#could be interpreted as platonic or romantic and i like to think of it as both.

[kayray-art]

why do you ship tyzula? (not hating. just curious)

Simply put, I personally ship tyzula because i find the complexity of their relationship very interesting and enjoy imagining what they could have had in a world where they freed themselves from the things that tied them back.

Click “keep reading” to see me elaborate on how I interpret their relationship and what I feel holds them back.

(NOTE: I promise I am NOT one of those tyzula stans who disregards Ty Lee and her feelings. This analysis focuses on Azula because Ty Lee in canon is only restricted when Azula is restricted.)

Azula loves (whether platonic or romantic) in a strange and unhealthy way. She completely devotes herself to a person, bending to their will, in a desperate attempt to keep them by her side. This is why love is her biggest weakness. Outside of her family, Ty Lee is the person Azula cares about most. This is seen in the way she immediately softens when she realizes Ty Lee is crying.

Even when they are enemies, Azula does not wish to harm Ty Lee. She fights her when necessary and after subduing her she does not try to cause further injury. In fact, she looks shocked when it is suggested she would kill Ty Lee.

It is like the thought has never once crossed her mind. This scene makes even more sense when you remember how she ordered for Ty Lee and Mai to be locked up for treason, a crime that is usually punishable by death.

However, despite all this, we do see her harm Ty Lee in the show. In the first episode we see with them together, Azula intimidates Ty Lee into joining her mission. This is an inexcusable move as it scares, upsets and emotionally wounds Ty Lee. That said, the reasons behind the action itself are explainable.

The thing that restricts Azula, and thus restricts Ty Lee, is Firelord Ozai. Azula is the most dedicated to Ozai in the show because he is the only person who has consistently been by her side.

Ursa left home in a sacrificial act to save Zuko.

Zuko was banished and Iroh left with him.

Mai was forced to move for political reasons.

Ty Lee left to follow her dreams.

Thanks to Ozai, Azula was completely isolated with only him to rely on. She was dependent on his love alone so she would do anything to make sure he stays with her. That is why, in Return to Omashu, she was willingly to hurt Ty Lee in ways she normally wouldn’t. Every episode with the two of them outside of The Beach was them living in Ozai’s constraints. She can show her true feelings for Ty Lee in those isolated moments and Ty Lee can return that love without fear or hesitation.

I think that these two have potential in a world where Azula breaks free before she can hurt Ty Lee or, alternatively, a world where she learns to be better and seeks forgiveness from Ty Lee.

#again just to be clear i’m not trying to excuse azula’s actions in RTO #sorry if this isn’t articulated very well #atla #avatar the last airbender #avatar #azula #ty lee #tyzula #ty lee x azula #azula x ty lee #meta #analysis

[dana-is-snax]

Do you think Hannibal was in love with Alana and Bedelia? The same way he was in love with Will? Or how do you see Hannibal's relationship with Alana and Bedelia compared to his intense love for Will?

okay, buckle up, this is gonna be a wild ride. [that escalated a bit, short answer: here.]

First of all, I want to say that I am not sure how Hannibal would define love. I think for him it is mostly about being understood and seen.

Second, I think that Sorbet is really telling about his three main relationships. It contains the first session we see between him and Bedelia, we see the beginnings of his and Alana’s romantic relationship and we see Will missing his session and Hannibal coming to see Will, their conversation where Will gives such an accurate assessment of the Ripper’s motivation.

Third, since Hannibal is so manipulative his relationships are often written in a way, where we often see what he wants us to see and then later, it is revealed that it was a whole other thing entirely. In my opinion that makes it hard to assess his relationships.

alana bloom

In my opinion he neither loved nor was in love with Alana – she was an esteemed colleague. He carefully flirted with her and entered a relationship with her as means to an end, a future alibi, because she was someone Jack would trust. It was built on manipulation – even if Hannibal expressed regret for that and offered her an out.

“I was hoping you and I wouldn’t have to say good-bye. Nothing seen nor said. You may have found that rude.” “[…] I was so blind.” “In your defense, I worked very hard to blind you. You can stay blind. You can hide from this. Walk away, I’ll make no plans to call on you. But if you stay, I will kill you. Be blind, Alana. Don’t be brave.” Mizumono, 00:29:37-00:30:27.

It is mentioned, they worked together in what I think was a mentor-mentee relationship. This previous platonic relationship, their history, is what he constructed their romantic one on.

