#episode: Crocoduel

[miraculouscontent]

People talk like Marinette is being ridiculous thinking that Luka doesn’t want to see her in “Crocoduel” due to “breaking his heart” from the unavoidable break-up and is avoiding him out of awkwardness.

Which, clearly, yeah. I mean, I can’t imagine where she’d get this idea that a guy would be upset with her and not want to see her because he feels rejected. I--

oh wait.

#((Adding to my ever growing list of ''things Marinette believes because of someone else and it screws her over.'')) #((I have many lists.)) #((Have a non-bible-related post just because we all need a break from it honestly.)) #category: salt #salt: chat noir #episode: Frozer #episode: Crocoduel #((Hey remember also that this would've all been solved before the episode even because)) #((if the advice that Sabine - MARINETTE'S mother - gave about not apologizing for feelings)) #((had been given to Marinette instead of Chat Goddamn Noir?))

[mc-lukanette]

Marinette gets a gramophone in “Miracle Queen” and Luka gets a record half a season later in “Crocoduel.”

I’m just sayin’.

#type: screenshots #episode: Miracle Queen #episode: Crocoduel #Flower Arrangement Shipping #Pro LukaMari #Lukanette #((I just think it's neat >u<))

[flightfoot]

#polls #miraculous ladybug

[miraculouslbcnreactions]

Consistent Lore? What's that?

How does destroying Adrien's amok work since it's two rings instead of one? It's actually impossible to know because the rules around separated akumas/amoks are all over the place.

Allow me to explain by going through how no two episodes treat this issue with the same logic.

Mega Leech

In this episode, Mayor Bourgeois gets akumatized and is given a leech sentimonster who makes him into a bunch of miniclones. In order to defeat him, they have to destroy every clone

Ladybug: The akumas and the amoks must have multiplied at the same time as the Malediktators, capturing just one doesn't solve the problem.

To defeat him, they have Polymouse clone herself. She then goes around destroying the Malediktator clones one at a time, releasing parts of the akuma/amok

(Polymouse slices his sash in half. They both leave Max's ear. Other Polymouse clones do the same to the Malediktator clones in Kim, Rose, Juleka's ears. Akumas and amoks get released from the sashes and Mini-Malediktators detransform into Mini-Mayor Bourgeois clones.)

The lore according to this episode: breaking part of an amok/akuma will release part of the feather/butterfly. But to truly destory the thing, you have to destroy all of the parts and you don't need to do it at the same time or in any special order.

Multiplication

In this episode, Tomoe is akumatized into Ikari Gozen and makes clones of herself via the mouse. Then this happens:

Cat Noir: We’re gonna have to break all twelve swords? Ladybug: No. It should only take one. She made identical copies of herself.

The lore according to this episode: if an akuma/amok's object is broken up, then you just have to destroy one part of the object and the feather/butterfly will be released. You do not need to destroy every part.

Crocoduel

In this episode, the akumatized object is a vinyl record that gets broken during the akumatization process.

As the akuma lands on the vinyl, the disc breaks in two, causing Anarka and Jagged to fall on the ground, now possessed by the akuma.

Which apparently means that you need to reassemble the record before you can destroy it.

(Purple Tigress joins Ladybug by Liberty and together, they break the broken halves of the vinyl, only with no akuma emerging from it.) Ladybug: Where's the akuma? ... Purple Tigress: The akuma entered these objects before they were torn and separated. Ladybug: Oh! (She uses her Lucky Vision, eyeing the tape roll and the broken pieces of the akumatized vinyl that she and Purple Tigress are holding, and Purple Tigress herself.) We broke them separately, so we should actually join them together to break them together again!

The lore according to this episode: if an akuma/amok's object is broken up, then you must gather all of the parts together, reform them into their original shape, and destroy them in a single act to release the feather/butterfly.

Gang of Secrets

This is a minor one, but I wanted to add it to the list because it's in the same vein and it's weird. In this episode, we see five people akumatized via one bracelet. Alya breaks free of the akuma, but the other four girls stay akumatized until the bracelet is broken. Once it's broken, they're all freed at once.

Every other instance of a person rejecting an akuma will see their rejection release the akuma.

The lore according to this episode: ???????????????????????

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@rainbow18 This is what I was trying to lay out in the comments for this post, but the character limit makes it messy, so I decided to just make a post instead because you kind of need to see it all laid out to get why I say the rules for the rings could be literally anything. Canon retcons how split up akumas/amoks work every time the concept comes up.

