's start with a little cooperation...Really? Even when you're wooing someone you intend to betray?" The only people Loki has betrayed are Laufey, Malekith, and Thanos. With both Laufey and Malekith, I wouldn't exactly call it cooperation. They went along with Loki's terms and conditions. Not the other way around. And with Thanos...extreme torture and death were on the line. And is it really cooperation when the person you're supposed to be "cooperating with" you beat for year and not only that, but you're mind controlling the person so they do what you want? Don't think so.
These Black Order lines are killing me! I honestly can't tell if Loki is trying to save face or if the directors just felt like this is something that Loki would say because they watched the Avengers movie, and these lines sound similar to the ones in that movie where Loki was the villain, while simultaneously throwing the fact that Loki was being mind controlled in that movie completely out the window.
M:"Why does someone with so much range just want to rule?" Can we all just take a second to process how dumb this line sounds?! Honestly, this is stupid. This is something that a parent would say to their child who has the potential to go to Harvard but is instead choosing to be a busboy. Can you imagine someone saying, "You have so much potential I don't see why you would want to be the CEO of a massive company". Do you hear how that sounds?!! Not only that, but Loki has already proven the fact (while having a mental breakdown might I add) that he could absolutely do it. The very beginning of Thor: Ragnarok proves that. Also, it's what he was taught to do his whole life? I know he still has almost 4000 years of his life left, but he spent 1000+ years just prepping to be in a position of authority so... it's not like it's going to be easy for him to just throw all that away.
M:"Big metaphor guy! Makes you sound super smart!" L: "I am smart." M:"Okay." Completely Unnecessary dialog. I honestly feel like Loki from 2011 wouldn't have even said anything. He just would have given Mobius the sassiest look. 🤣
So, now we're at the part where Mobius shows Loki footage of his life, and it goes on for a while too, but allow me to just say...this guilt tripping/gaslighting/"Do you enjoy hurting people?" scene literally blows my mind! The directors have just totally forgotten Thanos' existence at this point. I just don't see how there would be any other explanation. Why and how would showing Loki the moments where he lost, which took place not even an hour ago, literally do anything, like at all?! I mean, this guy spent Three Hundred and Sixty Five Days with these people...
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Loki at this point has seen the darkest side of the universe! What are a couple of tapes honestly supposed to do?! (If this doesn't explain Loki's behavior in Thor: Dark World IDK what does)
M:"It's funny, for someone born to rule, you sure do lose a lot. You might even say it's in your nature." Allow me to explain why this is inaccurate. A list of Loki's goals and accomplishments.
Loki wanted to delay Thor's coronation. This was successfully executed.
Loki wanted to stop the war Thor started between the Frost Giants and Asgard. This was successfully executed. Not only that, but he had literally ZERO HELP FROM ANYONE, people were also CONSPIRING AGAINST HIM, and he was having a MENTAL BREAKDOWN/IDENTITY CRISIS!
Loki wanted to get away from Thanos alive and hurt as few people as possible. This was successfully executed. You cannot argue with me on this. If Loki REALLY wanted to win like he's claiming in the show, he won't have designed, nor given Selvig the knowledge that the scepter could penetrate the portal and shut it down! Loki's too smart for that even if it's not displayed in the series.
Stopping Malekith and Kurse from plunging the Nine Realms into darkness. Successfully executed. I do not care what anyone says. It is not possible to negate the fact that without Loki, Thor would have died. Same thing goes for Ragnarok.
So...what were you talking about Mobius?
M:"Of eyeballs maybe. Look at that smile. You are enjoying that." If you go back to this scene, it's clear that the person it unharmed because the eye is still moving when it is being projected as a hologram. If the eye had been damaged it obviously would not have worked. Loki is causing a scene, and he's doing it for two reasons. The first and main one being so that he can get the Avengers attention in order to distract and ambush them later. The second reason is that Loki does crave attention. But can you blame him? I just listed all of his accomplishments above and he didn't get recognition for a single one of them! We don't even know what else he did in his previous 1000+ years! Just going off the franchise, I'm sure things probably looked similar to what we've seen so far though. People on Asgard are always so ready to lift Thor up and shove Loki as deep as possible into any dirty gutter they find and are more than happy to leave him there until he claws his way out so that he can yet again try to prove his worth. They don't help him out of the gutter even when they need him, and you can completely forget saying thank you! As a matter of fact, they manage to find excuse to blame him instead! They do it here in this scene in Thor 1!
M:"You're really good at doing awful things, and then just getting away." Um...didn't...didn't you just show him getting caught by the Avengers? And he gets caught in Thor 1...and at the beginning of Thor: Dark World...and at the beginning of Ragnarok, and he didn't even do anything bad! These people put no thought into this script.🤦‍♀️
I have nothing to say about the "lost bet to Thor" scene other than it being the dumbest thing Marvel has ever wasted their money on. It's almost worse than the Ragnarok snake story and that made even less sense. Loki from 2011 does not look like a person who would be stupid enough to make a bet with Thor. It's more likely that he was forced into it if anything.
L:"I was just standing up to make a point." M:"I'm sorry, go ahead." L:"It won't be as meaningful now!" More unnecessary dialog, and Loki's literally whining in this scene. 🙄
M:"All I seek is a deeper understanding of the fearsome God of Mischief." We'll...we'll come back to this later.
L:"How, you all parade about as if you're the divine arbiters of power in the universe." M:"We are." I'll get to what's wrong with this line later.
Why is he being so cartoonishly expressive? Put your arms down!
L:"I'll kill you!" M:"What like you did your mother?" LOKI 👏DID 👏NOT 👏KILL 👏HIS 👏MOTHER! WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP SAYING HE DID?! All he did was show Kurse how to get out of the cells! Frigga was miles away in the castle you can watch the scene! Kurse only killed her because Malekith knew that she knew where Jane/the Aether was and Frigga didn't give it too him or tell him! Stop blaming Loki for things he was miles away from and had literally NOTHING to do with!!
M:"You weren't born to be king, Loki. You were born to cause pain, and suffering, and death. That's how it is, that's how it was, that's how it will be." This sounds VERY familiar! I already talked about this scene here. But to give you a short summary, Odin basically said the literal exact same thing to Loki at the beginning of Thor: Dark World when Loki was being sentenced. All the fans wanna slam Odin but make fan art of Mobius even if they equally toxic to Loki.🙄
I really do not understand how Loki could take his hand after he just spit all of that in his face. I really don't.
Okay...let's talk about this Infinity Stones joke/situation. This is not funny. At all. Everyone here is a fan of at least one Avenger or Guardian of the Galaxy or someone in the MCU including/beside Loki. Every single person in the MCU fought tooth and nail for those Infinity Stones. EVEN THANOS! We had to sit and watch every single hero we love either die or have them be emotionally destroyed for 5 years because they lost a loved one. There are characters that we'll NEVER see again because of the fight for these 6 stones! I have ZERO idea what the directors were thinking when they put that scene in the show but it was NOT funny in the slightest. It honestly really hurt my feelings. The thought of them going through all of that for almost nothing! Even Loki looks heart broken to discover this information. And what made it worse was the fact that in the last episode (which we'll get to later) and the MoM they basically make it clear that they put that scene in for literally no reason. It was only to cast a temporary illusion in order to get both Loki and the viewers to believe that there were some beings and some place that were more powerful than the Infinity Stones. Even though if you go back and watch the scene in Infinity War where Wong explains the Stones, it completely negates that being possible since the Stones existed before the TVA! ("At the dawn of the Universe, there was nothing. Then, boom. Big Bang sent six elemental crystals hurtling across the virgin Universe. These infinity Stones each controlled and essential aspect of existence...") In famous the words of Tony Stark, "I'm sorry, what were you lying?"
OG Loki would have never given up that easily after getting out. Loki is someone who does not let his emotions drive him. He let's them guide him and be the spearhead of his plans not cause him to quit and give up! If that was the case, Asgard would have fallen back in Thor 1!
Loki watching these scenes...*Sighs deeply* Just...just refer to what I said above. Not only that but I stated my biggest problem with this scene here already. In short, this is not the full picture. You could almost argue that these clips were hand picked so that Loki looked bad to the audience, and Loki would feel bad.
What I am also trying to figure out is why Loki seems surprised that Thanos lied. My headcanon is that in Avengers 1 Loki honestly lost on purpose. He had every chance to kill the Avengers and just never took it. Also, why are they trying so hard to make it look like Loki joined Thanos' side willingly? In the gifs above and throughout the whole movie (and the Thor 1 end credit scene) Loki looks like he is in severe pain. At the start of the movie he's clearly hanging by a thread. So like I said, not sure why they're pushing this whole "alliance with Thanos" thing.