“You had me examining PhD candidates that week.” “And I’m grateful you were examining PhD students and not the Ripper. You realize those candidates thought we were having an affair. Why didn’t we?” Sorbet, 00:25:50-00:25:58.

I think for Hannibal it is important that people see him, that someone understands him. Alana did not and could never – “while being able to understand Hannibal's philosophies, [she] is unable to accept or digest them.” (cf. tayasui-mono in her post)

“Could I ever have understood you?” “No.” Digestivo, 00:26:32-00:26:40.

[honorable mentions]

that weird ass kaleidoscope sex scene

the theremin rizz

bedelia du maurier

I do believe that he was in love with Bedelia once upon a time, at the starting point of the series I would say he loves her but is not in love with her anymore.

In Sorbet, Alana mentions an affair he had while she was working with him. I always interpreted that this affair was with Bedelia.

“You were already having an affair.” Sorbet, 00:26:05-00:26:07.

In my opinion, Bedelia is one of two people, who get to know Hannibal under the person suit. Alone by her knowledge that there is a person suit she knows him better than most. The best scene for that is the first session we see in Sorbet.

She sees small glimpses of him. When she mentions the existence of his human veil/person suit as well as the loneliness that surely must come with it, we see a small smile flash over Hannibal’s face, acknowledging her knowledge of him. More so she knows that she knows him.

“I see enough of you to see the truth of you. And I like you.” Sorbet, 00:18:18-00:18:22.

Not only does she confront him with the fact of his dishonesty, with the existence of his human veil/person suit, but she also distances herself from him being his friend; they are colleagues and in a doctor-patient relationship. She gives clear boundaries, BUT crosses them in the same scene by drinking a glass wine with ‘her patient’.

Bedelia is morally ambiguous, we never know whether she is scared or complicit – or a little bit of both. Or if she even knows.

“Important to get across was the degree to which she is aroused by what is happening. Why on earth is she there? I mean, I know she is titillated by him. But the fact that she got on the plane and went to Italy with him implies that there is something deeper between them. This is the first time he commits a murder in front of her. It was important to see the degree to which she is on the one hand completely terrified. And on the other hand, there’s a part of her that is definitely turned on by and enraptured by the danger and him.” Gillian Anderson in ‘Gillian Anderson Rewatches The X-Files, Sex Education, Scoop & More’ for Vanity Fair.

I believe also that if Italy had been the first time she ever was directly confronted with Hannibal’s violence - while acting like or rather being his wife mind you – she would not have been so torn about it.

Something that I also don’t want to skip is the fact that she killed before and that she liked it – at least that's how I would interpret the orgasm-like camera work in that particular scene. Therefore I would say that Hannibal likes to play with that darker side of her – to provoke her.

“Observe or participate?” “What?” “Are you, in this very moment, observing or participating?” “Observing.” “You say you’re observing, but this…this is participation, Bedelia.” Antipasto, 00:37:25-00:37:53.

In the end though, Italy happens while Hannibal is already and still very much in love with Will and he is literally talking to his ‘wife’ about his boyfriend.

“Was it nice to see him?” “It was nice…among other things .He knew where to look for me.” “You knew where he would look for you.” "He said he forgave me." “Forgiveness is too great and difficult for one person. It requires two: the betrayer and the betrayed. Which one are you?” “I’m vague on those details.” "Betrayal and forgiveness are best seen as something akin to falling in love." "You cannot control with respect to whom you fall in love." Secondo, 00:00:53-00:01:57.

After all that there is no way Bedelia didn't feel used. She knew she was filling the gaps Will left in Hannibal's life while understanding that although they are similar she could never replace him in any manner.

I don't understand how people interpret her as annoyed or as if she "just didn't want to die". There was surely understanding and love between Hannibal and her, yet not like between Will and Hannibal.

And YES, they fucked.

[honorable mentions]

the dancing scene (and the whole antipasto episode just for their chemistry): “Bellissima.” “Grazie.”

the dinner scene: “My husband has a very sophisticated palate. He is very particular about how I taste.” “Is it that kind of party?” “It’s not that kind of party.”

will graham

Hannibal’s relationship with Will I always find hard to define as it is written in a way that is not so much based on romantic or sexual attraction but rather mutual understanding – ‘seeing each other’. (Which, let’s be honest, is probably due to NBC being homophobic.)

Because of his ‚gift‘, his heightened empathy, Will can assess the Ripper in a way that no one else can. In Sorbet, he does so in Hannibal’s presence and Hannibal finally finds someone who really sees him.

