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skoulsons · 8 months

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Baylan and Shin’s parting

The scene that has upset (me) or confused (also me) most people. A chunk of people, who I respectfully disagree with, have said that Baylan is “abandoning” Shin. While I agree she definitely feels abandoned, I do not believe that is or ever would be Baylan’s intention. I just don’t think it works.

There’s an obvious amount of care (love, you could say) in their relationship. They’re not your typical competitive Sith master / apprentice relationship or Jedi master / padawan where feelings like that were repressed. They’re not mercenaries who were put together for a job or purely for the selfish gain of power. Shin has been under his wing as his padawan, borderline his child, for a long time.

He’s very protective of her as we see most notably in episode 4 when he ‘kills’ Ahsoka because she threw Shin into a rock. That sort of protection that drives you to kill someone (I don’t believe his original intention was to kill her—it was that that set him off) doesn’t come from a lack of love or lack of a relationship.

Their first scene on Peridea is another to consider. They’re comfortable, open, and vulnerable. Shin’s tone when she says “I know no such stories (shoutout to the person who made that post about Baylan telling Shin stories about the Jedi when she was younger. i still think about you)” is a sarcastic tone, almost teasing. They both comfortably smile and are way more relaxed being around just each other. Shin asks him questions without fear and Baylan answers without hesitation.

So, no, I don’t believe he’s abandoning her.

Now, nothing is known for sure. What exactly does he hear? What exactly does he see? What vision does he have?

Hopefully we get that answer, but my (and maybe most of you) bigger concern is why part from Shin for a wasteland and some power (yes yes we know he wants the ‘beginning’ but that’s still kinda VAGUE)?

Again, don’t know the truth, just throwing out ideas. i cant wait to be wrong on every front and be completely humbled tuesday night lolol

For one, he’s sensed and understood her questions and doubts and is actually considering them. He’s recognizing “OK, she doesn’t see all that I do”. He isn’t saying “Nope, I’m forcing you to join me in this”. He’d be a jackass if he did that. Since he seems pretty sold on staying on Peridea for… whatever it is he believes is there, he’s letting her go so she can, in turn, find her footing and take her place in the coming empire. Yes, he doesn’t know if that’s even what she wants, but Shin hasn’t exactly told him what she would want. All she’s mentioned (I think) was about leaving Peridea since Thrawn is desperate to leave as well.

Either way, he’s considering her and letting her go her own way instead of forcing her into a future with him that she obviously isn’t interested in.

Two, Baylan actually knows a lot more than he’s letting on and sees something that is… dangerous. Something he doesn’t want Shin exposed to. Something he knows is dangerous and he’s trying to keep her from (so she doesn’t suffer the same fate as his last padawan—if it’s true, of course). This one seems more selfish than some other thoughts. It can even fit other fandoms—he’ll go into it guns blazing for himself despite its dangers, but not her.

Three, which is just a bit of a vaguer, rephrased Two, he can’t / doesn’t want to lose another padawan if he can help it.

“Oh, then why’d she even follow him to Peridea? Why’d Baylan even let her come if he was going to abandon her anyway?”

He’s her master. Of course she’s going to follow him. It’s the guy she’s known longer than anyone else in her life. Her master, her father figure. Why wouldn’t she follow him? Why wouldn’t she stick it out for him? And, again, don’t believe at all that it’s abandonment or even something that was planned. It seemed very spur of the moment—like an off screen decision being made in Baylan’s head. Parting from her wasn’t something on his bucket list he was waiting to check off.

Fourth, the “ambition” that Baylan said was driving Shin is her willingness (not the word im looking for please read my mind) to embrace the dark side compared to himself. If he truly wants to bring an end to the Jedi v Empire back-and-forth, he’ll stay more Gray. So, he parts from her to give her that freedom. It’s the thing that drives them apart.

There’s even more ways to try and understand why, im sure. These are just word vomits and nothing to be taken as truth.

