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loki-who-remains · 6 months

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The soundtrack for season 2 is unbelievable. I thought nothing could beat season 1 music, but Natalie Holt did it again. I’m in awe. I can't wait for Vol.2.

I’m not a musician, I don’t really distinguish different instruments apart from general terms, but for myself I summarised that strings mainly belong to Loki and Sylvie, the theremin to TVA and Mobius, chorus/voices to HWR and Victor Timely. And again, it comes in three.

Burden of Wisdom

This is the first track for season 2 and it actually starts with the same whispery voices that can be heard in He Who Remains, which is the last track for season 1! I recommend listening to both in chronological order. The contrast between them, the character and gravity they convey. Ugh!

Theremin, chorus and strings are intertwined in a heartbeat-like sound. In this track you can actually hear a bit of the TVA theme but performed on Loki’s strings, as if he's accepted his fate paved for him and Sylvie by HWR. It does sound like a burden.

One Shot

It’s complex music with a lot of drama, hope and despair but also a happy ending. And it is a complicated sequence when Loki time slips to the future, is pruned and gets back to the present. The harp and chorus sound almost asgardian. It’s very stringy, and there are Sylvie’s strings this time too, and an epic, heroic build-up and Loki’s iconic fanfares when he is pulled from the time and soft lands on Mobius. To me personally this is very Sylkius somehow

Temporal Loom

It is the hard of the TVA, so the music sounds like a heartbeat, slightly irregular, quickening by the end. The whispers, and then the epic chorus. You can clearly see a small fragile man on the gangway against this monstrous merciless machine.

Zaniac

This is a banger. 70s disco beat, something from a James Bond movie. But if you listen closely, you can hear strings from Loki Green Theme in the background. They sound ominous but not loud enough for Brad to take it seriously just like he underestimates his opponents just a moment later. Loki’s strings and TVA’s theremin make pretty damn good combo, I love it I love it I love it so much.

Delivery

Such hopeful, pensive music. You know the history was altered that very moment and can’t be undone, this boy will change everything for better or for worse. In the end, the ultimate power in the universe are books in right (or wrong) hands. Chorus is there and is very prominent, not a whisper but almost angelic choir.

Time to Go

I looooove how this one starts so non-HWRy! Very playful, funny and slightly chaotic which suits Victor’s luminary persona that he puts on to hide his vulnerable soft self. It also has Loki’s iconic fanfares, performed by a woodwind this time. It doesn’t match with Loki’s appearance like in One Shot, but still is a really nice touch. And then it’s calm, pensive and somehow lonely. And that’s how Victor is, really.

O. B.

OB’s theme sounds like something from the future. His main notes are simple, optimistic tones arranged with electronic background. It stands out from all other TVA personnel related music. Just like him: a genius unstoppable engineer, alone in his department who won’t hold a grudge for this, always busy, always happy to see his colleagues and work in a team

Your Girl

Hauntingly beautiful and tragically romantic, but with undertones of static, Jaws and a villain theme from a horror movie.

I don’t wanna stop but I will because I feel like I’m starting to repeat myself and don’t have enough words to describe music. No, no, okay, one more

Tricks

The thrill of the chase. Brad's personality aside, it's terrifying to be chased by someone you can neither outrun nor outtrick. Makes you think what would happen if Loki suddenly changed his mind and turned into a full mode villain. Q&A has a similar vibe but with far more dark undertone.

okay I really need to stop here

All I wanna say is, Natalie Holt knows how to convey the essence of a character through music

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silverpen-and-paper · 6 months

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loki season 2 episode 5 spoilers!

NOOO DON’T SHOW ME THIS I DON’T WANNA RELIVE VICTOR’S DEATH

stimming so hard at this suspenseful intro that i hurt my muscles

hhhHHHHHHHHH LOKI WHERE ARE YOU

OH NO WHERE’S EVERYBODY ELSE

GASP WHO IS THAT

GASPPP IT’S LOKI

OH HOLY CRAP THE DESK IS NOODLING THAT’S ABSOLUTELY TERRIFYING

RUN LOKI GET OUT OF THE NOODLE ROOM

all the noodles were attracted to loki!! like magnets!! is that a plot point or just a very creepy thing?? i don’t know!!

