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rise-my-angel · 2 months

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Rhaegar stans are weak. They refuse to beleive they love a character who is a monster. Try being a Euron Greyjoy stan. I wanna kill Euron with my bare hands because he's never done a good thing in his life. Still one of my favorite characters though.

Have never defended him once in my entire existence.

Be brave enough to admit you stan an asshole, don't be a coward. Be proud you love an immoral monster.

#game of thrones #a song of ice and fire #asoiaf #euron greyjoy #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti rhaegar stans #anti rhaegar x lyanna #anti rhaelya #anti rhaelya stans #anti targ stans #anti targaryen

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thewitchqueenofharrenhal · 3 months

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I need that picture that says I don’t stand with all women because some of you bitches are very dumb lmao.

Like Rhaegar was white and hot so I’m not surprised the girlies are constantly caping for him, but like why are yall proud of making him worse in your headcanons 😭😭😭

Instead of making him the tortured by prophecy main character syndrome trying to save the world and take care of everything and everyone around him - yall reduce him to grown ass man who repeatedly slept with a woman who he abused for his own means? Putting her health constantly at risk because he wanted to? And then forced her to have children who he hated along with her and happily left them to die or planned to disinherit because uwu he had true love with the so so beautiful 14 year old 😭 who he also left to die 😭 damn the realm he supposedly cared about, damn his momma who was getting repeatedly abused by his psycho daddy, damn his siblings - that man was only thinking with his *peen* and yall are proud of it? 🫣

#anti rhaegar targaryen #anti Rhaelya stans

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katshuya · 2 months

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If Elia and lyanna's positions were reversed

If Rhaegar left his willful, tomboyish, and not like other girl wife for assumingly more feminine, Elia, would the reaction be the same?

Would R x L shippers say it's not their fault and we shouldn't blame R or E because R's marriage was forced to Lyanna?

That we just hate Elia being a girl who chooses who she wants to be with?

Or was it going to be a man who can't bear a woman being independent and strong and feeling challenged because Lyanna has a strong personality?

Would they say that Lyanna wouldn't mind as long as her child is heir and she gets to be queen and get rid of her jerk husband? or would it be humiliating for her?

Or maybe they would say Lyanna wouldn't mind because she is Brandon's sister as Elia is Oberyn's sister, and she is too independent her rough northern self doesn't care if her husband left her ? since she absolutely doesn't love him and because complicated relationships mean zero attraction/love and zero attempts to love each other

Would they say that it is alright because Rhaegar and Elia can be together? or are they going to blame Elia's Dornish nature for thinking she can be with a married man because she sees nothing is wrong with having bastards nor being with a married man? Are they not going to slut shame Elia?

Would they blame Lyanna's impulsive and more tough self for Rhaegar leaving her? like how it's justified that since Elia isn't as fiery or healthy as Lyanna for Rhaegar to leave her? or would they blame Elia for seducing Rhaegar with her more feminine and more allegedly submissive AND her seductive Dornish nature?

Would they write fanfiction about how Rhaegar prefers more feminine delicate desert flower than willful impulsive winter rose like how they do with Elia? Or maybe in their fanfictions, Elia's thrones would represent the stings she caused for Lyanna?

Would they accept the North not being angry and hateful with the Targaryens like how the Dornish shouldn't because the Dornish understand true love and don't mind mistresses or second wives at all in all scenarios?

Would people think Elia was kidnapped and raped? or are they going to be sure that it was consensual since Elia was adult and the sterotypical seductive Dornish, who doesn't mind mistresses and taking married man as lover?

Would they be it's fine because True Love! ? Or would they be furious for Lyanna because she helped and gave Rhaegar everything only to end up overshadowed by Elia?

Would they accept it if George's made it thay Lyanna was fine with Rhaegar having Elia because Lyanna was forced to marry Rhaegar and she and him have a very understanding paltonic love to the point Lyanna care not for her dignity nor all that she gave because she only cares for her child to be king and herself to be queen? Maybe Arthur Dayne, the knight who took his vows seriously, would break them to be Lyanna's lover in this scenario, so everything is ok?

