#height discourse

[elvendorx]

The Remus and Sirius height discourse has become so loaded. Today I saw a post claiming that viewing Sirius as taller than Remus means that one supports jkr? (What?)

Canonically, Sirius is taller than Remus. That's just a fact. And I understand that some people don't care about canon, and that's cool!! But even if you don't give a flying fig about canon, that does not make the view that Remus is taller than Sirius any more valid than the reverse, and you can't go around telling other people that they are wrong, or worse, bad people for not agreeing with a version of the character that exists in your head?

Look I get that it would be annoying to have people inject an "ahem actually..." on posts that are clearly based on headcanons. I get that. But that is the natural consequence of taking the names/tags of characters from popular fandoms and using them for your own OCs, and the fact that these fans jump to "they must be horrible people!" as opposed to "they might be confused about my relationship with canon" is... something.

As someone who is neurodivergent, I find that the fandom that claims to love diversity has very little tolerance for people who don't understand the unwritten rules about when canon is and isn't allowed to be used as a reference point. (Somehow, we still hate Snape because canon, but all other canon is garbage?) Sorry for the rant, I'm just tired and confused.

don't be sorry at all, i think this kind of thing needs to be talked about because at its worst, this rhetoric is an attempt at emotional manipulation and censorship. nobody is ever going to 100% agree even with the exact same words on a page - this is the entire literary criticism field, most of the time variation in readings are a good thing but this isn't even a "reading", because it has no bearing on the characters, they just are or aren't a certain height, so it becomes a tool for personal agendas - "if you think sirius was tall, you're a fascist". even though those two facts are not connected, because sirius' height is never anything more than a physical description of him. and it's glaringly obvious that the people who fixate on this aren't interested in sirius as a character, just as a vehicle for their own fantasies/validation.

this is the problem that comes from people trying to put dynamics & personalities that they want to see onto characters who don't fit those moulds. the height thing doesn't actually matter, it doesn't change anything in the narrative, but it summarises the attitude towards canon which for me summarises critical reading & reading comprehension as a whole within hp fandom. i don't think canon is perfect and i don't think it's sacred but i don't understand why you would engage with something that you have to twist out of recognition in order to enjoy it.

part of the fun of fandom, for me, is finding the limits and boundaries while maintaining recognition. at the very least, even if you change everything else, character has to be consistent. you have to recognise who you're working with otherwise what are you doing here? other authors are writing and have written exactly what you want, so why do you need this character with a history and motivations and a distinctive personality to be the ideal version of you/the partner you want (because lbr, that's it!). i'm not saying that people can't use their imaginations and bend things, i do it, and people can do that by bending characters out of recognition if they want. i don't get any enjoyment out of that or see the point in it but i'm not going to try and stop people. it's the flagrant dismissal of logic and evidence that i think is a more dangerous stance when applied more widely.

it's ALWAYS the people who want remus to be taller and sirius to be tiny who have 10 million personal reasons why they need it to be that way around despite it being clear that sirius is specifically tall, and remus is of such average and nondescript height that it's never mentioned. it's nobody else's responsibility to validate anyone's projections onto a fictional character, and your personal reasons for wanting a character to behave in a way that they wouldn't isn't anybody's responsibility. i don't think these kind of people see the irony in how they're trying to force their view on everyone else even though there's direct contradiction to it, yet are claiming that people who go with that feature from the text are violent fanaticists or something.

when you question why it makes such a difference to the "big strong remus and baby boi sirius" people, it comes down to "it's cuter" or "it allows me to simplify m/m relationships into tough and cute and use physical attributes as symbols rather than thinking complexly about personality traits and dynamics." the height thing is basically one step away from top/bottom discourse and just because someone identifies as queer or relates to a character doesn't make it unproblematic. if you need to see a character who represents your specific circumstances, find one or make an original one, imo. it's not an entire fandom's job to validate individuals and it's manipulative to suggest that someone else seeing a character according to the way that character is explicitly described is an act of hatred or violence or something.

apologies if this turned into a rant of its own - i don't CARE that sirius is tall but the attitude towards minor, basic facts is wild to me. it makes no difference to me but idk why you would take being taller than snape away from sirius bc he clearly enjoys being able to tower over him. if i did want to argue that sirius' height makes a difference in the text, i'd say that sirius is tall because padfoot is also a large creature and there seems to be some kind of reflection of the human in animagus forms, whereas the whole werewolf thing is something inflicted externally rather than something that comes from within the person so remus' human height isn't reflected by his lycanthropy. but that's a whole other question i would have to research more.