AAAAAA THE INTRO LETTERS ARE DISAPPEARING

prison?? is this where brad ended up mayhaps??

ooouuu that guy looks kinda dead

ohh silly me it’s a model to fool the guards

wAIT CASEY?! IS THAT YOU?!

where IS this?!

ooohhh neat!! they added a little branched timeline icon to the place/time intro! i don’t remember seeing them do that before

“if they catch us they’re gonna gut us like fish!” why hello other casey who apparently knows what fish are! but what happened to OUR casey

oh correction, hello frank

!!! b-15 is a doctor in another timeline!! love that for her

MOBIUSSSSSS

he has a son?!

loki loki no you KNOW from EXPERIENCE that they won’t recognize you please don’t go all “why don’t you remember me” again that’s gonna break my heart

nope nope nope can’t handle the secondhand embarrassment aaaaaah this is gonna be hard to watch

turned off sound and turned on captions and apparently that actually lessens secondhand embarrassment

single dad, HM? so he might still be gay, HMMM???

TWO sons?!

ouroboros!!

he’s a sci-fi author!!!!!!

awww buddy i’ll read your books! we can be friends and talk about them over lunch!

the post-it note wall from the end credits were ouroboros’ book plans all along?! idc what anyone says THIS is the biggest plot twist of the series

was his room in the tva built to match his weird building here?

surprise! it’s loki!

oh my gosh i love ouroboros so much a career plan after my own heart

mmmmm i don’t think anything’s gonna happen

this is just tom hiddleston’s acting process for timeslipping without the cgi ajdhsk

ouroboros 🤝 tony stark

prodding others with a taser

just realized i didn’t catch the name of this version of ouroboros

oop there goes loki

at a house now? is this gonna be mobius’ house?

IT IS!!

since mobius is a dad here that means he’s an official dilf

kevin!! his son’s name is kevin!

and the other one is named sean!!

mm feeling kinda weird about the thor and loki parallels with mobius’ kids

oh no here comes the secondhand embarrassment again

ok that wasn’t as bad as i thought

JET SKIS!!

noooooo he had a wife? you know what. it’s not a problem. he’s pan now

nope secondhand embarrassment is back

you’re losing him loki you’re gonna need to show him proof

OUROBOROS!!

ouroboros had a wife too?? why are you trying to un-queer all our blorbos disney?? you’ll never win

SCREAMING THE TIME DOOR MOVING AROUND IN THE BACKGROUND IM

left the subtitles on and accidentally got a mobius name reveal hIS NAME IS DON?! i don’t know how to feel about this

B-15!!!! what’s her real name?

what did casey frank even do to get into alcatraz in the first place??

oh dear not an awkward slo-mo shot

oh no frank is stealing things

and next up is sylvie!

HELP BRAD HAS A VIDEO GAME

OHH i bet they’re gonna forget that brad was at the tva too and then it won’t work and they’ll have to get him

“i want my friends back.” WOOO FINALLY HE ADMITTED IT!! 👏👏

cries sobs

noooo sylvie you can’t just leave him there like that

b-15 is reading ouroboros’ book!

the walls in the music store are painted like the aroace flag

why?? are we slowly zooming in on sylvie’s face?? it was cool for a couple seconds but it feels a bit awkward now

WAIT SOMEONE JUST DISAPPEARED IN THE BACKGROUND OH NO OH NO

OH NO HER FRIEND IS GONNA DISAPPEAR NO NO NO NO

NOOOOOOOOOOO

FRANK NOOOO

OUROBOROS NOOOOO

MOBIUS NOOOOOOOOO

B-15 NOOOOOOO

SYLVIE NOOOOOOOOO

EVERYBODY STOP DISAPPEARING STOP IT

LOKI!!! YOU TIME-SLIPPED!! HE DID IT!!

LOKI STOP PAUSING DRAMATICALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR SPEECH

WHAT YOU CAN’T END IT THERE DIRECTORS

oohhh that’s so neat the little credits lines around/underneath the names and stuff are moving and branching into timelines! i don’t think that happened before

oooooh and the letters are getting wonky!

boooo no end credits scene

WAIT SCREAMING I WATCHED TO THE VERY END OF THE CREDITS AND THERE WAS A RANDOM SOUND BITE OF BRAD’S VIDEO GAME CHARACTER SAYING “YOU DIED!! INSERT A COIN, LOSER!!”

this episode gave more “loki god of stories” vibes than any other mcu installment has

#loki #loki series #loki show #loki season 2 #loki spoilers #loki season 2 episode 5 #loki s2 ep5 #loki season 2 spoilers #loki s2 ep5 spoilers #loki season 2 episode 5 spoilers

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things4your · 3 years

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doctorway · 3 years

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loki and sylvie matching profiles!!

loki e sylvie metadinhas!!