While I don’t at all believe Baylan’s intention was to abandon her, leave her for dead, etc, I definitely agree that Shin does feel abandoned.

Was the decision easy for Baylan? Highly doubt it. I don’t think he would watch her go, take a deep breath in, and roll his shoulders if it was easy. I don’t think he’d look around after Ahsoka stole his howler and debate going back for her if it was an easy decision. I don’t think he’d wait on the hill to keep watch and protect from a distance if he didn’t care.

I think one thing is for sure. Baylan thinks he’s doing what’s best when it’s really not. Shin looked like a kicked dog when Ahsoka offered to help—and whether that’s because she was reminded of 30 minutes prior on the hill beside him, or 15 years prior when Baylan stood above her and offered his help that started them on their journey (yari put this thought in my noggin), it hurts all the same.

I just hope the finale clears something up

#coherency? don’t know her #I am expecting his death #and it’s killing me #also #meant to mention #I do agree that the parting is abrupt #shin is very caught off guard by it #hence her reaction of course of ‘you won’t help?’#and then baylans explanation #but also #if he were to preface and be like ‘hey listen’ and then go on a spiel #they’d never make it to Sabine and Ezra and they were their goal so #I don’t know #I WANT CLEAR ANSWERS #NOT RANDOM THEORIES THAT CIRCLE AROUND EVERY FIVE MINUTES IN MY BRAIN THAT I CANT LAND ON #im going insane ok #ahsoka tv #baylan skoll #shin hati

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jasontoddenthusiastt · 1 year

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Honorary appreciation post for this mentally exhausted sweetheart.

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camelotluteguild · 1 year

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Something i really like about Merlin is how they didn’t make love a redemptive force. Uther loves both his children very much -- doesn’t make him a good man or even necessarily a good father. Merlin and Arthur love each other so much, but it doesn’t save either of them, nor does it always makes them better -- oftentimes, it makes them worse. It makes the love no less compelling or meaningful -- in my opinion, it only makes it more so, and it’s a more realistic approach to love. Thoughts and feelings!

#bbc merlin #merlin meta #the other thing is that bc of the genre and style and target audience of the show #you EXPECT the love to fix everything #and the characters do too #merlin's always like 'if i am devoted enough to arthur i can prevent his death'#he -- and we -- hold on to this belief until the very end #and then they drop it on you like a brick #even though we've been seeing love being insufficient for the whole show #show of all time

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unlikely-gravestones · 2 years

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Currently thinking about The New Inn and how Hob literally made Dream his own little corner of the waking world to come back to. This man literally bought a pub next door to The White Horse so that when His Stranger deigned it fit to see him again (because of course Hob didn't know he was imprisoned), he wouldn't have to look far from where they'd always met. He literally wrote instructions on the barrier of The White Horse directing him to the place he bought SPECIFICALLY for this, specifically for when Dream showed up.

And I hesitate to call it a home in Dreams regard, but I absolutely do believe Hob lives in a modest flat above the Inn. Part of this is because it makes financial sense- why buy a house elsewhere and have the extra cost of that + travel (home -> brief stop at the pub -> work -> pub for the rest of the day, waiting for Dream -> home). But also, living there means that when His Stranger shows up (because Hob knows he will, he wouldn't have bought a whole pub for the man if he thought he wouldn't), Hob will be the first to know. If he lives there, it doesn't matter if Dream comes knocking at 3 am, Hob will be there to open the doors for him. He asks his bartenders, daily, if someone unusual had come in - pale, hair as dark as night, beautiful as the sun is bright - and at this point they answer him before he even asks. Even if His Stranger was waiting until their next centennial meeting in 2089, just on the off chance that he wasn't...Hob would be the first to know of his arrival.

So anyway, while I wouldn't refer to the inn as Dreams home (yet...) I would call it Hob's, and he built it with His Stranger in mind. And I don't even think Hob would realise the gravity of this after Dream escapes from his imprisonment. Dream returned to his realm and found it partially deserted- his subjects had left in his absence (save for a key few), he returned and found his family had continued as usual (or as usual as the endless are) without him, the waking world only felt his absence because of the consequences it brought (people not waking up, etc).

