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Kitty @ Bob
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70s-show-diary · 8 months
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"Guys, we're making memories here!" - Michael Kelso (x)
25 years of That '70s Show August 23, 1998
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Don't get me wrong, I LOVED seeing Eric and the gang but the appearance I was most excited to see may very well have been Bob. Seeing him with Red and Kitty again was perfect! Wouldn't have been the same without a reunion of these three!
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thestupidhelmet · 4 months
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Donna's Childhood and Teenhood Wounding
Donna grows up with two loving but self-involved parents. Bob has oppressive and regressive ideas about gender roles, which Donna clearly rebels against early on -- likely reflexively. Until Donna is seventeen, Midge is passive about Bob's chauvinistic attitude and treatment of her (Midge). This passivity coupled to Bob's chauvinism is Donna's first and primary model for male-female romantic relationships, the disparity in U.S. society between men and women, and a bleak vision for Donna's future since she's female.
On the show, Bob refers to Eric as "dirtying [Donna] up" because Donna and Eric have sex. He uses the word dirty in regard to Donna and other woman for enjoying and having sex.
Bob and Midge tend to neglect Donna on a regular basis. They get caught up in sexual fads, which they not only ignore Donna for but also expose Donna to inappropriately and often.
Further, Bob and Midge make Donna a witness to and arbiter of their marital problems. During season 1 and half of season 2, Donna is in a constant state of fear that her parents will divorce. They include her in their fights and use her to win those fights.
Bob writes Midge a note that calls her a bitch, one he knows Donna shouldn't see but writes in front of her anyway. Regardless that he tells Donna that this term doesn't refer to her, the fact it refers to her mother demonstrates and reinforces his lack of respect for Midge and women.
The way Donna is raised teaches her not to trust men will treat her as an equal or worthy of respect, makes her afraid of being trapped in a romantic relationship that limits her freedom and won't allow her to pursue her dreams, makes her fear that a romantic relationship can't and won't last if she's the one in it.
She's also afraid sex will ruin her relationship with Eric. She's watched her whole life how her parents' relationship to sex negatively impacts their marriage. She builds significant boundaries around and about sex in response to how her parents have none and, thus, force her to be a witness to their sex life.
Her attitude toward and choices about her relationship with Eric are consistently influenced by the state of her parents' marriage. When Bob and Midge fight, Donna pushes Eric away. After Bob and Midge renew their vows and commitment to each other, Donna feels safe enough to have sex with Eric the first time.
In reaction to her parents' neglect, she engages in self-destructive behaviors (e.g., purposely failing classes and smoking cigarettes) to get their attention. This self-destructiveness reaches its apex in season 4.
Midge leaves Bob and abandons Donna shortly after Donna and Eric break up. Bob is too overwhelmed by his own grief to be present to Donna and her grief. She essentially becomes parentless and doesn't have enough emotional support. Her lifelong fears and trauma coalesce in season four, and Donna undergoes a personality shift -- and adopts related behaviors -- to suppress her pain.
Donna's trauma is evident throughout the first half of the series. It's woven into her character through actions and dialogue. While Hyde's emotional wounds and their cause contrast are explicitly stated and explored in specific episodes, Donna's -- by contrast -- are more subtly depicted but no less influential on her. She and Hyde, in fact, bond over where their trauma overlaps.
Fleeing to California at the end of season 5 to be with her mother is necessary and healing. Unfortunately, Bob is clueless how his (in)actions and lack of emotional availability during season 4 contribute to Donna's choices. He punishes her instead when she returns home, quite harshly. He deprives her of finishing high school with her best friends, found family, and the boy she's loved since at least four-years-old.
Another trauma, but this time she has Eric to support her and allows her friends to support her, too.
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thatseventiesbitch · 1 month
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How do you think Donna coped with the breakup in the s4 premiere? Asking for a fic since in the canon ep, we only saw Eric’s pov. And you are the self proclaimed Donna defense attorney after all haha!
Ooh, this was an interesting question! Thanks for the ask.
Yes, in the beginning of S4 we see Eric dealing with the break-up. He's utterly devastated, can barely get out of bed, and is reminded of Donna everywhere he turns. This seems to last until Red forces him out of his funk, by ordering him outside to do some chores (and later, bringing him to a bar and empathizing with him).
Donna's feelings at this time, we know less about. But we do know a little.
First, she was becoming more and more upset throughout she and Eric's conversation about the promise ring, and she was clearly crying when she set down the ring and ran off. This is the first time (I think) Donna has cried on the show thus far, so it's a pretty significant indicator of how extreme her grief was in that moment.
We also know that just like Red sent Eric out to do yard chores, Bob sent Donna out to do the same at the end of S4xE2. Donna and Bob have this exchange,
Bob: Well I see sunshine outside but I don't see sunshine inside. Wanna talk about the break-up, baby? Donna: No, Dad. I don't want to talk about it. (He starts to walk away) You know, we were happy. But he had to push me. He had to define everything and get his little ring on me. And by the time it was over, we weren't even together anymore! (Angrily) I'm fine.
leading me to conclude
Donna was initially really, really sad after the break-up, but that was quickly replaced with anger/bitterness (directed at Eric, for the next several episodes at least)
Bob was worried about Donna just like Red was worried about Eric. She must've also seemed incredibly sad, perhaps was moping around the house for a few days, just like Eric was.
We also know that Jackie was there for her in solidarity/taking her side right away, so she had that support to lean on.
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winnie-the-monster · 1 month
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einsteinsugly · 3 months
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ENFJ. 😀
You have stumbled upon my second personal question mark, Bob!