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peachy-ash · 3 years

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☆ 𝗶𝗰𝗼𝗻 ☆

𝗹𝗼𝗸𝗶 & 𝗺𝗼𝗯𝗶𝘂𝘀

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coffeee-and-icedtea · 3 years

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loki + mobius — matching icons

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☕ image source: Episode 1 of "Loki" by Kate Herron

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#loki series #loki tv #loki icon #marvel icon #marvel icons #mobius icon #loki episode 1 icon #loki series icon #loki series icons #loki #mobius #icon

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alexjcrowley · 3 years

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Anyway, Loki and Mobius truly are eachothers' half, 'cause Loki showed up at TVA dressed like that:

And TVA only knows how many years or decades prior, Mobius showed up at TVA dressed like this:

They match the ✨extra✨ in their unique styles, omg fashion icons in love😍

Yeah, the second picture is actually Owen Wilson from the second Zoolander movie, I am sorry, but I had to. I had to.

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space-morningstar · 11 days

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Lokius matching pfp

#Loki serie #Loki #Mobius #Loki S2 #Lokius #Match icons #Lokius icons #my icons #lokius match icons

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twh-news · 3 years

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Loki Director Kate Herron Takes Us Inside the Timey-Wimey Influences of the TVA

When confronted with a bureaucratic group of time guardians who are part church, part cop, and all outside known time, where do you even begin to start framing that as a setting for a television show? For Disney+ and Marvel’s Loki director Kate Herron, the answer was simple: throwback to iconic sci-fi hits, with a bit of a personal twist.

“I think when I pitched the studio, I loved the idea of making the whole show this big love letter to sci-fi,” Herron told io9 on a recent video call about her approach to bringing the Time Variance Authority out of the pages of comic books and into a feasible reality for Disney+. “I love sci-fi, and with the TVA, specifically, I drew from quite a lot of places—Metropolis, Blade Runner, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy... Southeast London has a lot of Brutalist architecture, around where I grew up. I was really intrigued with putting that in the TVA, to represent these almost gods of the Time Keepers, but to match that with Mad Men—this sort of midwest style, because they’re heroic, and I thought that was a really interesting mix for me.”

But beyond cultural influences, Herron wanted to bring a human feeling to the otherwise kooky and esoteric vibe the TVA has in Loki. And what could be more endearing about an extra-temporal faction that rules the sacred timeline with an iron fist? The fact that they’re also mostly just a bunch of pencil pushers. “[I wanted to] also be bringing in realities of my own experience just working in an office and being a temp,” Herron said. “I remember the technology—a computer I used to work in was so old and they were like, ‘Well, it’s not broke so we’re not going to buy a new one!’ I thought that felt very bureaucratic and went, ‘Well, the TVA is outside of time and space—they’re not in the future or the past—so, maybe it could have this retro-futuristic Brazil kind of vibe.’ Eighties technology is bit more clunky and needs updating, I think it was very fun in that sense, just for the overall style of the place.”

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“Beyond that I was working with my team to build upon these ideas. I definitely drew from the comics in terms of, like—they have these amazing images of desks going on into infinity, so we definitely brought that into the design, as well,” Herron continued. “For me, something that was really important to make it feel like a real, living space was... I love movies like Eternal Sunshine and Scott Pilgrim, that are very heightened and fantastical that use a lot of practical sets. And I love doing long takes, so like we’ll see in the first episode, Loki and Mobius step out the elevator and they walk down this really long hallway where they go in the first episode, and I thought [of] something me and my DP, Autumn [Durald, Loki’s Director of Photography, said], ‘Let’s just make this one practical set’. And I think that helped really add to the reality! I’d say a lot of our show is a heavy mix of practical and heightened visual effects, which I think gives the TVA a level of reality, really.”