“Displaying one’s enemies after death has its appeal in many cultures.” “This aren’t the Ripper’s enemies, these are pests he’s swatted.” “Their reward for their cruelty.” “Oh, he doesn’t have a problem with cruelty. Their reward is for undignified behavior. These dissections are to disgrace them. It’s…it’s a public shaming.” “Takes their organs away because, in his mind, they don’t deserve them.” “In some way.” Sorbet, 00:34:44-00:35:21.

In each other they find someone that understands and reciprocates.

“They are identically different, Hannibal and Will.” Digestivo, 00:03:59-00:04:02.

With his Achilles/Patroclus reference in regards to their relationship Hannibal practically confesses that he is indifferent to anyone but Will in his life. (How Will misses the point of this reference is completely inexplicable to me. After this he still had the audacity to ask, “Is Hannibal in love with me?” YES, YOU STUPID MAN!)

"Achilles lamenting the death of Patroclus. Whenever he's mentioned in the Iliad, Patroclus seems to be defined by his empathy." "He became Achilles on the field of war. He died for him there, wearing his armor." "He did. Hiding and revealing identity is a constant theme throughout the Greek epics." "As are battle-tested friendships." "Achilles wished all Greeks would die, so that he and Patroclus could conquer Troy alone. Took divine intervention to bring them down." Tome-wan, 00:40:22-00:41:07.

In the end, Will and Hannibal are so incredibly complex, they are written so that they literally defy definition und do not fit into a mold. I could not even say that Hannibal feels intense love for Will. I’m not even sure that Hannibal is able to feel love at all - same with Will - or rather how they feel love.

But they see each other for what they are.

"Time did reverse. The teacup that I shattered there did come together. A place was made for Abigail in your world... You understand? A place was made for all of us, together. I wanted to surprise you. And you... you wanted to surprise me. I let you know me. See me. I gave you a rare gift. But you didn't want it." “Didn’t I?” Mizumono, 00:36:15-00:37:18.

 [honorable mentions]

the baby trap: "Who knows Abigail better than you and I? Or burden she bears. We are her fathers now. We have to serve her better than Garrett Jacob Hobbs."

the ogling: “Are you feeling paternal, Will?”

conclusion

Hannibal did not love Alana. She was an esteemed colleague but in the end, she was a means to an end. She was there to give him an alibi. He manipulated her.

Hannibal surely once was in love with Bedelia, maybe even loves her still but is not IN love with her anymore. I would say he took her to Italy for the love that once was there – for old time’s sake.

Will is ‘Blackbeard’s last wife’. He and Hannibal just have an unprecedented understanding for each other. Hannibal wanted a future with Will.

So, no, Hannibal was not in love with Alana and Bedelia, or at least not in the same way he was with Will.

[I want to note here that both Bedelia and Will often behave in a way that Hannibal would consider rude and he turns a blind eye to it. All this to say, if it had ended with Bedelia, Will and Hannibal as a throuple, Hannibal wouldn’t have had a peaceful day in his life ever again.]

#hannibal lecter #will graham #bedelia du maurier #alana bloom #hannibal meta #bedannibal meta #hannigram meta #hannibal nbc

[gr1an]

bdubs’ “etho girl supreme; number one etho defender” thing

vs gem’s “starting fights with etho for fun at any opportunity” thing

vs joel’s “i’m SO NORMAL about my ex-soulmate etho. he’s completely obsessed with me and I’M SO NORMAL ABOUT HIM” thing

is such a fun part of this season so far

like it’s so fun to see so many ppl be So Normal about etho and this is my first time watching a season in real time from multiple perspectives but like. i dunno these guys are all so fun together. even though with joel it is almost entirely one-sided, whereas with the other two etho matches their energy completely.

#could be interpreted as platonic or romantic and i like to think of it as both. #hermitcraft s10 #ethubs #smalletho #gemtho #.txt

[fruit-kick]

people need to start taking aroace characters as an opportunity to explore queerplatonic/unconventional relationships instead of taking it as an offense and completely ignoring their identity methinks

#🍊​fruit.posts🏀 #aroace #aromantic #asexual #idk i just think it would be so aweomse.... it would be so cool #if ppl didnt write their aroace faves as allos #like theres a whole spectrum and so many interesting ways u could explore relationships as an aroace #begging yall to explore relationship dynamics that arent strictly platonic or strictly romantic #it will do u good both in interpretation and irl

[ilovefredjones]

forever thinking about tendi and mariner’s ‘you and boimler practically sleep in the same bed’ ‘ew no he’s like a pet’

