#he's so manly

[kimdokja-real]

you have probably talked about this before considering your blog name and everything but since I'm reading orv I found it so funny and kinda on theme that it seems like Uriel agrees that KDJ tops.

like in chapter 149 episode 29 constellation banquet when talking about how him being a eunuch would be a problem unless "perhaps his position changes". implying yknow.

anyways yeah this is kinda random but in story Top!KDJ

Yeah I talked about it before and Uriel definitely agrees Kim Dokja Tops! I made a whole list of why Yoo Joonghyuk being Bottom is canon according to the novel. It was my first post. Okay but you know what's funnier? Look at this.

[There is a place you have to go.] '…Where?' [Ah, I will help you get there. I'll prepare it right away!] I had a rough idea of where I was going. Based on how nervous Youngki was, the pressure from the constellations must be considerable. Eh? It felt like my body was collapsing and being reborn. It wasn't resurrection. It was closer to the soul forming a body. It was a state like a floating ghost but it was temporary. [Umm. This is an important meeting…] A shirt and suit covered the soul body that didn't have any genitalia.

The texture of the cloth felt like it had been created for me. [Stories are shining in the distant night sky.] [The constellation banquet is currently being held.] [The constellation 'Queen of the Darkest Spring' has invited you to the constellation banquet.] The constellation banquet.

I read the latest manhwa chapter and saw Kim Dokja looking cool and masculine in a suit and blazer, so i went to read the novel to see which part it was, and I really didn't expect to see something like this.

Okay look at this again!

A shirt and suit covered the soul body that didn't have any genitalia. Kim Dokja, 147: Ep. 29 - Constellation Banquet, II

??? At first I was like ??? Kim Dokja why did you even have to mention that? So strange.

Then I realized what that meant. That meant Kim Dokja was already an eunuch, LOL.

So when he jumped up on the stage and held Yoo Joonghyuk's hand high in the air, our beloved top didn't have his cock.

When Kim Dokja was on stage and held Yoo Joonghyuk's hand high in the air, Kim Dokja didn't have his cock.

This ruined it for me at first! Like it's a bit strange to imagine Kim Dokja without any genitalia Kim Dokja without his cock standing with Yoo Joonghyuk on the stage and holding his hand because that's really the DokHyuk/DokJoong moment, damn it! And some people said it was like a gay coming out moment. (But Kim Dokja literally doesn't have his male body part his cock???)

I was like a bit disappointed and why did the author include that lol but then I realized, it means Kim Dokja is so dominant and such a Top that he's able to jump up on stage and hold Yoo Joonghyuk's hand high in the air dominantly literally without his cock.

okay on another added more general note, about Kim Dokja's character, Kim Dokja is so confident that he's able to declare a nebula with Yoo Joonghyuk and face the protagonist of Ways of Survival and all the constellations without his cock, his male part. Kim Dokja is just acting confidently as always without his male part! I just found that, so...Kim Dokja.

Of course no one including Yoo Joonghyuk knows except Kim Dokja, but Kim Dokja doesn't give a shit.

Like this man's masculinity and confidence isn't even limited to his genitals, what a fucking man Kim Dokja is.

Ok about Uriel

"You are here to offer me the Messiah's Path?" […Ah, right! I came because of it!] Uriel raised her head with surprise. It was an expression that showed she didn't remember why she came here. It seemed she was quite pleased to meet me. [It must be because you are too handsome.] "Your words are convincing." Uriel smiled and said. [Kim Dokja, will you accept Eden's story?] "That… I need to think a bit." [Why? Our story is the best! It isn't comparable to other places!] This was certainly true. The Messiah's Path was the best story in the resurrection system. There was one problem. "I will lose something precious if I accept that story." [Eh? Ah. T-That's right. If you choose our story, you'll become an eunuch…That can't be.] I expected to be persuaded but unexpectedly, Uriel shook with agitation. Was it such a big deal for Uriel that I would become an eunuch? Why? [W-What to do? If I don't bring Kim Dokja to Metatron, he won't let me use the Internet for a month… but if he accepts, Kim Dokja will become an eunuch… when that happens… oh, wait a minute. Perhaps if his position changes…?] …What position? [O-Okay! Kim Dokja! Don't worry too much about this problem. One way or another…!] Uriel seemed to be filled with great determination on her own. I firmly shook my head. "I don't want it." [Yes! It is okay if you are an eunuch…!] "Next."