Part of Loki’s first episode that leans a bit more into that heightened side of the TVA is two brief bits of retro-looking animation, presented as Loki’s guide to just what the Time Variance Authority does with its detainees. One is a simple guide video, the other is a bit kookier, and an ongoing feature in the show: Miss Minutes, an anthropomorphic cartoon clock with a go-getter attitude and a Southern drawl, brought to life by voice acting legend Tara Strong. For Herron, translating the idea of these animations for the show (and, in Miss Minutes’ case, bringing her to life beyond the 2D plane), required balancing those classic inspirations with the need for these moments to be ours—and Loki’s—introduction to this strange new world.

“So basically when I got Michael [Waldron]’s script, that was in there from the start, just the Mr. DNA of Jurassic Park, this Miss Minutes video—and I thought, ‘Aw, that’s genius,’ because, you know, it’s funny and we’re learning about this world-building, but we’re laughing at the same time,” Herron said of the animation. “So, I thought that was very fun and obviously it kept evolving as we were locking down our world-building rules. I think for me, that was always a really smart way to just—as we see the TVA through Loki’s eyes—be like, ‘OK, so where are we? What are the rules of this place?’ And we feel like he does. For me, that hand-drawn aspect was cool, because we don’t see a lot of animation like that anymore. It’s got this public service announcement style to it, as well, because of all the eras I’m pulling from. Miss Minutes was inspired a bit by Felix the Cat, and cartoons of that era. Yeah, I think it was just really fun to do this Roger Rabbit kind of character within our show, so yeah: Miss Minutes is a lot of fun!”

#kate herron #loki #loki series #interview #io9 #article

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moobrvoobl-moobmoob-oobmpoobroom · 3 years

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Hey I'm angry at Mobius rn, what do you say we change our matching icons to Loki and Sylvie or smth

Ooh ok sure :D

#I can’t change rn but I’ll do soon #Lmk which matching ones u want :D #Everydoors #mom #asks #Loki spoilers

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canonicallysoulmates · 3 years

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Here are my thoughts and opinions on the first season of Loki.

First of all, if you have not re-watched this season I highly recommend it. It’s only 6hrs, pick a day, get some snacks, binge the whole thing especially if you weren’t a big fan of it the first time around because re-watching it I noticed some things that I hadn’t before but I also found myself liking some things that I hadn’t the first time around. Which is why I recommend re-watching it, cause maybe it’ll be the same for y’all and you’ll find some new things to love, and end up enjoying some things you hadn’t before. It’s really a different experience to watch the whole thing together than when you watch week to week which makes sense cause MCU shows are meant to be movie-esque.

Now, I’ve spoken pretty positively about this show almost on the daily so let’s switch it up and start with the negatives aka the things that I personally didn’t like because while I enjoyed a lot of this show there are things I wasn’t a fan of and things that did irk me a lot; the first thing is very much a pet peeve: the title sequence, I’ve mentioned it before in passing but it reminds me too much of Gravity Falls and Bill Cipher, I gave it 6 episodes, 12 if you count the re-watches, and I just don’t like it at all, I get what they were going for but I don’t think it fits the show and I’m hoping they change it for s2.

But that’s a small thing, I can deal with that, the two (technically three) big things I didn’t like - and I think this is why episode 1 is my least favorite and to me the weakest of the season - is the way the show completely ignores Odin’s abuse and the effect that had on Loki, and the way he’s written in the first three episodes. I will go into detail.

I have no shame in admitting that I am pretty forgiving when it comes to this show and its flaws but the one thing I cannot forgive is how it not only ignores Odin’s abusive behavior but tries to paint him as a loving father and like Loki was the one in the wrong using the most insulting way possible which is that scene in Ragnarok where Odin tells his sons he loves them as if an ‘I love you’ undid years of abuse and bad parenting; it shouldn’t surprise me that they did this because the mcu does have a history and a pattern of being abuse apologists like portraying Thanos killing Gamora to get the soul stone as him loving her, or completely ignoring the horrible father that Howard Stark was. But it still really pisses me off that this show in which a big theme is exploring Loki psychologically and emotionally doesn’t even make mention of what a horrible father Odin was! And it tries to make it seem that just because Loki heard his father say a version of him that he loves him, that Loki suddenly thinks of him as a loving parent (referring to that line in episode 5 where he’s talking to Sylvie and says he has betrayed everyone who has loved him and mentions his asshole of a father instead of his mother!). I didn’t need them to go into details about this, but I did want them to call abuse abuse, and acknowledge Odin was a bad father. To me this is the biggest sin so far of this series. It doesn’t surprise me but it does disappoint me.