Would they doubt that Rhaella ever cared deeply for Lyanna and Ashara was actully never close to her and just one of many handmaidens, as they do with Elia? Would they say it is because Lyanna is so minor and just a plot device for the North to hate the Lannisters, like how they did this with Elia and Dorne?

Or perhaps Lyanna would be fine because she wants Elia too?

Would the fandom be as apologic with Elia as they are with Lyanna in case she eloped willingly and say that she was totally faultless? and shouldn't be held accountable because of "girl's girl" and "don't put woman against woman," so no accountability? Or that Elia was manipulated by Rhaegar?

And Rhaegar, would the fandom see him as blameless/not that guilty as they see him when he left Elia? Would they also sympathize with the melancholic prince and say: let the poor man have a break and be with his true love! ?

is it a work of art and star-crossed lovers between Rhaegar and Elia in their eyes now? And as someone said, a progressiveness?

Or Would they criticize George for doing this to the cool willful not like other girls Lyanna?

Anyone associated with polygamous culture knows how unrealistic it is for Elia to accept a second wife without being upset about it and has no other choice. And we all know that most will not just be unbothered by it. Women in polygamous/polymorous culture do/would not simply accept it, and when they do, they aren't happy and ok with it. We are humans, and the Dornish are humans, too.

That's just in George's head.

#asoiaf #elia martell #game of thrones #anti rhaegar #anti rhaegar x lyanna #elia deserves better #rhaegar targaryen #lyanna stark #lyanna isn't faultless #a song of ice and fire #anti rhaelya #anti r x l #anti rhaelya stans #GRRM critical

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lizzie-queenofmeigas · 2 months

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From F&B/ASOIAF: Your favorite ship (canon or not)? Your least favorite ship? Your favorite character? Your least favorite character? Which character do you think deserved better?

I have three favourite ships in the asoiaf world:

1_Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen

2_Rhaenyra Targaryen and Daemon Targaryen

3_Jon Snow and Daenerys Targaryen

My least favourite ship is Jonsa. Normally I don't care about crackships, but their stans take it too far.

Daenerys Targaryen is my queen, she is mother, she is our lady and saviour who will deliver us from the darkness.

Honestly I think is Sansa, I didn't care for her while reading the books or even watching the show, but her stans made me hate her.

Rhaenyra deserved better.

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fromtheseventhhell · 4 months

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The majority of Rhaegar/Lyanna stans here are minding their own business but for certain people here (especially "martell stans") is not enough

They keep bashing these characters and they are acting as if they are "oppressed" by Rhaegar's stans

It's boring

This is sooooo true, and why I find Elia/Martell stans to be so annoying even though I love several Martell characters (same with house Stark stans tbh). They love throwing stones and then hiding their hands. They put their hate in the main tags and call Rhaegar a pedophile/rapist/racist/abuser/etc., Lyanna a spoiled brat/heartless temptress, and shit talk shippers cause they think the fanon they invented justifies it but the second a Rhaelya gives a fraction of that energy back, they play the victim. Cause you're right, it's not enough for them. At the root of it, they're forever going to be mad that Rhaegar, Lyanna, and their relationship are popular + important to the story. They swear they don't care but then they never shut up about them. Just another case of people wanting to be morally superior and getting pissy when things don't go their way.

