#asoiaf dr

[respectoughfully]

My Asoiaf DR moodboard

Lord Royce Blackwood | Lord of Raventree Hall | The Blackheart

Son of Lord Quentyn Blackwood and Lady Gillianne Belmore

Husband of Princess Baela Targaryen

Father of Alyssa, Visenna and Alarrick Blackwood

Only once did he put physical strength above composure. It was not the greatest of days, but it was certainly the most memorable among them

The second day of posting about my Asoiaf DR family and this time is all about my father. That's the interesting one because at first I was thinking about the relationship between me and mother, I was sure that I will get stronger bond with her and now I see that I'm closer with my father than I ever expect I will be

#asoiaf dr #asoiafedit #got shifting #house targaryen #house blackwood #Royce Blackwood #Baela Targaryen #Baela daughter of Valarr #asoiaf moodboard #asoiaf shifting #shifting antis dni #shifting community #reality shifting #shifting motivation #nann's shifts #shifting realities #asoiaf #shifting moodboard #dr moodboard

[last-ofthe-starks]

I’m actually elated that THIS BOY who plays Aegon II Targaryen

Is Ty Tennant, the REAL LIFE son of David Tennant who played Dr. Who

Which was previously played by this adorable man, Matt Smith

And who is now our boo thang, Price Daemon Targaryen

Sooooo when is David Tennant making a surprise appearance on the show to bring this whole thing full circle?

#you KNOW Matt and David had so many discussions about Ty joining the cast #house of the dragon #hotdedit #rhaenyra targaryen #daemon targaryen #hotd #gotedit #game of thrones #hotd spoilers #asoiaf #daemon x rhaenyra #David Tennant #Matt smith #Ty Tennant #aegon ii targaryen #aegon ii #dr who

[ladystoneboobs]

Lord Tywin did not, in the end, shit gold.

so, let’s talk about the recurring motif of shit concercerning the lions of casterly rock/king’s landing. the tywin connection is perhaps strongest and most obvious, yet the appearence of either literal poop or poop talk comes up with all the other lannisters too, barring only myrcella and tommen.

i counted at least 9 mentions of the joke about tywin pooping precious metals. (8 in the main series plus 1 in the world book) this includes the title joke in his death scene, and then there are over 10 more references to tywin dying in the privy.

we’ve also got:

one of our first descriptions of joffrey’s bad personality is jon snow’s summation of him as “a little shit”. not literal poop in this case, but i thought the choice of insult was interesting. (in fact, i believe this is the only time that term is used this way. no non-lannister could ever be so shitty.)

tyrion’s first job from tywin being putting him in charge of all of the drains in casterly rock, presumably including the ones from the privies.

tyrion asking “why does a bear shit in the woods?” in response to cat’s question of why littlefinger would lie to her

bronn telling tyrion he won’t “m'lord you every time you take a shit” in the same chapter where tyrion tells the vale mountain clansmen that his “father’s smiths shit better steel” than their weaponry.

walder frey deeming tywin and stannis “both bungholes who think they're too noble to shit” (”think” meaning walder knows better, that tywin does shit and it’s probably just as gross and stinky as frey poop)

tyrion listing “magnificient destriers shit everywhere” as a reason his battlefield days were done (or so he thought) 

tyrion telling varys he should wear his rugen disguise to court and that it would make cersei “soil her smallclothes”

tyrion choosing to poison cersei with laxatives so that she’d be too busy shitting to bother him during court business.

tyrion deeming his predecessors, lords arryn and stark, “too honest to live, too noble to shit” (in this case i think he’s using “too noble” in a different sense than walder frey did, implying that shitting is practical and immoral, like any competant lannister would like to be)

the king’s landing riot on the day of myrcella’s departure starting with multiple clods of dung being flung at joffrey.

joffrey’s crown then being “dung-encrusted” as tyrion attacked him after they escaped the riot

tyrion telling varys and bronn that joffrey was not fit to sit a privy, let alone the throne

catelyn comparing jaime’s honor to the contents of the bucket where he’d been forced to piss and shit in his dungeon cell. an implied shit-for-honor metaphor which he returns to several times, twice in that last chapter with her and repeatedly (at least 7 times, the magic number!) in his own pov.