Connected to this, and in episode 1 we stay, is the “psychological exploration” of this character. I know after episode 1 a lot of fans were all “omg Loki finally got some therapy 😭” and then there’s me in the corner, shaking my head and saying no he didn’t, not at all, not even close. There was no therapy. And there was zero character exploration. I like Mobius but he is no Linda Martin.

All that happened was Loki being shown the consequences of his actions and being directly asked multiple times if he likes hurting people which of course he doesn’t, that’s not therapy at no point did Loki’s trauma get addressed, at no point did Loki get walked through that stuff or asked why he is how he is or what happened to change him from someone who was just mischievous to someone who caused harm.

Sorry to burst y’alls bubble but Loki did not get therapy in episode 1. Change Mobius lines about how Loki is just meant to cause pain and suffering and death for “imagined slights” and you’d have pretty much the same as every other MCU movie. At most what he got was an intervention to help him realize he didn’t want to be a bad person. Intervention and therapy are not the same thing.

And again, not surprised. If the mcu doesn’t properly explore their main, multiple movie having characters trauma and issues why were we expecting them to do it with Loki? Gotta keep those expectations in check. And in part I understand that the writers had a limited amount of time and they wanted to jump right into things but if they were gonna have only one episode with an emphasis on this they could have done a much better job while still jumping into the main story and moving on to character growth. To me this is the second biggest sin. And why episode 1 is ultimately my least favorite.

Last but not least, and something I can be more lenient and forgiving about but I still don’t like is the way Loki was written in the first three episodes. The way he was written was more comical to the point of borderline clown-ish sometimes which doesn’t match his personality at all, and don’t get me wrong there are times when it works but for the most part it just comes across as weird, like the writers were trying too hard to be funny and lighthearted at some points and it just doesn’t work, it ends up with him being a joke.

I’ll use a scene that I absolutely adore as a small example: Loki singing in episode 3. It’s one of my favorite scenes of the season, absolutely live for it, it lives in my head rent free in the VIP section but it’s a very flawed scene because Loki would never. Getting drunk on a mission is what Thor would do, not Loki, that is Thor through and through so as much as I love that scene, it is a flawed, ooc Loki scene.

The good thing is the show does improve in how it writes him in the last three eps, they stop trying so hard with the comedy, he’s more serious, more badass, he still has funny moments for example his reaction to Alligator Loki was hilarious but it’s more natural and fitting. So hopefully, in season 2 it will be the same writing team, and there will be more consistency and he’ll be written less comically and more badass.

Moving on to the positives, there are a lot of things I thoroughly enjoyed, starting with having Loki back on my screen and the center of attention- my baby, my darling, my love 💚 I’m so glad that he (and Tom!) is finally getting the attention, and love, and praise, and recognition that he has been deserving of all these years!

It gave me some of my favorite Loki scenes like I mentioned Loki singing it may be a flawed scene but I loved it nonetheless, it had some really cool fight scenes especially towards the end, it gave Loki a friend! A real friend! My baby is all grown up! 😭💚

The cinematography was beautiful, like you can say a lot about this show but you cannot deny that visually it is stunning and the directing was amazing. The soundtrack was pretty good too, I mean c’mon, ‘I need a Hero’? Iconic.

This show gave us Alligator Loki! How can one not love that! It kick started what looks to be the coolest aspect of Phase 4, it gave us bi, genderfluid Loki (which also brought out some of the ugliest sides of this fandom but this ain’t the time or place for that conversation 🙃), it gave me a new favorite character in Sylvie absolutely love her 💛

It gave me hope that the sun will shine again on Thor and Loki! That they’ll cross paths once again at some point and be reunited! And when they are, we better get that hug!

It gave me my new OTP in the form of Loki x Sylvie, they have great chemistry, and they’re super cute together, and they’re so good for one another and I just love them so much; I know it’s a “controversial” ship but I hope they stick to it and we get more of them in s2 because they are the best couple Marvel has ever given us they are passionate and cute and angsty, and they have the foundation for the most epic love story.

In conclusion, was Loki season 1 perfect? Was it everything I wanted? Nope. But ultimately, it gave me more that I enjoyed than not- also, I can tell this was something that was done with a lot of love and joy and effort put into it which as someone who has loved a show where the writer’s room noticeably didn’t give a rat’s ass, I can appreciate a lot.