#ask #anon #anti martell stans #rhaelya #some people get in this fandom and want to stan characters as a form of activism and that's why they're always going to be miserable #as much as I love the themes and messages attached to my favorite characters at the end of the day I love them because #I think they're well written and interesting to read about not because of how /moral/ they are #and I'm sure as hell not stanning them to use to attack other characters and it's so pathetic how people do that #the hate against Lyanna is how you know it has nothing to do with the story cause they go out of their way to be misogynistic towards her #they think Rhaegar is the devil himself and kidnapped her but they still always make time to insult her anyways #then they act shocked when Rhaelyas get fed up and say /fuck elia/ 💀😭

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fvckinaphrodite · 1 year

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everytime i see rhaegar and rhaelya worshippers making up takes and theories i just wanna gauge their eyes out. you bitches are the vilest delulus when it comes to elia and her children. gtfo and kys already❗❗❗

#elia martell deserved better #may yall rhaegar and rhaelya stans burn in seven hells bcs wtf is this shit #pro elia martell #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti rhaegar x lyanna #anti rhaelya #asoiaf #got #elia martell #elia martell defence squad

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darklinaforever · 4 months

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Me, when people try to claim that Rhaegar was a bad person and the relationship with Lyanna was toxic / kidnapping / raping...

These people really don't know how to read.

Also, there would have been a mess in Westeros even without the romance of these two. You have to stop the bullshit after a while.

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la-pheacienne · 1 year

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Greens stanning Targaryens such as Aegon II and Aemond will never not be funny considering 99% of them are Targ antis. Like how does this even work…for example they bash Rhaegar, claim he raped Lyanna and kidnapped her yet Aegon is a canonically confirmed rapist both in the show and F&B (they insist he isn't in the book though, for example that user even called him a "decent husband by Westerosi standards" in another post lmaooo) and Aemond is a psycho war criminal who took a woman whose family he killed (they claim she was fine with it because they hated her for being a bastard) into his bed as a war prize yet they insist the relationship between him and Alys was a tragic love story and "the healthiest relationship in F&B" (according to some shippers), it's no wonder why some thought it was them on the 2024 ASOIAF calendar and not Rhaelya. At this point I think they might be trolling everyone else because there's no way they genuinely believe the things they write.

Enjoy this and also this. And they do genuinely believe the things they write.

#hotd #house of the dragon #anonymous #alys rivers #fire and blood #rhaegar targaryen #rhaelya

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saltywinteradult · 3 years

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This fandom will really look at the Targaryens — a dynasty of blonde, blue eyed nobles who used the fantasy equivalent of nukes to subjugate an entire continent, who spent 300 years getting countless people killed in wars they started over who should sit on the throne, who actually canonically believe that they are superior to all other human beings, who practice incest to keep their bloodline ”pure”, whose family name literally has the word ”aryan” in it — and think ”hmm, yes. These people are definitely the heroes of the story.”

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rise-my-angel · 18 days

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It is much easier for me to believe that Lyanna was manipulated by Rhaegar in some way, if not outright kidnapped. You won't believe me but I have seen people argue that since we know her personality was like Arya's so how could she "allow" herself to be kidnapped 🤦🤦 as if Arya doesn't get kidnapped so many times. The biggest evidences though for Rhaegar being a sinister figure are found all over Sansa's story. Bael-ish kidnaps Sansa, Joffrey sings a song for her and Marillion offers to make a song for her, calling her a rose, and all these men sexually assaulted her. Tyrion on their wedding, wears rubies and he forcibly married her.

My best guess for what actually happened is that the only way in which Lyanna "allowed" herself to get kidnapped, was by not pulling out a sword she didn't have/was not trained to even use, and fight back against grown men trained in combat.

So, here's my theory:

What likely happened, (in my opinion just to cover my ass), is that Rhaegar at the tourney at Harrenhal gifts the crown of love and beauty to the already betrothed 14 year old Lyanna, since he likely knows that Elia will not be able to have more children after Aegon is born, considering she known to be prone to illness and was in medical distress for some months after giving birth to Rhaenys. And at this point he is obsessed with this prophecy and he thinks he needs three heads of a dragon, i.e three children born of his line. And he will need a third child from someone after Elia can't give him more. So, he chooses Lyanna and has to bide his time.