Destroying one of Adrien's rings could doom him or it could release only part of his feather or it could mean nothing because you have to put the rings into the form they were in when the amok was created in order to destroy it. Pick whichever one you like best or make up your own lore because who needs consistency and logic?

#ml writing salt #ml writing critical #the writing in this show is so good you guys!!! #Look how well they planned it all out!!! #Tolkien wishes he was this good.

[familyagrestefanblog]

Rewatching "Crocoduel" for the first time after a long while made me realize just how unneeded Tigresse Pourpre was in it. It was genuinely just a case of Ladybug giving her civilian friend a miraculous to make her feel better, acknowledged and empowered.

But the battle itself could have perfectly fine gone without Tigresse Pourpre. She had no purpose there. The excuse for why she was there was that for some reason Ladybug and Chat Noir pretended like their space power up don't exist so they can fly up in the sky to the ship and then later on when said ship is diving towards the ground Ladybug tells Tigresse to "hold them [Juleka's parents] at bay".

But for real, if the episode hadn't forced Ladybug and Chat Noir to NOT have their power up with them (or even acknowledge that they exist) it legitimately would have clear-cut been Marinette giving the Tiger miraculous out for no reason as a little treat for Juleka to feel better and feel inspired by.

And I'm sorry, but as much as I love Juleka as Tigresse Pourpre - and thank goodness Chat Noir was treated well in the episode, thats RARE - but that really isn't the purpose for why the miraculous should be given out. Just like that Penalteam disaster of 4 new miraculous holder bc Ladybug agreed to play soccer for a while instead of solving the damn akuma, cases like this inherently devalue the miraculous and it's sad that Marinette's leadership is sometimes written in a way where the miraculous aren't allowed to be treated like the important and valuable ancient artifacts they are; and the way Su-Han did call her out for it in "Ephemeral" but it wasnt allowed to be taken serious at all cause he's a man who yelled.

This isn't "Paris comes first", this was Ladybug unnecessarily giving a dangerous miraculous out like candy bc she couldn't seperate her civilian life from her hero work.

#ml spoilers #miraculous ladybug #miraculous #Ml Crocoduel

[princess-of-the-corner]

how many dads is that now? 4?

Marinette's grandpa (racist, did he even apologize? i can't remember).

Jagged Stone (i know he might be trying but he's still not spending time with Juleka if he was going to Brazil with his son who he paid more attention to anyways)

André Bourgeois (neglect, child abandonment, child kidnapping, abuse enabler)

Gabriel Agreste (abuser, terrorist, MAIN VILLAIN OF THE SHOW)

Like Rolland and Jagged at least owned up to their fuckups and are trying to be better.

The Brazil thing is debatable becuase tbh like. Jagged /did/ actually pay equal attention to Juleka previously in Crocoduel(which is really the only episode the three of them share after the dad reveal in Truth)

And that was circumstantial because they needed to get Luka out of Paris. Maybe they should've offered to let Juleka come along too, but I can't see her leaving either so I just assume it was an off-screen conversation.

But yeah Andre and Gabriel fucking GOD thogu

[asukiess]

hmmm.... I love marinette’s anxiety--more specifically how it’s portrayed--so much. there’s been so many write ups about her panic attacks, her spiraling, all of which can put it better than I can, but I was just rewatching Multiplication and she has a big thing about being “deserving” of love, too. she puts people she loves on a big tall pedestal, be it adrien, kagami (or luka in crocoduel, but I think that episode shows a similar albeit “uglier” side of her anxiety), and if she can’t meet her supposed expectations, then she’s not good enough for them. she avoids kagami and luka in their respective eps because she’s letting them down or hurting them and she hates it so much  - both times inadvertently hurting them more. I just think it’s so realistic to show the avoiding phone calls & situations, lying, etc. all due to your anxiety. I’m not saying that’s correct behavior, but I personally like to see this realistically portrayed. I don’t think it’s ever condoned in the show, and I think she rightfully is told by other people that what she’s doing is wrong. idk, I just really like it.

#I started this post to talk about the deserving of adrien line in multiplication but it's kind of a can of worms I think #and I am not very motivated to do ml analysis stuff #but the anxiety thing is something v personal and close to me #I think it hurts to see marinette act like that bc we hate doing it ourselves yeah #the avoidance thing is just chefs kiss imo #miraculous ladybug #ml perfection stays perfect

[clarkgriffon]

one gifset per episode → crocoduel

#miraculousladybugedit #miraculous ladybug #mledit #ml #mlseries #creations #purple tigress #juleka couffaine #i literally love her so much #i do not mourn most of the miraculous holders losing their miraculous #but i do mourn her

[heidi891]

Rewatching ML Season 4

Truth: Luka is fed up with Marinette lying to him. Ladybug is put under a truth spell and says that she appreciates Chat Noir’s courage, confidence and jokes. Chat Noir says he’s only that happy with her.