#txtpst #fandom discourse #sirius black #remus lupin #height discourse #idk i will thank short sirius/tall remus ppl to just leave this alone ty :)

[jellybracelet]

why do i feel like sam winchester is 6'4 and jarpad is 6'5

#height discourse

[spindrifters]

right? like sirius being a little taller than average and then there’s remus who’s Huge

i can never decide if regulus would be taller or shorter than sirius though. i think it would be objectively funny if he’s taller but also i can’t picture him as anything other than about average height

honestly the objectively funniest scenario is if sirius is a tall man (6', let's say) but everyone around him is just somehow taller.

but to be honest I think regulus is One Inch taller, and it makes sirius so mad.

#ask box #height discourse

[300iqprower]

CAENEUS SHOULD BE TALLER GODAMNIT IM TIRED OF IT IM TIRED OF LOOKING AT HIS ASCENSION ART AND THINKING "MAN HE MUST BE 6'FUCK YOU TALL" ONLY TO FIND OUT HE'S FIVE FOOT SEVEN HES LITERALLY THE SAME HEIGHT AS ARJUNA WHICH IS EVEN HARDER TO COMPREHENDDDD

Wait what? How tall is Arjuna? How tall is Caeneus?!

google

174cm, which is..........................5'7". ...Are you kidding me? There is no fucking way that Caeneus is shorter than me! NOT IN ANY FUCKING TIMELINE.

#why why WHY WHY. WHY. WHY. WHY. W H Y . W H Y . W H Y . *W*H*Y*W*H*Y*W*H*Y* ***WHY***?! #GOD FUCK THIS GAME #fuck fgo #fgo #height discourse #like Arjuna that's just funny but also he's clearly drawn as a literal tall drink of water #like it isnt unfitting for him but the framing of his saint graph doesnt really convey that sense at all I always pinned him as 5'10 to 6 #MEANWHILE WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT WITH #caeneus #fgo caenis #THAT IS TOTALLY UNFITTING FOR HIM #and just like Lartoria they totally went out of their way to make his sprite obfuscate that BECAUSE IT WOULD GO AGAINST THE CHARACTER #never thought i'd get an ask

[impishtubist]

Do people actually care how tall your characters are in YOUR stories???!!!!

Weird.

LMAO so you weren't here for the death threats I got a few months ago, huh?

It's actually really not my stories that are the issue, which is funny. It's the headcanon posts that I shout into the void here on tumblr dot com. Apparently writing headcanons on my personal blog about how Sirius is a tank who could crush Remus with his thighs is a personal affront to some people. 🤷‍♀️

But don't worry, I plan to incorporate more of tank!Sirius into my upcoming stories to make people on AO3 mad as well. Keep an eye out for the upcoming Sirius/Charlie story in particular...

#height discourse #fandom wank #sirius black is massive and i will not hear a word against this #dragonstar

[greyeyedmonster-18]

not that i'm that tall (i'm around 5'3 or 5'4 i think??) but my son is tWELVE and he's suddenly towering over me?? he's somewhere around 5'9 and i love it when he hugs me

look, my bebe is almost 14 and he is *mumbling* basically 6ft and growing still and it should be a crime. he started this year smaller than me and now this??? unacceptable. what am i supposed to do?? (for legal reasons this is a joke, like most height related discourse, i dont actually care)

(an also, not to turn into mush, but it is such a special thing to witness someone grow and become more of themselves.)

#asks #grey answers #height discourse

[amorgansgal]

Uncle is 10 feet tall.

LMAO! The only height hc I will accept without question!

#rdr1 uncle #rdr2 uncle #height discourse #rdr2 #red dead redemption 2

[queerxqueen]

this fandom is so mean sometimes when it comes to even the most basic of fandom shit like. i get it, ST is relatively mainstream, a lot of yall have never been in fandoms before, but the stuff folks call out as "cringe" behavior (or worse) in fandom is quite literally stuff that has always been a part of fandom and always will. people cosplaying, kinning characters, shipping characters who have barely spoken in canon, going to nerdy conventions, overanalyzing every scene w/ ur fave character in it, crying over characters, writing fanfiction and making art of whatever the fuck you want since you're doing it for free and for fun... this is fandom culture. if you dont like it you don't have to engage with it and its so easy to block/not interact with content you don't like.

tldr; stop bullying fans for doing fan things.