Alright first, yes Kim Dokja is handsome! Everyone calling him pretty with a slim waist, good thing he's gonna enhance his body in the future. I know he's pretty too like in the manhwa, but Yoo Joonghyuk isn't the only handsome one, Kim Dokja is handsome too. Kim Dokja can be both pretty and handsome.

So Uriel who thought Kim Dokja was Top thought his position needed to change, that Kim Dokja needed to be bottom if he became an eunuch and lost his cock, but I just laugh cause that already happened for some reason temporary of course and Kim Dokja still jumped up on the stage and dominantly held Yoo Joonghyuk's hand up high in the air like a perfect Top!

I jumped up towards the stage. I grabbed the confused Yoo Joonghyuk's hand and raised it high into the sky. "I have something to say to you." I said while looking at the audience. The constellations looked astonished. I was able to see Uriel's expression, who seemed on the verge of fainting.

And yeah it was so dominant and Top behavior Uriel who knows Kim Dokja Tops was on the verge of fainting lol

Kim Dokja still acted like a dominant Top when he was an eunuch without his cock.

So maybe Kim Dokja is such a dominant Top even him becoming an eunuch and losing his cock wouldn't make him bottom, he'd just use a toy to penetrate Yoo Joonghyuk instead.

But of course Kim Dokja rejected it because he doesn't want to lose his cock lol.

I don't know, Kim Dokja is just such a man.

#he's so manly #kim dokja is so manly #kim dokja is so masculine #ask #he doesn't give a damn doesn't feel awkward or anything even though his soul body didn't have his cock #he's just being masculine and confident as always #kim dokja is wildly confident #kim dokja #yoo joonghyuk #dokhyuk #joongdok #dokjoong #orv #omniscient reader's viewpoint

[the-strawberryfarmer]

and I love them for it

#god of war ragnarok #god of war #memes #fanart #art #Kratos #Atreus #wholesome #GOW #Spoilers #the reunion scene lives in my head rent free #honestly like I’ll always think about it #and cherish it #I love how Atreus has this manly resolve to confront his father #but once he’s in front of him again he just breaks down and runs to hug him #they love each other so much #ugh

[naorende]

#li yifeng #he's so manly

[the-woman-upstairs]

In the universe of the film, there is ABSOLUTELY a contingent of fans that fervently ship Argylle/Wyatt and have the dominant ship on AO3 and trade elaborate fan theories about their hidden relationship and are convinced they’re meant to be endgame but the publishers won’t allow it. Of course, they go totally BALLISTIC when they learn they’re based on the author and her boyfriend.

#argylle #argylle spoilers #my only real complaint with argylle is that we were robbed of a henry cavill/john cena kiss #there’s so much fun to be had with the universe of this film especially in regards to the book fandom #i like to believe aidan stirs up ship drama on fandom forums and social media #the minute rachel’s spy past gets declassified it’s OVER for her in fandom lol #i can appreciate not everyone being into the film’s bait and switch #but i can’t help but love a spy film that lets the female lead be a whole women struggling to define herself #while also kicking ass and having a sweet goofy guy be head over heels for her #this really is the kind of movie that fandom could have soooo much fun with #don’t even get me started on elly/rachel projecting all of her badass spy escapades on a super manly fit dude #like if he’s done everything she’s done…girl memory-holed her own bisexuality lol

[hotchbabygirl]

✨ thinking about hotch hairy hands ✨

#his hands are so sexy to me #so manlyyy #so biiig #i love manly men i love aaron hotchner #can he put his fingers in my mouth? pls???🥺🥺🥺 #aaron hotchner #thomas gibson #hotch #criminal minds

[freckleslikestars]

Favourite X-FILES Episode Countdown {19/24} | Darkness Falls

#txf #x files #msr #the x files #txfedit #my gifs #xf gifs #birthdaycountdown #GA gifs #rugged manly men in the full bloom of their manhood #“what am I looking for?” “anything strange unexplainable unlikely...a boyfriend? #that's a lot of flannel to be choking down even for bigfoot #come on scully it will be a nice trip to the forest #i mean that first scene just has so many good lines #also the episode with her spectactular coat #and there are also so many scenes where he just...gazes at her in this ep #like what's not to love

[canisalbus]

you say machete has to be closeted then why's he always wearing them little heels

Maybe he thinks he's a tiny bit nicer looking in them.