Lies: Marinette watches TV program about Adrien and says his life is awesome, even though sometimes he looks bored or sad. Adrigami scenes. Kagami wants to draw Adrien and says that neither his model poses nor Chat Noir pose is really him. She wants him to be more natural and vulnerable. A few times they almost kiss, but Adrien has to go to help Ladybug. Kagami is fed up with Adrien’s lies. More: Luka vs Adrien and Kagami vs Ladybug. Chat Noir sacrifices himself again.

Gang of Secrets: Ladybug and Chat Noir go to the cinema. Ladybug is frustrated with her love life and doesn’t want to talk about it neither with Chat Noir nor her friends. Marinette is fed up with lying and finally tells Alya that she’s Ladybug.

Mr Pigeon 72: Adrien brought Plagg a big bag full of cheese. He’s “lucky” his father is neglectful, otherwise he would take him to psychologist. Marinette, why are you so stupid (again). Adrien is turned into a pigeon. Adrien is so focused on Marinette that he hits his head when getting in the car.

Furious Fu: —

Sole Crusher: Hi, Zoé. Marinette is short with Chat Noir like Ladybug.

Queen Banana: Chloé wants to be a film star. Adrien wants her to apologise, but she refuses.

Guiltrip: Adrienette moment, Adrien makes googly eyes at Marinette. There’s a pink background, but it’s hard to say if it’s just Marinette who sees her friend this way—it looks like Adrien does too! He comforts Juleka. Chat Noir tries to kill himself. Adrien mocks Chloé.

Optigami: Marinette and Adrien are stuck together in the lift during Akuma attack and they almost reveal themselves.

Sentibubbler: —

Rocketear: Nino thinks Alya’s in love with Chat Noir. Nino tells Adrien that he and Alya are superheroes. Adrien is taken aback that Ladybug let them know their true identities and is worried that Ladybug doesn’t trust him. Nino says Ladybug thinks Chat Noir is disgusting. Adrien is sad during transformation.

Wishmaker: Adrien doesn’t know what he wants to do in the future and says he’s a model now just because his father asked told him to. Marinette and Luka notice Adrien is sad. Adrien again makes googly eyes at Marinette. Luka learns Ladybug and Chat Noir’s true identities. Adrien says that as a child he wanted only to fulfill his parents’ wishes.

Mega Leech: Adrien is shocked to see that his father lied to him about the advertisment. Gabriel treats Adrien’s image as his possession. Adrien is sad and angry. He takes Marinette’s hand during the protest. Chat Noir is possessed by the villain. Adrien notices Marinette is fascinated with the advertisment and isn’t sure what to make of it. Gabriel is angry at Adrien for joining the protest and sends him to his room, touching the wedding ring.

Simpleman: Adrien calls Marinette and asks her to fix a wing that he needs for a photo session. When I watched this for the first time, I thought he genuinely needed her help, but now I think he uses this as an excuse to see her (this isn’t his job to find somebody to fix the wing). Ladybug and Chat Noir almost give the villain their Miraculouses in exchange for sweets.

Dearest Family: Where did Gabriel get the amulet from? I guess my Disney+ has the wrong order of the episodes again. Tikki has an eating disorder. We can see a glimpse of her true form. Gabriel’s talking about destroying the old world and creating a new one, but I don’t think he’s the best source of information about how the wish works.

Crocoduel: Congratulations, Gabriel, Jagged Stone who abandoned his children for years is a better father than you. Chat Noir flirts with every new girl in the team.

Glaciator 2: Ladybug is angry at Chat Noir for his constant declarations of love and throws him in the garbage. Adrien decides to change. He’s sad and cries in the park. Marinette unsuccessfully tries to cheer him up. Gabriel almost sends an Akuma to Adrien, but when he notices it’s his son he stops the Akuma. Gabriel tries to talk to Adrien, but their conversation isn’t going anywhere. Chat Noir is destroying the billboards. How much cheese has he had to take with him? He doesn’t have any bag with him, does he have to go to a shop on every street? I love these Marichat scenes. I want to see Adrien being as sarcastic as Chat Noir here.

