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Lord Royce Blackwood | Lord of Raventree Hall | The Blackheart

Son of Lord Quentyn Blackwood and Lady Gillianne Belmore

Husband of Princess Baela Targaryen

Father of Alyssa, Visenna and Alarrick Blackwood

Only once did he put physical strength above composure. It was not the greatest of days, but it was certainly the most memorable among them

The second day of posting about my Asoiaf DR family and this time is all about my father. That's the interesting one because at first I was thinking about the relationship between me and mother, I was sure that I will get stronger bond with her and now I see that I'm closer with my father than I ever expect I will be

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TARGSOURCE CHARACTER TAGS (part 1)

Ruling Kings and Queens

• King Aegon I the Conqueror

• King Aenys I

• King Maegor I the Cruel

• King Jaehaerys I the Conciliator

• King Viserys I the Peaceful

• Queen Rhaenyra I the Black Queen

• King Aegon II the Usurper

• King Aegon III the Dragonbane

• King Daeron I the Young Dragon

• King Baelor I the Blessed

• King Viserys II

• King Aegon IV the Unworthy

• King Daeron II the Good

• King Aerys I

• King Maekar I

• King Aegon V the Unlikely

• King Aerys II the Mad King

• Queen Daenerys I the Mother of Dragons

Queen Consorts

• Queen Visenya

• Queen Rhaenys

• Queen Alysanne

• Queen Helaena

• Queen Jaehaera

• Queen Naerys

• Queen Rhaella

Princes and Princesses

• Rhaena the Black Bride

• Aegon the Uncrowned

• Viserys the Squire

• Aerea

• Septa Rhaella

• Daenerys daughter of Alysanne

• Aemon the Pale Prince

• Baelon the Brave

• Alyssa

• Septa Maegelle

• Archmaester Vaegon

• Daella daughter of Alysanne

• Saera

• Viserra

• Gael

• Rhaenys the Queen Who Never Was

• Daemon the Rogue Prince

• Aemond One-Eye

• Jacaerys

• Daeron the Daring

• Baela

• Lucerys

• Rhaena of Pentos

• Joffrey

• Jaehaerys son of Helaena

• Aemon the Dragonknight

• Daena the Defiant

• Septa Rhaena

• Elaena

• Daenerys of Dorne

• Baelor Breakspear

• Rhaegel

• Valarr

• Daeron the Drunken

• Aerion Brightflame

• Matarys

• Maester Aemon

• Daella daughter of Dyanna

• Aelor

• Aelora

• Daenora

• Rhaelle

• Vaella

• Duncan the Small

• Maegor son of Daenora

• Daeron the Knight

• Rhaegar the Last Dragon

• Viserys the Beggar King

• Rhaenys daughter of Elia

• Aegon son of Elia

• Jon Snow

#targsource #blog post

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(1/2) What do you think of the theory that Daeron wed any/most of his sons to women with Valyrian(like) features? Aelinor was a cousin & her name possibly suggests a Targ ancestor. Her father may have been Ronnel & his mother Laena Velaryon (hence name of his eldest daughter with Elaena & perhaps their very match). Valarr has a silver streak & blue eyes despite his father's Martell look. His mother Jena may descend from Baela or Rhaena, or even Daena if she was married off to a Dondarrion.

(2/2) Maekar could be wed to any Dornish (or wider Westerosi) woman yet is matched to a Dayne, a house known for their Valyrian-like features (that continued in most of their kids). Whilst as you say, Rhaegel’s marriage to Alys seems to be political, but she could also easily descend from one of the aforementioned princesses. With all this, Daeron sought to strengthen the Targ look among his descendants, especially with the threat of Daemon, his children, & a number of the other Great Bastards.

I find that entirely too speculative for my tastes. First off, Maekar and Aerys both resembled their Targaryen ancestors. Then we have problems with the picks themselves. While Daynes are known for having similar features to the Targs, the Penroses are not, Cortnay possessed red hair. Even with the drop of Targaryen blood, the Arryns seem to feature their signature aquiline noses instead of the Valyrian features and their line went back into the Targaryen line. Valarr’s hair coloration could simply be an expression of his earlier ancestors. If Daeron was looking to return Valyrian coloration and features to his bloodline, he would have looked east to Essos for brides.

I find the political alliances explanation to be a far more complete one. I am certain the idea that Baelor did not look like a Targaryen would have factored into some thinking, but that does not appear to be the significant factor when it comes to deducing the marriage choices that Daeron II made.