Overall I’m very happy with the first season; I love this show, flaws and all, and I can’t wait for s2!

#loki #loki series #loki s1 #loki on disney+#loki series critical #anti odin #my opinion #mine #non spn

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notanotherloki · 3 years

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TRAILER ANALYSIS - PEOPLE

Second verse, same as the first. Let’s do people now!

Jacket Loki -

Jacket Loki is working with the TVA (for now), and is probably early days in the plot. The jacket both represents his connection to the organization as well as their control and othering of him (see: the label VARIANT on the back). The buddy cop portion of the show. It also feels like a lot of the comedic bits happen (in the trailer at least) with Jacket Loki, and it makes him seem more light hearted (or naive almost) than No-Jacket Loki.

Can’t wait for Hot Topic to start selling the jacket.

No Jacket Loki -

End game Loki. Post Betraying the TVA. As you can see he gets real roughed up (Look at that bloody cut on his arm!)

At some point Jacket Loki will start picking up knives and lose the jacket during his attack against the TVA. He eventually switches to a sword in the Cracked Palace, which we suspect is late game

We don’t really know what he’ll be up to at this point, but it’s at least clear there’s less openly comedic beats with him. He’s also only shown with Mysterious Flip Women / potentially the redhead, noticeably without Mobius, the Judge, or even Dr Who Loki.

I also wanna talk about this screenshot, I didn’t know where else to bring it up. I’m not sure where this is and who he’s fighting. As the uniforms don’t match the time cops but, they have the glowy stick? Also, this is both No-Jacket Loki and Loki With A Sword which I believe is SUPER late game.

Dr Who/Hooded Loki -

This is the “Loki” Loki has been tasked to find. The trailer does nothing to give this away but It is important to note we have not actually seen anything to confirm this Loki is, indeed Loki.

We are calling him Dr Who Loki because we think he’s been surfing the timelines for a while now. If he actually IS Loki, there’s still definitely a big reveal to happen with his appearance, since they didn’t show us his face even after they told us it was “him” in episode 1.

Loki-For-President -

Potentially an alternate timeline Loki? I don’t know how Jacket Loki could get to this point and I don’t see why Dr Who Loki would take this detour? The space they’re in is completely anachronous in all kinds of ways.

It seems like a perfect thing for a 3rd Loki to have been occupying his time with. Also, note the completely different outfit -- we haven’t seen him in that particular vest before, let alone with his helm again.

However, DB Cooper flashback has shown that strange outfits may just be flashbacks we havent seen in the MCU but this is a weird one I wouldn’t know where to place. It feels like unlike with DBCooper we would have known if Loki was running for president, especially with such an iconic get up lol.

Can’t wait to buy one of those “Loki For President” Buttons! (Personally I can’t wait for all the “WHOOPS ALL LOKI” memes lol - Mod Sapphire)

The Judge -

Not much to add honestly, just clear she’s a recurring character as Ep 1 didn’t establish that.

C-20 -

Seems to be a defecting time cop? She’s clearly wearing time cop armor but attacking another time cop in the trailer. I’m going to guess she shows up during a Ren Faire episode. It looks like a fair was going on in the background behind the shot of the Variant jacket, and it would explain the comical candy-cane lance.

Mysterious Flip Woman -

The trailer made EXTRA sure we could not see this lady’s face and that’s how you know she’s important. I know she’s not C-20 because C-20 has long dreads. But I’m only speculating these three images are the same lady.

In all three images she has a sword on her hip (doesn’t seem to be Loki’s sword, different shape. That would have been interesting) and 1 & 3 have rrrooougghly the same hair length? Hard to tell. In image 2 she was wearing a hood. It’s easier to tell in the video than a screenshot alone. And it’s not the same as Dr Loki’s cloak. But again it’s certainly not C-20s hair. That’s all I have to go on connecting these three.

I will note it’s interesting in image 3 that Loki seems so relaxed. He’s a very uptight character who relies on his front, so either they’ve been through a lot at this point or it's just been That Kind of Day. (Also reminds me too much of End of Evangelion - Mod Snail)

My crackpot theory is that she is ALSO another Loki, just on a more femm day lol - Mod Sapphire

That’s about all we got for now. Since typing this all out I’ve found a few other smaller trailers with new stuff too but I don’t know if we’ll dig into those as much. As a final note this screenshot is DEF late game. I’m excited to see who it is that fucks up the timelines (maybe Dr Who Loki? Are these just any timelines or Lokis?)