Again with this "Glorious Purpose" line! Please stop!🤦‍♀️
L:"I can't go back, can I? Back to my timeline." This is something I have questions about that they just totally fail at clearing up. What exactly does "resetting the timeline" consist of? They tell you what happens if they don't do it but they never entirely explain what happens when they do. Clearly Loki does not get replaced since at the beginning of the episode we hear Thor calling for Loki. Which means that everyone notices that Loki is gone. So...if Loki, who is vital for that timeline's survival based on other movies, is gone wouldn't that mean the timeline totally just falls apart? Asgard doesn't even survive the next movie without Loki. They can call Loki a mistake all they want but that means Thor dies in The Dark World and the Nine Realms are plunged into darkness. Asgard in the very first Thor movie wouldn't have even made it! Thor would've become king without someone to postpone the coronation, and we all know that the Thor in that movie would have made a terrible king! This is what I call "Marvel having hours to include important details but choosing not too". And in this case thy chose to fill it with completely unnecessary dialogue. 🙄
My assumption is that they mean erasing the memory of anyone who saw them I guess? I don't know. Leave a comment if you understand. 🤷‍♀️
"L: I don't enjoy hurting people...I do it because I have to, because I've had to." "M: Okay, explain that to me." "L: Because it's part of the illusion. It's the cruel, elaborate trick conjured by the weak to inspire fear." " M: A desperate play for control." Let me start by saying, I know OG Loki would have dropped dead before admitting this to a stranger he's barely know for a few hours. Most importantly though Marvel almost had it! They messed up at the illusion part. It's not an illusion. Loki does it in order to survive. He's spent 1000+ years in a world of kill or be killed. If Loki didn't hurt/kill Laufey or Malekith Asgard wouldn't exist. If he didn't hurt the Avengers that axe place over his head by The Other would have come down in the most antagonizing slow and painful way possible. Loki doesn't have a choice. It's not control he's after, its freedom.
M:"You do know yourself." Y'all I think I found Frigga's brother.🤣🙄
L:"A villain." M:" That's not how I see it." Okay, sure Mobius. Watch this change in like 2 minutes.
"Even and Infinity Stine is useless here." Refer to above please.
M:"Listen, I can't offer you salvation, but maybe I can offer you something better." Yeah, because why would anyone want to be freed from all their sins (That can easily be argued against and are too questionable to even be label as "sins" IMO) when they can be put in an ugly uniform and work for a group of people who give less of a crap about you than your family, and literally just kidnapped, gaslit, and abused you because they are too dumb to catch another version you. Sounds like a dream. 🙃
Loki Series Episode 2 "The Variant"
When I first saw this episode I thought they had gotten the date wrong!🤣
In the first episode the music was okay. But after this episode...it makes me want to tear out my eardrums.🤦‍♀️🤮
I hate Miss Minutes voice with a burning passion. Just though you should know.
B-15, honey... DO NOT CALL MY BABY A COSMIC MISTAKE!!😡😡
Loki explaining his powers is the best part of this episode. The only problem is how it's presented. They make him look like a know-it-all. Everyone in the scene looks annoyed and like they want him to shut up. And so if that's how everyone in the scene looks and feels guess who also is going to feel that way. The Audience.
L:"Well, I'll have my magic back. Is no one concerned about that?" B-15: "Of what?" L:"Me betraying you?" *Sighs deeply* Yes, this line is absolutely in character because Loki would of course let them know his plans to ditch them before even getting out of the TVA. 🙄🙃
L:"Reset charges prune the affected radius of a branched timeline, allowing time to heal all its wounds. Which by the way sounds like a nice way of saying disintegrate everything in its vicinity." This AGAIN does not explain what happens after you take a person from a timeline! Or even what happens to the people in the timeline!
Loki getting cut off for the 95246783th time.
Loki's explanation as to what the "Variant" is planning could have worked if he for starters didn't insult them, and second DIDN'T TELL THEM BEFORE HE GOT THERE THAT HE WAS PLANNING ON RUNNING WAY!!
R:"This Variant is...Insubordinate, stubborn, unpredictable." Let me start by saying that none of these traits are being shown at all in the series. People also only use these words when they don't know Loki as a character/person, so none of this is surprising. Also IMO these words more so describe Thor if you ask me. I personally would not call someone who stops a war for the better sake of their continent, insubordinate. I would not call someone who is willing to follow a literal idiot into war, stubborn. And I would not call someone who has literally just told you their plan two times now, unpredictable. But...okay.
R:"But Loki is an evil, lying scourge." Ravonna, I let you slide during the "trial"...BUT I WILL SMACK THAT SORRY EXCUSE OF A PONYTAIL OUT OF YOUR HEAD IF YOU CALL MY BABY THAT AGAIN!
M:"Is that possible? He can change?" Mobius, you don't even believe that line, and I'm going to prove it in the next few minutes.
M:"Luckily, he believes in himself enough for the both of us. And, hey, if it doesn't work, I'll delete him myself. He's really arrogant." Just...why? Literally all of this is wrong. They clearly don't know that the guy they're talking about has such low self-esteem that he literally tried to kill himself a YEAR AGO!
*sighs deeply* Why is he moving so much? WHY!
M:"What happened to the guy I met on the elevator? Who didn't like to talk. Remember him? Now I'm stuck with this guy who won't stop yacking away about what makes a Loki tick!" L:"What? Isn't that precisely why I'm here?" M:"No. I don't care what makes you tick. You're here to help me catch the superior version of yourself. That's it!" I am literally so mad right now. I told you I would prove the fact that Mobius doesn't think Loki can change. He doesn't even care! Someone tell me this is not the guy who in the last episode said these words, "All I seek is a deeper understanding of the fearsome God of Mischief." AND THEN HE GOES AND SPITS WHAT'S ABOVE IN HIS FACE! ARE YOU KIDDING!? It gets worse though. This line "You're here to help me catch the superior version of yourself. That's it!" let's you know that they didn't even have a REAL REASON to even bring Loki to the TVA! They're just as bad as the Asgardians, if not worse! Loki is only there for them to use and abuse that's it! They can't do THEIR jobs properly so of course they have to go and get Loki because he, while not knowing the TVA even exist, is the only person who can help them. Classic! This is literally just a repeat of Thor: Dark World. Gaslight Loki while he's at his worse so that, even though he AGAIN has nothing to do with the situation WHAT SO EVER, he can help us. I AM SO DONE! WHY CAN'T THEY JUST LEAVE MY BABY ALONE!
M:"I believed, stupidly, that insecure need for validation would motivate you to find the killer. Not 'cause you care about the TVA mission or bein' a hero, but because you know this Variant is better than you and can't take it." I am beyond ready to burn the TVA to the ground myself at this point. I don't see how Loki's insecure need for validation would be fulfilled by and occupation that you just told him he basically has nothing to do with what so ever. The only thing that can fill it is Odin, we know along with Loki at this point that that's not happening. Also Loki as already proven to be the hero multiple times. Finally, given the fact that we all already know who the Variant is, she is NO WHERE close to Loki's level of superiority! At all!
L:"I mean it is adorable that you think you could possibly manipulate me." Unbeknownst me, somehow he already has. 🤦‍♀️
L:"I'm ten steps ahead of you. I've been playing a game of my own all along." M:"What, charm your way in front of the Time-Keepers, hustle them, and seize control of the TVA? Am I getting warm? A double cross by history's most reliable liar." I am face palming so hard it's not even funny. The start of the line is the worst part. If we look back at how Loki has always handled his enemy, nothing even remotely close to this comes out of his mouth, ever. Ever! And how his face drops, OMG help me please. OG Loki could be in excruciating pain, and you wouldn't even know it!
M:"A, because I see a scared little boy, shivering in the cold. And you kinda feel bad for that ice runt. Or B, I just wanna catch this guy, and I'll tell you whatever I need to tell you." L: "I don't need your sympathy." "Good, 'cause I'm running out of it." This line causes me to be confused as to why people think Mobius is a "good friend to Loki". Really why they think Mobius is good just in general. If the people who say that have friends I truly feel sorry for them. Everything I just quoted let's you know that Mobius does not care about Loki AT ALL. And Mobius never had any sympathy. It was all a lie.
The amount of expression is killing me...I'm dying.
