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timeladyjamie · 3 years

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Robin Hood - 3x10 Bad Blood Meta

Here’s another crazy Robin Hood meta by Jamie about her thoughts pertaining to the confusing and retcon mess that is episode 3x10 of BBC Robin Hood.

Let me know your thoughts and I hope you enjoy my ramblings once again.

“I’ll free you, free you from the bad blood that shackles you to each other.” - Malcolm of Locksley to Robin & Guy

Where do I begin with this? No honestly, I’m not sure exactly where to start.

I guess I’ll start with the obvious fact that while most of the fandom dislikes Season 3 in general, this episode is only one of the things that fuels it more. You can tell that the writers were trying to come up with a Surprise Mcguffin™ to keep the show running despite a good majority of the cast wanting to leave the show (all except one honestly.) Hence the retcon mess that transpires. Don’t get me wrong, I actually love some things about this episode, but there are also somethings that make me (and the fandom) scratch our head and just downright facepalm.

Follow me through the ride that is this episode and make sure you don’t forget about that Mcguffin. There is a pop quiz on it later.

Welcome to the first episode where Guy has become an outlaw. What there is only 3 episodes of this before it’s the end? Yeah, I feel ya. We should have gotten more of this. Anywho, Robin runs into the newly outlaw Gisborne in the forest as the two do what they do best: argue and fight with each other. It leads to a strange hooded man in the forest who shoots them down with poison darts, ties them up, and tells them a bedtime story of their past once they awaken because he wants to end the bad blood between them.

Kay...sounds legit???

Flashback to 20 years earlier!

We are introduced to a couple kissing. Oh, don’t worry, it’s just Ghislaine of Gisborne and Malcolm of Locksley having a secret affair with each other. WAIT, WHAT?! Guy and Robin sit around the campfire as Gisborne tells him of the fact he spotted this happening. The stranger reminds Robin he was once on a different path. In fact, Guy and Robin both were.

This episode is pretty much about the affair between their parents and is mostly a flashback episode, so the only way I can explain it all is in the characters themselves.

Ghislaine of Gisborne - Guy & Isabella’s Mother

She’s a supposed widow who has two kids, is ridiculed by the villagers for not only trying to run a manor/village all on her own, but for also being French.

I LOVE THIS PRECIOUS MAMA! FIGHT ME! Her two children idolize her and love very much and so does her husband. Ghislaine was one of my favorites from this episode because despite her affair, it only ended up happening because she thought her husband was dead and since women (yes, even noblewomen) didn’t have many rights, the only way to secure her children’s future was to have a husband. Did Ghislaine love Malcolm? Yeah, probably, but there is also no denying the fact that even when her husband returns back from the crusade alive and is discovered as a leper, she still dearly loves him. She even sneaks to the leper colony to feed him and make sure he is well.

As for the way she dies....by pretty much getting knocked back by Malcolm and hitting her head on the floor, I can see it, but I still call BS.

Ghislaine was greatly loved by children so much that even once they discover the truth about her affair, they try to deny she would be capable of such a thing.

Malcolm of Locksley - Robin’s Father

THIS ASSHOLE! With all the problems I have with this episode, they all stem from this man right here. Who knows what happened to his wife? She’s never even mentioned, but it’s assumed she passed away. He’s a somewhat good father to Robin...at least he gives him helpful advice. He helps support Ghislaine while her husband is gone.

But once everything is out in the open about the Secret Mcguffin, this shitstick says that despite the fact her husband has returned, he will declare his feelings for her, marry her or else once it’s discovered her husband is a leper, she will lose everything. Ghislaine is obviously having trouble accepting this, so he says she will have their Secret Mcguffin in secret and have it taken away for a short while until they can recover it.

Once Roger is kicked from the village for being found as a leper, probably by the hands of Malcolm since he was with the priest and bailiff when it happened. However, after the event when Robin refuses to go inside a lepers house, Malcolm at least calls his kid out on his shit. He also tries to defend Ghislaine from the bailiff who has spotted out their Secret Mcguffin, but does a wrong move by trying to marry her soon or else she will lose her lands to sneaky bailiff that goes to take the deeds at his order.

