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He missed his true brothers: little Rickon, bright eyes shining as he begged for a sweet; Robb, his rival and best friend and constant companion; Bran, stubborn and curious, always wanting to follow and join in whatever Jon and Robb were doing. He missed the girls too, even Sansa, who never called him anything but "my half brother" since she was old enough to understand what bastard meant. And Arya...he missed her even more than Robb, skinny little thing that she was, all scraped knees and tangled hair and torn clothes, so fierce and willful. Arya never seemed to fit, no more than he had...yet she could always make Jon smile. He would give anything to be with her now, to muss up her hair once more and watch her make a face, to hear her finish a sentence with him.
AGoT, Jon III
Jon's so lonely that he even misses Sansa 🤣 With all his other siblings, he remembers their good memories, but he has no fond memories of Sansa, so he goes with the only memory he has: her belittling him because he's bastard-born. Interesting parallel, in Sansa's third POV, which I think is the first time she thinks of Jon since they left Winterfell, she thinks of him as her bastard half-brother. Not even in her thoughts does she give him much respect. She could have referred to him as just Jon, or her brother, but no. He is her bastard half-brother.
And then there's Arya, Jon's beloved Arya. Who he dedicated half the paragraph thinking about. Robb was his best friend and constant companion, but Jon misses Arya more. She's that important to him. It's also interesting that Jon specifically mentions loving Arya for her "scraped knees and tangled hair and torn clothes, so fierce and willful," which is something that Sansa looks down on Arya for. She's constantly talking about how Arya's attire is embarrassing to her and how she would prefer Arya not be present so she wouldn't ruin a perfectly good day. But Jon loves Arya for it. He misses Arya, and he misses that about her.
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happymixxx · 27 days
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sansa - blabbing something about daenerys, her army and dragons bla bla what dragons eat anyway whatever
daenerys - sweetie, do you want us to leave? you think you can beat the dead army without us? one more word and we're out
sansa -
curtain.
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exactlygeneralsalad · 3 months
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I am a stark sisters enemies stan. I hope when they come head to head, arya doesn't forgive sansa for the way sansa has treated arya all her life, all the bullying and namecalling that made arya have self esteem issues, she doesn't deserve arya. I hope arya gives her the same enegy. And they never reconsile. I hope they fight to death. And arya winning of course. But i hope arya doesn't forgive sansa ever!
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allovesthings · 8 months
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I don't really want to start anything right now but I do have a problem with people telling us that we are doing the suffering Olympics when we point out that Sansa is privileged compared to everyone else throughout the story.
Because here is the thing, nobody is trying to diminish what she went through, it's horrible and no 12 to 14 year old should go through this. Sansa being forced to marry Tyrion is in my top 10 of most harrowing chapters of the books. It's awful and bad and fucking terrible and the reason I want Littlefinger dead the most is his creepiness towards her.
That said, she is a fictional character. If you want to analyze, parallel and contrast her character to the others which is what you should do if they have foils/parallels in the story, you should take into account the fact that her name and later on her status as a lord's bastard give her a certain privilege. It does. She never has to worry about what food she'll eat like Arya, Bran, Dany or Tyrion in dance,she doesn't have to be forced to work like Arya again and Tyrion, she is very much not exposed to the horror of war the same way because she is first a high born lady with a name that protects her and then she is pretending to be the recognized daughter of someone who is also a noble. This is part of her story in contrast to the others. That's another perspective of the war/conflict and should be acknowledged when we analyze her.
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Show Sansa <<< The 4 complex female characters who’s titles/plotlines were stolen and watered down to give to Sansa
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uchiha-no-hime · 8 months
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😒🙄
Nothing to say, the image said everything
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From F&B/ASOIAF: Your favorite ship (canon or not)? Your least favorite ship? Your favorite character? Your least favorite character? Which character do you think deserved better?
I have three favourite ships in the asoiaf world:
1_Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen
2_Rhaenyra Targaryen and Daemon Targaryen
3_Jon Snow and Daenerys Targaryen
My least favourite ship is Jonsa. Normally I don't care about crackships, but their stans take it too far.
Daenerys Targaryen is my queen, she is mother, she is our lady and saviour who will deliver us from the darkness.
Honestly I think is Sansa, I didn't care for her while reading the books or even watching the show, but her stans made me hate her.
Rhaenyra deserved better.