Yet there is Hob Gadling and his inn.

There is a place, built specifically for when Dream returned to him. A small corner in the waking world where someone- no not just someone but Hob- had built him a pub, a resting place, with the intention of waiting for him. Hob had carved out this little place, so close to The White Horse, with the intention of making it easy for Dream to find, to come back. After so many people leaving him, or moving on, or just plain not knowing he was even gone in the first place- to come back and find a pub, dedicated to him and his companionship with Hob Gadling...thats gotta do something to you man.

So anyway, yeah. Thinking about how Dream feels when he meets up with Hob, after a century of imprisonment, to find that despite their last meeting...Hob had waited for him. And not only that, but he had built an Inn for him- had made a safe place in the waking world, anticipating his return. Hob had never lost faith in him, and Dream would never turn his back on that again.

#Anyway can y'all tell I'm having big thoughts on this #And yes Hob wasn't the only person waiting but he was the only human waiting #Lucienne waited in the dreaming and of course we know death missed dream also #But Hob didn't even know his name let alone who he bloody was #But he STILL built a whole Inn for that man #Still waited for him in the only way he could #In the waking world #And he's literally created this small life to share with Dream #Gggg I am FERAL about it friends #This was much longer than I expected to do but y'all ate up my analysis posts so #Eat this up too #Sandman #the sandman spoilers #dream of the endless #hob gadling #dreamling #hob x dream #morpheus #netflix the sandman

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quarks-pussy · 8 months

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So I know we here at Startrekfandom love that "came back wrong but from the pov of the wrong" thing and apply it to many different characters and canon situations and I am far from trying to complain about it (I'm "came out wrong" trope myself so I was always gonna obsess over it) but having recently watched a very important episode (you'll know which one) for the first time I think there's a character who hits both tropes mentioned but llike, intertwined, opposite and subverted, and whom I wanna talk about.

Julian Bashir.

From his parents' pov he's "came out wrong but we got him help and he came back better" while from his own pov it's "came out 'insufficient', was destroyed for it, came back wrong and only later slowly came to terms with his new self tho never the process (justifiably so)" and it's heartbreaking because in a way, he's right! Jules Bashir died! His parents had an intellectually disabled child and decided to eugenics him! Julian is not the person he used to be and while I do love the person he is now, that doesn't bring back who he was! Part of me wishes we could've gotten to see Jules at least once and part of me hopes we never do because my heart would shatter.

This isn't a good comparison but nonetheless one I can't help drawing: it's giving similar vibes to anti-vaxxers. "I'd rather risk having a child who is dead than one who's autistic". Obviously this doesn't map over since Julian is still autistic and the procedure his parents subjected him to specifically targeted his intellectual disability and if any folks with id wanna comment on this I definitely recommend you listen to them over me, but it's a similarity I, as an autistic who has encountered anti-vaxxers again and again, can't help but point out. "Give me a normal child or give them death."

This may have been written about already but there needs to be stories about teenage Julian (after finding out and rediscovering who he was) practicing some good ol' recognition of the self through media. I need to hear about how he would encounter a story about someone who came back wrong (I'm gonna assume there's plenty of "wrong" pov stories floating around by the 24th century) and absolutely weep. I need to see Julian mourning Jules, taking years and years to process his feelings, experiencing guilt about how he, the imposter, didn't deserve to live Jules' life.

Came back wrong from the returned's pov but it wasn't an accident. It was done to you deliberately by the people who claim to love you. And now you are here, piloting the corpse of your predecessor.

Jules Bashir is dead. Long live Julian Bashir.