#no in fact he's just a little ahead of the curve let me try to explain #again I'm not a historian I'm just sharing what I've read I might be misremembering stuff so don't quote me on this #high heels became extremely fashionable in the early 1600's probably just a few decades after Machete's time #and they were originally worn by men #because they were inspired by Persian riding boots #if your shoes had heels you'd have easier time keeping your feet in the stirrups (think of cowboy boots) #Europeans saw them thought they looked snazzy and they became wildly popular in noble circles fairly quickly #for some hundred years or so high heels were the epitome of class wealth power and status and they were essentially genderless #remember that concepts of masculinity and femininity are fluid and change over time #things that were seen as manly a few centuries ago may seem downright effeminate to a modern viewer #it's all matter of perspective neither is objectively more correct than the other #they started to separate into men's heels and women's heels around mid 1700's iirc but the changes weren't massive even then #and only truly went out of vogue when the French Revolution hit in 1789 #and people all across the continent were suddenly put off by everything that reminded them #of the frivolousness and extravagance of royalty and aristicracy #so in his canon timeline I don't think people are looking at him and going “hmmm that's pretty gay” #because heels hadn't become gendered yet #maybe he likes how they accentuate his already tiny paws and make his legs look even longer than they are #he's interested in fashion or at least likes to dress nicely in high quality garments #he tries very hard to look his best despite never really feeling comfortable in his skin #he was a real shrimp as a kid and even though he eventually grew up to be a beanpole he might still find the extra height appealing #no one's going to look down on him ever again #I admit the way I draw them is a lot more modern than the true historical style at the time but not outrageously so #artistic freedom and all that in the end I'm not aiming for 100% accuracy #modern au Machete has no excuses though he's just a little bit fruity #if the guy feels empowered by wearing little clip cloppers let him #answered #anonymous #Machete

[sorrelpaws]

talking about work drama

#fight club #the narrator #tyler durden #soapshipping #also idgaf what anyone says narrator is taller #yes its because edward norton is taller #but also if you want to be pretentious with me for a moment i think it also helps to solidify tylers... unconventional(?) masculinity #like the way tyler wears his slutty little outfits and slaps his friends ass and is like 3 cm shorter than the narrator but hes still #much more 'manly' #umm its i guess the irony of it all??? that tyler still manages to exude so much masculinity purely through his personality #im just saying words actually. i dont know what the point is

[highseas-swede]

...I seriously cannot stress how much I hate tags like "Give us BAMF Aziraphale" because it seems to imply that he's not badass.

He IS. Tell me how well most people could endure 6000 years of consistent, persistent demoralization, harassment and shitty treatment without snapping?

Do you know how HARD it is to be kind when you've been put through a system that actively discourages kindness and softness, a system that tries to beat it out of you - not physically, but still. The fact that Aziraphale got through all of that and is not just still kind, but still has the capacity to be kind to the very people who hurt him, is fucking remarkable.

Aziraphale is badass. Period. Full Stop.

It's well past time that we stopped equating physical and fighting prowess as a measure of badassery. Just about anyone can exercise and get strong enough to fight someone. Just about anyone could possibly get weapons training. Neither of these things is half as brave as putting yourself in front of a crowd of people and holding off 70 demons with just conviction and a candleholder because it's the RIGHT THING TO DO.

EDIT: I had to add this while I was thinking of it.

I feel like people are buying into Heaven's version of badassery. Angels were made to FIGHT. To fight the last big battle against demons and Hell.

Aziraphale is a deviation because he DOES NOT WANT THAT. He doesn't want to fight a war that will hurt billions and destroy the world. His defining moment in Season 1 is when he stands in the face of the quartermaster and refuses to fight the way they want him to. Instead of a weapon, he chooses to find another way.

If anything, I would think it's leading to the idea that Aziraphale feels he must fight, that he has no choice, and then, when it comes right down to it, finding another way. A kinder way. A BETTER way.

By the standards of Heaven, Aziraphale picking up his sword and fighting would be Normal. Him refusing and finding another way is what makes him Unique. THAT'S what makes him badass.