It isn't an unreasonable guess to say that it probably was becoming more well known that Lyanna didn't want to marry Robert due to his irresponsible appetite for bedding many women. It makes sense people could put that together, Lyanna is dedicated to her family and Robert would undoubtedly be unfaithful their entire marriage. If Rhaegar has developed an obsession with her being the one to provide him that third child, it makes sense he learns she is unhappy in her betrothal.

Likely somewhere around the Vale is where this happened, considering the timeline of where all of the Starks currently were at the time she disappeared. So when she is in the south, Rhaegar has a lot more resources to do this. So he waits for a time Lyanna is alone and approaches her. Now she's just a 15 year old girl now suddenly alone with the Crown Prince, likely as intimidated as she is a little star struck considering who he is. Rhaegar needs to lure her away far enough that she won't just run for help. So he promises that as the prince, he can help legally break Lyannas unhappy betrothal for her but does not tell her how.

Offer her something she wants without details and get her to come with him. By the time Lyanna likely put together this isn't what she thought it was and that she's too far away from her family to be safe, is when the actual kidnapping occurs. She goes with him willingly thinking he wants to just help her with something in her life, with no way of knowing he was about to separate her from her family.

By the time Lyanna realizes she is in a bad situation, she's too far away from anywhere she knows to get help and has no choice but to go with him. She is 15 years old, she's just a girl now fearing for her life if she tried to run or fight now. And by the time he takes her to Dorne, he keeps her in a tower with three of the best Kingsguard to ensure she does not escape and no one comes to get her out. He then stays there until he knows shes pregnant, a situation she also likely did not fight back on because of how isolated and powerless she already is here. She is all alone, fighting back could mean her life.

Then of course, word gets out of what Rhaegar has done, Brandon Stark, who has no way of knowing he's taken her to Dorne, goes to Kings Landing to try and demand his sisters return, accompanied along with their father to help and the rest is history.

Make no mistake. They never spoke before that day.

Rhaegar was the Prince and heir to the Iron Throne, who is married to a Dornish Princess and now has 2 children of his own including his own son and heir. Lyanna is a 14-15 year old girl, and the firstborn daughter of a major Northern house who live a thousand miles apart in completely different regions of the country. They would NEVER have been able to share any correspondence together and no one knew or would have found out long before that day.

Ravens dont just fly to the person the letter is for, it goes through a system of people, usually a Maester who facilitates the incoming and outgoing letters, who then either himself or a squire, hand delivers the letter to the correct person. Note most times especially in the first season, when important letters are delivered to the Starks its by either Maester Luwin or Grand Maester Pycelle, and the letters seals have already been opened, hence why they know who to deliver the letter to. Example: How would Luwin have known the letter at the start of the series was from Lysa or how would he have known it specifically was for Catelyn if he did not have to open it first to read its contents to find out.

SOMEONE in the Stark household would have realized that the 14-15 year old Lyanna was receiving letters from the Prince, if not just someone important from Kings Landing, and stepped in then and there. And if he wrote her out of the blue, the first thing Lyanna would have done was tell her family that the PRINCE had sent her a letter. We know the Starks are all very honest with each other, if he wrote her out of the blue, she would've told her brothers.

Also, there are spies everywhere in Kings Landing. If Rhaegar was sending secret letters, someone would've found that out and to whom. Note Catelyn had said she doesn't trust a raven to carry the words to Ned about the attempt on Brans life, or her saying Lysa's head would be on a spike if the wrong person read her letter about the Lannisters. Meaning even she well knows that it is very easy for letters to get into the wrong hands.

Someone (lets be real, probably Varys) would have learned Rhaegar was sending letters to Lyanna. Which in the well over a decade after her death, would have said something to SOMEONE that they were sharing correspondence. Davos line in season 2 of "Lord Varys knows what you had for breakfast three days ago. There are no secrets here." Is clear cut enough to imply that even a man who grew up in Flea Bottom, knows that if you live in Kings Landing, Lord Varys knows you and your secrets already.