tywin’s horse taking a shit in the throne room right before he made his grand entrance post-blackwater

tyrion being trapped in a room smelling of “blood and shit and burnt flesh”  when he was warehoused with all the other wounded and dead/dying immediately post-blackwater

tyrion saying cersei treated him like a mushroom on his sickbed post-blackwater because she “keeps me in the dark and feeds me shit”

tyrion thinking of the upcoming royal wedding and its pie, believing that doves especially love to shit on him, a sentiment repeated on the wedding day

a king’s landing urchin trying to throw manure at tyrion, and later tyrion telling sansa they must keep the curtains closed on his litter to avoid those fecal projectiles. (the kingslanders seem to be very fond of dung-throwing since tyrion was told they also threw it at his vale clansmen as they were sent home)

jaime recalling that the mad king shit himself in his last moments (meaning jaime’s kingslaying and tyrion’s kinslaying came with the same odor)

jaime noticing the abundance of horseshit in the stables of the outlaws’ inn he and bri and cleos visit

jaime recounting that brienne had to clean him when he soiled himself in the saddle post-mutilation 

on jaime’s first return to harrenhal he notes “Someone had dug a privy trench in the very spot where he'd once knelt before the king to say his vows.” (gotta love all the obvious symbolism in jaime’s pov. “it was that white cloak that soiled me, not the other way around.”)

tyrion wishing the father’s statue would fall and “crush joff like a dung beetle” during the royal wedding ceremony 

jaime explaining the stink of the capital to his northern escort as “Smoke, sweat, and shit. King's Landing, in short.” (kl being a setting associated with the lannisters, perhaps even moreso than never-seen-yet casterly rock.)

jaime correcting a man at the gates of kl who thought tywin shit silver instead of gold

the hound saying sansa “shit on the Imp's head and flew off.” when learning of her escape

jaime seeing a crow shitting on blessed baelor’s statue as he and cersei spoke to mace tyrell at tywin’s funeral

tyrion seeing a pile of horse dung on the old valyrian road and thinking of his father down in some hell

tyrion telling duck and haldon "Pissing is the least of my talents. You ought to see me shit." as his means of introduction

even kevan gets into the poop game telling jaime "I was hanging outlaws and robber knights when you were still shitting in your swaddling clothes”

cersei then tells jaime that kevan will have his hands full at darry “teaching Lancel how to wipe his arse.”

cersei dreaming of keeping tyrion’s severed head in her chamber pot to pee and poop on

tyrion describing the smell of old volantis: “There's fish in it, and flowers, and some elephant dung as well. Something sweet and something earthy and something dead and rotten.”

tyrion thinkling the mud in the poorest part of volantis was the color of “a baby’s nightsoil”

tyrion noticing dung carts pulled by dung-tattooed slaves and almost walking into elephant dung until jorah snatched him aside

jaime meeting shitmouth on his 2nd return to harrenhal

cersei being disgusted by all the sparrows befouling baelor’s plaza “with their pigs and goats and nightsoil” (nightsoil = human poop euphemism)

jaime recalling merrett frey being branded by wenda the white fawn and “the kettles of shit his fellow squires made him eat once he was returned” (presumably in a figurative sense)

genna telling her husband he could wipe his arse with the deed to riverrun for all the good it did while the blackfish still held the castle

edwyn frey’s plan in jaime’s riverrun war council involving shit-smeared arrows 

jaime describing the freys’ messy siege camp with “raw brown mud, mixed with horse dung and torn up by hooves and boots alike” and only “flies, horse dung, and Ser Ryman's gallows, standing forlorn” left after their departure

tyrion thinking the people laughing at his fall in his and penny’s show on the ship would “have laughed hard enough to shit their breeches along with him[tywin]” if they’d seen him kill his father

then tyrion and penny being trapped during the storm with her dog and ever-shitting pig (and the ship’s creak sounding like “a constipated fat man straining to shit”)

tyrion again experiencing the “stink of blood and shit” in the slavers’ camp amid the bloody flux

tyrion thinking the yunkish supreme comander looked “as formidable as a loose stool” 

tyrion and penny having to clean yezzan’s pools of slimy, bloody shit after he contracted the bloody flux 

doing all that in “a miasma of sweat, shit and sickness inside yezzan’s pavilion” 

one of the second sons offering to behead tyrion and toss his corpse in the latrine pit upon his arrival in brown ben’s tent

cersei smelling the essence of kl upon her release from baelor’s sept: “the scents of sour wine, bread baking, rotting fish and nightsoil, smoke and sweat and horse piss. No flower had ever smelled so sweet.” 