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wearenorth · 7 months
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It's disappointing that Sansa faced zero consequences from Jon, for guilting him into her fight, when he wanted nothing of this. It's disappointing that Sansa faced zero consequences for not telling about Knights of the Vale. It's disappointing that nobody blamed Sansa for letting thousands of loyal men die on the battlefield basically for nothing while fighting her battle. It's disappointing that Sansa get's to play saviour when she rolls into the battlefield after nearly all the Stark's men, including Jon Snow, are slaughtered. It's disappointing that Sansa never had to face mothers, wives and children of those fallen soldiers who died in her battle. It's disappointing that Sansa never had to explain herself or apologize to the northern lords, ladies and their men, who choose to fight the Starks. It's disappointing that everyone overlooks that Sansa doomed Rickon to die, when he still could have been saved.
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daenerystargaryen06 · 7 months
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I was rewatching Game of Thrones...
I was watching Game of Thrones with my friend, and was just reminded that the ending really had no sort of cohesive thought put into it.
Let's start with the North becoming independent.
So, the North going independent really was a dumb decision. It is assumed that winter is still going, I don't think winter would suddenly just end that fast even with the NK having been killed. The North being independent would mean that other Kingdoms would have no obligation to send them resources, food, or men when needed. Meaning if another Kingdom were to suddenly attack the North, they can't call for help from other areas to get more men, and a majority of their men were assumed to have been depleted after the war against the dead. Sansa mentions that she has no resources to feed Dany's army when they arrive (and pretended as though she didn't even know when they were coming, even though Jon had sent her a letter about it); and the glass gardens within Winterfell were likely destroyed from two battles occurring- so where does Sansa plan on obtaining food to feed her people, especially during winter? Not even Bran has an obligation to send her help, and even if he wanted to, he himself likely doesn't have the resources to do so. Highgarden had been sacked previously by the Lannister's, and gold is needed to be spent on rebuilding King's Landing (or apparently focused on building brothels, as Bronn suggests). So how exactly does Sansa plan on ruling her people and getting them through the coming winter, when she has no experience with ruling and the few scenes shown of her looking after Winterfell while Jon is gone, she barely does anything?
Not to mention the fact that considering the North obtained its independence, what's to stop the other kingdoms from declaring for their independence as well? Yara Greyjoy will likely be the first to declare for independence, considering Dany had promised her independence when they allied together. What is also to stop Yara from going after the North? Jon Snow was the one to kill her sworn Queen, and was barely given any sort of consequence for his actions, and the Starks were left in power. As mentioned, the North's armies have been depleted likely from the battle against the dead, and winter will likely be there as well, which means that they can't really afford needed resources and men on fighting against the Ironborn should they decide to go after the North or pillage from it.
Another contender likely to go independent is Dorne. In the show, it was mentioned that Dorne had pledged itself to Dany's side. I doubt they will want to follow the Stark's due to the same reasoning as Yara Greyjoy had- Jon Snow killed their Queen, hardly got any reasonable consequence for it, and the Stark's were left in power. That already leaves two areas independent from the crown. When the other people see Dorne and the Iron Islands go independent, what is to stop them from doing the same? War will likely start because of these independences (Westeros had warred amongst itself before Aegon the Conqueror united the lands). Neither Bran nor Sansa will have any men, supplies, or resources for these wars. And who is to even say that people would want to follow behind Bran being their King? Unlike previous rulers, Bran has no showing for why he should be respected and feared as a ruler to keep others in line, except for the fact that he can see all that goes on. Which isn't really going to stop people from rebelling when he has no actual backing to him; limited men and limited resources. Highgarden, as well, is probably going to be f*cked over from having Bronn as their Lord. Bronn has no experience ruling. His only actions showcased throughout the entire show was fighting, and going to brothels. Already as Master of Coin he is showing he has no concept for ruling and utilizing things wisely, considering he wished to focus the coin on rebuilding brothels of all things, over anything else. Also, what is to stop the Citadel from feeling slighted by Bran and his decisions as King? Samwell Tarly being made maester, when he didn't even finish his training in Oldtown, had stolen valuable items from the Citadel, and has two children with Gilly. The Citadel likely will rebel as well, or refuse to involve themselves with the Crown, considering what Bran had done.
Overall, when you truly put logical sense into the show's ending, it was a shitshow all around. Nothing made sense. And when you apply actual thinking and reasoning to it, you realize just how screwed over Westeros is going to be from this ending. It was said that G.R.R.M plans for Bran to be King, but from the way D&D did it, the ending made no credible sense and had a lot of errors within it as a whole because they can't seem to write a cohesive and good ending without plot holes, character assassination, and stupidity.
I really am crossing my fingers for the books, if they're ever going to be released, because the finality of the show just is... horrible. I would have taken Dany being Queen (even if they had made her 'mad' in the show) over this mess.