Here's a few things. First, if Loki starts crying over this nightmare continent of people who never cared about him, abused him, AND tried to kill him, I'm gonna lose it. Second, the file says, "Total planetary destruction". Why is this a problem? You can go back and look at every Thor movie in the MCU and Asgard is clearly not a planet. I just said above that it's a continent. They got this wrong in Thor: Ragnarok too. And lastly...Asgard's population is only 9,719 people? That's it? Japan's population in 2012 was 127.6 million people and its not even a continent! Human beings don't live nearly as long as gods. You would think that this would be a main point towards why Asgard should be more populated. Maybe there are laws in place to prevent baby booms? Although given how much they go to war a baby boom might honestly be helpful. 🤷‍♀️
I don't...why is he moving his hands so much. Loki is not a hand talker. I have really nothing to say about the "Salad scene" other than I hated it of course. And that there is a mistake in the script. Loki says, "I could, let's say, push the Hulk off of the Rainbow Bridge." If you go back and watch the scene (don't worry, I completed the painful duty of doing it for you, you're welcome) where Loki looks at his future, we never actually see Hulk in the shot where he, Thor, and Valkyrie are preparing to fight Hela on the Rainbow Bridge. So...how exactly does Loki know that the Hulk was even there? 😳
L:"I'd never stab anyone in the back. That's such a boring form of betrayal." M: "Loki, I've studied almost every moment of your entire life. You've literally stabbed people in the back, like, 50 times." L: "Well, I'd never do it again, because it got old." M:"Okay." I have already gone over this. Check out these links (How Loki Was Poorly Parented {@nikkoliferousand and @youlackconviction did and excellent job with this post} No Loki Has Not Stabbed People in the Back Like 50 Times) because I'm too lazy to retype it, lol. But basically none of this is true and all of this is wrong. Also, if Mobius really studied Loki's life like he claims, he just made himself look like and terrible person for multiple reasons listed in the links above.😁 But just to list a few, I guess Mobius must of missed the fact that everyone around Loki treats him like garbage for literally no reason, and that he attempted suicide, and that he was tortured by Thanos. He really does mean "almost" huh?
L:"Okay, look, you don't trust me, you can trust one thing. I love to be right." Oh boy. Please refer to the image of 2011 Loki above. Loki is not the kind of person who pride themself on being right. Or really on anything for that matter. In conclusion, the directors don't know Loki's character. But we already knew that!
I really don't understand why Loki is getting so excited by this. Especially given the fact that Loki doesn't seen to enjoy violence that much if at all. I also don't understand why he is being so loud. This is suppose to be the guy who would appear from behind a pilar and then as silent as possible, walk into a room.
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I hate this Pompeii scene so much.
I wish someone could convince me of the fact that Loki, who has had to be on guard his whole life because he never knew when he would be attacked or by who, even his so called "friends", would fall asleep in a foreign territory and in front of someone who just verbally abused him. I really wish someone could. 🙃
OMG it's the scene that gave birth to countless fanart...MOBIUS AND HIS JET SKI!!🥰🥰😍😍
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"Odin, God of the Heavens." They👏 keep👏 getting👏 this 👏wrong👏. Asgard👏 is👏 not👏 heaven👏. Valhalla👏 is👏. They literally say it in the first movie! I have to say, I love how they just completely throw both evolution and religion out the window. 🙃🙄 (No offence to anyone who doesn't believe in either. I'm just making a point.) Them and this "glorious purpose" line! 😡😡
M:"Why is it that the people you can't trust are always saying, 'Trust me'?" You know, Loki's lines in this shot were actually good...and then Mobius ruined it.
L:"Me, I presume." S:"Please. If anyone's anyone, you're me." Their smiles in this scene are almost cringer than the dialogue . 🙄
L:"Enchantment is a clever trick. Cowardly, a bit amateur-ish, but clever." Spoilers: If you've already seen the show you know what's wrong with this. Later it's mentioned that Loki doesn't know how to enchant people but if that's true then how does he know what Sylvie is doing? If he's never done it before how does he know what it looks like? Proof that Loki didn't even need the scepter to mind control people in Avengers! As much as this show tries to prove other wise Loki is in fact very powerful and skilled.
L:"God. Now I understand why Thor found this so annoying." Two thing wrong with this scene. First, Loki's lack of patience. The second thing is the scene I believe they are refencing.
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This is again, another memory that was not shown when Loki was looking at the future events of his life. We the audience know that this happened, but Loki does not. Unless they are trying to say that Loki has done this before to Thor. But IMO, please refer to the two pictures of Loki from 2011 above and tell me that that is someone who would choose to annoy Thor. Knowing how short his temper is.
How Tom says "schedule" in this scene! I'm dying! 🤣
S:"You really do love to hear yourself talk." L:"You're the first person to tell me that." No, no she's not. Is the air in the TVA giving Loki brain damage or did Waldron forget this whole scene, M:"I'm taking you somewhere to talk...Because we both know you love to talk. Talkie-talkie." do I need to say anything else.
I...am having a very hard time believing how easily Loki is being manhandled in this scene. I really am. For one, Loki is 525 pounds. He's HEAVY! And for two...
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(I did not make this so all credit goes to the author...who ever they are)
So, how the creators of this show expect me to believe that Loki is able to be tossed around like a ragdoll by someone who looks like they eat McDonalds everyday and has never been to a gym in their life, I have no idea. AND we're talking about an average human (Some might even say below average😒). Not a super soldier. Logically, this shouldn't even be possible.
L:"I would never treat me like this." Honey, not even a year ago you tried to kill yourself, let's not go there.
Back to the manhandling Loki paragraph above...it guess worse. Can we talk about Loki wrestling with this basically below average human. Apparently the directors didn't know that this, "Superhuman Strength: Loki, without the aid of anything, through his own biology, possesses superhuman strength that is substantially superior to that of an average Asgardian female or male. He possesses sufficient physical strength to lift up to 50 tons." (Fandom is my source) HE CAN LIFT 100,000 POUNDS! WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS SCENE??!!!
Now the argument could be made that the enchantment that Sylvie placed on them could enhance their strength. My only problem with that would be that there is zero indication of that happening. And enhanced strength is not an added effect of mind control. Clearly, the directors just wanted to make Loki look bad. Jokes on them since all of Loki's background information is all over the internet.
His hair is killing me in this scene.
S:"This isn't about you." First, EW IT'S SYLVIE! Second, um the title of the show is literally called "Loki" so...it kind of is.
Loki Series Episode 3 "Lamentis"
Right off the bat, of course Sylvie's fighting skills look amazing compared to Loki's! What a shocker! 🙃🙄
S:"Have you really got nothing else better to do?" This is some of the dumbest dialogue I have ever heard in my life. NO SYLVIE HE DOESN'T! HE WAS JUST KIDDNAPPED AND FORCE TO WORK FOR A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE ANYTHING ABOUT HIM WITH NO WAY TO GET BACK TO HIS TIMELINE! WHAT KIND OF QUESTION IS THIS?! A dumb one clearly. Is this chic that self-involved?!
S:"You're in my way." L:"You are my way." *Aggressively Sighs deeply* Please refer to what was just stated above. 🤦‍♀️
Two things, I wish he would stop with this hair flip thing. It's not sexy and at this point it's honestly super annoying. Again, refer to what was stated above in episode 2 regarding Loki's fighting skills in this show.
L:"By the way, I thought you wanted me dead." S:"I don't know where you hid that TemPad, but if you blow up, it blows up, and then I end up blown up." ??? Did he seriously just ask that?! Obliviously! What? Did he just suddenly think that because they were in danger she cared. She literally was just trying to kill him!
L:"So we're a team now?" S:"Oh, God, no!" Two things wrong with this. Why is Loki so insistent on teaming up with her? Loki doesn't form "teams" with people. Especially not ones he's just met! He keeps to himself because he knows that the only person he can truly rely on is himself. (If someone tries to logic me that Sylvie is himself in the comments I will block them.) And what part of what she said sounded like she wanted to team up with him?! Also, the literally are gods so where is this "Oh, God, no!" line coming from? I've read fanfics with better and more well thought out dialogue! 🤦‍♀️
S:"Didn't need your help!" L:"You're so weird!" Please refer to the paragraph above. Also, no dialogue is needed here. They should be focused on running not filling every scene with commentary. It's not even necessary in this scene!
They had to have a scene in this show where Loki is completely naked so we know how in shape he is. I also put in how physically advanced Loki is in the previous paragraphs so...why are they, or more specifically he, breathing so hard? We don't even see this in other movies where he fights for who knows how long. He's severely hurt in Avengers, and we don't even see him this out of breath!!
Sylvie's attempt at enchanting Loki looks so awkward. Like, why do some many people view this as romantic? Honestly, this scene is weird.
L:"Listen, neither of us is getting off this rock if we can't get that TemPad on." S:"Where do you have it hidden?" L:"In my heart." S:"Well, then, I'll cut it out." In my heart...is he...being serious right now? This dialogue is going to be the death of me.
S:"You're full of it because you need me to get that recharged. That's the only reason you saved me out there." L:"Mabye. Yeah. I mean, sure. That too." Either Sylvie is not paying attention or she thinks he's been lying about teaming up and forming a truce for the last 10 minutes now. This line is so OOC for Loki's character it honestly hurts so much.
L:"So, what's the plan?" S:"There's a town near here. And can you shut up? Just because I have to work with you doesn't mean I wanna hear your voice." First of all, that was actually a good question if you disregard the fact that Loki asking it was completely OOC given the fact that his quick planning abilities is one of the main skills that define Loki as a character. And compared to every other scene so far in this show, he's really not talking that much in this scene. IDK why the writers and directors are trying to make it look like Loki is a character who never shuts up. You can look at every other movie he's been in and determine that isn't true.
L:"All right, well...Slow down, Variant." Please reference Loki's physical capabilities, capacities and traits above and allow me to add the fact that Loki is supposedly 6 foot 4 so...keeping up with her shouldn't be this hard.