#i think not interpreting this as romantic makes it even more fucking crazy #i don’t ship marinler myself. to me they are just codependent besties #and it fucking sends me nuts #them being so close they could feasibly share one of those small bunk beds #and HES LIKE A PET???????? how the hell do we unpack all of that #mariner is fond of him and keeps him around :) #just. platonic marinler is sooooo much more interesting to me than romantic #star trek #star trek lower decks #beckett mariner #brad boimler

[churchandstateofbeing]

sometimes love is watching someone lose all of the money your boss gave you for chefs tools at a casino and then immediately volunteering to lose a bunch of your own items in exactly the same way just because he’s convinced you that it’s a good idea

#a starstruck odyssey #dimension 20 #gunnie miggles rashbax #big barry syx #we NEED to talk about their friendship more #like yes starstruck ended nearly two years ago #but it never ended in my heart so there #and as much as i love the syx/sid platonic soulmates dynamic #and i REALLY love their dynamic (i love the whole gunner channel family dynamic i am normal i promise) #we as d20 fans do not talk about the gunnie/barry dynamic which is so strong and beautiful and so so stupid NEARLY enough #and i think it could be reasonably interpreted both platonically or romantically but either way #jumping like 10+ stories and nearly dying #to make sure your buddy’s cybertronic parts aren’t damaged while you are both running from the corporate CIA #or jumping into your buddy’s arms while skiffing #as first impulse because you just went over a huge bump and your parts could get damaged but you know your buddy will protect you #that is love i think

[mcytshippystuff]

(/rp, not irl!) OKAY SO! What i think about q!Phil, q!Missa, and q!Forever's relationships in the QSMP;

In my head, q!Philza and q!Missa started out as just co-parents when they were assigned each other to take care of Chayanne. Then they became more like, platonic husbands but I wouldn't say queerplatonic? Like, they felt getting married was just easier but didn't really have the relationship or level of commitment/care a Queerplatonic or romantic relationship would have. Then they started caring for each other, spending time together and having fun, and entered a weird in-between state of tbh they could go either way ya know?

Then Missa started catching feelings. He didn't mean to, honest! But just, the way Phil would worry and cared for him and their son, the time they spent together, how could he not fall for the Death touched Angel? But he wasn't ever sure how to broach it, sometimes he felt as if Phil felt the same but other times it was obvious Phil didn't so it was just a mess, and he wasn't willing to ruin what they had.

(More about Phil's feelings and Forever's part in all this under the cut, its long sorry not sorry lol)

Meanwhile Phil is both Oblivious and very in denial about any feelings, or people trying to point out there may be feelings at all. I'm unsure if id stick q!Phil on the Ace Spectrum or romance just isn't a priority (or if he's just resistant to the idea of it for whatever reason), but either way he cant fathom the idea that people have actual feelings for him, nor that he might have them himself, so he doesn't really look too deep on his feelings and often brushes them away if he's presented with the idea that it may be real.

So what if being with Missa feels like they were the only people in the world? If the way Missa takes care of their son gives Phil light fuzzy feelings in his chest? If having to say goodbye for who knows how long felt like a hole was punched in his chest, and when he came back Phil suddenly felt like the weight of the world was lifted? He cares about his friend, his platonic husband, that's it! Its def not anything romantic pssh that would be ridiculous...

Meanwhile q!Forever, oh poor Forever.

Admittedly in the beginning it was mostly a joke. The resemblance to Brunim, while at first glance, may be strong but to Forever they didn't look alike at all once you got close, in all the small ways that mattered most really. It was funny to tease and poke and get attached to the lookalike but then oh, oh how it stopped being a joke. (Forever refuses to think about there's a good reason why him and Brunim are apart, for both their own sakes)

And maybe, just maybe, for a while it was becuase how much Forever missed Brunim that he got attached to q!Phil, that he started to feel feelings for the man, but if you look close you can see those feelings started to become real, he honestly and genuinely started to fall for Philza. No more mirror images to chase, no, now Phil felt like standing in the heavy rain, every drop stinging but it was so so cleansing, healing, refreshing. Every time Forever got him to laugh felt like a personal victory he'd ride the high of for days, and every sharp, hurtful word was taken with a forced laugh or fake smile and it would linger and haunt his mind.

