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dkmbookworm · 1 year
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Something that really pisses me off is this assumption that because you dislike the current direction with Loki and Thor’s characters, it must mean that you “hate comedy” and “want everything to be serious and gloomy”. As if the only form of comedy that exists is weird, random antics. What is this attitude that thor and loki were never funny in the previous films? The only difference is that the comedy was formed based on their personalities and conflicts with other people or situations, rather than just them being stupid or quirky.
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alwida10 · 5 months
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After the … horrible*cough* … most deep and tragic, but certainly not satisfying conclusion of the Loki series, I would like to randomly cite one of the writers of Thor (2011) with a random advise for aspiring and established script writers. 🙂
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That’s all. 🙂
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artist-issues · 6 months
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Reminder that making Loki and Sylvie romantic was not a huge mistake. It was very smart and very in-character.
Not because they love themselves. That’s just a very clever writer’s play on the Loki-Trope-words.
Because she’s the most not-him person that there is. He wants to be the center of attention. She wants to live a quiet life left alone. He wants to take thrones and rule. She wants to topple thrones and rulers. He wants to tyrannize and enslave. She wants to set whole realities free. He sets traps to defeat his most hated foes. She just runs up and stabs them. He never shuts up. She’s stoic and quiet.
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To people who believe it’s weird or gross because “they share DNA” or “they’re siblings…” Yeah. They share the same DNA, clearly—just like the Alligator Loki! 🙄 And they share parents, clearly—oh, except they don’t, because Loki’s parents were the kind of people to hide his true origins from him, and Sylvie’s parents were as different from that as you can get. They don’t share DNA, they aren’t the same gender, they don’t share memories or a similar history, and they don’t even share a name. They’re not like the same person, and they’re not like siblings.
The places where they’re similar? Like Sylvie’s chip on her shoulder against those who’ve wronged her? They’re all the places Loki has grown out of, or is in the process of growing out of when he meets Sylvie—and she’s been hellbent on avenging herself against those who’ve wronged her for her whole life.
He’s in love with her because of the—say it with me—“Idea of Potential” that she represents.
It’s just like how Ariel is in love with Eric, even before she gets to know him, because all she needs to know is that his character traits match up with everything she’s always hoped humans could be like. All Loki needs to know about Sylvie is that her character traits match up with everything he’s always wished he could be:
Confident instead of pretending to be confident; heroic instead of pretending to be heroic; secure in who he is regardless of what people think of him; able to focus on something bigger than himself; etc. Loki’s never been able to be those things and even convinced himself he’s proud of pretending—but Sylvie genuinely is all those things.
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And Sylvie? Since she was stolen from her home and family she has made no connections, had nobody care about her, and focused only on her mission. If she ever had dreams outside of that, it probably revolved around the idea of freedom. Then in comes this guy who not only expresses care for her, but is the type of guy who doesn’t let anybody tell him what he is or what to do—he can relate to her feelings of hurt, and eventually, tries to help her grow beyond them, too.
They both represent something that the other person has always wanted to do or be, and they both challenge each other, and they both have this big existential hole in their hearts of “nobody wants me or likes me” to relate to each other with.
How is this a mistake? It’s literally the smartest way they’ve ever had Loki make a connection with someone outside his adopted family. (Mobius is cool and all but he’s a Thor-stand-in for this Loki, who’s been ripped out of Thor’s timeline.)
I’m going to stop beating the dead horse, but basically, if you think Loki and Sylvie as a romantic couple is weird, try and look at it the way it actually is, instead of superimposing “female love interest bad” or catchy Internet memes like “Loki Show Approves Incest” over everything 🙄
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pinktwingirl · 6 months
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Friendly reminder that Loki is an agent of chaos and the TVA is the antithesis of everything that he stands for as a character. Making him a simp for these fascists is the most insulting thing the MCU could have possibly done to this character
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gloriousburden · 4 months
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when will the loki series hype finally die down so i can look through all the main loki tags and find actual loki stuff again and not just lokius shippers crying over and obsessing over the series like DAMN!!!