cersei later slipping, during her walk of shame, in “something that might have been nightsoil”. which was probably not so sweet

cersei walking on, after she could see the red keep ahead, through mud and dung, bleeding and hobbling

brown ben plumm telling tyrion he’d have to shit into a bucket bc of too many eyes at the latrines

tyrion telling penny “Fight or hide or shit yourself, as you like, but whatever you decide to do, you'll do it clad in steel."

some of these are just turns of phrase or everybody poops situations included for the sake of comprehensiveness, but i do think the sheer amount of lannister-related poop references is meaningful. does it mean anything that tyrion, as tywin “writ small”, (and tywin’s most unfavorite lannister) is the child of tywin with the most shit references (or is just that he also has the most pov chapters?)? or that cersei, tywin’s other heir (and tyrion’s other abuser) ends up trapped in a privy after being dosed with laxatives by tyrion, and then tywin dies in a privy after being shot by tyrion? or that myrcella and tommen, the most innocent lannisters, are not so associated with shit? 

this imagery does have different meanings with each character. for tyrion it’s usually about his father and society at large shitting on him, for jaime it’s mostly about his solied honor and the dishonorable characters he interacts with, for joffrey and cersei it’s about the common people they disdain reacting to them, bringing them down by dirtying their bodies, human waste connecting the lannisters with those they rule, not so different after all. and for tywin, poop regularly ruins his moments of glory whether it’s his entrance to the throne room, his death failing to shit gold, or his very smelly funeral. but for all of them it is a humanizing element, showing they are just as gross and vulnerable as anyone else. jaime is no golden god, he’s a disabled knight at one point too weak to wipe his own butt in the immediate aftermath of his injury. perhaps that is the real lasting legacy of tywin lannister: a load of reeking shit which can be gilded like gold but never truly mistaken for perfection.  

#valyrianscrolls #asoiaf meta #asoiaf #tyrion lannister #cersei lannister #Jaime Lannister #Tywin Lannister #Joffrey Baratheon #kevan lannister #lancel lannister #genna lannister #Pride of Lions #ive had this sitting in my drafts since pretty much the start of this blog #inspiring to finally finish it by the last season of suck session and all the talk of logan's piss motif #(c)lsb #didn't lj-cuts have an endpoint so you could put a visible conclusion tl;dr below? #anyway i wish tumblr readmores worked like that #long post #sh1tpost

[callmeshiney]

Everyday I thank the Universe for making me a fangirl of a lot of things because imagine how boring life is without obsessing over something. I love living in my fangirl bubble.❤️

#fandom #mcu #lotr #the hobbit #star wars #good omens #hannibal #dr who #game of thrones #harry potter #movies #music #fangirl #sherlock holmes #asoiaf #musicals #tv shows

[ace-ingreality]

Scripting a family tree is so hard when you’re creating an original family especially in medevial times when bloodlines matter.

Like wydm i have to come up with a house name, a whole region, a whole culture, cadet houses and vessaels just to be a lord paramount (also scripting lord paramounts are the terms for houses that are as old as stark, it doesn’t seem fair for old houses just to be referred to as lords when new houses like tully and tyrell are lord paramounts)

#shifting script #scripting #reality shifting #shifting blog #shifting realities #game of thrones #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #got dr

[falllpoutboy]

re: this post of all the things the show got wrong i wish we had gotten the all encompassing soul crushing parentage reveal as something like this

#jon snow #asoiaf #also this scene is even better bc dr manhattan shows laurie visions of the past and the how/why she was conceived #it wouldve been so cool if bran somehow couldve done the same thing with jon

[i-left-my-room-tidy]

ok currently working on that shifting-inspired fanfic i asked about last time and lowkey I'm hella nervous HAHAHA

#it's a crossover if anyone's interested #between three fandoms because i can and because why not #in order of appearance we have: naruto; harry potter; and ASOIAF #ok quick confession but because I've shifted so much to my HP/ASOIAF DR i genuinely keep forgetting they're two separate fandoms #shifting #shifting realities #reality shifting #desired reality #shift #shifting shenanigans #shifting to harry potter #shifting to hogwarts #hogwarts #harry potter #shifting to naruto #naruto #naruto shippuden #ASOIAF #shifting: fanfics #Esther's shifting posts

[potestmagice]

open starter set in this chapter

“Haven’t you learned your lesson? About showing respect?”