#loki series #loki spoilers #theories #trailer analysis

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Black Widow: Could Red Guardian Have Fought Captain America?

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This article contains Black Widow spoilers.

When we finally catch up with Alexei Shostakov (David Harbour) in the Russian prison where he’s been idling for years, he’s reliving his glory days in the midst of dealing with a string of arm wrestling contenders. Marvel’s Black Widow has already shown us just how strong Alexei is during its long, Ohio-set opening, so we know that the man who was once Russia’s answer to Captain America is going to win every single one of these bouts.

As Red Guardian, Alexei even had his own action figure, and although he’s now pretty out of shape the super soldier is more than a match for any of the younger and more ripped inmates who hope to challenge him. While a collection of men excitedly watch Alexei peacock his strength, he even brags about the time he beat Captain America.

“So,” Alexei teases. “I have the nuclear code, but there he is. Captain America! Finally, the Red Guardian’s time has come. I grab hold of his shield and, face to face, it’s a test of strength. The shield that he carries with him like a precious baby blanket? I use it to my advantage. I take it, I push him out the window, I make my escape.”

The beefy inmate he’s currently grappling with calls bullshit on the tall tale by getting Alexei to date his face-off with Cap at around 1983 or 1984 – a time when Steve Rogers was still in the ice.

“Are you calling me a liar?” Alexei rages, snapping the poor man’s wrist until it’s as floppy as a glove. Yikes.

But, hey, he’s just annoyed about being called out. There’s no way Cap and Red Guardian battled in the ’80s, right? It’s just not possible. Well, probably not. Unless you start thinking too hard about the events of Avengers: Endgame, the different ways that the writers and directors of the blockbuster view Steve Rogers’ fate, and the appalling way America treated Cap’s legacy, as revealed in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

Let’s look at the possibilities…

Replacement Captain America

A fascinating but deeply upsetting thing we learned in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier was that Steve Rogers wasn’t the only super soldier fighting for America.

In the 1950s, Isaiah Bradley was one of many unwilling human subjects that the United States military tested their super soldier serum on, and as far as we know the only one who made it through those trials. During the Korean War, Isaiah fought Bucky Barnes when he was locked in Winter Soldier mode, and managed to destroy half of his metal arm in the heat of battle. The government started to worry about news of an African-American super soldier going public, and imprisoned Isaiah for three decades. He was freed in the 1980s and his death was later faked so he could live a normal life.

We’re pretty sure Alexei could tell the difference between Steve and Isaiah, but we guess it’s possible that the US military could have had other super soldiers posing as Cap between the period when Isaiah was active and Steve made his return from the ice. For example, in the comics, there were several men who stood in for Steve after Cap had been frozen, because the government didn’t want the world to know that Captain America was gone. One in particular, William Burnside, even went so far as to get plastic surgery to resemble Rogers and really took the whole thing too far (it didn’t end well, but that’s another story). Could Alexei’s tall tale be the first way the MCU nods to replacement Captain Americas beyond Isaiah Bradley?

It’s pretty unlikely that Alexei fought anyone other than MCU Steve Rogers, though. He knows that Steve Rogers is Captain America. Hell, everyone does! Rogers is a “war criminal” on the run in Black Widow, which is set between Captain America: Civil War and Avengers: Infinity War, and he wouldn’t ask Natasha if Cap had mentioned him otherwise, so we should probably assume that when Alexei is talking about his bouts with Cap he means Steve and only Steve.

Old Captain America

In the months following Avengers: Endgame’s release, the film’s directors and writers held court on the details of Steve Rogers’ mission to return the Infinity Stones and the long life that he subsequently chose to live with his WWII sweetheart, Peggy Carter. As you may recall, after Steve finished popping the stones back to their rightful places to avoid any of the chaotic branch timelines that The Ancient One warned Bruce Banner about, Steve and Peggy grew old together, and Old Cap then re-emerged on the very day he’d first left to pass his iconic shield over to Sam Wilson – an incident followed up in Marvel’s The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

But fans weren’t entirely sure whether the life Steve and Peggy lived would have caused its own branch timeline, a matter that directing team Joe and Anthony Russo were happy to clear up.