#i've called julian jules before simply as a normal nickname but i don't think i ever will again. not after this #and knowing that if it had been possible i would have probably gone the way jules did. knowing that at his age i would have gone willingly.#fuck dude i am literally actually crying literal tears irl right now this is not a joke #fuck!!!!!#julian bashir #jules bashir #doctor bashir i presume #came back wrong #star trek deep space nine #HE WAS SIX YEARS OLD!! HE WAS SIX YEARS OLD AND THEY KILLED HIM!!!!#i cannot stop crying i am literally crying and like not even just a little #i cannot... poor julian how the FUCK do you ever come to terms with something like that #and like... julian remembers. he has most if not all of jules' memories and also knows he was murdered simply for not being julian #like how did he cope #(im about to go off on a tangent that will contain censored names for the sake of not clogging those tags if you dont know who i mean hmu)#like this is literally the thing that fucked up j*ran so bad he went on a murder spree isn't it #he remembers the one who came before who was killed. very different circumstances of course esp since tr*ll are expected to replace one ano #another but he remembers this person he remembers BEING this person who was young and simply enjoying life and who died a sudden death and #he remembers the experience of that death as well and how it lead to his own creation. it's not remotely similar ofc but considering that #the only time we see t*rias in alpha canon is in julian's body... i need to lie down for a moment.#and jor*n couldn't cope! he couldn't! it was far too much and the weird thing is right now in this moment i GET it y'know?? like that's #so horrific. and i haven't watched any jo*an episode besides facets yet but do you think. do you think j*dzia told julian about all this an #he nodded along and kept composure and then when he was alone he broke down crying? like julian you're doing SO well ily you're coping and #you shouldn't have to obviously but you do nonetheless!! do you think julian still has something from jules? like i've heard there's a tedd #but i mean jules prolly didn't keep a diary he was a six year old with an intellectual disability it's pretty unlikely he could write but #does julian have drawings made by jules? i'd like to think so but honestly his parents probably threw them out. like they also moved so #sorry i'm just. many thoughts head full. ive stopped crying now but who knows for how long. also i'll have to tag this with my original tag #maybe i should've picked something less silly for when i make serious posts but like what am i gonna change my url as well? don't think so #original posts fresh from quark's pussy #and thats the tag limit folks it's been fun. i had to delete two other tags but my god. anyway. thinking about jules bashir forever & cryin

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sesamenom · 2 months

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no living man may hinder me: The Gilded Wraith of Numenor

from the Reverse Gondolin AU, based on @who-needs-words's idea for Ar-Pharazon's fate! (they also wrote a ficlet for it, check it out here!)

#silm #silmarillion #lotr #lord of the rings #witch king #witch king of numenor #ar pharazon #eowyn #reverse gondolin au #ooh i need to do this pose for fingolfin and morgoth #the parallels though! eowyn facing pretty much certain death #but being brought back by hope in the Halls #while fingolfin faced morgoth because he lost all hope #also: in the au sauron & pharazon took a bunch of numenorean tech with them before the Downfall #bc nobody attacked valinor so all the airships and engines and stuff were still on the island #so we get Steampunk Tech Numenor #(perfect symbolism w industrialization too!)#which means of course the witch king of numenor gets a Gun Sword #which is frankly terrifying #his face is still visible here bc the tiny bit of maia/peredhel ancestry (still like 20x more than aragorn tho) protects him from the rings #enough that his fea & hroa haven't faded; just been corrupted #also in the au bc of Prince Elrond's involvement in numenorean politics ar pharazon is way more aware of potential loopholes #in the 'no living man' thing #aka arwen and galadriel #and honestly he expected to be slain by arwen #so he still overlooked eowyn (and merry)#just for very different reasons #less hubris in a 'i am invincible' way #and more hubris in a 'you arent nearly important enough to bother paying attention to' way

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thecruellestmonth · 12 days

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"Jason isn't the only one to die and return from the dead. He's not special, so he shouldn't be treated as special. He's not the first, and he's not the last."

"How could Bruce ever anticipate that Jason would return from the dead? Bruce coped how he needed to. The dead aren't supposed to judge how the living treat their memory."

🗣️📣 You can't pick both.