#Aziraphale is already a BAMF #miss me with these takes about how Aziraphale needs to toughen up #aziraphale #good omens #good omens meta #bamf aziraphale #I hate that tag #I hate it because it's only ever used for “Aziraphale beats people up with a sword” and never used for Aziraphale as he is #...also on a personal note #I hate bearded “manly” Aziraphale with a passion #why do people just want to make him more masculine? #Seriously wtf #Masculinity and badassery do not go hand in hand that's a very toxic masculinity rooted idea right there. #the one exception I would see is if they channeled Mrs Robinson a bit and kept the femme quality that makes him so delightful. #i mean obviously do what you want in fandom but people have literally been asking Neil to give Aziraphale a beard #Neil's response was that he wasn't going to do something because fandom asked for it but it's so rude to try and force it

[seagull-scribbles]

And you think that makes you unique?

#hazbin hotel #huskerdust #angle dust #husk #hh husk #sketch #quick 5 minute thing before bed #I love drawing hands I’m so sorry they’re so expressive #and I have a big piece I want to do with lots of hands one day but I got some requests and obligations first so I did this instead #I love how husk has big callused gallon hands that are like for a big rough manly guy but he has heart palms #and I love that Angel was small thin delicate hands that end in points like a rose with thorns

[jaylaxies]

if im insane then he’s the reason

#OH ILL GET YOU ONE DAY JAY #he’s so pretty #so manly #like #that’s the face of someone who’d give the world to you #kinda need him to ruin the fuck out of me #please #my baby daddy actually #🩵 — jongseongie loml!

[silverirony]

i love how this fandom clings to this idea that arthur has "the calculating demeanor of someone not to fuck with" bc frankly I think he's just a wet cat with a resting bitch face and the only reason john said this was to manipulate him. and arthur can't let it go bc it's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to him and also because he really wants to believe it

#one time john was like 'ooh orthur youre so strong and manly and dangerous' #and now b4 every arc arthur asks 'john am i still that bitch? do you still think i could kill a god?' #and john has to give him the whole pep talk all over again #i feel like john telling arthur that he looks like hes '90 pounds sopping wet' is much closer to reality #thats my take sdjdks #malevolent #ew.txt

[palskippah]

Hi! You saw preg Bowuigi, but may I present to you… preg Mareach ✨

The thought won't leave my mind after I mindlessly drew Mario asking Luigi how is it to be pregnant and then it escalated from there 😔

So! Here's some headcanons (that you can find too in the drawings) for this:

Edit! I deleted the suggestive-y ideas to make it more all viewers-friendly, sorry!

-Mario and Luigi's mamma and uncle are twins, so they have this 'twin gene', and it just so happens that Mario got twins first try and Luigi didn’t.

-Mario has thoughts when seeing his bro expecting, he develops a serious case of baby fever that he refuses to tell anyone about. Like he catches himself thinking about him and Peach expecting and her acting in the overly attentive way that Bowser does, or thinking of a tiny blonde baby with a button nose and blue-sky eyes. He feels a bit guilty about these thoughts.

-Luigi eventually pries the information out of Mario and tries to convince him to talk to Peach about it, that she’d be understanding even if she doesn’t like the idea. Mario’s stubborn and just doesn’t and feels bad for wanting a baby too just because his bro is going to have one.

-To Mario’s surprise (and relief) it’s Peach who mentions the idea of having children (he feels a bit embarrassed that she easily used the exact words he scolded himself for: “I want a baby”), so they shyly entertain the idea.  And they decide they'd like to be parents in the future.

-When Magma (that's the Bowuigi baby's name!) grows and gets to the toddler stage, Mario finally decides that they could start trying.

-(Corny and I pulled this from Deadpool 2 but) He gives the 'green light' to Peach as a sort of anniversary gift and she's so happy she jumps in place and holds him to her chest and rambles about what to name the baby and how they'd look and what they'll do together and– Mario jokingly reminds her that first she's gotta put a baby in him for that to happen.

-Luigi is really excited when Mario and Peach tell him that they’re expecting. He hugs them both and says he can’t wait to finally be an uncle, and that they’ll be great parents.

-Luigi spoils his bro the same way Mario did with him when he was expecting Magma, like baking him treats and his favorite foods whenever they’re at their house and overall being a very good bro.

-Soon Peach arranges a room to make a nursery and plans how it’ll be.

-When they discover it's twins she makes arrangements again to adapt it for two babies, assigning a color to each baby’s things, because she thinks that Mario and Luigi having their signature colors is adorable.