The Professor entered Daenerys' tent, his right arm extended in a gripping motion as he magically gripped onto Viserys' throat. He raised him up into the air, letting him gasp for air and dangle his legs. "Now, I want you to leave here and think about it. Otherwise, you might see the fury of a Time Lord,” the Time Lord added, ensuring he never raised his voice. He eyed Viserys carefully, before releasing his hand, letting Viserys drop to the ground. He let out a few gasps of air before getting up and running out of the tent.

#indie fantasy rp #indie rp #indie got rp #game of thrones rp #indie asoiaf rp #dr who rp #indie dr who rp #☆ open starters #☆ interactions ~ first professor

[horizon-verizon]

A year later, in 115 AC, there came a tragic mishap, of the sort that shapes the destiny of kingdoms: the “bronze bitch” of Runestone, Lady Rhea Royce, fell from her horse whilst hawking and cracked her skull upon a stone. She lingered for nine days before finally feeling well enough to leave her bed…only to collapse and die within an hour of rising. A raven was duly sent to Storm’s End, and Lord Baratheon dispatched a messenger by ship to Bloodstone, where Prince Daemon was still struggling to defend his meagre kingdom against the men of the Triarchy and their Dornish allies. Daemon flew at once for the Vale. “To put my wife to rest,” he said, though more like it was in the hopes of laying claim to her lands, castles, and incomes. In that he failed; Runestone passed instead to Lady Rhea’s nephew, and when Daemon made appeal to the Eyrie, not only was his claim dismissed, but Lady Jeyne warned him that his presence in the Vale was unwelcome. Flying back to the Stepstones afterward, Prince Daemon landed at Driftmark to make a courtesy call upon his erstwhile partner in conquest, the Sea Snake, and his wife, the Princess Rhaenys.

Fire and Blood, by George R.R. Martin, pg 374

#daemon targaryen #rhea royce #fire and blood quotes #fire and blood #asoiaf quotes #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #corlys velaryon #rhaenys targaryen #rhaenys and corlys #laena velaryon #a question of succession #dying of the dr #dance of the dragons #rhea's death #rhea royce's death

[respectoughfully]

My Asoiaf DR moodboard

Princess Baela Targaryen | Baela the Blissful | The Youngest Princess | Dragon Witch

Daughter of Prince Valarr Targaryen and Lady Kiera Therrys of Tyrosh

Wife of Royce Blackwood, Lord of Raventree Hall

Mother of Alyssa, Visenna and Alarrick Blackwood

Rider of Stormcloud

That's happend sometimes that the most beautiful of womens is the most fierce of the dragons

Soo that's the first of moodboards I made about my family in my Asoiaf DR. Of course this one is of my beloved mother, the person who raised me to the person I am, the one that shaped the world for for me 💖

#asoiaf moodboard #asoiaf dr #asoiafedit #got shifting #Asoiaf shifting #Baela daughter of Valarr #Kiera of Tyrosh #Valarr Targaryen #targaryen oc #baela targaryen #dr family #nann's shifts #shifting realities #shifting antis dni #shifting community #shiftblr #shifting motivation #dr moodboard #shifting moodboard

[my-reality-my-rules]

are you interested in shifting to hotd?

[thanks for this ask!]

ideally, yes. the dance of dragons era was one of my favourites to read self-inserts about in the past, haha. it's not really a priority, though, or on my top list of ASoIaF DR's. idk how else to say this but I'm mainly shifting for these four things in ASoIaF: ned and robert's brotp, seeing essos and sothoryos, a good adventure...and perhaps the iron throne, too ((:

I'm kidding; but to be honest, having a DR for house of the dragon isn't so bad—it's just not something urgent for me. while I've long gotten over what happened during my accidental shifts to westeros, i still don't have a proper script for it. still just bare ideas, much like my jesus DR 😭😭

#agh fuck i need to update my jesus DR #TY FOR REMINDING- #I'VE PUT IT OFF FOR TOO LONG #shifting #shifting realities #reality shifting #desired reality #shift #shifting shenanigans #got #asoiaf #hotd #shifting to game of thrones #shifting to house of the dragon #shifting to GoT #shifting to HotD #game of thrones #house of the dragon #Esther's shifting posts

[timelordhonour]

A drawing I drew based on this chapter (I can't really draw, though)

That night, the Professor and Daenerys were sharing a bath. Her handmaidens had drawn it to their liking before leaving the two of them alone together. The Professor sat at one end of the tub, with Daenerys at the other. With a washcloth in one hand, he reached for one of her feet and began to wash it gently.