But here’s the cake taker for me: despite fighting Roger for breaking the code to visit his wife, Malcolm of Locksley fakes his own death and makes his son think he is dead for years until he shows up to tell him this very story. Yep, the strange hooded man is none other than Malcolm of Locksley himself, much older and scared by the fire during his fight with Roger. Oh, and he only appears in this one episode to unite Guy and Robin to find the Mcguffin before disappearing again.

*sarcastic* A+ Parenting right here. Wow.

Roger of Gisborne - Guy & Isabella’s Father

This man is literally EVERYTHING Malcolm wants to be...no honestly, he’s literally trying to take his wife, and his lands, and probably his kids too.

Presumed to have died fighting in the crusades, he mysteriously returns back with a secret (and no, it’s not the Mcguffin.) He contracted leporsy. He confides in his wife who tries to keep it a secret despite the villagers talking about the possibility of it. This man loves his wife and his kids dearly and pleads with his wife to pronounce herself a widow so his family doesn’t follow in his fate; homeless in a leper camp in the forest. Roger even tells Malcolm to take good care of his wife and kids, but still doesn’t know of the affair between them.

When Guy comes to warn his father of the fact Malcolm is trying to get Ghislaine to marry him, rules be damned. This man goes back to the village and speaks with his wife. Malcolm walks in on them and that’s when shit hits the fan. The asshole fights him for no good reason and when his wife is knocked dead, Roger refuses to leave her side and stays in the fire to die by her side.

I mean, it doesn’t help their kids, but the kids have already lost their future at this point.

Meet Young Robin of Locksley

He’s small, a great archer, and comes off as an irritating brat that accidentally causes trouble and ends up almost getting you hanged for it (whoops, sorry Guy.) He doesn’t listen to others that well, but can you blame him? He’s only 11.

He is assumed to be childhood friends with Guy, or at least they live in the same village and their parents know each other (a little too well.) While the focus is on the parents in this episode, it was nice to see a Young Robin and Guy. Especially at the end when Robin finally listens to his father’s advice and takes up his bow, refusing to be afraid and fight for what’s right.

Sure, I mean his dad faked his death and left him all on his own, but this kid will go places.

Meet Young Guy of Gisborne

Me being the big Guy fangirl I am, of course I have a lot to say about him. And of course it’s one of the reasons I love this episode: because we get hindsight into his backstory and find out why he turns into the asshole he is later on in life. This is pretty much a episode that makes you sympathize with him if you haven’t already and lets us see why he has no family as he’s told us in Season 1 and 2.

Despite being 15-16, this boy comes off like an older brother figure when interacting with Robin. He easily shows his emotions unlike his older self and honestly just wants to protect his family. He doesn’t like that his mother is having an affair and feels she is being used by Malcolm. He also doesn’t like that his mother is visiting his father in the leper colony despite telling him not to do so himself.

While trying to defend his parents when Malcolm comes bursting through the front door like a wild man, Guy grabs a torch, trying to scare him away. Malcolm pushes him back which ends up causing said torch to fall from his hands and start the house fire. While the parents quarrel inside, the manor burns to the ground and the parents with it.

The other asshole (and supposedly main villain of this episode) Bailiff Longthorn exiles the Gisborne kids since the lands are his now and Guy is left to raise his little sister; homeless, penniless and without any help. He had to quickly become tough in life. Sorry, it just makes me sympathize with him more.

Meet Archer: The Mcguffin - Robin & Guy’s Half-Brother

I love and hate this character so much. He only appears as a baby in this episode, but he is the reason that Malcolm of Locksley finally shows his face after hiding for years. Apparently he had been searching for him the whole time, but neglected Robin, wow. Okay....sure.