Thanks for the question, Anon,

SomethingLikeALawyer, Hand of the King

#daeron ii targaryen #theorybusting

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If Naerys targaryen had died from childbirth? do you think Aegon Iv would have married Barba Bracken? How do you think it would affected Aegor?

Thank you for your very interesting questions, friend anon! The first thing I’d like to do is apologize for not getting to answer your ask sooner, but I was (rather unsuccessfully) settling into a new university semester and I felt like I didn’t have enough time to do it justice. These are two questions that I’ve thought about for awhile.

Question 1: If Queen Naerys had died in childbirth, would Aegon IV have married Barba Bracken?

Aegon IV had only just been crowned king when Naerys and Barba gave birth in 172AC. If one lends credence to the theory that he did in fact poison his father Viserys II to get the throne faster, then he was willing to do anything to gain and keep his kingship. Whether you agree with this speculation or not (I’m half/half myself), Aegon IV’s later behavior indicates he loved being king because he felt it gained him access to pretty much whatever (or whoever) he wanted. However, even he understood there were a few lines he could not cross; he did not, for instance, ever openly take a woman of a Great House to be his mistress even when he was king. His relationship with Daena and possibly with Elaena were mere rumors for years, and the former probably wouldn’t have been acknowledged had Aegon not wanted Daemon. To “defile” a daughter of a powerful House would be to incur the wrath of her family, and a princess also had the same sacred status. He was also rumored to have encouraged Ser Morgil to claim that Daeron was the son of Aemon the Dragonknight, but he never went so far as to openly disown Daeron, which would’ve undermined his hold on power. Therefore, Aegon IV loved being king too much to ever cause a scandal that would anger powerful people.

The question then would be whether or not a marriage to Barba Bracken would have been a severe scandal after Queen Naerys’ death.

A Bracken in general is no suitable match for a king. The designated marriage partners for the heir presumptive to the Iron Throne were either Targaryens or Velaryons themselves (Aenys: Alyssa V Aegon the Younger: Rhaena T, Prince Aemon: half-V Jocelyn, Viserys I: half-T Aemma, Rhaenyra: Laenor V and Daemon T, Jacerys: Baela T, Aegon III: Jaehaera T and Daenaera V, Aelor: Aelora T, Aerys II: Rhaella T), members of a Great House (Prince Aemon: Jocelyn Baratheon, Viserys I: Aemma Arryn, Duncan the Small: Lyonel Baratheon’s daughter), or for political reasons that met the current needs of the regime (Baelor Breakspear married Jena Dondarrion to secure Stormlander support, Valarr and Daeron the Drunkard wed Kiera of Tyrosh to curb Blackfyre support in Essos).

Barba fits none of these criteria. She has no Valyrian blood, was not a member of a Great House, and would offer Aegon IV nothing politically (for example, wedding a Reach or Stormlander lady would help build a long lasting anti-Dornish faction to restart Daeron I’s war. The Brackens were a Riverlander family who attempted to curry favor with the Dornish appeaser, Baelor the Blessed.) There were other queen consorts or mothers of kings who did not meet these criteria either, but their husbands were not expected to become kings, much less were kings at the time. For instance, Betha Blackwood was Aegon V’s queen, but as he was the fourth son of a fourth son, he was allowed to marry for love; even if Aegon IV did love Barba like he said, he never would’ve been able to wed her without scandal, and he certainly loved power more.

 Barba in specific would cause a scandal because of her “bad” reputation as a “ruined woman.” Yes, she was a teenaged girl whose only lover had been the king himself, but having a confirmed extramarital affair while Naerys was still alive (meaning that they had no intention to marry) would have condemned her as a potential traitor in the eyes of the misogynist Westerosi. If she had affairs while still a maiden, what’s to keep her from having them while queen? Any children that she had both before and after her hypothetical marriage would have their paternity called into question. The Westerosi take their adulterous queens very seriously, even when there’s no absolute proof of the adultery.

An Aegon IV/Barba marriage would bear the most similarity to Viserys I wedding Alicent Hightower; it’s a Targaryen king marrying a non-Targaryen, non-Great House woman, the daughter of his Hand, soon after his Targaryen queen died in childbirth with a stillborn son. The Alicent-Viserys I marriage was incredibly scandalous to the king’s Small Council, who advised him against it in favor of a match with the more “suitable" Laena Velaryon, since it had happened only a year after Queen Aemma’s death. Alicent was linked sexually to Daemon the Rogue Prince and Viserys I before her marriage, but these rumors were never proven, so she was a maid at least on paper. The Hightowers are also an incredibly powerful family in the Reach, ruling over one of the largest cities in the Seven Kingdoms, rather than a relatively minor holdfast ravaged by invasions. And of course, the king lacked a male heir. So while their marriage was scandalous, it wasn’t as scandalous as one between Barba and Aegon IV would be.