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annabrainchase · 1 month
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a very stupid thing show fans believe is that all is well and good at the end of the show because the "good guys" aka the starks are in power (read=absolute power; they rule two kingdoms and one of them is all-knowing and can control human beings) while having done some of the most underhanded and/or politically unwise things throughout the time we see them have power. this is much less about show!bran in that i think the characterisation of the three eyed raven doesn't say/do much about what the overall role of such a power and title is, so i really couldn't say what time might do to bran. we didn't touch much on who bloodraven was, and how he is now changed because of so much time passing and the world changing around him as he stagnated in a cave while seeing things around the world as well as seeing into the literal past. i would rather speak about show!sansa and this pervasive notion that her fans and the larger fandom has that she will be a good and peaceful ruler (a democratic one, even, according to the actress!) because of the things she has seen and the people she has learned from and supposedly turned away from and because her father was a good man, if not a very sound leader. since said fans love to contrast this with daenerys and speculate about what type of leader she would have been (if not for the events of the last few episodes) and already has been, i will just say that much of the things she has also gone through (some that are superficious comparisons with sansa's experiences), as well as the people she has turned to for advice (because i don't see her holding onto any moralistic teachings from any of them except from mirri maaz duur re slavery in that she takes it upon herself to just abolish slavery continent-wide) and the actual things she has learned about being a ruler, being a politician, juggling court politics while being involved with the military side of things, the intricacies of feeding her subjects, about illness and siege and the much more personal, and deeper struggle of being an exile and homeless and alone in the world in every way that matters except maybe for the family legacy in the form of her dragons-- these things already far surpass what limited experience sansa has had while being a high born political captive with no knowledge of the people and what inroads you have to take as a ruler to keep them happy and fed and safe. this is as much true for the show as it is for the books, even with the mangled meereen plot which is when daenerys truly shines even while making mistakes (which is expected and normal and not a sign of future madness like be serious for one second). she at least has some knowledge of servitude and slavery, and as a future ruler of westeros, i do believe she would have learned the differences in the systems of rulership and people under a feudal monarchy as compared to one based on slave economy. she has the foundation for this undertaking more than any of the other young characters, save jon snow and, and it is really a sort of i believe what i want even if it's untrue, like open denial, that's been going on in this fandom. it's just weird at this point. the way the show ended, who isn't to say that sansa stark wouldn't become dictatorial and cruel when she finds out that she is unequipped for the actual work that goes into ruling? or just a lackadaisical head-in-the-clouds ruler who doesn't even know what is happening in her kingdom?
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katf22 · 9 months
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Thinking about if Dany was a man fans would’ve loved her and people (in the show and irl) would’ve justified the shit outta her burning King’s Landing
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silverflameataraxia · 1 month
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I know it's been awhile since I've read ASOIAF, but I keep seeing people say that Sansa is the most important person in Jon's life.
I remember Jon thinking about Arya all the time, but I don't recall him thinking about Sansa...ever. I thought the books made it pretty clear that Arya is the most important person to Jon, as he is to her.
Am I missing something from the books?
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abrideofdrogons · 1 year
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i love how people take a book related poll & simultaneously bring show!canon into it while also demonstrating that they 100% do not read the books at the same time
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lives4lovesworld · 9 months
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smartasses; pOweR cOrRuPTs aNd abs0luTE p0wER cOrRuPTs, invariable and with no regards to good intentions (funnily enough is only ever said in the context of talking about Daenerys and her ancestors)
also them about their favs; 🙈 or. "he is sUch a MaNNis" 🤤 (meant unironically) ThE kIng wHo cARed when Stannis runs around burning everbody left and right because he is megalomaniac, sucks strategically and nobody gives a lick about him or his cause + "I want my oh so gullible, naive fave of a litEtaL cHild in an absolute power" 🤡
same goes for the dragons; when their mother commands them she is hitler with nuclear weapons but any able-bodied joe in the series is just the man™ when they get them in their incels fans's power fantasies
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allovesthings · 3 months
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Arya Stark of Winterfell and her sister being foil to each other doesn't mean she is going to end up subservient to/working for Sansa.
She has her own ending and her own themes and her own thing going on which include both politics and magic seperated from Sansa and I wish more people would see that.
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mattyalwayssmokesweed · 10 months
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At the end of the day, only one Stark sister is part of the Key 5, on the Top 3 list of George R R Martin’s favorite ASOIAF characters and Lyanna’s ghost, and that sister sure as hell isn’t Sansa
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