Hack-San: Marinette is in a hurry, but she should think about telling Chat Noir she’s leaving Paris. Chat Noir again feels that Ladybug doesn’t trust him. Sincere Ladynoir conversation.

Gabriel Agreste: Adrien brings ill Nathalie a meal and tries to talk to her about his problems. Adrien is compared to an imprisoned princess and Marinette—to a knight. Does Félix suspect that the wedding ring is Adrien’s Amok and try to protect him? Kagami and Félix don’t seem to like each other. Or this is how Félix reacts when he likes somebody. I thought Gabriel tried to kill Félix, but the Akuma goes to the fake wedding ring. OK, so this episode should be before Dearest Family. Félix is now sure that Gabriel created Senti-Gabriel and that he has the Peacock Miraculous.

Ephemeral: Gabriel’s touching his wedding ring when he’s telling Adrien to replace him at the conference. Su-Han tells Ladybug that she should know Chat Noir’s true identity. Marinette cannot believe that Chat Noir is really Adrien. It’s too early for the true reveal: Marinette needs to appreciate Chat Noir too. Marichat needs to happen. Again, neither the reveal nor Adrienette aren’t really problems, it’s the relationship between Adrien and Gabriel: Adrien loves him, but Gabriel is ready to hurt him to achieve his goal. Gabriel’s touching his wedding ring when he’s forcing Adrien to be Akumatised. More: The Reveal & Adrinette. OK, so the Kwamis confirm that the wish destroys the world and recreates it.

Psycomedian: The girls say there’s no love without friendship. Adrien again makes googly eyes at Marinette. Marinette, don’t listen to this clown. This time it’s Ladybug who falls victim to the villain and Chat Noir has to help her.

Qilin: —

Kuro Neko: Adrien feels left out by Ladybug. He gives up his ring and then changes his whole personality to be the Cat she wants him to be. But it’s not the Cat she needs. Plagg says Adrien can be serious around his father and Nathalie, so it’s sad that Ladybug wants him to be like that too. Ladybug says she knows Chat Noir very well while mistaking him for the Sentimonster. Plagg says Adrien is both Adrien and Chat Noir.

Penalteam: Adrien can’t play football.

Risk: Adrien says he doesn’t want to be a model and tells Lila he doesn’t want to listen to her lies. Gabriel wants to send Adrien away. Adrienette moment. Adrien says that it’s like an invisible force stopped him from telling his father he didn’t want to be a model. Félix says he wants to save Adrien.

Strike Back: Ladybug mistakes Félix for Adrien. If she knew Chat Noir’s true identity, she wouldn’t make that mistake. Or if Chat Noir intervened. Félix quietly says that he’s sorry and he betrays the heroes, but in the context of season 5 I can see he isn’t totally evil and selfish. Chat Noir stands by Ladybug and comforts her.

Previous: Rewatching ML Season 3

Next: ML Season 5

#miraculous ladybug #ml season 4 #luka couffaine #lukanette #chat noir #kagami tsuguri #adrigami #adrien agreste #sentiadrien #ml analysis #adrienette #marichat

[miracleandplagueau]

Could you say all the miraculous episodes you're removing? Since you already did this with season 1 episodes!

INHALES

In total, I would be removing 80+ episodes from the original canon out of original number (as for season 5, without specials) of 131. I can't give the exact number right now, but I think I have like 10?? my own episodes like Scarabella & Huli Jing 2-parter and Gigafan.

Darkblade, riposte, gamer, animan, the puppeteer, kung food, pixelator, princess fragrance, (santa claws), the collector, prime queen, robostus, frightning gale, troublemaker, frozer, catalyst, mayura, backwarder, weredad, chameleon, animaestro, bakerix, silencer, oblivio, all "part two's" (reflectdoll, stormy weather 2), oni chan, startrain, kwamibuster, feast, ikari gozen, timetagger, party crusher, chat blanc, felix, ladybug, christmaster, heart hunter, truth, lies, gang of secrets, furious fu, sole crusher, queen banana, guilttrip, crocoduel, optigami, sentibubbler, rocketear, mega leech, wishmaker, hack-chan, simpleman, dearest family, ephermal, gabriel agreste, psychomedian, kuro neko, penalteam, Quilin, Risk, Strikeback and all of the season 5 episodes

Uncertain about removal Includes world-building incombatible with MnP Nothing will force me to bring this shit back

#miraculous ladybug #miraculous lb #au #miraculous au #miracle and plague #miraculous ladybug au #answered

[miraculouscontent]

A semi-random thought that occurred to me today and a good example of why I will never go out of my way/seek out the arguments of love square stans:

Let’s talk about That Scene in “Truth” real quick with the Adrien pictures, and I mean seriously talk about it from both a writing perspective and in-universe. The simplified version is simply that it has nothing to do with the actual break-up and actually damages the argument of love square stans rather than helps, but I’ll explain in more detail.