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Bob Pinciotti, ENFJ (or maybe ENFP?). The Advocate.
"People with an ENFJ personality type tend to be warm, genuine, and empathetic in their behavior. They are persuasive and are often using their gifts to help guide people toward a better life. They thrive in groups and love to build connections with others." -crystalknows.com
Note: I have conflicting typings for him, because...
1. He has very strong Ne (extroverted intuition) and Fe (extroverted feeling).
2. He definitely seemed more like an ENFJ for the first two-thirds of the show, and ENFP for the last third. Like, an ENFP parent wouldn't send their kid to Catholic school, even as a punishment.
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In Alexis Rose Voice: "Ew..."
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those70scomics · 9 months
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Just curious, but in the wiki it says that Joanne broke up with Bob for an unknown reason. Do you have any theories?
Short answer: bad, lazy writing is the reason Joanne broke up with Bob. 🙃
Real-world reason: dhe broke up with him for the stunt casting of Brooke Shields as Jackie's mom and to give her a storyline with Bob (Brooke was great in the role, though. Just sucks what the writers had her do with it).
In-universe, no explanation is given. The T7S writers did what they often did when they wanted the plot to move from one place to another quickly: give either no grounding in characterization for the change or force a character to act totally OOC to serve the plot.
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cottoncandyandsunsets · 7 months
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That 90s Show? Nah
That 50s Show, a prequel series that follows Red and/or Kitty and explains EVERYTHING abt their relationships with the other characters because tbh that shit is more interesting than half the shit in late series 70s Show. And the best part, we don't even need the original Red and Kitty.
Do I think this would actually happen? Probably not, especially with all the Danny Masterson/Mila and Ashton/ Debra Jo Rupp and Kurtwood Smith defending Masterson controversy that happened.
Do I want it to happen? Yeah.
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hydesjackiespuddinpop · 5 months
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That 70s Show (6x01) | That 90s Show (1x07)
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This show has been with me since 8th grade and now I’m graduating it feels weird cuz I watched them graduate but not as weird as dazed and confused cuz they never graduated in the movie anyways what a long strange trip it’s been and we’re all alright and hello Wisconsin ☮️✌️💖
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Seeing Red and Bob together again was one of my favorite parts of That ‘90s Show
The two of them as Co-Grandpas was too funny. I’d love to see Bob return in season 2!
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joesleftskeleton · 1 year
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Hey y’all !! I got bored and made a That 70s Show quiz, I wanna see who knows their stuff. Plus the regular quizzes online are too basic. I wanted a challenge. So have fun! Lemme know what you think !
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thatseventiesbitch · 4 months
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Welcome back to another installment of That '70s Show original scripts - this time we're looking at S2xE23 "Holy Crap!"
Special shoutout to my hubby, who put this in my stocking for Christmas 😘 (The cast signatures are a reprint, but still very cool!!) There were not a ton of changes to this episode, but as always, read on for my summary.
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The first change is this cut line from Eric after Red's story about his destroyer going down during the war. Eric (feebly) starts a comeback, but decides against it. 🤣
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The next cut moment is Eric talking to God on the driveway when he and Laurie decide to ditch church. Also: 😂
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The dialogue between the guys in the next scene at The Hub is slightly different, though the scene ends up in the same place:
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The ending of this scene is different. After Kitty tells them "if you want to spend eternity doing laps in a lake of fire, that's your choice!", Red tells the kids their mother is right. And that they should sit down and watch the Brewers game and think about it. 😂
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There are two small changes in this scene: Eric's cut line - "Hey, you're both right" - and Donna calling Kelso 'Michael' 😵‍💫
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This cut line was funny - after Hyde's eloquent rant about his views on organized religion and why he doesn't participate/attend church, Eric says, "Yeah, that's what I meant. That and the tie thing."
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There is this cut (mini) Eric/Donna moment: Bob thinks Eric should be at church, confessing to his dirty, dirty sins. 😂 His comment annoys Donna.
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And this one, too! Donna says 'hi' to Eric when they get to heaven 😂🥰
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Red and Kitty's conversation here is a little different. Kitty says Eric is 'living like a rock star' because he's sleeping with the next door neighbor and not going to church *lmao*. Red seems to disagree - he has a cut line about Eric being seventeen, and starting to make his own decisions.
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In the Circle, Eric continues to freak out/disassociate. 🤣
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Then there's this cut moment between Donna and Jackie 👀
Jackie makes it clear she's not taking/hearing Donna's well-intentioned advice to avoid Kelso after he's cheated on her, and claims "now she has to go sleep with him". Donna calls her "dumb - and not regular dumb, like cheerleader dumb".
(I'm personally glad this exchange was cut. Both the Jackie sleeping with Kelso line, and Donna's comment - although I can understand her frustration!)
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Finally, there are two short cut scenes at the end.
In the episode, the last scene is in the Forman living room. Kitty excitedly yells, "Ha! C'mon everybody, the Formans are going to church!"
In the script, the next scene cuts to the Formans and Pinciottis in church, presumably right after that.
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Then there's this cut Leo/Pastor Dave duet, which was supposed to be the credits scene.
I feel robbed!!! I want to see these two characters singing Godspell, damnit! 🤣😂
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That's all she wrote, folks! Thanks for reading along for another one with me, your host, @thatseventiesbitch 😊
Other Scripts I've Posted:
S2xE20 "Kiss of Death" S2xE22 "Jackie Moves On" S2xE26 "Moon Over Point Place" S5xE21 "Trampled Under Foot" S7xE8 "Angie"
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winnie-the-monster · 10 months
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