It’s not Archer’s fault but yet it is. When you meet an older version of him in the next episode, there is no denying he has a wonderful personality and lots of potential, but yet the reason he was created bugs me, especially since we only get to “know” him in only 3 episodes which isn’t enough honestly.

Jamie’s Pros & Cons of this episode:

Pros:

Backstory exploration showing the history between Guy & Robin that explains their conflicts with each other (Despite both losing their parents, Guy also lost his home and titles which were given to Robin by the villagers.)

Introduction to the parents (Roger, Ghislaine and Malcolm.)

The Acting

Young Guy and Robin. Just look at how adorable they are.

A cause that unites Robin & Guy to work together for the only family they have left (Archer)

Cons:

The story can be confusing at times. I definitely didn’t understand it the first time I watched. In fact, I still question things.

The somewhat love triangle between Roger, Ghislaine and Malcolm. It feels more forced on Malcolm’s side then anything else because he is literally coming between a couple that is already married and clearly in love with each other.

Malcolm of Locksley. Mostly everything he does in this episode is stupid. Lets not talk about the fact he left his kid thinking he was dead for years only to show up once telling him the story of how he abandoned him....only to abandon him once again. Great, give this man Best Dad in the World mug.

The townspeople who don’t help the Gisborne kids and criticize them for being French and exiling them, but giving everything to Robin because he’s the kid of an English Noblemen. What assholes.

The fact that when you think about it: this episode is just a way to bring Guy & Robin together as well as keep the show going with Archer as the new Robin. Yep, that’s pretty much why our Mcguffin was created. I think they could have brought Guy and Robin together in a way that didn’t involve a secret Half-Brother between them....but that’s just me.

The puzzling questions of Retcon:

Is the land that the Gisborne’s run Locksley village or is it an unnamed village? Where is Marian? How did Robin grow up fine and well if Malcolm left him behind? How did Guy and Isabella survive for the little bit they had together before he sold her as bride when she turned 13? Why wasn’t this established sooner? Oh yeah, that’s right, it’s a retcon.

My thoughts in total:

Despite my issues with this episode, It’s actually one of the ones I enjoy in Season 3. I love that we got a glimpse into Guy and Robin’s backstories and firmly know that a character’s backstory is what shapes them into the people they are going to be later on down the road and this episode is proof of that.

It’s a good episode in itself, but it clearly has some flaws that just don’t make sense and leave you with questions. I think if anything, this should have been revealed earlier in the season or done differently.

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buildarocketboys · 4 years

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Back to Sleep

Just a quick bittersweet Guy of Gisborne ficlet (is there any other kind?) for Nanowrimo because the 1st October prompt inspired me. Might try and do some more.

There's a memory that Guy of Gisborne keeps, safely buried in the depths of his brain, wrapped in the swaddling of his childhood, before everything went bad. The softest, purest memory, not by any means to be tainted by the impurities that surround his life and his actions today.

But still, sometimes, after hard days being yelled at and tortured by the Sheriff, or yelling at and torturing villagers, or simply being humiliated or embarrassed by Hood and his gang, or by Marian...he'll carefully unwrap it, in the depths of the night, when he's completely sure he's alone, and remember his mother's voice, and her memory.

"When you were just a babe," Ghislaine told Guy, ten years old, knees scraped (and tenderly bandaged by Ghislaine) after running from the younger boys (a game, apparently, but never one that Guy has found any fun or amusement in), "you were so quiet. It is, strange, really. You could bawl with the rest of them when you wanted to, but as long as you could see me, as long as I was near - you were mute as a fish."

Guy giggled at that. "Mute as a fish?"

Ghislaine waved her hand. "However you say it in English. Muet comme une carpe."

"Ohh. Quiet as a church mouse," he provided.

Ghislaine patted his cheek affectionately. "That's my clever boy." Guy blushed in equal parts embarrassment and pride. "Anyway, as I was saying...with Isabella, I struggled, you know, because she would cry often, when nothing was wrong, whether I was near her or no. That's not unusual for babies. But you were different. I always knew, if you were upset, all I had to do was hold you in my arms and you would settle."