Firstly, it’s an actual, literal fact that Adrien himself has nothing to do with the break-up between Marinette and Luka. If you were able to magically edit out the Adrien pictures from Marinette’s wall and all scenes/lines that mention him, nothing would change: we’d be watching an episode where Marinette tries to date Luka, is cut off at every chance due to Ladybug duties (which stress her out so much to the point of being even more forgetful than usual), he gets akumatized, they break up because they’re unable to have the honest relationship that both Marinette and Luka want, and Marinette sobs to herself in her room because she can’t date due to being Ladybug.

Any mentions of Adrien do nothing for the actual story, which brings me to my next point:

Both in-universe and narratively speaking, the show already makes it obvious before The Call happens that this is not just a Marinette problem, but a universe problem. The girls, Ziggy, Luka, and the girls again drag in Adrien to be the topic of discussion at different points in the stories without Marinette’s direct input. At no point during the episode does Marinette herself bring up Adrien without him being the topic first.

This tells us two things:

1 - Marinette’s problem with Adrien extends to other people bringing him up to her unnecessarily. The argument can’t be made that Marinette and only Marinette brought it on herself, because the fact that it’s a problem at all should dictate that the others should stop enabling it by bringing Adrien up.

2 - Marinette can and does have the capacity to not make things about Adrien, but the mention of him makes her lose all sense of self.

If the intent of mentioning Adrien is to imply that Marinette is using Luka as a replacement for him, that disregards what actually happens in the episode. In “Truth,” Marinette is near Adrien on two separate occasions (with Luka directly nearby) and doesn’t have a reaction to him, choosing instead to favor Luka. This contradicts The Call, which suddenly looks more like a moment of panic of her magically-reappearing Adrien wall than Marinette viewing Luka as an Adrien substitute. Marinette also gives Luka a gift specific to him, meaning she thought very much of him and what he would want.

While stans would argue the point that Marinette forgot her date with Luka, she clearly didn’t forget The Gift despite showing in later episode that she forgets virtually everything. This is even disregarding the fact that Marinette essentially tells the audience directly that her memory is shot because of her responsibilities (and any arguing beyond that is gaslighting people with horrible memories into thinking they don’t care about people simply because they’ve forgotten something important about them; S T O P).

A properly-written story would show more evidence to its case, such as Marinette seeing Adrien in place of Luka when they hang out, Marinette whispering Adrien’s name just before she and Luka (try to) kiss, Marinette giving Luka a gift she’d once intended for Adrien (but failed to give him), and Marinette admitting to herself at the end that she was settling for Luka. Not only do none of these things happen, but the show tells its audience in “Gang of Secrets” that Marinette fell for Luka and that she didn’t break up with him due to not liking him. The show, naturally, tries to retcon that in “Crocoduel,” but the retcon proves that they saw the “issue” and didn’t know how to fix it.

Stans will of course continue to argue then about The Call and all the supposed “pro love square implications” it has without realizing the very hole they’re digging themselves into. I mean, this is even going beyond the fact that they will repeatedly bash Marinette for her behavior concerning Adrien whilst they still ship the love square we have in canon.

Basically, everything in “Truth” is explained with one simple sentence: Marinette is obsessed with Adrien, but in love with Luka, and everyone mistakes Marinette being obsessed with being “in true love.”

Obsession takes over Marinette’s mind, her life, everything, and I’ve done whole posts about how thoroughly Marinette’s Adrien crush has ruined her life rather than made it better. Case in point, Marinette wouldn’t even be guardian in the first place had it not been for the Adrien obsession, meaning the Season 4 finale wouldn’t have happened.

Using The Call to prove Love Square Supremacy isn’t furthering their point, but rather shining a spotlight on the exact issue with the love square and why it should never have been endgame in the first place.