-When they’re back from the doctor after discovering they’ll have twins, they’re both happily thinking about two children. Peach of snuggly wrapped little babies with round noses and brunette hair, and Mario for some reason thinks of two blonde toddlers with matching hats and blue overalls.

-Mario's belly looks big soon and Peach is over the moon because he's so round and handsome.

-He's so shaped.

-Due to almost all of the Mushroom Kingdom citizens being small Mario often loses sight of them, especially when talking to toads. They love to stand close and right in front of him, even if Mario tells them to stand at his side so he can see them. Mario's pretty sure not even the toads can see him over his belly and yet they don't listen.

-Mario lives at Peach's castle but he and Luigi still kinda often stay at their own little house at the outskirts of Toad Town. Luigi sometimes goes by himself or brings some of his children. They like to have some kind of peace apart from their families and the royalness of it all. (Thinking about the fact that Bowser went on a vacation by himself as Junior said once in a game sjdks)

-Peach is very excited for the babies and she always asks for permission to caress his belly and to hold it and to kiss it. She talks a lot to the babies too, even at times holding very long one-sided conversations with them while Mario listens in with an absolutely besotted smile.

-Many nights, when Mario's sprawled on his side with his arms in weird positions and snoring away and Peach's at his back holding him, she mumbles on and on sweet words to her children and her boyfriend, and holds Mario closely.

-Ever since they know he's expecting, Peach randomly suggests baby names to Mario, who shakes his head or actually explains why he doesn't like them. She suggests one day a couple of names just for funsies and to her surprise Mario loves them.

-Peach leaves their bed very early to focus on her royal duties all morning, while Mario's asleep almost until midday surrounded by an insane amount of red and pink pillows.

-Peach eats red power up mushrooms to be able to easily carry Mario around when he gets too tired, that way she doesn't get tired either.

-Late on Mario gets the 'pregnancy brain', he forgets things and sometimes does stupid stuff. Once at their house he dropped a fork, and since it never crossed his mind to ask for help or pick another one from the kitchen cabinet, he ended up stuck in a crouch when trying to reach it, yelling for Luigi to come help him up.

-Donkey Kong and Mario are mean besties, and DK often teases Mario and vice versa. Like DK purposefully drops something and asks in a faux nice voice for Mario to pick it up for him, then does the laugh™ as Mario stares at him unamused.

-DK used to (gently) push Mario to sit in soft furniture and laugh at him for getting stuck. Mario would sulk and cross his arms over his belly until the stupid monkey dignified himself to help him up. Until DK did it one day that Mario had been particularly tired about the pregnancy, and besides the usual reaction he also got misty-eyed and his lower lip wobbled. DK freaked out and couldn't figure out how to console him as Mario silently cried. Peach almost obliterated DK on the spot when she caught them.

-Since then DK isn't as mean with Mario until the babies are born weeks later. Also, he's a bit terrified of Peach now.

-Magma, who's still a toddler, often asks her uncle-mama when the babies are going to come out of his belly so she can meet them.

-They have twin girls! They're identical when they're babies and kids but when they grow older they have more noticiable differences (like height, same as Mario and Luigi and their mom and uncle)

-They’re Nettarina and Mariella. Sadly I don’t care how silly the names are, I like them and so does Mario aksjdksajd

-Mario has strong genes so their babies look a lot more like him than Peach (who’s glad, because she wanted to have two mini Marios!), although he hoped they’d look more like her.

-Mario is already fat and he gets even fatter with the pregnancy.

-The girls (and Magma too) speak fluent italian and english.

And that’s what I have so far! I know i missed some characters that I could have mentioned like Daisy or Toad and others, but maybe I’ll think of them too for another post c:

I hope you liked them, and if you have any other ideas or headcanons feel free to share them, I’d love to know!