Based on the cases of other kings’ marriage, I believe that Aegon IV would not have married Barba for fear of creating a scandal that would undermine his power. The marriage would have offered him nothing politically, and instead would have angered his allied lords for choosing a “promiscuous,” relatively unimportant lady rather than one of their own daughters who had relatives who had fought in Daeron’s Dornish war. To say nothing at what it would do to his enemies, as Da3ron’s faction absolutely would see this as an attempt to undermine their prince’s ascension.

Question 2: How do you think it would have affected Aegor?

Suppose that Aegon IV’s need for a legitimate son other than Daeron was so great that he was willing to ignore the uproar it would cause amongst his allies and marry Barba. Would their illegitimate child become legitimate now that they were married?

According to tWoI&F co-writer Elio Garcia, a story about legitimizing natural children written by GRRM was cut: Apparently a young Lord Hightower took up with his widowed stepmother. They declared their intention to marry, but the High Septon refused to wed them. They continued to live as man and wife and have several children until the High Septon finally relented and agreed to wed them, thus retroactively legitimizing their offspring without them having to apply to the king. So it is semi-canon (although considering how many continuity errors have been recently introduced into the series, they may decide to go back on this one too -_-) that at least in some instances, the illegitimate children of a union will become legitimate if their parents married. It seems to depend on the High Septon’s willingness to marry them, which Aegon IV could easily buy/threaten/kill off the Septon and replace him with a more tractable one. Thus I believe that had Aegon and Barba wed, Aegor would have been legitimized.

Aegor Rivers becoming Prince Aegor Targaryen, second in line for the Iron Throne, would have made him an almost completely different character. He doesn’t have any cause to hate the Targaryens or Blackwoods, as Aegon IV never sent Barba away  in favor of Melissa on Daeron and Aemon’s advice. Although I don’t think Aegon IV would have been faithful to Barba, I doubt he would’ve taken up with Melissa, so Bloodraven wouldn’t even have been born; furthermore, with their daughter already queen, Lord Bracken would not have pushed Bethany into Aegon IV’s bed, so she would stil be alive (yay!) As a legitimate prince, even if Aegor was absolutely rotten, Daeron would have been obliged to provide for him in terms of land, a court position, or even a diplomatic assignment at last resort. I don’t doubt, though, that Aegor still would have been resentful of those who slandered his mother for being a “scheming whore;” in addition, considering that Barba “replaced” Naerys very quickly as queen, the relationship between Aegor and Daeron would have still been cold and distant at best. Hilariously, Daemon would have spent his life as Daemon Waters, the natural son of Daena Targaryen, having never been acknowledged or legitimized on account of Prince Aegor’s presence; perhaps instead of turning to Bloodraven to undermine Daemon like in OTL, Daeron may instead have turned to his cousin Daemon to undermine Aegor’s potential influence. So Aegor would have been much less resentful, granted some land or important position, wouldn’t’ve had to deal with his rival Brynden, but still would bear grudges to those who mistreated Barba. Whether that was enough to make him give credence to the rumors that Daeron was Aemon’s son and join with the rebels depends on whether he agreed with them with regards to the Dornish treaty as well as Daeron’s mismanagement of the kingdom and dubious paternity. That all depends on how he saw the Reach and Stormlords during his childhood in King’s Landing, many of whom might have been the same lords who mocked his mother.

I hope this answers your questions, anon. It was a really fun exercise!

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My Asoiaf DR moodboard

Princess Baela Targaryen | Baela the Blissful | The Youngest Princess | Dragon Witch

Daughter of Prince Valarr Targaryen and Lady Kiera Therrys of Tyrosh

Wife of Royce Blackwood, Lord of Raventree Hall

Mother of Alyssa, Visenna and Alarrick Blackwood

Rider of Stormcloud

That's happend sometimes that the most beautiful of womens is the most fierce of the dragons

Soo that's the first of moodboards I made about my family in my Asoiaf DR. Of course this one is of my beloved mother, the person who raised me to the person I am, the one that shaped the world for for me 💖

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