#((I know I said ''thought'' and then spat out an entire essay)) #((but that's just how I work okay?)) #category: salt #salt: fandom #salt: love square #episode: Truth #((Anyway my point in this post is basically to say that--like--)) #((arguments for the love square usually go bust pretty quickly)) #((because the arguments themselves only prove how poisonous the love square is for Marinette)) #((and even the writers do this in episodes like ''Desperada'')) #((where the girls talk about how healthy Lukanette is for Marinette)) #((and then in comes the ship that's SUPPOSED to be endgame)) #((and here's me like ''*visible confusion*'')) #((You don't spend 4 seasons keeping the love obsessive and then turn it into ''real'' love when it suits the plot.)) #((That's literally not how anything works.)) #((We've passed the halfway point meaning that over 50% of on-screen Adrienette was Marinette being slowly consumed by the celebrity crush)) #((and I have yet to see a valid reason why I should favor the crush that's ruined Marinette's life)) #((over the one that could only be broken up in canon by ''because Ladybug'')) #((as the writers failed to come up with a reason why their personalities clashed in a way that would prevent them from being together.))

[teamoon7]

Which episodes from canon are you removing from your AU?

Well... I have 2 main lists of episodes I want to remove:

Episodes I'm pretty sure (by now) I'm going to remove: Robustus (the implications of AIs being able to be akumatized is not something I want to work on), Gigantitan, Animaestro, Chris Master, Oblivio, Gamer 2.0 (I really like the akuma dynamic but I don't want to use the same akuma again for most cases), Stormy Weather 2, Time Tagger (definitely no time travel here), Puppeteer 2, Party Crasher, Oblivio, Efemeral, Chat Blanc (I also don't want to do what if episodes. But I really like chat blanc's concept, so I'm still unsure about adding him somewhere else or not), Sole crusher, queen banana, hack-san, simpleman, dearest family, penalteam, Evolution, determination and revolution (And basically every special like NY etc)

Episodes I'm still unsure about removing or not: Copycat, Animam (I'll likely remove these 2), the pharaoh, horrificator, guitar villain, pixelator, princess fragrance, glaciator (I just hate Andre too much...), frozer, bakerix, reflekdoll, startrain, kwami buster, feast, ladybug, heart hunter and miracle queen, Mr pigeon 72, furious Fu, mega leech, guiltrip, crocoduel, glaciator 2, qilin, juro neko, and most of season 3 (except for destruction, passion, exaltation, kwamis choice and emotion)

BUT, tbh, not only those lists can change VERY much, but that also doesn't mean that I'm going to delete the whole plot of those episodes. The thing is:

1- There are many episodes that I'm going to keep the basic premise, but change most of the stuff that happens in them (for example: I plan to keep the episode "Kung food", but only the premise of "marinette's uncle gets akumatized because of a chef competition". Everything else that happens- such as Chloe being the judge- will likely change to a different plot). That means that many episodes that I plan to "remove" are just going to be given new plotlines to their basic premises. The opposite is also true- maybe there's a specific plot that happens in the episode (that isn't necessarily part of the "main plot"- or at least of what occupies most part of the episode, like the akuma) that I want to keep, BUT since the rest is either not interesting to me or simply wouldn't work in the AU, I'll just change the episode where this plotline happens (Example: though I'm removing Sole crusher, I'm not removing Zoe as a character- I'm just putting her introduction somewhere else) to other episode.

And 2- Originally, I wanted to remove as many episodes as I could so I wouldn't have to work with episodes that I considered to be "filler", that didn't have many events that progressed the narrative or the character growth. But, at this point, I've written so many stuff (and specially stuff that deviates from canon) that I honestly need to have episodes to include theses plots LOL, so I'll probably use some basic stuff of the episodes I was planning to remove (like some akumatized villains) to add these plots (and the AU is probably gonna be way bigger than I originally wanted to, lol).

Anyways, in summary, removing an episode does not mean removing a storyline (and vice versa). For every episode I want to remove, I have a list with the plots I want to keep and things that could give me new ideas (even from medias that mostly don't affect canon like the special episodes, even the PS5 game has stuff that I want to either keep or adapt lmao).

So, although those are the episodes I plan to remove at the moment, I think asking if I'm going to keep or remove a specific storyline would give a more precise answer in general.

#asks #miraculous au #MLB unnamed AU

[flightfoot]

Something that annoys me with how both the show and salt fics prop up Marinette is how it always comes at the expense of nerfing others. No one is allowed to be more capable than her at saving the day, even when it would make perfect sense. Plot always has to be resolved by her and mostly only her.