“Based on everything that happened, he would have been in a branch reality and then had to have shifted over to this, so jumped from one to the other and handed the shield off,” they said. “One thing that’s clear that Anthony and I have discussed, I don’t know that we’ve discussed this publicly at all, Cap would have had to have traveled back to the main timeline. That’s something that, yes, he would have been in a branch reality, but he would have to travel back to the main timeline to give that shield to Sam Wilson.”

A branch timeline, guys? Really? Loki, Mobius and everyone else at the TVA want a word.

Avengers: Endgame writers Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely had a totally different view of how Steve managed to show up where he did at the end of the film – he never left.

“That is our theory,” explained Markus. “We are not experts on time travel, but the Ancient One specifically states that when you take an Infinity Stone out of a timeline it creates a new timeline. So Steve going back and just being there would not create a new timeline. So I reject the “Steve is in an alternate reality” theory. I do believe that there is simply a period in world history from about ’48 to now where there are two Steve Rogers. And anyway, for a large chunk of that one of them is frozen in ice. So it’s not like they’d be running into each other.”

Yes, according to Markus and McFeely, there were two versions of Steve Rogers around in the seven decades that followed Captain America: The First Avenger, and the older version was just off living his life with Peggy while the younger one was in the ice. The confusion was palpable, with many fans refusing to believe that Steve would have hidden in the shadows instead of deciding to do something about all the horrible things that may have been happening in history’s relentless geopolitical conflicts.

The time travel rules of Avengers: Endgame – arguably nonsense – don’t leave much room for Markus and McFeely to be right – Banner tells the team that they can’t change the past because the past will become their future. But Markus and McFeely later doubled down on their comments, claiming that Old Cap was even at Peggy’s funeral during Civil War.

“I would like to believe that through some sort of bullshit time loop paradox–throw in the words you use when you’re bullshitting science in a movie: ‘some sort of quantum paradox’–that there are indeed two Captain Americas in the MCU timeline. That Steve Rogers who looped back into time has therefore always been there, and that he is living somewhere else in the movies you’re watching….And what I really like to believe is that there’s an old man sitting in back at Peggy’s funeral in Civil War, and that’s old Steve Rogers, watching young Steve Rogers, carry old Steve Rogers’s wife up to the front of the church. Can I explain it scientifically? Not really, no.”

Weirdly, it’s Black Widow’s throwaway moments with Alexei that could support the writers’ take here. Maybe the Steve who was with Peggy didn’t stay out of the fight all those years. Maybe he did try to stop Red Guardian from stealing the nuclear codes. And maybe this wasn’t the only time he and Alexei came to blows during the Cold War era. Sure, Cap would have technically been in his ’60s, but he ages slowly and Alexei is proof that the super soldier serum still very much has a kick to it as the years fly by.

Straight Up Lying For Clout

Alexei could have fictionalized his interactions with Captain America for clout, and he comes across as the kind of person who would do so, but let’s look at the second time he brings up Captain America with his “daughter” Natasha Romanoff aka Black Widow. He couldn’t be any more proud that she became an Avenger, even if she defected to fight for the other side. Instead of reconnecting with her properly, however, the first thing he talks to her about privately is in the interest of boosting his own ego.

“Natasha come here, I want to ask you something, its important,” Alexei insists. “Did he talk to you about me? You know, trading war stories.”

“Who?” Natasha asks.

“Captain America! My great adversary in this theater of geopolitical conflict. Not so much a nemesis, more like a contemporary, co-equal. I always thought there was a great deal of mutual respect,” he says genuinely.

Natasha doesn’t confirm or deny that Red Guardian got a mention in her conversations with Steve. She’s too annoyed that Alexei is harping on about himself again after they’ve spent so many years apart, but it may leave a tantalizing Captain America mystery lingering on the MCU timeline. Why would Alexei take an obvious lie this far, to someone with first-hand knowledge who would absolutely be in a position to call him out on it if he didn’t at least believe it was true?

For what it’s worth, Harbour told Inverse that Red Guardian’s Cap stories are “absolutely true, 100 percent,” but also went on to add “There’s a thing, confabulation, where people actually just believe their lies to such a degree that even when confronted with reality, they can’t process it. It doesn’t make sense [to them]. I think Alexei is very much the same way. He lives this reality completely independent of what other people have seen or heard.”

Whether any of this is ever canonically confirmed or not, the MCU is known for its breadcrumbs and callbacks, so don’t count out more Cap vs. Red Guardian hints just yet.

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