#super mario bros #mareach #Princess Peach #princess toadstool #Mario #mario mario #mpreg #fankids #my art #the expecting the baby stuff feels more sweet because none of them have children of their own apart from the nieces and nephews from- #-Luigi's side of the family akldlsadkd #MAREACH T4T!! #because who would name their baby Mario Mario #He chose that name because it'd be hilarious #also Peach named herself after her favorite fruit idc #Mario also means manly so there's that #I just love Mario he's so small and for what #THANKS TO THE PERSON THAT SUGGESTED MAGMA IT'S CUTE #AND THE NAME SERAFINA TOO THANK YOU! #<333 #Also the name's Magma Serafina bc I couldn't decide which #some people call them Magma and others Fini and other Sera... #She likes to have many names #Magma has she/they pronouns hehe #the girls look so inconsistent aksdaskdals #sorry I'll decide how to officially draw them at some point jsjs #btw Mariella's the green one and Nettarina's the pink one #I've drawn preg Luigi too but I can't find the motivation to color the drawings akdskad apologies :'y #I love the image of yoshi's island where the parents are holding baby Mario and baby Luigi only with their hands

[ms-all-sunday]

okay preemptive media anaylsis of the robin goodbye scene. (paused just as it started)

this scene had to be sanji because of the skypeia flower action, because this arc is about mentally ill people and those that love them and sanji truly does fucking love robin. the reason it hits with sanji specifically is he occupies a level of "not manly" due to his relationships with women and wearing his own heart on his sleeve that he can be nothing but genuine, and there's an assumed naivety to that, (to some degree there is) but robin herself believes him (unlike nami) that isn't the problem here.

robin must face sanji (someone who does not hide his emotions when it comes to her) to face what she's going to do. much like the usopp "i should leave the crew" moment, it's the point of no return coming from a want to punish herself. one of my favourite things about sanji as a character, is his ability to show love in ways that are completely nontraditional for men, and he screams after her. it had to be him because he is emotionally intelligent enough to identify that loss and hurt in ways that any other character (besides nami) wouldn't be able to express in the same way. she must face unconditional love and reject it based on her own belief that she is unlovable.

theres the water river flowing between them and as sanji crosses it its too late

#w7 watch #op #one piece #nico robin #blackleg sanji #by the way sanji saying pirates are false accused of crimes all the time is some casual worldbuilding that goes hard #like its not his emotional intellegence its that combined with the fact hes so easy to read and wears his heart on his sleeve that makes #the scene so painful. he must represent all of their love expressed without any restriction #its one of the best representations of how sanji completely doesnt care about how he seems manly or not when push comes to shove and when #hes under pressure theres no keeping up appearances and hes all heart. which is a good character to juxtapose to robin

[chirpsythismorning]

Fun fact: In the original pitch for Stranger Things, El had a little brother.

After being rejected by almost 20 studios for the Montauk pilot, the Duffers were finally green-lit by Netflix. It was at this time that they began casting and then writing the first season officially, which included reworking a lot of that first episode.

This led to the removal of the brother reference, and with it, removing any sort of arc El could have had about her apparent brother.

But the thing about this moment, is that it might not have been scrapped entirely...

Going into the final season, no one can explain why or how El recognized Will back in 1x02. And while there are plenty of things on the show that are left unexplained, with a small portion likely left that way with the intention to uncover it later, what sets this moment apart from the rest is that there are very few possibilities here.

Because for starters, the story presents El's ability to see people in the void in s1 as requiring either a picture of that person for reference, or having met that person before.

But when El see's this picture of Will, she's never met him before. Or maybe she has, but we wouldn't know because they never showed us. They could have just not done this scene at all, given that it's clearly a copy/paste/edit of something scrapped from the pitch. Or they could have even still included it, but explained it.

One explanation could be that the lab had shown El a picture of Will before, similar to what they did with the Russian agent they wanted to spy on. But then that begs to question, why would the lab show El a picture of Will? Why would they want to see what he was doing? That alone is incriminating in and of itself, implying that Will is more connected to the lab than we realize.

The only other, and frankly most likely explanation, would be that El stumbled across Will at some point on her journey between escaping the lab and Will going missing. This is actually something that happens in The Other Side comic, which explores all the things Will may have experienced during his time in the Upside Down.

Though it’s worth noting the comics aren’t technically canon, and I highly doubt they would outright spoil everything in relation to Will’s time there, years before it was intended to be revealed. But still, let's humor this for a moment given that I do think Will's time in the UD is going to be very relevant in s5, which means it's highly likely they will finally address how exactly El saw him.

Basically, in the comic, Will see’s El walking through the woods, almost apparition like, glowing as she passes by, while also sporting the Benny’s burgers shirt. This means they would have crossed passed within a short span of time, between when El escaped Benny’s when the agents arrived, but before she was found by the boys.