Guy smiled. "Well I am much less of a handful than Isabella."

Ghislaine shook her head smilingly. "She's a girl, she's entitled. Anyway," she said, pulling him into her lap and tickling him so he giggled, curling up, "you're enough of a handful, mon coeur. You shouldn't let those boys bully you."

Guy stopped giggling and made a face. "I know that," he said, in the long-suffering tone of a ten-year-old. "I just don't understand how."

Ghislaine hummed in understanding, and Guy fell back against her with a sigh. For a moment they stayed like that, Ghislaine's hand running comfortingly through Guy's hair. "It's still the same," she said eventually. "You still calm in my presence." She gently pushed Guy from her lap; his heart stuttered for a moment until he realised she was only turning him to look at her. "I'll always be here. You know that, Guy?"

Guy nodded his head. Then his face went serious, as it was wont to do, more than other boys his age, Ghislaine had noticed. "But not forever though," he said, looking troubled. "I mean, you'll die one day, right?"

Ghislaine chuckled at her son's bluntness. "Why, Guy, don't you know I'm going to live forever?" Guy just scowled; Ghislaine, who had been memorising Guy's expressions since the moment he was born, knew this one meant 'take me seriously, Maman'. She endeavoured to put on her most serious face. "You're right," she said. "Although I may very well outlive you, especially if you follow in your father's footsteps." Guy looked mildly horrified at that, and Ghislaine couldn't blame him. "Time enough for that later," she said, stroking his hair again, "but if I do die before you...it doesn't matter. I'll be with you always, Guy." She placed her hand on his heart. "In here."

Guy nodded. He remembers feeling relieved - that same relief washes over him now. She is still there; he hasn't lost her for good, even if he will never see her again, in life or in death.

After that, he's usually able to go to sleep.

#guy of gisborne #robin hood bbc #Ghislaine #sir guy of gisborne #fanfic #my writing #also guy is totally autistic sorrynotsorry #title is a Frank Turner song (bc ofc it is)

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jadelotusflower · 2 years

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Robin Hood Rewatch: 3x10 - Bad Blood

aka Retcon: The Episode, aka Childhood Trauma, aka Daddy Issues

Kate, not being in this episode, is safe from my ire week - this time it is directed towards Malcolm, the worst father in the world. I’m aware that this rewatch has devolved from a commentary into a litany of complaints, so proceed with caution.

Again, they should have called this episode Sins of the Father instead of 3x04.

Guy is very nervous walking around the forest, carrying a makeshift bow and arrow. Robin finds him and they draw their swords instead of trying to shoot each other.

I think it’s pretty clear now that we’ll never see Robin’s scimitar again - it was left in the Holy Land and he carries a broadsword now. Just another confirmation that the Robin of season 1-2 has been all but erased.

But before we can get to our once-a-season Robin/Guy smackdown, they both get shot with sleeping darts from a unknown assailant.

Credits! Where we don’t get our usual cast, since they won’t be appearing in this episode. Instead we get the guest stars, and all the clips are of Robin and Guy, which is quite well done actually.

This episode is written by Lisa Holdsworth, who wrote Let the Games Commence earlier this season.

Robin and Guy wake up around a fire, where a hooded figure with a raspy voice wants to tell them a story. We know it’s Malcolm, and that the boys don’t figure that out when he starts to tell the story that only he and a dead woman would know, is a choice.

“Everyone knew that we both became orphans that day.” Everyone except the audience!

And we’re into the flashback, helpfully “twenty years earlier” where Malcolm and Ghislaine are meeting in secret. “Ghislaine of Gisborne” has real Julia Goolia vibes. She’s played by Sophie Winkleman, who was older Susan in Narnia 2005 - and Lady Susan in Sanditon if you like coincidences.

Teenage Guy is rather creepily spying on them.