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magpie-murder · 5 months
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i know i've talked so much about it today, but i seriously cannot get loki season 2 out of my head. everything i have learned about it has been against my will
it's genuinely messed up that so much of the dialogue in the loki series is spent talking about how loki is a bad person and a murderer and etc. when the loki show itself is the one that cut his redemption arc short.
a redemption arc, btw, which was for things he was likely either forced or manipulated into doing— and don't come to me saying the thanos torture is a headcanon. rewatch Avengers 1. he is harmed and threatened on screen. thanos canonically tortures his own daughters. and him harming LOKI is a stretch? come on, now.
"itS nOt CAnOn" shut up. curse of allspeak:
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zylice · 2 months
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Tom Hiddleston always gets the short end of the stick when it comes to ‘Loki.’
- His show didn’t have showrunners that actually knew about or cared about his character
- The original script he was given was blacklisted in 2018
- Michael Waldron the show ‘creator’ is a ‘phile’ and a sicko overall.
- Kate Herron said that they ‘made things up as they went along.’
- They wanted to ‘knock Tom down a notch’ in order to let Sylvie shine. I recall Taika saying a similar thing in relation to Ragnarok and even Feige removed him from Age of Ultron due to his ‘insane acting skills.’ 🙄
- Apparently Chris Hemsworth is ‘sick of Loki’ and said that he’s like a “clingy ex-girlfriend who can’t take the hint that it’s done, it’s over.”
- Taika Waititi said that Loki outshined Thor before so he wanted to stop that from happening.
- Taika wanted to put Loki in a porta potty:
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- Taika wanted Tom to get pregnant with a horse implying bestial r*pe!!
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- Most of his scenes from the movies were deleted
- Michael Waldron and Kate Herron said that they wanted to ‘knock Tom down a few pegs’ in order to give Sylvie a chance to shine
- He had to film the show during COVID which stuffed a lot of things
- He couldn’t promote the second season due to the SAG AFTRA strikes.
- He’s never featured in the Marvel opening title sequence
- He is still one of the ‘lowest paid Marvel actors.’
- He goes out of his way to promote Infinity War even though he’s only in it for 2 minutes!
- His series didn’t get the ‘spotlight treatment’ or have and show runners who KNEW anything about Marvel or Loki! Tom spent FOUR days showing them PowerPoint presentations showing them all about aloki and the MCU at the infamous ‘Loki Lectures’ but “SCREW YOU TOM AND YOUR CHARACTER! WE CARE MORE ABOUT KANG AND THE TVA, YOUR ‘CHARACTER’ IS JUST A PLACE HOLDER NOW!”
- They made him look older and less appealing in the show than he does irl. Look at him in some shots in the show then see him behind the scenes! The makeup, lighting and angles were unflattering at times! They even managed to remove that sparkle in his eye in the show but it was there behind the scenes!
- The director of S1, Kate Herron said that it was wanted Sophia/Sylvie to ‘knock Tom Hiddleston down a notch.’
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The director of S2, Aaron Moorhead said ‘Why don’t you just go away?’
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What we could have had… 😪 Poor guy. I wonder how he feels being bullied, exploited and sidelined all the time. 😢💔
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shoshi12321 · 4 months
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Has anyone read the Loki wiki page recently? I was always under the impression that wiki pages were supposed to remain unbiased. Loki did some fucked up shit, obviously, but I don't know if this page accurately displays all of his motivations and feelings regarding why he did what he did in Thor 1. It implies (or really states) that he basically always hated Thor and Odin, and he is a sociopath that never loved his family (besides a small degree). Additionally, that he always felt like he was owed everything and his arrogance is crazy. The arrogance part was a later addition to make him more evil in Avengers, just saying. No clue when this was added, but it feels very post-Ragnarok. Again, not a great person, but this seems very much "Loki hated everyone always and anytime he was happy he was scheming."
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jonquilclegane · 4 months
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Are they serious???
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Source: https://thedirect.com/article/loki-season-2-ending-atlas
.... Loki.
Loki Odinson, adopted son of Odin, the King of Asgard, and Brother of Thor.