#Look I am not a ''fictional people need to be held accountable for bad behavior'' believer.#This isn't that. This is ''why are 2 contradictory excuses trotted out to suppress tasty tasty toxic family horror?''#Bruce and Jason #Jason Todd #I'm also not saying that Jason was canonically upset about Bruce telling people that he was a bad kid.#Because according to that long era‚ Bruce wasn't lying‚ Jason was a bad kid‚ and Jason agreed.#But what Jason does seem canonically upset about is that Bruce sees him as disposable.#On some level‚ even‚ Jason's death is fair. Acceptable. Expendable.#Jason violently disagreed with that‚ at least until the 2011 reboot.#He didn't think he *especially* deserved to live. He didn't expect Bruce or any of his parents to protect him.#But there are too many shitty men in the world who deserve to die more than he did! And he is going to kill them about it!#Where is that motivational post like ''Jason is inspiring bc he takes suicidal energy and says ''No. YOU kill YOURSELF.''#Yeah I loved that post.#Anyway for fic there is much canon to mine in how Bruce went against his own values doing disgusting shit in handling Jason's death.#And hypothetically a resurrected person has right to be upset about how the living poisoned their reputation #more than the right of their shit-talking parent to continue to be coddled for their own feelings.

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super-paper · 8 months

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is this too soon.

#mha spoilers #spoilers #it needs to be stressed that I don't think he's dead or going to die but that doesn't mean i'm not gonna have fun with toshibomb #my thoughts rn is that this is a set up for Toshi to gain access to the OFAFO vestige realm through a temporary death #Like... I kinda feel like he needs to hear NANA telling him to live because she and gran torino both enabled a lot of his issues #and he also needs to be there for Izuku's "I am here moment'' which I've always expected was gonna be in the vestige realm--#--as a deeply personal/private moment between Tenko and Izuku rather than a bold announcement to the world #we shall see!#yagi toshinori #my hero academia #dank mha meems #god melissa would be fucking devastated though. like bro she built that to protect you. she's watching this on live stream. 😭

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akkivee · 3 months

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there was some display gallery showing off the various logos in hypmic and the ichikuu peeps on the tl were in shambles over both of them using halos in their mc name signatures lol

#vee queued to fill the void #i understand lol this is a pretty big deal like actually lol #one fan suggested an nb logo could have angel imagery since nb was under stairway to heaven #another in a very fast paced series of tweets cried about it being potential sign of ichiro and kuukou’s bond spanning from life #but even into their deaths and beyond when they reunite in heaven (and even pointed out the meaning of stairway to heaven)#and goddamn i sure love being jacked into the hypmic hive mind i can’t believe i was just musing about kuukou and death #and then directly got food for thought LOL but ichiro!!!!!!! i wasn’t expecting ichiro lol!!!!!!#but bb has been weirdly associated with christmas aka the birth of jesus #who gave his life for humanity and i am too in shambles no way does both ichiro and kuukou have self sacrifice themes NO WAY #god i remember when the hella awesome banquet mv dropped and bat fandom banded together to dissect the video #one person commented it’s strange to see kuukou in association with catholic/christian imagery #but posted a wiki article talking about the similarities between buddha and jesus and the ideologies in those religions #*crying* i even posted about it the black crown above kuukou’s head was both catholic and buddhist and meant to be beneficial for humanity #ichiro constantly being shaken to his core by sacrifices…….. him trying to show the nation the path of hope…………#this is so much lol i love getting food for thought from random observations and drops lol

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wolframpant · 10 months

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Domina and the children of the next Julio-Claudian generation

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canon-toaster · 5 months

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LoTM chapter 946 spoilers :) (the drawing is below)

So uh I arrived at the fun rainbows and ponies chapters,,, I definitely did not have a mental breakdance on my couch

I have a little rant about the whole ordeal of me reading these chapters in the tags so bonne appétit

Also I have really no idea if i should hide the art behind a scroller if i did tag the spoiler but yk what I could never be too careful, I've seen people still reading on here so better be more cautious than not