Forever tried, he really did, but it felt like nothing he could say or do would convince Phil of his real feelings, often slipping up or saying the wrong things and it was Forever's own damn fault, nobody to blame but himself. And maybe he didn't handle this all the best, maybe got to obsessive or said things that went to far but to be honest Forever didn't really know love any other way and was trying to unlearn the worst parts of himself the best he could. It didn't help Forever is really prone to self-destructive behavior when things are going good. And he tried to leave it be, he promises he tried to give up, to let go but the blond Angel had rooted himself, utterly and entirely into Forever's heart and he couldn't bring himself to cut his love for Phil out.

And q!Phil? Well, it was complicated becuase he did genuinely like the man. Forever was funny and for the most part the "crush", if he could call it that, was amusing at best and just annoying at worst times, and even if Forever was annoying or often went too far, Phil knew there was a good man there. He saw it when Forever gave it a rest and they'd have conversations that would last forever. He saw it when Forever would make him laugh until he couldn't breathe or when Forever took care of the eggs as fiercely as Philza did and when the man cried becuase he was so upset at even the idea of loosing any of the kids, and every lose hurt personally. And though he didn't often think to hard on it, sometimes when the other blond would smile or laugh, Phil felt like he was being shone on by the sun, warm, bright, burning, piercing, overwhelming. The quiet moments when Forever would drop all pretenses and masks and just let himself be, in happy, soft, or sad moments made Phi's chest sing.

But Philza couldn't ignore how the fact he was just a stand in hurt in ways Phil wasn't able to explain and to be honest didn't understand why it bothered him so much, it was never a big deal until it suddenly was. Every time Forever assumed something about him or didn't bother to figure out just was another stab in the heart and Phil just got so angry at the fact that Forever tried to say otherwise, but ultimately his affection wasn't real, and he didn't like being played with. Sure he didn't think Forever was doing it maliciously but he just wanted Forever to just stop! Stop how it hurt, how confused it made Phil. He just wanted it to stop being so confusing, to stop questioning these feelings buried deep within his chest. Plus even if wasn't so complicated, some part of him recognizes he also cares deeply about Missa and since they're married, even if its just platonically, its a commitment Phil is committed too so it feels like a betrayal.

Someone tell this man about the wonders of Polyamory!

Meanwhile Forever and Missa are mostly cautious but also a bit hostile towards each other at first, becuase that's competition in their eyes, a threat of their loves, but in the end they chill becuase they realize its neither of their choices and also the other isnt... bad per say. Maybe they even have a understanding becuase they recognize they both love and care for Phil. Maybe they even come to like and even care about the other in the future, who knows.

So, tldr;

Phil has feelings for both Missa and Forever, some more complicated then others, but he both refuses to admit it to even himself or even fathom he could like someone, let alone two people, and his view on Forever still only liking him becuase of his ex made it a lot more complicated becuase he feels hurt. But he has two hands, that's important to remember!

Missa is very in love with Philza but is both too hesitant to say anything, lest he ruin their relationship they have now, and becuase he's been away so much. He really didn't like Forever, both becuase of the "he just likes me becuase I look like his ex" becuase it clearly hurt phil, but he chilled a bit when he realized Forever wasn't a bad person, just complicated and did really love and care for Phil as well, and being hostile towards each other just made Phil more upset. Now they're cool, if not a bit sure about each other, and maybe even come to like or care for each other too later but who knows.

Forever originally liked Philza becuase he looked like Brunim as a joke, and maybe even some of his infatuation started becuase of it too, but he really did come to see Philza as his own person and come to care and even fall in love with Phil for real. However Forever recognizes he's messed up a lot and often still does, but he's trying so hard to both be better and give Philza space but he cant stop loving Phil no matter how hard he tries. Same as above for him and Missa, its complicated but Forever has chilled and is trying hard to work on his jealousy issues. He thinks Missa isnt that bad and might even come to like or care for each other too later but who knows.

Later on, once they all work out their issues and Phil both stops being a oblivious fuck and realizes that Forever really does honestly and truly love him for him, they end up in a polyamory. Its Philza dating them both but maybe end game has Missa and Forever dating too idk lol.

#mine #please reblog likes do nothing <3 #qsmpshipping #qsmp shipping #pissa #philever #I also wanted to hammer home that #when i say Pissa's relationship is considered platonic and not Queer platonic #im not dissing on qpr's #Queerplatonic realtionships are just as valid #real #and important/commited as a romantic one is #its just a diffrent type of realtionship #i just dont think thats what Pissa have #and ill admit i dont know too much about #Brunim and Forever's relationships (rp wise) and #while i could be wrong #from what i understand it was very toxic and bad on both ends #so im choosing to interpret it that way #and alluding to the fact that becuase of it #Forever has a hard time being normal and healthy #about romantic realtionships #but he's trying! #he promises he's trying #i have more hc's for em lol #just focusing on the romantic ones since ship blog lol #let me know if you wanna hear em #Missa's and Phil's section is shorter but only becuase its less complicated #Meanwhile Forever and Phil are so convoluted and complicated lmao #they figure it out tho just takes a bit lol

[theabyssgazesalsointoyou]

actually guys i love jeremy and michael. ik i barely ever talk about them but i do i promise. they're interesting characters. i simply do not like the fanon versions of them.