S:"Yeah? What exactly makes a Loki a Loki?" L:"Independance, authority, style." Oh yeah, well as much as this may apply to OG Loki, you and your potato sack of an outfit are not representing any of those things right now, so you might wanna rethink your answer Larry!
S: "So, naturally you went to work for the boring, oppressive time police." L:"I don't work for them. I'm a consultant." Loki never joined the TVA willingly that's worth pointing out. But yes, for the first couple of episodes, mostly episode 2, he was working for them. And, how is he supposed to be a consultant when no one is even interested in hearing anything he has to say? How many times has this guy been told to shut up in the past 2 going on 3 episodes? I've honestly lost count.
L:"It's looks like everyone already fled." No! Really? How did you figure that out? Maybe it has something to do with the abandon looking buildings you're literally surrounded by and the fact that there's no one in sight. What is this now, Dora the Explorer?🙄
L:"How long do we have?" S:"Twelve hours or so. Things down here are only going to get worse." I love how Sylvie just knows this off the top of her head. And no duh hun! You literally said that a moon was about to crash into the planet and that every location on the TemPad is an apocalypse! Did they expect for thing to just randomly get better for literally no reason?!
Did he just point to a neon sign and ask if it was a potential power source? I'm so done.
Loki's first line when they come to the house, if you'll so call it, in the middle of nowhere was actually in character. But it was ruined when he decided to pose as the husband of the owner of the house. This was dumb for two reasons. The first being that if you look at the photo, they don't look highly affectionate towards each other. Heck, they don't even look happy, affectionate is a real step. The second reason, is that Loki doesn't know this man so behaving like him is not an option. This isn't like that Thor: Dark World scene where Loki changes his appearance repeatedly. Note that he knows the behaviors and personalities of all of those people so posing as them would be easy. This is not the case in this scene.
The thing I find most interesting about this Lamentis place is how everyone here is human even though this clearly is not Earth. I guess they were too lazy to consider the fact that not every planet has humans on it, and they only went as far as to change the fashion slightly.
Why are all of Loki's plans so bad. He disguises himself as a guard while having no idea how the process works, and, for whatever reason, he's changed is voice to sound robotic even if the other guards are clearly talking normal and it's completely unnecessary.
I hate this supposed-to-be heart-to-heart scene. They just go though such in depth and emotionally deep topics like it's surface level stuff and it really bothers me. They're talking about stuff that was the literal main plot of two movies and what pretty much shaped phase 2 of the MCU like it's nothing! They also look so constipated it's not even funny.
L:"She was the kind of person you'd want to believe in you." S:"Sounds like she does." Actually, I'm pretty sure Frigga gave up on Loki when he found out he was adopted. @nikkoliferous and @youlackconviction do a great job of explaining why here.
L:"So, where'd you learn to do the...You know, the...Whatever this is?" S:"I taught myself." L: "You taught yourself that magic?" S:"Yeah, I did." Enchantment. He's talking about enchanting people. How did he forget what it's called? He literally called her out on it when she was trying to do it to him earlier in the episode. I also find it hard to believe that Loki just had everything taught to him. OG Loki is a huge book worm and has an insatiable lust for knowledge. His magical talents are also no secret. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out that the majority of he can do came from self-teaching.
Not a soul on this planet can convince me that Loki would become intoxicated in a life or death situation. (Also, how did Loki even become intoxicated? They're drinking champagne, and he's a god. It should have almost no effect on his system.) And again with this place being so similar to Earth, it's weird. Guardians of the Galaxy and Thor: Ragnarok proves that every planet has its differences. What's going on with this place?
Maybe love is hate? It's like Waldron was trying to be poetic and failed miserably. The definition of love is an intense feeling of deep affection. The definition of hate is intense or passionate dislike. The two are antonyms of each other so this makes absolutely no sense.
S:"Must of been would-be-princesses or perhaps, another prince." L:"A bit of both." I've already addressed my opinion regarding Loki's sexuality on my blog here (and other places if you look). In short, I don't think Loki is bisexual for a multitude of reasons, the main one being the fact that Asgard is basically stuck in Medieval times. And I know someone is going to make the argument that Valkyrie is gay, but I refuse to except any Thor related Marvel content after Thor: Dark World as canon. And if they really wanted Valkyrie to be and LGBTQ+ character, they would have scripted her better like they did with Phastos in Eternals.
How hard Loki is struggling to come up with his personal meaning of is baffling to me. He's known for his sharp tongue and quick wit this shouldn't be taking so long!
I have a relatively similar opinion about seeing Loki naked as I do him singing on the train. It's something I want to see and hear, really I do. They just didn't go about it the right way at all. He shouldn't have his close force off of him, and he shouldn't be singing in a situation where letting his guard down could possibly get him killed. Tom is an amazing singer but...wrong place, wrong time.
Sylvie's face! 🤣
The Loki version of the "Another!" scene from Thor 1 I don't think needs to be discussed. It's OOC. That's it.
The "Love is Like A Dagger" metaphor actually makes sense to me given the understanding I have of his character. Love is something that in Loki's life has been used against him and nearly gotten him killed multiple now. I lost track of how much he's done for his abusers and gotten nothing but pain and scorn in return. No matter how much Loki wants to believe that his family loves him, after everything they've done to him, it's no surprise that he can't even try to except the words that are being spoken to him as genuine. (Example)
And because the objective of the show is to make Loki look stupid, of course to Sylvie this makes no sense, and she completely ruins it. Also the amount of metaphors Loki uses in this show is truly hysterical. You can not expect me to believe that anyone on Asgard, with their minuscule brains, would have the patience to listen to Loki drag on and on with countless metaphors. They lose their patience with him the second he steps into a room! Don't get me started on how they react when he talks! They're beyond done with him at that point!
You know...this train fight scene would have not been that bad if A. I wasn't expected to believe that Loki could throw a dagger that badly and B. I wasn't expected to believe that a couple of ordinary humans could pick up someone who was a quarter of a ton and let themselves be thrown out of a train.
I'm struggling to understand where Sylvie shippers stand because the only thing Sylvie cares about is herself, and her end goal. Loki just got chucked out of a train and the only reason she goes after him is for the TemPad. How romantic.🙄
Again with the hair flip!😡
I struggle to believe that Loki would be as careless as to destroy their only chance of surviving an apocalypse. Really, I do, and by this point in this post you should already know why.
Yes, sit directly next to someone who now has absolutely no reason to keep you alive. This is also the part of the show where Loki's presences serves no purpose what so ever and if Sylvie killed him it wouldn't matter at all.
L:"You know, I don't think I've ever walked this much in my life." Given how many adventures he's gone on with Thor, how much fighting Loki has done over the course of a millennium, and how large Asgard's palace is alone this statement I find incredibly hard to believe.
I'm so done this character, because he's not my Loki, it's not even funny. Am I really expected to believe that Loki doesn't know how enchantment works? He has the ability to preform astral projection and telepathy. HOW WOULD HE NOT KNOW HOW ENCHANTMENT WORKS IT'S BASICALLY JUST A COMBINATION OF THE TWO?!
S:"Do we trust each other?" L:"We do and you can." Another deep and genuinely emotional conversation summed up in a couple of lines. *Sighs deeply* As a bookworm this is literal torture.
I love how they know they only have 5 minutes yet proceed to stand there. 🙃🙄🤦‍♀️
Two things, the music that plays after the arc is blown up is so out-of-context it's dumb and how Sylvie just walks away and leave Loki there is just selfish. They ran through all of that and she's not even fazed by the fact that he could still be attacked or hit by something. Nope, she just walks away.
Loki Series Episode 4 "The Nexus Event"
My biggest problem with this show, and many other people who share my opinion think this as well, is how much it focuses on Sylvie and not Loki. This show is poorly written in general as you all have already seen above. But just go back and look at any Marvel movies from phase 1 or Spiderman: Homecoming. Any OG character movie really (except Thor 1 we all know that movie was really about Loki) and see if there are any side characters that have a full back story scene. I'll save you the trouble. THEY DON'T! THERE ARE NO SCENES! Why? BECAUSE IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SIDE CHARACTER! The show is literally called Loki, and we take up the first few minutes of the episode with a back story about Sylvie and her childhood when it should be Loki's childhood we're seeing! And yes, I am focusing on the fact that the writing is poor given that it is not about the title character vs the TVA kidnapping Sylvie as a poor innocent child, sue me.🙄
Yay! Another scene of pure emotional constipation!
S:"...the TVA showed up, erased my reality, and took me prisoner." What I think is dumb is how we are on episode 4 out 6 and NOW we learn what happens when the TVA show up and "resets" a timeline. "Rest" isn't even the right word, they completely erase the timeline from all existence. So if the person even wanted to go back to their timeline they couldn't. I really don't understand why it took them so long to explain that. 🙄 What I also have an issue with is how in this scene, again, we waste time learning about Sylvie's backstory, even though she's a side character, instead of Loki and the show is supposed to be about him not her.