Rhaegar was not sending secret letters to Lyanna and no one knew or no one said anything in the conflict that followed or in the decades since.

Lyanna did not run away nor go to him willingly, she would have no way to even communicate with the Crown Prince and heir to the Iron Throne without a single soul learning that information. Her family would have found out and the Starks would have done something about it then and there.

Lyanna likely went with him thinking that he was taking her somewhere reasonable to help her legally end a betrothal she didn't want, not knowing it meant he was taking her away from her family and by the time she realized, she was likely too powerless and in lands she's never been in before to try and run.

Also Lyanna deeply cares about her brothers. The story of the Knight of the Laughing Tree is all the evidence needed to show that she is deeply loving and loyal to her family and the people of the North. She would not run from them just beacuse of a betrothal she didn't like, she loved her brothers dearly.

She was taken from them. She was tricked into walking into a kidnapping under false pretenses. Rhaegar was a fully grown man in a position of great power who used Lyanna's young naivety and venerability to his advantage.

Lyanna did not need to be carried away kicking and screaming for it to still be a kidnapping.

Also the idea that Lyanna did not want to marry Robert because he already had bastards and slept around, would leave her entire life and family behind to run away with a man who is married with 2 children is braindead.

And if I even hear the word annulment, I will explode into rage like I'm Oberyn Martell's fucking head.

#shoutout to miniaturewizardstudentsworld for helping fill in some missing details of this theory for me #im gonna risk tagging but it if the tags suddenly disappear #it means someone happened in my inbox okay we all know the drill on this blog by now #game of thrones #a song of ice and fire #asoiaf #lyanna stark #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti rhaegar #anti rhaegar stans #anti rhaegar x lyanna #anti rhaelya #anti targ stans #long post

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thewitchqueenofharrenhal · 1 year

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The rapid Targ stans are something else. I just saw some idiot on the Doran Martell tag claim that the Martells are just so hard up for the Targaryens that Doran would marry Arianne to Jon Snow if he knew he was Targaryen. Like the humiliation, betrayal, and abandonment of his sister, her children, and deaths of hundreds of Dornishmen isn't enough. Pretty sure they would claim Lyanna would still be in love after the murders of her family and Ned would be chill about it. Christ on a cupcake.

Boring, same old, dragged out discourse. GRRM in his own blog many years ago referenced Doran's anger at Elia's treatment and the reason why Dorne wasn't very willing to fight for Rhaegar/Aerys. Daenerys, Viserys and frankly even Jon Snow are not guilty in the slightest for the actions of Aerys & Rhaegar and House Martell has no real reason for having anger towards any of them. I guess the folks constantly screeching about anger being "misplaced" expected what? House Martell to align themselves to House Lannister or House Arryn or Baratheon? Daenerys & Viserys were innocent victims and even then if they read the books they'd know while Doran was seeking to wed Arianne to Viserys he was perfectly content waiting for Viserys to amass himself an army - House Martell pretty blatantly left Dany & Viserys to their own devices - Something Daenerys was smart enough to clock. Finally they totally say Lyanna would be fine with the loss of her family members LOL. According to these Stans she despised her entire family and her life revolved around Rhaegar and only Rhaegar. She would have been happy to die for him.

#anon #anti rhaelya stans #house martell

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katshuya · 1 month

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wtf

elua did not deserve the winter rose crown at all!! it belongs to queen Lyanna Stark! your fake princess exists just to get between the best ship like the brown whore she is. there is no mention of flowers and elus in same sentence yet i see you fans draw her with flowers that rightfully belong to queen Lyanna. shows how desperate your side are. elia never lifted a finger to save even herself much less anyone else. why should she get crown over Lyanna, when flowers as motif belong to Lyanna (and Arya, yet sandra fans keep using it too in fake ugly arts).

Do you see this shit, people?

I love how they expose their true colors while hiding who they are.