#i like boyf riends too but it has to be angsty #i'm not really interested in fluff but i do think a romantic dynamic w/ them could be interesting #because hot take. 12 years of friendship is simply too strong a platonic bond for me to think of them romantically #however you can't deny the romantic tension between them #so my personal interpretation is. michael did pine for jeremy & maybe jeremy subconsciously did reciprocate those feelings #but in the end michael gets over it and they don't end up together. they are best friends for life tho they're inseparable #hiding in the tags bc i'm scared/hj #bmc #be more chill #jeremy heere #michael mell

[milkbreadtoast]

Wait does Cedyes actually become a thing? I only follow the webtoon

i have not caught up with the novel (impossible for me to since there's over 800 ch and theyre not all translated) so I can't say anything about where the novel will go and what the "endgame" will be but as far as I'm concerned that's not important... as far as I can say, yes and no..?? TWSB isn't classified as a romance or a BL, so yeseo likely won't get a romantic "love interest" whether it be gay or straight, and my guess is the bond btwn the main trio will be akin to platonic soulmates... I can guarantee that yeseo and cedric won't be making out onscreen or anything... but at the same time imo if ppl don't pick up on the LGBT undertones (specifically with Cedric) then they are not reading it right (/lh i don't like to say anyones interp is "wrong" but... this is like saying killua isn't gay kdbfmd)

I'm just gonna give the answer I gave before and that my guess is it'll be like ORV where no it's not explicitly a BL, or romance, but YET its so extremely and soul crushingly romantic and they end up winning the 2023 tumblr yaoi awards over spirk and sasunaru (this actually happened

#sorry for the long winded answer idk what to say #yes and no #i am legally obligated to say no but #yes #yesyesyesyes #ask #o sidenote if u want a slightly more serious answer #i think an obstacle to cedyes actually becoming a 'thing' as u asked #is just the sheer force of yeseo's aroace spec flavor of obliviousness cnnfnfffh #so its more onesided ced->yes pining from what ive seen... yeseo doesnt even have a clue abt how cedric feels tbh #but i do genuinely think cedric's crush on jesse/yeseo is real #at the very least its canon that jesse is a deeply precious person to him #and he feels healed and understood by him and would do anything to protect him #and there are often moments where he's like. taken aback and flustered by jesse in a way new and confusing to him #i genuinely think its accurate to interpret it as a first love #like u COULD. if u reallyyyy wanted to. interpret cedric's love for yeseo as purely platonic. but why would i do that when their scenes are #so unbearably romantic... #twsb spoilers #ALSO READ THE NOVEL BLEASEEE ITS SM BETTER THAN THE WEBTOON I PROMMY

[castielmacleod]

The Crowley and Amara thing as it was in canon was very much a complete disaster but part of the reason I so strongly prefer Amara as Crowley’s kid conceptually over him having anything to do with Gavin is because I really prefer the idea of Crowley choosing to be a parent on his own terms because he wants to have a relationship like that, and not out of any sort of forced obligation.

#Especially because to me Gavin only exists because Fergus MacLeod was a gay man who #had to force himself to marry and have children to hide that significant part of himself. #And that is why he resents Gavin so much in the first place. Not that it justifies the mistreatment but that’s at least WHY #It’s at least why Crowley feels that way. In my interpretation that is #So I think Crowley would have a LOT of parenting hang-ups related to that whole ordeal #Which I think is why he has Amara call him uncle instead of papa or something because he’s still not entirely comfortable #with fatherhood and his place in it and so the uncle thing is a way he can distance himself from that a little #But he very much was trying to parent Amara. Like in complete and total earnest too regardless of any initial intentions #I honestly believe that it became less about getting the Darkness on his side and more about him wanting a family #Wanting ANYONE. Love of any kind be it romantic platonic familial etc. He just wanted someone who would stand next to him #And maybe that’s kind of a woobie take but on my head be it I guess because I really do believe that #The show is atrociously written of course so like I said it’s an entire mess but he really did read parenting help books in the middle of #important meetings. Like. What am I supposed to do with that information other than think he is actually really trying here #ANYWAY to return to the point I’m trying to make with the post….. the fact that Crowley wanted to be a parent to Amara and clearly #did not want to have had Gavin is an important difference to me. #And I think if fan content is going to give Crowley any adventure in parenting then I’d much rather see him with Amara #Making the active choice to be someone for her #Rather than force himself to have anything to do with Gavin out of guilt at best and pure obligation at worst #(Due to Crowley and Rowena’s same person syndrome this is also why I think that while they could be friends that their #parent-child relationship is a ship that has LONG since sailed. Rowena is not a mother she’s not comfortable with it etc. So #they would stop trying to force that particular angle and just try and be amiable with each other and I think it would make it #genuinely easier for them to get along if they stopped trying to be Mother and Son and just tried to be people.) #My posts