B-15: "Leaping across time, planning their next massacre." I love how B-15 says this line like it's just a hobby that everyone named Loki enjoys participating in. Not because it's necessary to protect the people they care about but because it's fun. That's the only reason.
S:"Do you think that what makes a Loki a Loki is the fact that we're destined to lose?" I've already talked about how when Loki plans literally anything in the MCU he's always executed it successfully. Even if from a different perspective he looks like he's lost but in all actuality he's won.
L:"You were just a child when the TVA took you, but you nearly took down the organization that claims to govern the order of time. You did it on your own. You had rings around them. You're amazing!" Interesting how we're suppose to praise Sylvie after this line. but my biggest problem is how he says "nearly" which means she didn't do it, and her 1000+ years of effort put towards trying to do it has ultimately amounted to nothing. Compared to Loki on the other hand who, by this point, successfully stopped war and prevented the king of Asgard from being murdered while defenseless, and while having everyone conspire against him, and be going through a mental breakdown/identity crisis and outsmarted the most power crazy being in the galaxy, while giving the people who are going to fight said power crazy being, a 101 course on the power of the Infinity Stones and their existence. This is not including the fact that in the future Loki saves Asgard not once, but two more times! I frankly am not impressed with Sylvie in the slightest.
I don't know why they're holding hands. I don't care that its the end of the world it's still weird. They barely even know each other.
@youlackconviction did a comparison post regarding Loki being taken prisoner in this scene vs other ones and it never occurred to me that him struggling is OOC until she pointed it out so here's this. The difference is painful.
Hate this dialogue soooooooooo much.
L:"By the way, I should have an equal amount of security. This is insulting!" Interesting how that is his biggest concern in this scene, but he does have a point. If you clicked on the link where Loki is shown being taken captive in both Avengers and Thor: Dark World, the amount of security he has is impressive. But it's necessary. Loki is dangerous and no one is skipping over that fact. In Thor: Dark World, he's being escorted by Asgardian guards and he's in chains. The fact that the guards are escorting is already enough since they are closer in matching in him strength. But they have him in chains, on basically every part of his body, as well. Loki is not someone to be messed with. I'm only gonna say this one more time I promise, but they cannot convince me that Loki could be dragged literally anywhere but a couple of humans. That's it. I'm done. Last time.
Now, if someone would have said what Mobius had just said to Loki, my morals and values would have flown out the window. I would have just let his butt choke and die on the lies he's being feed. End of story. I have and issue when people don't show any appreciation towards me and the things I do for them, let alone spit garbage like that in my face! No thank you!🤣
All I have to say about Loki being thrown in a time loop is that...I've hated Sif since the first movie. This only makes my hate for her character increase in ten fold.
I'm done with the hair flipping. This is my last comment about it.
L:"I remember exactly what I did after that. I went and had a nice, hot bath and a glass of wine, and I never thought about it again, because it was just a bit of fun." I would like to join Loki in that bath, just saying. Loki not Larry to be clear. First of all, getting kneed in the groin hurts severely if you are a man. It can hurt too as a female in the right spot but as a guy...I'm impressed with how quickly he got up. Second, I've read fanfics about Loki being a trickster and enjoying playing pranks on people but Thor 1, Thor: Dark World, and this scene just prove how little patience anyone (royal staff included) had on Asgard when it came to Loki. It was basically none. They have zero tolerance when it comes to him so I'm sure pranks were completely off the table. OG Loki also kept more to himself and I highly doubt that he would even be interested in playing pranks on people anyway. Lastly, my headcanon is that it was actually Thor and the Warriors 3 who played the prank on Sif and just blamed it on Loki. I'm not saying this because I don't like Thor, I'm saying it because the past movies can support my theory. Thor screws up, and Loki takes the fall for it. We've seen it multiple times now.
It's killing me how he's not even attempting to fight back, and he's just letting it happen. Also, given the amount of times Sif keeps kneeing him, I hope he wasn't planning on having kids because that's not going to be an option by the time she's done. 😬
Here's a little treat regarding this scene...
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I'm not even going to go into detail about this conversation between Ravonna and Mobius. All I have to say is that they need to stop belittling Loki and acting like he's nothing but a pushover. Countless movies have already proved that he's not, so this needs to stop.
B-15:"Aren't you suppose to be interrogating your Variant pet?" DO NOT CALL MY BEAUTIFUL BABY A PET YOU GULLIBLE PIECE OF TRASH!!
L:" I'm a horrible person. I get it. I really am. I cut off your hair because I thought it'd be funny. And it's not. I crave attention...because I'm...I'm a narcissist. And I suppose it's...It's because I'm scared of being alone." Sif:" You are alone and you always will be." *Sighs deeply* I don't...I don't understand what exactly these directors are trying to do. My theory is that, besides this being poorly written, they're trying to play mind games with the audience. They know that there are enough viewers who are not like the people I follow, or the ones taking out the time to read this ridiculously long post. This show isn't for the people who are willing to spend years breaking apart every single detail of Loki's character. It's not for the people who are doing what the TVA claim to be doing. Analyzing and reanalyzing and re-reanalyzing every piece of dialoged, every facial expression, every action, every decision Loki makes. Tirelessly. Enjoyably. This show is for the people who know Loki is a fictional character in the MCU and he's Thor's brother, and he's the bad guy/anti-hero. That's it. That's as far as it goes. Nothing more nothing less. What they do in this scene is they give you both negative and positive pieces. The negative pieces, "I'm a horrible person." "I cut off your hair because I thought it'd be funny." "I'm a narcissist." They know that it is these pieces of dialogue that "fans" are going to focus on. As humans when we don't think things through, and even if we do sometimes, we still focus on the bad. It's just human nature. And they're counting on it in this clip! But, if you're like me (and if you're reading this post you probably are), if you're like the people I follow, you focus on the "positive" ("positive" being the details that actually make sense and fit Loki's character based on previous evidence), "I crave attention." "It's because I'm scared of being alone." These lines are the unspoken thoughts, feelings, and emotions of OG Loki. As a real fan, everything besides these lines is hogwash. It's complete nonsense. That, and the fact that he's confiding in Sif, a woman who couldn't care less if he was alive or dead. What makes this scene worse is that we're seeing this happen to TVA Loki (Larry), and for whatever reason, Tom just looks ridiculously old in this series, and for literally no reason too, but originally this scene happened to 2011 Loki. This Loki...
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I had a problem with this scene already but when it's put into context that this (gif above) is who she was originally talking to...it just...it just hits different. 😭
I love how Loki just walks out and doesn't immediately try to choke the life out of Mobius because I would. He is beyond deserving of it at this point. You could argue that Loki probably didn't do it so he would be put back in the time loop, but if he killed Mobius fast enough he wouldn't have time to put him back I don't care he still deserves it.
M:" Or is that just a cockroach's survival mechanism kicking in?" L:" Let me out of this place, stop beating me up, and I'll tell you." M:"Cockraoch. Got it." First of all, don't call him a cockroach. Second of all, I love how Loki makes a valid request/argument and Mobius is just like, no. Nope because that would be the right thing to do but that's not what the TVA stands for or does so...no.
L:" She's difficult and irritating, and she tries to hit me all the time. No. Not partners, no." M:" Yeah, I guess you don't do partners. Unless, of course, it benefits you, and you intend to betray them at some point." I am mind blown right now. Loki is making VALID arguments against Sylvie! He is calling out her abuse raw with no sugar coding and Mobius is just...totally not listening. AT ALL! I am so confused as to what people see in both Lokius and Syliki because...you CANNOT tell me this is love. If this is your definition of love I beg you on behalf of the people you have either already messed up, and the people who you might mess up in the future to please seek help. Everything that Loki is describing is abuse in ever sense of the word, and no one can tell me otherwise. I'm also trying to figure out Mobius and this whole "You betray everyone" thing. What exactly does he expect to come from a person who he just insulted the heck out of over the course of 2 or 3 episodes? Really?
L:" It was a means to an end, Mobius. Welcome to the real world. Down there, we're awful to one another to get what we want." M:" Now I gotta have a prince tell me how the real world works? Why don't you just tell me what caused the nexus event on Lamentis?" L:" Let me say this again. I'm not going to tell you just so you can turn around immediately afterwards and prune me." This is the most OG Loki scene in this entire show. That's my baby! He knows how to fight back, you go honey! Side note, I don't know why they're trying to make Loki look like a spoiled prince. Every Thor movie proves how hard living on Asgard was for Loki even in Ragnarok. He had to disguise himself as Odin, and the second the glamor was taken down instantly everyone turned against him. He's a prince and never once could he let is guard falter. It was too much of a risk. Weakness on Asgard means death. No exceptions. Especially if you're Loki.
I love how this show only gives you scraps of OG Loki before it goes straight back to Larry. I know the time loop was bad I'm not belittling men's pain, honestly, but...he spent a year with Thanos, that's all I have to say.