Daenerys looked at him lovingly and sighed as she felt him wash around her foot. “There are times when I want nothing but to lie in bed with you,” she told him, humming as she felt the warmth of the waters beginning to ease the tension around her shoulders.

The Professor nodded thoughtfully. “I would love that,” he stated. Staying in bed with the woman he loved sounded like a good time. Something that he would enjoy. Something that he knew both of them would want. He moved to pick up her other foot to do the same to that one.

As the Professor moved to focus on her other foot, Daenerys felt her toes bump against the side of his feet. Murmuring an apology, she rested her feet upon his legs. She hummed as she let him wash around her other foot, humming more in contentment, and she closed her eyes. It was a vulnerable position for her, but she trusted the Professor and knew that he wouldn’t hurt her or let harm come to her in any way.

“Do you remember when we first met?” She asked him after a while. Her eyes were still closed, but she was smiling.

He smiled as he thought back to that day, moving his hands around her feet and ankles in small, gentle motions. “I do,” he answered. “Back in Pentos. And if I recall, you were quite nervous.”

She let out a contented sigh. “I was. And a couple of days later, when you came to help me. In the Dothraki Sea. Seeing you step out of that travelling box of yours was nothing short of majestic. Especially when that was when I felt I needed you the most,” she told him. “And I guess that was when I knew I liked you.” She didn’t know then that she would ever be in love with him. Back then, it was more of a youthful crush. It wasn’t until they spent more time together that her youthful crush became love. But even then, she had to focus on duty over personal feelings. She clipped a foot out of his grip and poked him on the side of his leg, smiling.

The Professor smiled to himself. The way he had heard Daenerys speak about it, especially when he had come to her aide in the Dothraki Sea, he supposed it would have been majestic. And hearing those words from Daenerys filled his hearts with happiness. He wouldn’t have thought his life would have turned out like this, but he was glad it did.

Feeling her foot against his leg, the Professor looked over at her. “Are you after something?” he asked.

Daenerys had opened her eyes and stared back at him with a playful smirk. “Yes. You,” she said. “Here. Turn around. Let me wash you.” The Professor managed to turn around in the tub, and Daenerys inched closer. A washcloth in her hand, she began to sponge at his back. She watched the water dripping from his back before placing a hand against the skin and leaning her cheek against him. She closed her eyes again, listening to the faint beat of his two hearts and his breathing.

#doctor who #dr who #dr who fanfiction #game of thrones #game of thrones fanfiction #asoiaf fanfiction #my drawing #daenerys targaryen #original character #daenerys targaryen art

[sunfyre-targaryen]

Aegon

sUnfyre

Rhaenyra

Old Town

Rhaena

Alysanne

my name feat. asoiaf

new game? maybe

no pressure tag:

@wolfdressedinlace @hightowerdaughter @dr-aegon @thenameswinter99 @thewindsofwolves @vhagar-balerion-meraxes and anyone who wants to join !!

#house of the dragon #aegon ii targaryen #asoiaf #house targaryen #dance of the dragons #asoif/got

[ace-ingreality]

In my house of the dragon dr me and jace are gonna be a couple, (after rhaenyra the rightful rule) he going to be king, i be king consort (and yes we birth true born heirs, idk how that works yet i might script im afab but idfk)

#hotd #reality shifting #shifting realities #game of thrones #asoiaf #hotd dr

[miapcain]

I feel like you've probably read a lot of medieval history stuff. So have you, and if you have how do you think it impacts your work on vesna? p.s. I'm reading a Medieval Life by Judith Bennett and its an awesome read so far can't recommend it enough

Hello! Thank you for the ask!

I read a lot and have for a while. Vesna is the composite of a LOT of interests of mine, many of them specifically historic and regional. I've always been interested in the medieval period, and I loved Pillars of the Earth when I read it as a teen (still like it, the second book especially, though I take issue with some of Follett's character work). Name of the Rose too, naturally. Recently I've enjoyed Between Two Fires by Christopher Buehlman, and the game Pentiment. I like the ASOIAF books, which are obviously less interested in intricate medievalism than tone and complex political and personal interplay, but imo aren't any worse for it.