[omni-scient-pan-da]

I want to read the tags on the fanfic that's being written about my life please and thank you

I would really like to know if I'm in my unrequited love era or my mutual pining era, or my 600/800 years of slow burn ineffable husbands/hualian era right about now

#panda posts #panda pines #may #pov i just got off the phone with may after an hour and a half of talking to them in which i made progress by getting them to promise to be #open and honest with me when they want to express themselves around me and i promised to do the same but also I CAN'T #because i don't want them to think that im only friends with them because i like them queer platonically/romantically because that's not #the case but also i feel as though that conversation had a lot of ups and downs and ambiguous sentences that could have been interpreted a #lot of different ways and im over thinking things again aren't i 😒

[s1ld3n4f1l]

For the HMS shipping thing I think it’s just general consensus due to CJs not outright said weither or not he’s against it or fine w it? and also the fact that it can kindaaaa lean on seeming incesty from a glance? even if you DO take into consideration it’s chill from a system aspect you have to think about the fact the characters were not initially written to be a system and aren’t entirely separate people from each other, like it’s clear they are still connected to each other/whole in some fashion, and idk I think it’s just a “don’t want to risk it” type of thing, plus I just think personally that exploring the characters in a platonic way is more interesting writing wise to dig into their characterizations, ig it just bugs me when all people can get out of a series is ways to ship the characters, nothing against you ofc! You were just curious! BUT I just think the CCCC fandom is like refreshing in that sense you know? Gives more of a chance to explore writing analysis and character dynamics etc :3!

idk if I’m making sense lol I just always try to make sure to be weary of any accidental sus adjacent stuff, and it gets tricky with series like this where it’s kindof a weird gray area?? AND I’m on the ace spectrum so I’m just not the kind of person to ship characters in general/I just don’t see the appeal like others do, TLDR like I said: I think it’s mostly just to play it safe/no one really sees a point in it anyway shrugs /nm (sorry this got long I just had thoughts I wanted to ramble about)

I'm a hopeless romantic so I love shipping, but I TOTALLY get what you mean with the shipping being too much sometimes. Sometimes it's WAYYY more fun and interesting to explore character relationships in a platonic light rather than romantic, especially since fandoms and media focus on shipping and romance a little too much sometimes. I do think it would be interesting exploring some relationships in CCCC in a romantic light, but I still greatly enjoy seeing them interact platonically.

I also thought it might be a "selfcest = incest" thing, since I've seen that crop up in other fandoms with character who isn't explicitly a system but is multiple people. But I don't really get that tbh? When I was younger, selfcest was RAMPANT in some fandoms, ironically or not. (I remember it in homestuck specifically in a jokey sorta way, but it was taken seriously in Undertale AU crossovers for example where everyone shipped Sans with himself. And I have to mention the one we're all thinking off: Onecest.)

I've mentioned this before in my last two posts about this but, again, I think it'd be fine? I don't know Chonny and I am not him so I have no idea his actual feelings on it, but from the QnA it seems they're characters more than they are him. With him allowing headcanoned identities, kinning, introjects (I'm not a system so I don't know if it can be controlled, but he said he was fine with them is the point I'm making), and all that, I assume shipping is fair game as well. Again, though, I'm not Chonny and I don't know Chonny, so I have no way of knowing his actual feelings.