How Loki's face changes is totally OOC he's being way too emotional. If you look at the scene in Thor: Dark World where the guard tells Loki Frigga is dead we don't even see Loki's face visibly change. The only indication that he's even sad is his eyes.
Mobius' rant about Loki "being in love" with Sylvie is so childish it hurts. I will never understand why in society we must always pair a man and a woman together even if they have no chemistry what so ever.🤦‍♀️
This is my last comment about Loki being easily broken into persuasion and he is a much better person than me for telling Mobius this.
M:"Unbelievable. Wherever you go, it's just death, destruction, the literal ends of worlds." This is wrong in this context. But in the context of it being a necessary evil in order to, IDK, save Asgard, this is true. What's unfortunate is the fact that whenever Loki does it though it's always met with harsh consequences or judgement. EVEN IF IT BENEFITS THE PEOPLE BEING SAVED!
I'm skipping Sylvie and B-15 + Mobius and Ravonna scene because I've concluded that the plot for this show is terrible and pointless, so I don't care.
L:"How about the word of a friend?" I am so over Larry, and his desperate need for people to befriend him. OG Loki would have been like, "screw all of you cause I'm done" just like in TDW! I think Sif is causing him to have brain damage because did he just forget that this is the same guy who locked him in a time loop where he gets kicked in the groin repeatedly.
M:"You were right, about the TVA. You were right from the beginning. And if you want to save her, you need to trust me." When people don't put faith in Loki, I immediately think they're stupid. The Warriors 3 and Lady Sif are idiots but even they subconsciously put faith in Loki to stop two wars! Also, no Mobius I don't trust you after you put me in a time loop so that I could repeatedly get kicked in the balls. This dialogue is so poor I can't.
M:"You can be whoever, whatever you wanna be, even someone good. I mean, just in case anyone ever told you different." Is this...is this suppose to be encouragement? In case you forgot hon, you were one of the main people who told him that he was useless, and annoying, and a cockroach, and to shut up, and a universal mistake, and a narcissist, etc. so if anyone doesn't have the right to say this to him it you Mobius!!!
I'm so done with how much Loki is crying in this show. Not because it hurts me (because him crying in this show does not compare to this is the slightest...👇)
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but because it's honestly super annoying.
As if this chic cares whether or not he's okay. 🙄
More time being wasted on Sylvie's backstory...
L:"I've lost track of the number of times I've been killed, so go ahead." From a this show is garbage stand point, what does that even mean? From a analyst of Loki's character stand point, are they referring to all of Loki's emotional abuse? His time with Thanos? All the times in his life where people have walked all over him? How he's constantly in pain? His suicide attempt? His time in the void?
L:"A little help here?" You cannot convince me that OG Loki need help in a fight. It's not possible. I also hate how he starts out with his arms in front of him. What happened to this guy god?
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Y'all notice how the cameras focuses on Sylvie fighting more than Loki right? It's not just me?
You cannot convince me that there is a moment in time where Loki doesn't know what to say. Seriously. you can't. And him trying to confess his love for Sylvie honestly makes me want to throw up.
How emotionless Sylvie's face is in this scene kills me. If she really cared about him her reaction would have been totally different and help much much more emotion. Her face is like, oh well.
Loki Series Episode 5 "Journey Into Mystery"
I would have to say that this beginning scenes is one of the better parts of the show but only because it gives us a glimpse of what would of happened in 2012 if Tony hadn't of caught the missile.
Sylvie reminds me so much of Thor in this scene it is honestly painful.
S:"And how will saving him get us closer to who's really behind the TVA?" I love how she says this line immediately after asking how Loki is still alive. Shows you where her priorities are and how much she cares about Loki. She doesn't. Sylvie is completely self absorbed, and her face doesn't even change when Loki is mentioned. I really do not understand where this Syliki ship is coming from.
OG Loki would never lose his temper this quickly, just saying.
I'm going to just skip around with this...multiple variants of Loki nonsense going on in this episode because...there is just so much wrong with it I can't even put it all in this post. It too long as it is but in summary, none of this makes sense.🤦‍♀️
Also, with the kid Loki variant, I would have thought they would have cast someone who looked more like the child version of Loki from Thor 1. You know this one 👇
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I know they're different ages but still. I personally think that Timothee Chalamet would have been great for this role, and he's a great actor so he probably would have done a bit better. IDK why but Timothee and Tom look slightly similar to me. Feel free to disagree but...
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Yeah...because...of course Kid Loki killed Thor. That's 100% believable. 🙄
I don't know how this "Thanos" helicopter would have gotten there. Like seriously, why is it there? That thing is totally random even for the end of the world.
A space craft designed to get through the void at the end of time. That makes total sense. How did Sylvie fall for that even if it is only for a split second? Ravonna said it was impossible for one, and for two, if everyone thought the Time Keepers were real and every "cosmic mistake" was there why would anyone be concerned about what was at the end of time? Wouldn't they just assume it was ultimately nothing?
S: "Just one, really." I love how so many fake Loki fans think she's talking about Loki in this scene. I question if we watched the same series because they literally have zero good memories together. The one time they even got somewhat emotional was when they thought they were going to die on Lamentis.
I honestly have to say, out of every Loki variant presented in this show I like Classic Loki the most. He's the only one out of all of them who's story lines up with Loki's character. And if Classic Loki endured what OG Loki had at the hands of Thanos, I cannot blame him for running. It worked out in the end anyway. It's implied that the Avengers won without him so good for him. Hey, at least he was happy for a while. That's a lot more than what we can say for OG Loki. Maybe instead of trying to find Sylvie in season 2 they can have Loki take a page out of Classic Loki's book. As unlikely as that is, the thought still makes me happy.
L:"And she needs me." Honey, she's been trying to get rid of you since the second episode, what are you talking about? You're the one that's codependent, not her. Also she basically hates you so...where is this coming from? And she's doing fine without you as well.
This whole...Loki variants thing is honestly the worst thing about the show. Not the costumes, the poor dialogue, not even the plot and that's saying something. Nope, it's this scene right here. And out of all of the Loki variants there are I hate President Loki the most. He doesn't even serve a purpose to the plot other than to make Loki look bad as a character. He's not funny, I don't know what Tom is doing to his voice in this scene, he's overly dramatic, and the screaming, just...just...why? HE'S NOT EVEN IN THE REST OF THE SCENE!!
Again with the "Glorious Purpose". 🙄
CL:"We lie and we cheat, we cut the throat of every person who trusts us, and for what? Power. Glorious power. Glorious purpose! We cannot change." The only thing I agree with is how Classic Loki makes this statement in pain and irritation. Given the fact that I'm on episode 5 now, I think it's safe to say that the reasons as to why I disagree with the overall statement have already been conveyed.
L:"She's the only one I do trust." WHY?!! She doesn't even care about him! My gosh this guy is such a simp for this abusive, lousy, sorry excuse for a woman, and I am so over it!
S:"When I pruned myself, I though I might be able to find Loki. That storm, that thing, it's likely already got him." M:"You really believe that?" S:"It doesn't matter." I will never ever ever ever ever understand Syliki shippers. EVER! This dialogue literally proves what I was saying above! She doesn't even look or sound sad at the thought of him being gone! Mobius asking if she even believe it almost makes it worse. She says "It doesn't matter." This woman is worse than Thor. Loki didn't even do anything, and she's already giving up. Unbelievable.
S:"We thought you could do with some backup." What?! Tell me this is not the same woman who two seconds ago had come to accept that he was dead!
M:"She's pretty confident." I think arrogant is a better word but okay Mobius.
*Skips the conversation that's about Sylvie even though the show is titled Loki*
I have no comment about Mobius trying to figure out if Alligator Loki is a Loki. I get that it's a joke, but it's not funny, just like the rest of the show.
S:"Mobius isn't so bad." L:"Or so good. I think that's why we get along." S:"He cares about you." What?! I don't understand these people, and I've given up on trying. Everything in this post negates that statement.
L:"It's cold." S:"Mmm-hmm." Someone please explain to me the logic behind how two JOTUNS are cold?! Please. I'm begging you. This is like a polar bear saying it's cold! That makes zero sense! Evolution has designed them to with stand below freezing temperatures! This show as literally evaded all logic! This is the dumbest excuse for a poor attempt at a romantic scene I have ever witness in my life.🤦‍♀️
S:"You could conjure me a new outfit. You have no idea how uncomfortable something like this is." …You see, if they had of left Loki's OG armor on in the show for more than 2 seconds this line probably wouldn't have made it into the script. It still shouldn't of if you ask me because yes he does. He wears Asgardian leather, same as her, in every...single...movie. Every single one. I don't....
Ah, more emotional constipation. *Gags* Yay.
S:"I don't know how to do this." L:"I don't even know what we're doing." First of all, Sylvie, we as the audience by this point have already figured that out. Second, I bet you my life savings this is the only line out of the whole show that Tom actually enjoyed saying. Because I'm pretty sure that he doesn't know what he's doing either. And as the audience, we also don't know what you're doing. 😁
S:"Is it a tablecloth?" More poor jokes woohoo. It honestly looks like one, but I don't understand why it would be a table cloth.