In terms of non-fiction, currently reading "Felix Austria" by Stephan Vajda on that front. I love The Once and Future Sex by Dr. Eleanor Janega too. A lot of my process for Vesna involves researching specific points, though- I was trying to find out how exactly rushes worked, and stumbled on a 19th c. text which documents rush-bearing in certain parts of england and goes into the history, for example. I try to read as much of this stuff as I can. The region Vesna is set in doesn't get much materialist history done to it. It's very hard to find out what sort of agriculture was practiced in the hills at the time, for example. Even Felix Austria, a pretty hefty book, mostly brushes over it and says "life was on the whole easier and fruits and crops more abundant than in other parts of europe at the time," which is a bit meagre.

Visually, it's influenced by whatever visual art I consumed recently. I read Dungeon Meshi and fell in love with Ryoko Kui's solid figure drawing and character designs. I read Berserk and fell in love with Miura's landscapes and shading. I played Dark Souls and fell in love with the intricate architecture and tranquil emptiness. I visit ruins and castles here in Austria whenever I can, ideally one a week, and forests and rivers even more. I already mentioned Pentiment, but I have a huge reference folder of 13th century art on my pc. My biggest artistic influence is probably Socar Myles, who does better hatching work and dark fantasy illustration than anyone I've ever seen.

For the character work I would have to point to my best friend Digital Poppy's work. I liked her games before I knew her, and actually getting to talk to her about them (and helping make them!) opened my eyes to what you can have characters do in a story.

I hope this answered your question! Sorry i don't have a specific text to point to!

bonus: Vesna appearing in one of Digital Poppy's games

#asks #vesna asks #vdtwof meta #thank you newarc

[emilykaldwen]

thinking about that talk with @murmel-malt about how george's ages for these kids in F&B is just... a mess. Like we know George keeps his characters young (Look at... 90% of the cast of ASOIAF being like, 20 and under or what have you) and now I'm on a distraction rabbit hole of how do differently?

Which basically boils down to extending Viserys' reign, and then putting larger age gaps between Rhaenyra's children specifically.

But I thought: Okay, let's break this down side by side for everyone else who is staring at these ages in show vs book canon and trying to make sense of it. I want you to know that you're not alone in this, and I hope this could be a helpful resource for making your own narrative decisions.

TL;DR - the show time jumps do not track and make no sense and has weirdly aged people down and also up and so you make your own decisions. I've put my age recommendations at the bottom of the post.

We know Vizzy doesn't care about the health of his wife, since good lord we know what happened to Aemma and the text specifically states it was not only how young she was when she first started getting pregnant, but also the frequency she was getting pregnant/stillbirths. Like that took a toll. Luckily for Book!Alicent, she was 19/20 when she started having children, and could handle that better

We have two years between Aegon and Helaena, and then 1-2 years between Helaena and Aemond depending on when Aemond was born, and then four years between Aemond and Daeron

With Rhaenyra, we have:

Jace was born at the end of 114 (Rhaenyra is 17, and Jace is the same age as Daeron), Luke is specified as late 115, which... doesn't make sense? Like TECHNICALLY, you could get pregnant as early as three weeks after giving birth (I googled a... lot for this) but like really?

(ETA: I'm not saying this doesn't happen, we have it seeming to happen with Aemond and Helaena, it's the same with Bran and Arya, but as I address below, It doesn't seem to fit with Rhaenyra's character)

Westeros has a 12 month calendar. Jace is a december Baby, which means late 115 means... Oct/Nov/December, which means Rhaenyra was pregnant by February with her second kid.

then Joffrey is born in 117, however it doesn't specify what time of year. We just know that when Aemond loses his eye, Joffrey is 3.

Aegon III is born towards the end of 120 (again, Oct/Nov/Dec). We know that Daemon and Rhaenyra married in 120, not even six months after the death of Laena and Laenor, who died early 120 and Laenor not long after. so with this, like, is Aegon a wedding night baby? Had Daemon and Rhaenyra started boning before they married? (I mean, likely). Then Viserys II is born in 122, then we have a seven year gap before Rhaenyra's birth of Visenya.