Though it’s worth noting that we’re seeing this all from Will’s perspective. This means from the UD, Will was capable of seeing El on the other side, despite them being on different sides. And not only that, but she also looks back at him.

What confuses me about this, is that it doesn’t make sense for El to be in the woods, only to randomly decide to pop in to the void for a moment. She was trying to escape the lab and everything that came with it. I doubt she had any desire to lurk back there for some reason, not until someone encouraged her to. Not to mention, it would make no sense for her to go there and see Will if she wasn't even looking for him in the first place. And so this would mean Will and El could see each other, with Will being in the UD, and El being on the other side.

While it does seem pretty far off, given that you would think Will and El wouldn't be able to see each other from different sides, it is true in the story that El not only recognizes Will, but knows that he is in danger. She mentions that he is hiding specifically.

Which means she has likely seen him within the last 24 hours regardless.

This, in combination with Will being able to respond to El in the void at the end of the season in Castle Byers, when no one else outside of Terry and flayed-Billy have been able to, seems to imply that there is indeed something special about Will that makes him capable of communicating with El from the UD. Not only that, but El also seems to have an ability to be in this constant knowing state of how Will is doing, without even checking again to confirm. She's just certain of it. And she seems terrified about it.

Going forward, El never uses a picture of Will to find him. She never did. And more often than not, they don’t show us what she see’s either, not until the very end. And that’s the moment they reveal that he was able to communicate with her.

Again, there was really no reason to have El recognize Will. If anything it complicates things. But the fact that they chose to introduce this concept, with a scene from the original pitch that was related to El’s younger brother, with her pointing at his name cryptically, startling Benny, only to revamp it and have El not say anything at all while pointing at the picture of Will, startling Mike… It just really makes you stop and think.

Which brings me to the other aspect of this that might have people doubting, which is that El’s brother was originally younger than her.

We know Will is not younger than El, so how could this apply to him?

Well, it might be helpful to consider that in the original script, El was actually 10 years old, while the boys were always 12. Meaning that for some reason, they decided to age her up to the age of the boys, aka the same age as Will…

Ever since @erikiara80 shared this brother discovery with me, I have been sort of reeling. It then led to other little discoveries of changes they made between Montauk and Stranger Things.

It’s important to understand that the Montauk bible and the original script precedes what we ended up with in the final product, with it finally changing and evolving months, maybe even a year since that original vision. Even casting occurred before writing started for the first season. We know this because casting announcements were made in June and August of 2015, with writing not starting until August going into early 2016, simultaneously while they were filming.

And believe it or not, what I've discovered is that a lot of the changes they made between their original plans and what we see in the final product, have to do with not only Willel, but also Byler.

If you've read the original script for Montauk, you'll know that Mike's crush on Jennifer Hayes was focused on right from the jump, along with the birthmark on his face being focused on, which was the main cause of the bullying he experienced.

This has actually been talked about recently, and some of the claims people make do fit with what I am genuinely starting to consider here, which is that the initial plan for what makes Mike an outcast shifted.

I think when they completed casting, and started actually deep diving into what they wanted this world to look like, both from a short-term and long-term standpoint, they were presented with some pretty interesting discoveries, arguably already hiding in their initial plans without realizing it.

And this is where it sort of becomes a 'chicken or the egg' situation. Because which one came first? Byler or Willel?

I can't say for certain, because obviously this is all just speculation. But in the case that Willel came first, I think Byler would come very naturally after that.

The Duffers themselves are twins. Then they hire Noah, who is a twin. Then they're thinking and planning for El's past and how her family all fits into this, and they're thinking... wait a damn minute... We could totally Star Wars this bitch!

And then when they think it couldn't get any better, they uncover another layer that they hadn't planned or really considered in their initial plans.

While Will was always going to have sexual identity issues according to the Montauk bible, meaning that the writing process for him likely involved sitting down imagining scenarios that encapsulated this arc for Will from the beginning, they were simultaneously now finding very interesting aspects of Mike's character that made it hard not to at least consider the possiblity that Mike is not exactly straight.