Chat Noir/Adrien is the most consistent victim of this. Even though he's established to be an accomplished fencer, academically intelligent, a super model, etc.... somehow Marinette is the better fighter, the smarter one, the more professional one. Almost none of his honed skills gets him to shine because he might overshadow Ladybug. Who needs a guy who put in the effort and struggles at getting skills when there's this special girl who can get it right on her first try and never struggled since Origins? Chat Noir could save the world by Cataclysming a giant meteor bread but it would just be a footnote in an episode centered on Ladybug and her akumatized family. If he's shown to have a skill that would be super useful like soccer, he will forget about it. Cause he is not allowed to be the MVP. It always has to be Ladybug. It's for the gurl power tm.

Except not really when we consider Alya. There are episodes which I feel should've let Alya resolve things or contribute more. The one instance that stood out most to me is in Optigami, where Marinette recognized the Nino with them is a senti instead of Alya - his girlfriend who literally spends all her screen time next to him when she's not with Marinette. Alya who recognized the new turtle is Nino within 5 minutes of meeting him. Alya did not realize something is off with him but Marinette somehow did. Marinette, who has been out of touch with her girl squad as shown in Gang of Secrets, Mr Pidgeon 72, Guilt Trip and Crocoduel. If she's out of touch with those girls, what makes Marinette more capable of noticing something is off with Nino? Alya doesn't have to figure out Shadowmoth's gambit with the turtle miraculous but it really should've been her who noticed something is off with her boyfriend. I also felt Hacksan should've been handled by Scarabella and Chat Noir instead. It felt cheap to have Marinette swoop in to save the day when the point of the episode is to show she can count on them - it would give more weight to scenes where she expresses how she trusts them. Sentibubbler is easily Alya's best episode, but it still doesn't feel like enough considering her promoted role. The show shouldn't downplay Alya just cause she's not the main protag.

This isn't just detrimental to Adrien, Alya and the rest of the cast but also to Marinette. This is where all her stans get off on saying she's overworked and the only one doing anything as a hero. It's why she can't seem to form a proper team and all her scenes when she turns to them for support ring hollow to me. It's why I question how capable she really is when everyone around her has to be nerfed just so she can stand out. I wouldn't quite call her a Mary Sue but I can see why some people think she is.

Yeah, I've noticed these same things. I think part of the issue comes from Miraculous attempting to have a power fantasy trajectory with Marinette, where the regular person you identify with gets to be badass and amazing, while the actual plot seems suited to a more equitable distribution of power and attention, especially with Adrien being Marinette's counterpart and partner, and them being considered a duo. It results in the show telling us that they're somewhat equal partners, but the dynamic often feeling more like hero and sidekick. Which in season 4 was intentional at least, so I'm wondering whether season 5 will do more to distribute the badassery evenly.

I think something like ATLA's distribution of power and attention, where the main character and the one the plot revolved around, Aang, was really important, but a lot of the plot and character dynamics and focus was on the ensemble cast (Sokka, Katara, Toph, and at the end, Zuko) with their own stories and development, could help with this issue. Miraculous isn't ATLA though, and is largely centered around around the Lovesquare in particular, so I don't expect that to happen unless the writers go for a soft reboot. Which I could see happening after the last currently greenlit season, season 7, if they get approval for more.

Miraculous also seems afraid to tell a story without Marinette more generally, which can sometimes be detrimental to the writing, when she isn't inserted organically enough. It's a problem a lot of shows that revolve primarily around a single character have, when the other characters are both fleshed out enough for the audience to care about them and want them to get time to shine, and competent enough that they should be able to handle problems on their own that the main character is dragged into instead.

I think more specialization would help with this. It's why I like to lean into Marinette being the tactician and expert at improvising how to use objects, while having Adrien be a little more skilled at the actual combat, and at bodyguarding in particular, and have Alya be the best at reading and manipulating the villains in order to win battles. It allows each one to excel in their own field, without feeling like any of them need to be cheapened to make the others look better.

Though I will say, Marinette being overworked and trying to do all the jobs, since she's at least competent at everything, DOES play into her character arc. Marinette's incredibly skilled, but she has a lot of internal struggles, and one of them is with overstretching herself to try and do everything personally. We see it even outside of superheroing, like when she decides at the end of Wishmaker that she'll try to be and do everything she proposed that she'd do growing up, and in Simple Man when she tries to take on babysitting Manon, Ella, Etta, and Chris all at the same time, even though Alya immediately offered to cancel her date and help out when she saw that. I don't know how much of that is intentional, but it does fit.