Like, I'm sorry, but you want me to believe that Rhaenyra Targaryen who watched her mother have miscarriage after stillbirth for the first 10 years of her life wasn't gonna be more careful about this? Like George, just because we didn't have condoms and birth control pills doesn't mean that there wasn't some kind of bc was used (and there's evidence of that in our real world).

(and like I was saying to Mo: I mean at the end of the day, these ages don't matter, since 78% of these kids died and yes I calculated that percentage, and he wasn't thinking about people digging into the age things because at the end of the day, that doesn't matter for the story he's telling)

Which then brings us to the fuzzy show logic:

The Time Jumps As Follows:

Episodes 1-2: over the course of 6 months.

Episode 3: Two Year Time Jump from previous

Episode 4: No time jump specified but Alicent's given birth. Did Rhaenyra only go to Storm's End? In the book she traveled all the way to Casterly Rock.

No time jump is specified from what I could find for Rhaenyra's wedding but to get everyone there for Rhaenyra's wedding, to put together a royal wedding, you need 6 months at least. Given how big baby!Helaena is, we're looking at a 6-10 month time jump. And I'm sorry but by ship, it's taking like, two-three days to sail from KL to Driftmark, and then you have negotiations that last more than a single conversation. So I feel safe in assuming the 6-10 month time jump between Rhaenyra's return/daemon thing to the wedding. (HOWEVER, everything I found claims there's no time jump, but that's literally impossible because people need time to travel to King's Landing as it takes at least two months from Casterly Rock/Oldtown to get to KL)

Aegon is the child we have confirmation for on his age. He is 3 years old when Rhaenyra is married. We know that Helaena, on the show, is exactly two years younger since Alicent is clearly popping any day on Aegon's 2nd birthday.

The Ten Year Time Jump

Aegon - 13

Helaena - 11

Aemond - 10

Jace - ??? Book canon states he's 4 years younger than Aemond, but there's no way Jace is 6 years old.

Luke - 4 years old. AGAIN, there's no way. I cannot confirm an age for the actor (who did a fantastic job) but he's definitely closer to 5 or 6.

Joffrey - NEWBORN vs being 3 years old at the time.

The Six Year Time Jump

Aegon - 19

Helaena - 17

Aemond - 16?????

Jace - ?????

Luke - 14 years old which makes him 8 years old during Driftmark (Luke's age was confirmed as 14 at the end, he was 13 in the book)

Joffrey - 6 years old

In the book: Aemond is 19 years old when Viserys dies, which should make him 19 years old for the final time jump. But instead Aegon is 19/20 years old.

SO HERE IS MY ADJUSTED SUGGESTION

It's just my suggestion, just my opinion, because again, none of this makes sense.

THIRTEEN YEAR TIME JUMP FOR DRIFTMARK

Aegon - 16

Helaena - 14

Aemond - 13

Jace - 10

Luke - 6

Joffrey - I mean you can keep him as a newborn to track but I don't think there's anything wrong with making him 3-4 years old IMO

ETA: adding in, Rhaenyra and Laenor talk about them trying to have a child, which means this actually builds in time for Laenor and Rhaenyra to try make their arrangement work instead of Rhaenyra just fucking off and hooking up with Harwin immediately.

SIX YEAR TIME JUMP FOR FINALE

Aegon - 22

Helaena - 20

Aemond - 18/19

Jace - 16

Luke - 14

Joffrey - 6 years (if newborn) or 10 years old.

Little Aegon - 6

Viserys - 4/5

I myself write a blend of show and book canon, but have tried to stick to show ages/timelines because frankly, more people have watched the show and I wanted to make barrier to entry easier for people. But the show timeline didn't make sense after Episode 5 so... here you go.

ETA: I FORGOT THE DRAGON TWINS but I suggest Baela and Rhaena to be the same age as Jace or Luke. Book!Canon, the dragon twins are the same age as Luke. Take that how you will.

THIS MAKES ALICENT AND RHAENYRA BOTH 17/18 DURING RHAENYRA'S WEDDING, AND 37 AT THE START OF THE DANCE.

#hotd tag #hotd discussion #I'm not sure what else to tag this as #this is just meant to be a helpful resource #and sort of one of those 'no friend you are not crazy thinking that none of this makes sense' #someone in production couldn't math right?? #idek #time jumps are a great idea in theory #but the time jump here just doesn't work