#stranger things #byler #fandom #fandom discourse #discourse #yall wouldnt have survived the spn fandom and yall certainly wouldnt have survived tumblr 5 years ago #this is not about any One thing in particular its just about everything #have been noticing over the months and its tiring! #anyway eddie munson stans i dont understand you but i hope you're having a great day #eddie munson #steddie #this fandom makes me sad sometimes /gen #tldr if yall werent active during the height of superwholock i dont wanna hear you calling shit cringe #1k+

[incorrect-malfoys]

[at Black manor]

Narcissa, to Lucius: Oh look, the door post where Mother measured our heights

Narcissa: I was always half an inch taller than Bellatrix, not that it matters

Narcissa: But it does

#incorrect harry potter quotes #narcissa malfoy #lucius malfoy #bellatrix lestrange #source: liv and maddie #this is an invitation to have black sisters height discourse

[psychic-maiden]

Ok but now I just want a picture of ethos ACTUAL set up. Cause this cannot be real

#all the etho setup discourse has been making my day #like how???!?!!? #I can’t even work when my computer just a little too low #how is the desk at SHOLDER HEIGHT?!?! #etho #ethoslab #hermitcraft etho #hermitcraft season 10 #hermitcraft #hermitblr

[roostertuftart]

Whether or not you headcanon Kyle as tall or short physically Kyle is tall in Stick of Truth aus simply because he definitely wears heels. Hope this helps.

#This is a joke this is a joke this is a joke #you don’t have to make him tall or short wear heels or not wear heels #also plz don’t make it about Gen Kyle height discourse #kyle broflovski #stick of truth #South Park #kyle brovlofski #funny #elf king Kyle #me talking

[tumblezwei]

I think the worst thing so far that's come out of the whole jelloapocalypse situation is idiots who think that he tanked his career ~intentionally~ to whistleblow about localization companies being bad, and not because he wanted to go on a rant about how much he hates a fictional 15 year old girl and her author

#like it's so incredibly interesting how he heavily favors Otani but calls Risa ''an actual psychopath and all-over useless freak'' #like yeah man #that's definitely a normal thing to think #it's super makes sense to make fun of her insecurity about her height by comparing it to Tall Girl and then calling her a freak #and to say you actively headcanoned one of her close friends as secretly hating her #and then to make fun of her real world author by implying she's also a psychopath who doesn't understand human empathy! #you're such an ally!!!! #I want to kill you with hammers #discourse tag

[spindrifters]

i think even funnier is regulus not being taller than him, but having the effect that he is. sirius being gaslit by the world that he is smaller even tho he isnt. that image of the worst person you know just slayed (younger sibling)

nah, as a youngest sibling I have it on good authority that if he were at all taller, sirius would ride the Facts. he would not let them be denied.

#ask box #height discourse

[300iqprower]

I need someone to explain to me why in fffuck name Oberon is 174 cm???????? Also why Mozart sexy asf in Fate Req crossover the sex appeal he reeks works so well with his bastard personality goddamn

Honestly i think Oberon should be at LEAST a couple inches shorter but it’s not egregious. The only reason i’ll allow it though is cause it makes it that much easier to get art of him as Castoria’s dad grunkle.

Meanwhile, I cant believe I actually got quality mozart content from this event. I was dead certain this would be like how Medea was "technically" an event servant for Guda4. Or how Asterios was “technically” in the Circe Breakup Power Hour.

Also,

He's always been a sexy bastard man!!! People just decided to not pay attention to him at all until years later!!!!!!!

#READ TURAS REALTA #certified mozart enjoyer #okay maybe he’s9/9/10 but cut me some slack lores are hard and i grailed him to 70 #fucking BULLSHIT I DONT GET THIS AS A COSTUME THOUGH #fgo #fgo mozart #never thought i'd get an ask #or Pele ‘technically’ being in summer 3 NEVER FORGIVE NEVER FORGET #grunkle does not mean grand uncle it means legal guardian sleazy bastard person with a heart of gold #well. heart pf pyrite maybe. #fgo oberon #height discourse

[blood-starved-beast]

Nothing against people depicting Falin as fat (100% support it actually) in fanart but it does rub me the wrong way when people refer to Falin as how she is presented in canon as being "fat." Guys, we know her BMI is 24. She's in albeit the threshold for what is considered the "normal" weight range. She's got skinny arms. She's not fat in canon, far from it actually.

#Falin Touden #Dungeon Meshi #don't get me wrong I fully support fan reinterpretations that give her more body mass than in canon #but canon Falin is not fat #highly recommend looking into that one website that lets you look at pictures of people at different BMIs/weight per height #to see what and how weight looks like at different BMIs and heights #the Discourse #Fandom critical

[faintingheroine]

It is interesting that the adaptations and retellings lengthen the narration of Heathcliff and Catherine’s childhoods when it is kind of a mythic indescribable past in the book. Like the chapters concerning their childhood friendship before its breaking point (Chapters 4 and 5) spend more page-time on Hindley and Heathcliff’s rivalry and Cathy’s relationship to her father than on the relationship between Heathcliff and Cathy. (And this makes Watsonian sense too as the narrator is Nelly who was a young girl back then).

And of course, adaptations and retellings shorten the narration of the entire second half of the novel (if they even include it) when this is the most detailed, prosaic, novelistic part of the book.

I did talk a bit about this before too.

#wuthering heights #second half discourse #the second half discourse