Never feel bad about rambling in my inbox, by the way. I always enjoy hearing about stuff people like, ESPECIALLY if it's something I also like. Thanks for your input! :D

#chonny jash #i just hope that if shipping content starts popping up it doesnt overtake the platonic content #like i said i think itd be interesting but them interacting platonically is more important tbh #seeing them be besties > seeing them be romantic #i just think itd be interesting to dabble in some romantic interpretations of relationships #and if we go one of the monogamous routes the third wheel jokes you could make would be funny #heart x mind. {oh god i wanted them to be close but not THIS close} #soul x heart [can we please focus on the task at hand instead of you guys making goo-goo eyes at each other all day] #soul x mind (IM LITERALLY THE EMBODIMENT OF LOVE AND EMOTION HOW DID YOU TWO GET TOGETHER BEFORE I GOT ANYONE) [haha no bitches] #hms shipping

[thefunniestguy]

Ouuuugh ,,,, thinks about ,, the , the role love plays in Pandora Hearts ,,,,,,

#i love simpifying things i like sorta like this . i.e. adventure time is about growing up (mostly imo) #pandora hearts definitely has some things abt growing up but . love was such a key part for every single character i can think of #the . the literal REASON annnyyyy of Pandora Hearts happened was bc Jack loved Lacie #also ANY kind of love methinks . Jack and Lacie were . romantic on Jack's half and very obsessive #but Alyss loved Jack platonically . like Alice loved her rabbit . and the abyss loved Alice !!!!!! #elliot and leo loved each other healthily for the most part !! but they were friends and equals before anything else ! even if they #didnt love each other romanticslly (up to interpretation) they absolutely loved each other as friends #same w oz and gil !! and alice !!!! gil loved oz enough to wait for him and wait for him #lottie loved ozwald !! and ozwald loved lacie (platonically) #i could go on and on ough #and every single 'love' is more than platonic and / or romantic !! theyre all detailed w difficult mixing emotions yk ?? #i.e. jacks unhealthy obsession w lacie . oscar loved his nephew the way any uncle would but - #he still had lingering thoughts of ways he could blame oz . it wasnt oz's fault but oscar could have turned bitter like oz's dad #OUGH ANYWAY . claps . if anyone wants more rambles im always here to ramble im #brainrotting over this silly little heartbreaking series <33

[thejesterlad]

if i wasn't ace/aro the line 'I love you so much it scares me half to death. The other half I guess I'm giving to you.' would be on the fucking top of my list i swear

#× will wood #× talking #will wood #Could it be interpreted platonically too?? #ik in the context of the song it's meant to be romantic (i think) #but like #if you were to just say it in regular conversation #then again it wouldn't be a regular conversation with that would it #eh anyways

[ifeelfreewithoutmyshoes]

I think… that I’m just gonna wallow a bit about this season and then do what I did when wayward son came out: ignore it’s existence until part three comes out with a happy ending

#iiiiim just not the biggest fan of this season I think #and I’m not a fan of when the first part of media has a pretty happy ending #and then a part two and three is added with more drama #when the first part stands pretty nicely alone as a chill cosy fun piece of fiction #I’ll just air my grievance and if this ends up in the tag I’m sorry #I didn’t really like the fact that there was next to no plot going on #the other characters from season one had completely disappeared #I honestly didn’t think the two shipowners had that much chemistry? #like their romance fell flat to me and I didn’t see the point in giving one a partner already really #and I think I just really liked having zira and Crowley be very open for interpretation #like yes I read fanfic where they have romantic confessions and all that #but in the show I loved how they obviously loved eachother but they could just as easily be queer platonic #and I sent my friend a rant with why even though they can still be aroace with kissing it just takes something away from me #which just leads me back to how I just really preferred season one #I think my biggest problem was the plot tho it was as interesting to watch as a whole simply #but I also adore Zira and Crowley and having more stuff with them and their emotional problems #I’m just never in a huge need of sequels sometimes when I like the first part fine #I guess that’s the worst of it #me #I still sometimes kinda ignore the two books after carry on bc it stand alone fine to me #it’s a fun cosy angsty read like a fanfic and honestly that’s all I needed

[alxclaremont]

i cannot believe i have a genuine crush on four different people right now

#maybe i need to go back to therapy #i will say. however. that one of the crushes on a girl that i've liked for the past couple of months is actually going away #this crush on the other girl and the two other guys though? yeah unfortunately those are fueling my delusions on strong #one of those boys may or may not be gay ngl. fully convinced it's not actually a crush and it's just me not being able to interpret #my feelings or distinguish my platonic feelings from romantic feelings #really this could be said for all four crushes #i'm not sure i actually have a crush on literally any of them bc i lowkey doubt i do #that is not. however. stopping me from thinking about them romantically anyway #anyway. it's mental illness luv #lacey talks