Loki Laufeyson, son of Laufey, King of Jotunheim.
A LOWERCASE GOD?????
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Trying to dismish Loki's importance to increase the importance of their **** show ^^' BUT LOKI WAS ALWAYS A CAPITAL-G GOD... Seriously, if Loki was a "lowercase god", then what are you going to call the gods outside of the royal family???
COME ON.
Would you call Sif less than a lowercase goddess, then?
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They're ridiculous....
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purplehalnw · 5 months
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That whole ending with Loki holding all of the timelines together for eternity... I read another post where someone said that ending didn't feel right because Loki didn't cause any of this shit, he shouldn't be the one who has to sacrifice himself to solve these problems that aren't even his fault.
And yeah honestly they should've had He Who Remains be forced to hold these timelines together as punishment or something or maybe have Mobius or any one of the TVA workers do this as a way to make up for all the horrible shit they did.
But nope we get this ending that's supposed to be "tragic" and serve as a form of "redemption" but doesn't because the writers have made it very clear that they have no understanding of Loki's character or how to write a decent story in general.
Edit: I see y'all mentioning Sylvie and I think I must've purged my memory of her when writing this post. Hell yeah she should be the one fixing this shit considering it was her recklessness that started it in the first place. But no I guess Loki lOvEs her now even though she's been nothing but an asshole for this entire fucking show.
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Absolutely love that in Loki season 2 they blatantly make fun of Norse culture and say that the wooden Norse Odin, Baldr and Thor statue carvings are "dramatizations" and "highly insulting" and "glorified dioramas"
Real nice Disney real fucking nice/s /neg
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musclesandhammering · 8 months
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Me, dragging myself across the floor toward the Marvel writers, crying and gasping for breath, having completely run out of hope for Loki season 2 being any good: p-please. Black nails. P-please, just j-just… let me have that. Just that o-one thing, please-
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dani-luminae · 5 months
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The ending of the Loki series really was the writers going "we're gonna make you wish we'd left his story end in Infinity War" huh
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cosmicjoke · 6 months
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Everything I'm hearing about Loki Season 2 is just highlighting what the major miss is that Marvel's committed with this character. Even the positive reviews can only talk about the extension of the multi-verse and the TVA and the action, blah, blah, blah. But what's always made Loki such a dynamic and interesting character is his own, internal and personal struggle. He's a character driven character, and so any stories featuring him should, by and large, be character driven. And that's the problem. Other than making Loki into a fucking ass-hat clown who gets beat at every turn by total nobodies, calling into question his intellectual capacity, the issue is that this show has never focused on Loki as a character. He ended up not only playing second fiddle to Sylvie in season 1, essentially reduced to a superfluous presence in his own show, but none of the elements of Loki's story that are so intriguing and just begging to be explored got any acknowledgment at all. The reality of his internalized racism, his sense of alienation and separation from his brother and father, his desperation to win Odin's love, and thus desperation to live up to Thor's existence, and how that was always the driving force behind all of his villainous actions, etc... None of that has ever, ever been addressed outside of the first Thor film and just a little bit in the second Thor film. You would think a show ABOUT Loki would find the room and time to actually delve into these topics. But nope. Instead they focus on a bunch of BS about the multi-verse, which they've already based multiple films on and which nobody cares about at all. This show isn't about Loki. It's called Loki. But all it really is is a set up for Avengers 5, or whatever fucking number they're on. Ugh. Whatever.
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pinktwingirl · 2 years
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THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
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gloriousburden · 5 months
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question for any other fans of loki who specifically like the 2011 - 2013 versions of him:
if we did have a loki centered movie/series exploring either loki after the events of tdw, a prequel, or anything else, what would you guys want explored, explained, etc… in it? please add onto this, or even send me an ask! would love to see what you guys would think loki content should’ve consisted of/been about. or even just anything where various questions would’ve been answered. like more about his jotun heritage, his time with thanos between 2011 and 2012, etc..
please rb for reach, truly would love to see what everyone else thinks lol ^_^
loki cat gif bc i can’t get enough of them
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