S:"How do I know that, in the final moments, you won't betray me?" Nope. No. I'm done. It's the fifth episode, and she's still asking this? I'm still struggling to remember the first time. It drives me insane when people ask this. He's nearly died how many time for people who couldn't care less about him or his well being. The people who should spend the rest of their live worshiping him instead spend it spitting on him, and I can't take it anymore.
L:"I betrayed everyone who ever loved me." Please reference this post as to why this line makes no sense and is not even true. We're going to ignore the fact that he keeps going because I...I can't do it with this show.
L:"And that's not who I am anymore." You've made it clear that there is a HUGE difference between you, Larry, and OG Loki, believe me. It 99% of the reason why this show is so bad.
S:"...there might be a timeline for you to rule." L:"Ah. And then I'd finally be happy." Yeah, that's my response because...how many times do we have to go over this? Tom looks like he's ready to throw up, and he's really holding it in here. 🤣This scene makes his acting look bad, and he's a professional! If you don't believe me by all means, please, go watch The Night Manager (This is one of my favorites). You really could watch any movie that he's in before 2020 and understand why, as a fan, I am genuinely embarrassed for him. He looks terrible, there I said it.
I love how Sylvie's face just says "no" in the most blunt way possible.
S:"We don't know who created it or where they are, but that thing out there does. When it hit me earlier, I linked to it. It was brief, but I caught a glimpse of something, and I think if I can get close enough to it, I can enchant it and it's gonna take me to whoever's behind all of this." I'm sorry but the lack of sureness in this statement is disturbing. You can look at any other marvel movie and the main characters always have a full proof plan. Even if it is dangerous. There is no "might", "something", "I don't know". The main character in Marvel movies knows what they're doing. OG Loki wouldn't execute a plan based on a seeing a glimpse of something. He can come up with full proof plans while being mentally unstable. This chic is at full mental capacity and this is the best she can do?! That's embarrassing.
Currently trying to figure out why handing Loki the tempad is such a milestone.
S:"Loki, I don't know if this is gonna work." Yeah...you made that pretty clear.
L:"You go, I go." *Violently rolls eyes*🙄
I don't understand why they are trying so hard for this scene to be emotional. Let's go already!
M:"Looks like you got away in the end." L:"I always do." *Reminisces about the time Loki's "escape" resulted in him being imprisoned by Thanos, then Odin, and then killed by Thanos* The heck are they talking about.
*Vomits in mouth watching Loki and Mobius hug* 🤮
L:"What if we don't have time to wait for a branch?" He's asks this question now?!
I have no idea what this head nodding is supposed to mean. My interpretation is that Sylvie is thinking why the heck are you touching me, and Larry's just like just roll with it like a total pervert. 🤣
S:"How is he doing that?" L:"I think we're stronger than we realize." First of all, we all know Loki can cast illusions. We've seen him do it in literally every Thor movie. Sylvie not knowing how to do it just further proves why OG Loki is better than her. I really do not understand why they are trying do hard to dull down Loki's powers especially since he's already proved how powerful , intelligent, sexy, and skilled he really is.
L:"What are you doing?" S:"We're gonna enchant it." L:"I don't know how." First of all, SYLVIE IF YOU DON'T GET YOUR DISCUSTING, SELFISH, APATHETIC HANDS OFF MY MAN You would have to pay me some serious money to get me to believe that Loki, a master of magic, doesn't know how to enchant people. Please refer to above.
S:"You do. Because we're the same." I wish this was the last episode because I am too through with this dialogue.
RIP Classic Loki. To bad, out of all of the Loki's he was my favorite.
Loki Series Episode 6 "For All Time. Always."
Small disclaimer: If you made it all the way down here may you be blessed by Loki's beauty because you are wonderful! 🥰🥰🥰
IT'S TIME FOR THE FINAL EPISODE!!
S:"Well, if you think it's a bad idea, I prefer you to speak your mind." Oh, NOW she cares about his opinion. I see. 🙄
L:"No. Nothing to say." S:"That'll be a first." I cannot express how happy I am that Tom actually sounds like Loki in this scene. Also, it's the last episode, so I'm not going to go on a rant about how Sylvie is wrong here.
I love how Loki's whole demeanor in this scene is exactly what the audience is thinking which is, IF YOU DON'T HURRY UP SO WE CAN GET THIS OVER WITH!
Hate Sylvie for telling him to shut up, and I hate the directors for making the final episode about her when the show is called Loki. That is the last time I'm saying this.
MM:"You know how you got into this mess." L:"What?" The Battle of New York, silly. You versus those self-righteous Avengers. How would you like to win? But not just there. You can kill Thanos. You want the Infinity Gauntlet? Yours. Throne of Asgard? No problem." Why is Miss Minutes purring after saying Avengers. Horny Clock?😳 I love how the only thing that even sounds remotely satisfying would be killing Thanos. But now I have a billion more questions regarding Loki's poor treatment because now we know for sure that the TVA is aware he was tortured. Yet they still treated him like dirt. Some heroes.
One thing I learned from this series is that Miss Minutes is a horrible liar.
I'm just going say it now because we know it only goes down hill from here. Kang is the most boring MCU villain in existence.
Look at that, B-15 is alive.
K:"You're a flea on the back of a dragon. In for one hell of a ride. But you did manage to hang on. I guess that counts for something." I'm not even going to go there because if you've made it this far you already know what I'm going to say.
Mobius has what I like to call NCD. Non-existent Character Development or Thor Character Development. Where the main character leaves their home but instead of going on a journey to write their wrongs or learn something, they go on vacation and come back but ultimately didn't learn anything. Mobius is a hypocrite because now since what the TVA does doesn't suit his needs he wants to bring it down.
S:"Or you're a liar." Sylvie being the dumbest version of Loki. He just explained, with details that actually make sense, why it's important he stays alive and this is the best response she can come up with. Okay, we're doomed.
L:"Why would you give up being in control?" I think this is the most OOC line out of the entire show. This has gone on for so long I don't even want to explain why. All I have to say is *cough* Thor 1 *cough*.
I would die before I would live under the rule of Larry and Sylvie. Loki on the other hand has proven he could do so by all means. But Larry and Sylvie, absolutely not.
K:"Murderer! Hypocrite!" Finally somebody says it! Thank you!
Skipping to Loki and Sylvie's conversation...Sylvie is selfish as all get out. So blinded by her pain that she can't even see the bigger picture. 🤦‍♀️
S:"You want the throne." Sometimes I genuinely wonder what people hear when Loki talks. I'm so glad this is the last episode because I cannot take anymore of this stupidity.
Part... I don't even know... of Loki providing valid reasoning and introducing smart decisions to dumb people who don't care and aren't listening.
I'm done with Loki crying. Seriously.
S:"Why aren't we seeing this the same way?" Because Loki is a super genius with ruling experience, and you, Sylvie, are stupid, foolish, tactless, and selfish. This is the most In character Loki had been. Also you've never seen anything the same way this whole show so...why start now during the last episode. I also love how this destroys all and any meaning behind their poorly scripted, severely constipated heart to heart earlier.
L:"I've been where you are. I've felt what you feel." Not really but sure hun. Honestly though I have no idea what they're talking about in this scene. All of Loki's pain comes from his self-loathing caused by his abusive family and so-called friends. Sylvie is mad because her life was ultimately taken from her, and she had to live on the run, that's totally different.
This whole post explains everything wrong with the kiss, besides her pushing Loki into a portal literally 5 seconds later. Scratch that, go back 3 minutes that explains it too.
OH MY GOODNESS IT'S OVER!!! FINALLY!
If you made it to the end of this post thank you so much, I really appreciate it! 🥰🥰🥰
If you're wondering if I am going to be reviewing season 2...don't bother asking because this was pain enough.
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RIP to tom i used to love hearing him talk about loki even if he occasionally had some bad takes back in the day too. but we are where we are, i guess, and now even he sounds just like the rest of these fuckwits. *sigh*
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So if HL don't write about each other much, who are their love songs about? Imo all of their songs make clear references to each other. Louis isn't going to date you.
??? Why is that the conclusion ??? Seriously how that work? To a Larry blog? That just won't shut up about how in love they must be? I don't even wanna know how many posts i have of song analyses of theirs where I'm just listing and listing references to each other. Over and over. Also @larrylyrics is one of my sideblogs that's really just about reblogging interpretations of their songs and the vast majority is just yelling about how much their songs match and shit like...
I don't even know why I'm answering this honestly but I think a shitton of songs out there, not just Louis and Harry's, often come from non-romantic experiences and/or draw inspiration from everywhere and not just their own love lives, but write in such a way it alludes to a romantic relationship because that just works very well and is relatable to a lot of listeners.