The obvious hate for Elia in their posts as they pretend to try to give her identity by saying she only cared about becoming Queen and her son the next king while also saying Ashara probably loved more lyanna and was simply just one of many handmaidens for Elia and Rhaella probably wasn't close to Elia.

Yes, winter rose is lyanna's. I was talking about the crown, you idiot. So what? It doesn't change the fact that even your oh so great self insert, not like other girls character was reduced to glorified womb. Greenseer or not. With Rhaegar's love or not. It's not pretty at all.

But I guess that means nothing to you compared to screwing Rhaegar in your imagination.

Elia wasn't able to save herself, no thanks to your stupid prince charming, but your dear lyanna didn't save herself either. In fact, Rhaegar is also to blame for what happened to her, as well as she was complicit in her fate, too.

Elia will always exist to show how much this ship is disgusting, selfish, and cruel. That's why you are so angry. Otherwise, why did you say Elia was there just to get in between your self insert perfect ship where Rhaegar is in love with you?

You all know it shows the ugliness of this ship. Oh, sorry! I mean the GrEYnEss.

You want to blame someone and then blame the author.

Because Elia being there shows not only Rhaegar as a selfish monster but it doesn't paint lyanna as a nice girl at all if she went willingly no matter how much GRRM would talk about what a lovely winter rose she was. Age can excuse actions to how far?

Get out and touch a grass. How long can this fantasy of special oh so different girl swinging sword and making most handsome men fall for her and other girls jealous of her could continue to please you? If anything, it's making you mad because of how badly written it is.

A reminder, Sansa is Arya's sister, you ugly heart. I doubt your Arya would be happy reading what you wrote.

#anti rhaegar #elia martell #anti rhaegar x lyanna #lyanna isn't faultless #game of thrones #lyanna stark #rhaegar targaryen #elia deserves better #a song of ice and fire #anti grrm #anti rhaelya stans #anti rhaelya

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dcvahkiin · 2 years

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did @ user mxrgaery just call martell fans racist... as opposed to the you know who's that shit on elia all the time for getting in the way of their white ass pedo ship...

#i say this as a POC too #anti rhaelya #anti rhaegar x lyanna #anti rhaegar stans #anti rhaegar targaryen #pro elia #pro elia martell #pro martell #elia martell #text #anti elia antis #anti elia martell antis

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thedragonqueenofravka · 2 years

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Honestly I’m convinced Rhaelya shippers hate on Elia Martell for pure clout at this point, lmao it’s so transparent. Sorry no one likes the ship where the 24 year old man stole a 14 year old little girl to lock her up in a tower until she got pregnant for a prophecy baby and she died because of his lack of care.

#anti rhaelya #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti rhaegar x lyanna #stans

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distraughtlesbian · 3 years

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rhaegar targaryen, his stans, people who think rhaelya in canon is healthy or romantic, and the dumbshit idiots who use his actions as an excuse to hate on daenerys ↓

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#say it with me kiddies: i don’t care if the rumour about rhaegar abducting and raping lyanna isn’t true. i don’t care if she went with him #willingly or felt trapped by her impending marriage to robert.#16 year olds are children and rhaegar was a whole grown man. rhaelya isn’t romantic because relationships between teens and grown men aren’t #romantic !!!#assuming r+l=j is true rhaegar is in fact a rapist point blank period end stop #i’ll say it as many times as i need to: 16 years olds are children 16 year olds are children 16 year olds are children #they cannot consent to sex with adults !!!#before anyone comes at me i hold this exact same viewpoint for every grown man who’s ever married or had sex with a teen in asoiaf #they’re all fucking nasty and can burn in the seven hells <3 lyanna and elia you deserved better than that naked mole rat of a man #maeve speaks #rhaegar targaryen #lyanna stark #elia martell #anti rhaegar x lyanna #anti rhaegar stans #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti rhaelya #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #asoiaf/got #pro daenerys #pro dany #daenerys defense squad #daenerys deserved better #the queensguard #like. this isn’t to say that i think lyanna is stupid or easily manipulated #what i AM saying is that she was a young girl. like objectively she was not an adult. she died at 16. ned himself calls her a ‘child-woman’#yes lyanna had agency and her own thought process and internal life. she’s also 16 years old.