Just think about it. The Byers and Wheelers are basically polar opposites on the spectrum of what a family looks like. While Will's discovery and acceptance of his queerness is interesting to explore because he comes from a low-income, single-mom household, all while having been bullied for years based on his perceived queerness, he also has a mother and brother constantly reinforcing that they will accept him no matter what. They've been sort of hitting us over the head with it for years, and so it wouldn't be very satisfying for his entire arc to merely lead up to something we've known all along. It's pretty much a given at this point.

On the other side of the spectrum, Mike comes from a more upper-middle class family at the end of a cul-de-sac, more aligned with what a nuclear family looks like. Mike's family is also presented as being more conservative, and while Karen does give that very queer-coded speech to Mike in s1 (I'm convinced they only wrote this after deciding to explore queer-coding more heavily with Mike), it also comes with comments from Ted and even still Karen that hint that they are probably not as open-minded and accepting as Will's family is to him. Which means Mike's arc would be a lot more about acceptance around him from his loved ones who we have been led to believe might not be as accepting of his queerness in contrast to Will.

And so as they're putting this story together, and they're being presented with something very interesting. Two similar experiences that play out in different ways because of the characters circumstances.

Will goes missing, and his twin sister with a buzzcut pops up and has the ability to help them find Will.

This leads to several moments where El is being compared to as not only a boy, but Will as well.

Now suddenly, their initial plans to have Mike's arc be about having a girl be interested in him and to hopefully have his first kiss and feel like less of a loser, starts to look a lot like what the experience a queer kid in his position might encounter growing up in the environment that he did.

And if you don't want to take my word for it, just hear the Duffer's themselves hinting at what they initially planned for Mike and the fact that it changed.

The changes don't stop there.

Believe it or not, 'It was a seven', did not exist in the initial pitch. When the boys went outside bickering over Nancy, they leave right after that.

Another thing that changed from the first script, was Scott Clarke's introduction:

And so you might be thinking, who cares? What does that have to do with anything?

Well, it's interesting because the line we end up with on the show is arguably one of the most on the nose Twelvegate proofs to date. Mind you, this is from the first episode:

Why chuck the original version, which was arguably more interesting and fascinating in terms of it hinting at the mysteriousness surrounding this story, only to replace it with him listing off tips about their upcoming test?

Well, I think it's the irony of it all. Here Mr. Clarke is practically telling us where to look to figure stuff out for ourselves what is going on, with all the kids filing out and ignoring him...

I relate to Scott a litttle too much in this shot here, any time I try to drop Willel evidence.

And the changes go on, as they obviously would.

Things like Terry Ives not even being El's mom, but actually a man who more so aligns with the characterization of Murray.

And one very interesting one I almost overlooked was in Hopper's introduction, where instead of a kids drawing done by who we assume to be Sarah, we actually see a picture on the wall of him and his wife and daughter... Interesting that they decided to switch it something that is a lot less definitive in presenting what Hopper's past looked like...

If you've made it this far, congratulations.

If you still think I'm out of my mind, just remember that El was going to have a brother in the original script, but they scrapped the scene and gave a near identical one to introduce her connection to Will instead 😘

#byler #stranger things #willel twins #twelvegate #montauk #as you can see #i am out of my mind #and i'm okay with that #i've spent the last couple months trying to make a video going over all the willel twin evidence #and i can't decide if it's even possible to do without going over an hour #like there is just so much shit that fits too perfectly into this family being ripped apart by mind control and time shenanigans #i hope to have it done soon #trying to make it less than 20 minutes #but it's probably going to end up being closer to an hour #especially with this stuff from the montauk pitch being added to the mix now #anyways #willel and byler are the curtain behind the curtain #if you are open to one of them #you are bound to stumble across the other #and they don't want that to happen #stay tuned for the inevitable twin imagery to continue in s5 related to willel leading up to the big reveal #bc it's arguably the most consistent thing about this damn show #and tbh this all just makes the queer-coding for mike in s1 a lot more concrete to me #them exploring will's queerness through his dad's expectations for him to do more 'manly' things like play baseball #and jonathan saying he shouldn't like things just bc people telll him he's supposed to #how they connect that narratively with the boys being at a baseball field when mike's being pressured about his supposed feelings for el #with the bullies showing up and literally being homophobic seconds later #the fact that jennifer hayes did in fact exist in the original pilot and was the girl mike had a crush on #only for them to scrap that and just make it about her having a crush on will... #never once introducing this idea of mike liking her...

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Having a Roman marathon on Youtube right now bc i miss him 😭

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