I'm not saying I don't think they write about each other at all, but each and every single time something in their songs seems to be about a relationship? No. I think they share a life, and first and foremost they're singing about their lives, of course, but more like.. when Louis is singing about his own life, Harry is there, but he's not the main character. It's Louis. It's like... Ok let's do it like this: Reading this song and applying it to my own life, now Silver Tongues specifically, I'm thinking of my experiences going out with my friends but also my partner who is my best friend, and perhaps previous partners or whatever dynamic that's maybe got a flavor of both like... could have been a date or whatever, it's not like romantic and non-romantic love are separate entities and should be separated and I don't think when artists write lyrics they're just thinking of one thing? And I'm not just talking when they initially wrote it, just over time, revisiting it, singing it, seeing where the listeners take it once it's released, where it goes for they themselves, it can take different meanings etc. I just think that approaching songs as this is most definitely about his romantic relationship and so it's about Harry and so every line is about Harry and in a romantic way is not very realistic. Not with songwriters at this level anyway.
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Faith in the Future lyrics were leaked to Tumblr Larries in mid-April, 2022. Presumably the leaker had the audio files then too.
Louis blocked HLD on May 24, 2022.
Louis’ audio files are leaked on Twitter (and Larries repost them everywhere) on August 13, 2022, two weeks ahead of the first single. These files were last processed in 2021– by which time Louis was “officially” with BMG and had left Sony.
Interesting timeline.
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larrysballetslippers · 7 months
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LMAO
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tryhoney · 2 years
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baby girl harry styles i love u ❤️
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ok so i saw this tiktok and after sending it to @bluewinnerangel we went down the absolute hell spiral that is the monsters inc. parallel to the larryverse. yeah you read that sentence just now
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sounds familiar. oh yeah it reminds me of
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the restaurant where mike wazowski treats his date in monsters inc. oh wait what’s that
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hmm.
so then like... what other parallels are there?
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oh yeah the key element of the fucking movie.
add to the mix these fans who were right on the dot. had prophetic vision. 
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of course this is the menace behind it.
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my conclusion: louis’s universe is centered around green orbs
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skepticalarrie · 1 year
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Ok.. so.. I’m a 2023 larrie but very strong one, no one or nothing can prove me to believe otherwise.. Anyway, I’m just wondering is this gayos normal in this fandom? I feel like something’s cooking big time.. but I haven’t been here long enough to know if this is normal? I mean both of them are single at the same time and all this other stuff going on. My question is if this is just a normal spring in Larryverse that or is it something “else”?
There's been a lot of significant changes lately, and I think that's due also big changes to their solo careers - Louis finally being able to kick off his and Harry's skyrocketing - plus the pandemic that left us with nothing for a really long time, so ever since things came back it seems pretty chaotic, more than usual. Not to mention the fandom really isn't the same as it was, recent events really slipt fans into a lot of different corners and a lot of people left. So I'm definitely not going to tell you this is "normal", it feels very weird and off.
But I understand what you're implying, and no, I don't think a coming out or something like that is going to happen any time soon. I'm pretty confident to say probably all of us experienced the feeling something big was about to happen just around the corner when we first joined the fandom, it doesn't matter when. And I get many messages from new fans having that feeling for years now... so, I don't think this is a build up for something, I think things just changed.
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nikkoliferous · 1 year
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Sylvie, Queen of the Mary Sues; Worst of Her Name; Breaker of Canon*
The Shameless Erasure of Loki’s Trauma in Order to Prop Up the Show’s True Protagonist, Sylvie
Loki Deserves Better Than His Toxic, One-sided Romance With Sylvie
Sylki is Literally the Opposite of a Self-Love Story
The Hypocrisy of Framing Sylvie as a Hero and Loki as a Villain
Sylvie and the Problem With “Strong Female Characters”
Loki (2021)’s Cynical Use of Comic Book Easter Eggs to Shortcut Sylvie’s Character “Development”
Belittling vs. Bickering: Sylvie and Loki’s Problematic Dynamic
Every Single Issue With Sylki (It’s Not Just the Selfcest)
Why Loki (2021)’s Sylvie Is A Mary Sue
Even Ignoring the Selfcest, Sylki Is Still A Terrible Pairing
*shoutout to @iamnmbr3 for this catchy nickname lol
↩️ back to the compendium
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Loki Looking Like An IDIOT!
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anticonspiracist · 1 year
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Do you think that there is some mental health issue related to long term belief in conspiracy theories? I understand ct’s being used as a coping mechanism or form of escapism but the constant unbridled belief after years is almost unsettling. I was reading a larries post about how babygate would likely end in 2023 and make way for a fresh start in 2024 and it was so similar to posts i’ve seen since this started in like 2015. It’s hard for me to imagine being proven wrong at every turn and still believing so whole heartedly. I don’t mean this to diagnose anyone either I just wondered what your thoughts were on long-term conspiracy theory belief on the way your mind works/views the world.
I think that it's less that long term belief in conspiracy theories causes a mental health issue of some kind and more that it can be a symptom of a mental health issue. Not always a symptom, but in some cases.
Conspiracy beliefs are a coping mechanism. Coping mechanism for what, exactly? That depends upon the person. There is some evidence to suggest that those with higher levels of dispositional anxiety are more likely to engage in conspiracism than those with lower levels. This doesn't cut against what we would see as "common sense" -- those experiencing more baseline anxiety will need to find ways to mitigate that anxiety, and conspiracism is highly accessible now and answers all the questions that can't be answered in any other way.
I saw a post yesterday or the day before that addresses what you've seen regarding the similarities between 2015 and today --
Anon: Ok.. so.. I’m a 2023 larrie but very strong one, no one or nothing can prove me to believe otherwise.. Anyway, I’m just wondering is this gayos normal in this fandom? I feel like something’s cooking big time.. but I haven’t been here long enough to know if this is normal? I mean both of them are single at the same time and all this other stuff going on. My question is if this is just a normal spring in Larryverse that or is it something “else”?
Larrie response: I’m pretty confident to say probably all of us experienced the feeling something big was about to happen just around the corner when we first joined the fandom, it doesn’t matter when. And I get many messages from new fans having that feeling for years now… so, I don’t think this is a build up for something, I think things just changed. [source/archive]
So I think it's less that we're seeing massive numbers of people continuing in conspiracy beliefs and more that there's a rotating cast who are unwittingly repeating the same mistakes as those who came before them. And this isn't because they're right, obviously, but instead because the structure of a conspiracy is the same regardless of the details. This is what makes the believers so predictable in their behavior.
Now, those who are long-time believers in a conspiracy theory? I'd wager that for the vast majority of them there is something underlying that belief that makes the belief preferable to reality, and the inability to accept that reality (what it says about the world, what it says about them) can damage their mental health. The longer you're in, the more it takes to unwind from it.
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Hi!
I’m new to the larryverse and am really finding bits and pieces fun (show recaps and fan projects), funny (art, commentary), comforting (the actual music!), and compelling (marketing, learning more about overt vs covert homophobia, media and industry manipulation, etc.).
I’ve been slowly catching up (i.e. reading stuff on various sm platforms) on fan opinion regarding who LT is addressing/singing about/to in FITF.
It’s interesting to me how so many folks think most, or a large portion, of his songs are about his fans and the relationship there. I recognize that there is a facet of that on the album and he does make loads of reference to that in his promo, but I am also finding it a little naive to believe he is singing that he loves only the fans, and the entirety of the album is dedicated to them, and them alone. They’ve found him, and he loves them for that. He catches their eye and sees they’re the same and he just wants to dance with them. It’s great lyricism because now that I’m writing this out I am seeing how it can true. Ha ha. Perhaps because I’m relatively new here I don’t understand his writing style, fan dynamics, or LT as a person, but he’s a person with a wide social network, family, friends, and a significant other. Why do people disregard that? Just like any other artist he paints with a wide brush on a large canvass.
I guess this is all to say is that I think his team and the marketing strategy to the fandom is really working. Good for him!
sorry for the long rant. I should take up journaling or something. Jesus. Ha ha.
have a love day!
Hi sweetheart. So glad you're finding your way in the fandom. With Walls, Louis was very vocal about the album being autobiographical and that many of the songs were about his "girlfriend" and it fit the narrative that was being spun that she'd come back to him at his lowest (after his mom died) and had saved him.
With FITH future, he's made an effort to say numerous times how this album is not as autobiographical and that he wasn't going to speak on the meanings of each song which gives fans more of an opportunity to interpret each song as they read them. I tend to find, though, that the people who are dead set in believing the songs are about the fans, often are people who don't buy the idea that Harry and Louis are still together (or who just outright hate Harry). But also, the idea that Louis is super focused on his fans is one that he/his team are really pushing. Yeah, the songs could definitely be read as being about fans (as you've shown above), and some might be. But, to me, it seems reductive to assume anything that reads as a love song is automatically about the fans. I'd say they're more layered and meant to appeal to people in different ways. He's got a lot going on in his life that he can draw inspiration from. His relationship with fans, for sure. But, IMO, his relationship with Harry is going to be woven into those songs, too.
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swimmingleo · 2 years
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im chasing the thrill I felt the day I learnt michael youn was part of the larryverse
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