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catofoldstones · 3 months

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It is explicitly stated that Rhaegar first thought himself to be the the prince that was promised, then Dany had a vision in which Rhaegar said his son Aegon was the prince that was promised and that a dragon had to have three heads and there must be one more. He had two children with Elia: Aegon and Rhaenys. The original dragon trio were Aegon, Rhaenys and Visenya. What's not clicking? Do these people even read? He thought he was the savior, then shifted to his son, then either 1) he wanted another sister for Aegon and went for Lyanna since Elia couldn't have more kids 2) thought the prince that was promised had to have both Stark and Targaryen ancestory (a song of ice and fire).

No, no they don’t read anon, because then how would they come up with ideas such as “there was no prophecy, it’s a fanon interpretation” and declare it with their whole chest? The same prophecy that is connected to one of the biggest plots, that is yet to be unveiled, and has had people in a frenzy for the past one and a half decades. A prophecy that was explicitly mentioned in affc

“Sam, we tremble on the cusp of half-remembered prophecies, of wonders and terrors that no man now living could hope to comprehend …”

Samwell IV, A Feast For Crows

“No one ever looked for a girl,” he said. “It was a prince that was promised, not a princess. Rhaegar, I thought … the smoke was from the fire that devoured Summerhall on the day of his birth, the salt from the tears shed for those who died. He shared my belief when he was young, but later he became persuaded that it was his own son who fulfilled the prophecy, for a comet had been seen above King’s Landing on the night Aegon was conceived, and Rhaegar was certain the bleeding star had to be a comet.”

Samwell V, A Feast For Crows

So what’s not clicking?

Can I also talk about how entitled and proud Rhaegar is to think the prophecy was about him and then definitely his son. Bro couldn’t fight to save his life but knew he was tptwp, and then went ahead and toppled a continent because of his ego. He ruined Elia and Lyanna’s lives, plunged the realm into a civil war, got his own house destroyed, KILLED HIS OWN CHILDREN and for what? To satisfy his own arrogance? For self-adulation and admiration? There is literally no greater cause here. How do you read a prophecy of all things, and think yup, this is 100% about me, I’m the chosen one, the special prince, who was talked about for centuries, the prophet, the one who’ll save lesser beings than myself from their doom, yup that’s me. Targ arrogance goes hard. Jfc.

There’s a lot of speculation about why Rhaeghar went after Lyanna. The whole “and his will be a song of ice and fire” does sort of fit as a reason Rhaegar would give himself for going after Lyanna, apart from the fact that he just found a gullible young girl at the tourney who had also done something that would bring her a lot of opprobrium (knight of the laughing tree) and saw his opportunity. Lyanna wanted a life of freedom, and Rhaegar promised it to her, and then took away everything from her, her family, her agency, and in the end her life, locked away in a tower. He did that because he could do that, and then give any reason for it because he’s the last heir to the Targaryen crown (at that time). But the other shoe did drop, there were consequences to his egregious actions, and the cocksure idiot hadn’t prepared for that.

Though as a reader, I would argue that the “ice” counterpart is not House Stark but rather the white walkers. The “ice” and “fire” analogues, for me, are the others and stannis and his red witch and the rhollor worshipers and, later, the targaryens with their dragons. I don’t think grrm (4:55) was referring to the starks as the ice because there are other northern houses as well, and would they be counted as the ice too? Anyway, it could be said that Rhaegar did either want another daughter (visenya) for the three heads of the dragon or had completely abandoned that idea by the time he met Lyanna, and decided that their son would be tptwp.

Either way, fuck rhaegar for all of eternity and then some.

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