#ask #miraculous ladybug #ml salt #I guess #I love the show but I do agree with these nitpicks #ml analysis

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Rae's Ranking of Every Miraculous Ladybug Episode (+ Specials) So Far:

Tier IV: Minimal Replay Value

#81: Miraculous World: Shanghai

#82: Guiltrip

#83: Sentibubbler

#84: Wishmaker

#85: Qilin

#86: Catalyst (Heroes' Day - Part 1)

#87: Sole Crusher

#88: Reflekta

#89: The Collector

#90: Prime Queen

#91: Captain Hardrock

#92: Anansi

#93: Crocoduel

#94: Malediktator

#95: Queen Wasp (Queen's Battle - Part 2)

#96: Style Queen (Queen's Battle - Part 1)

#97: Robostus

#98: Sapotis

#99: Reflekdoll

#100: Adoration

#101: Stormy Weather 2

#102: Furious Fu

#103: Mr. Pigeon 72

#104: Heart Hunter (Battle of the Miraculous - Part 1)

#105: Mega Leech

#106: Queen Banana

#miraculous ladybug #rae speaks #rae ranks ml episodes #the biggest surprise is reflekdoll being here #maybe it has aged better a little thanks to passion

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What Food Do Some Of The Other Kwamis Like?

Ok. Here I’ll be going over my thoughts on what food some of the other Kwamis might like. This post was inspired by a YouTuber called @spongeintheshoe who made a comment on @ASLB247’s Miraculous Ladybug Review: Ep. 1 The Bubbler Review video saying that: “Tikki likes baked goods because making them is a complex process designed to create something greater than the sum of its parts, and Plagg likes cheese because it’s made by deliberately having something rot in a specific way.” So, by that logic, Tikki likes baked goods because it has something to do with creation which is the power of the Ladybug Miraculous, while Plagg likes cheese because it has something to do with destruction which is the power of the Black Cat Miraculous. With that out of the way, let’s dive right in.

First, I’ll be going over what food I think Duusu, the Kwami connected to the Peacock Miraculous, might like. I think that what Duusu might like is ice cream. As shown in the episode ‘Mayura (Heroes Day - Part 2)’, the Peacock Miraculous which is the Miraculous that Duusu is connected to works by manifesting and solidifying a person’s emotions into creatures called sentimonsters. And I heard that ice cream is made by freezing and thus solidifying cream among other things. And I know that this analogy might sound dumb but just like how ice cream comes in a variety of different flavors, there is a variety of different emotions a person can feel.

Next, I’ll be going over what Longg, the Kwami connected to the Dragon Miraculous, might like. I think that Longg might like water. As shown in the episode ‘Ikari Gozen’, the power of the Dragon Miraculous is to transform the wielder into wind, lightning and water. And the fact that 1 of those 3 elements is water is the reason why I think Longg might like water.

Now, I’m gonna go over what food Daizzi, the Kwami connected to the Pig Miraculous, might like. I think the food that Daizzi might like is cake. As shown in the episode ‘Guiltrip’, the power of the Pig Miraculous is to show the target magical gifts that show them their heart’s greatest desire. And birthday cakes are a dish served during birthday parties where people receive gifts. I think that’s why Daizzi might like cake.

Finally, I’m gonna be going over what Roaar, the Kwami connected to the Tiger Miraculous, might like. I think that Roaar might like protein shakes. As shown in the episode ‘Crocoduel’, the power of the Tiger Miraculous is to unleash a powerful burst of energy that blows away anything in its path. And protein shakes help give a person protein thus helping them rejuvenate their energy. So, both the Tiger Miraculous’s power and protein shakes correspond to energy in some way. I think this is the reason why Roaar might like protein shakes.

Well, that’s all for this post.

See you all next time.

#miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir #kwamis #duusu #peacock miraculous #longg #dragon miraculous #daizzi #pig miraculous #roaar #tiger miraculous #spoilers

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More Season 4 Episodes!

Collector 2: Valid because he has a right to be mad that Felix stole his wedding ring, but he brought this on his own damn self too because he made the sentimonster of himself.

Malediktator 2/Mega Leech: Bruh WTF. Why did he think Project Oxygen was a good idea?

Reflekta 3/Guilttrip: Valid. Her friends are being overbearing when they said they would treat rose normally, and she feels incredibly guilty because of it.

Crocoduel: Valid, but this is a bit much. They’re both upset because of them leaving the other, but it came to a head because Jagged wants to give something they made together to their kids?

Collector swings hard back into 'you brought this on your own damn self' when you remember the ring is Adrien's Amok.