Back in the present, Robin refuses to believe it and is likely projecting a little when he steadfastly declares his father “loved one woman only.”

We don’t know what happened to Robin’s mother - my headcanon is that she died in childbirth.

Guy accuses Robin of being shielded from reality by Malcolm, and...yes? Generally parents try to shield their eight (ten?) year old children from the ills of the world?

There’s was a feast at Locksley, and we see little Isabella, even if she gets no lines the entire episode. And wait...if Robin and Isabella knew each other as children, and appear to be around the same age, why was this never mentioned before now? I know, it hadn’t been thought of yet, but this should have played heavily into their dynamic.

Missing from the flashback who should have been there: Edward and Marian - I would have liked a nice little scene with Robin and Marian bickering or something, but maybe they didn’t want to visibly put teenage Guy next to small child Marian.

It’s conceivable they wouldn’t be at a feast in Gisborne, but Much absolutely should have been there. There’s no excuse for him not to be, other than they wanted to hone in on Robin and Guy.

The bailiff Longthorn arrives to ask who will be lord now that Ghislaine’s husband has been declared dead, and when she says herself he argues that the land should be returned to the Locksley holdings

Malcolm is referred to “Lord Locksley” - isn’t he an Earl? Lord Huntingdon, surely? Anyway he chooses not to take the lands back.

Alright, my next pet peeve. Robin’s recurve bow. I suppose it was never explicit that he got it himself in the Holy Land, only that Luke Scarlett was unfamiliar with it - which technically works since he wouldn’t have been born at the time on this flashback. But if Robin had been kicking around with that thing for years, surely it wouldn’t be such a novelty?

And where did Malcolm get it? Did he fight in the crusades too? I know it’s pedantic to keep bringing history into a show that is deliberately ahistorical, but this flashback would be taking place around 1174-5, when there was no active conflict in which England was involved in the Holy Land, and there’s no indication that Roger went there for either pilgrimage or penance.

The recurve bow as an inheritance from his useless father takes away from the character beat of Robin acquiring knowledge and respect on his own journey, and I hate that it’s been repurposed like this.

So we get to the purpose of this episode: junior jerk Robin and sullen sadboi Guy, to make us think that hey teen Guy wasn’t so bad after all, and ugh, child Robin sucks. It’s just so...inelegant.

I actually think Charlie Row is a good fit for young Robin, but Tommy Bastow as young Guy is less of a match.

Robin shows off trying to shoot down a lantern and instead the fire wheel comes crashing down on a priest - he then denies he was responsible.

Longthorn blames Guy and throws his misogyny around, wanting him hanged to hurt Ghislaine. Malcolm is comically inept despite ostensibly being the well respected Earl, and Roger arrives to exert his status as lord of the manor. Longthorn stabs his hand and Roger shows no pain, Ghislaine arrives to say the priest will live, and Guy is freed.

Robin of the present claims that he made a mistake and the incident made him a better man, child Robin is penitent at his mother’s grave. He confesses to his father the hypocrite, who tells Robin he must take responsibility when he’s done something wrong.

As an explanation for Why Robin Is The Way He is, there’s just not enough in this for me.

Ghislaine and Malcolm meet in the forest, and he’s figured out Roger has leprosy. And uh oh, she’s preggers, and too far along to pass it off as Roger’s. Longthorn is spying from the woods, and wow are these two terrible at secret meetings.

Malcolm seizes on the opportunity to cast Roger out and marry Ghislaine himself, what a creep. Not so keen on applying that taking responsibility speech to himself and his unborn child, is he?

Back at Locksley Gisborne Manor, Roger is sitting by the fire. I know they just repurposed the Locksley set and it’s not actually meant to be the same house, but they didn’t even remove the Locksley crest from the mantle.

He knows about the affair, but is remarkably sanguine about it - and we have the comparison of Guy’s father = pretty decent fellow, and Robin’s father = dick.

Roger is condemned as a leper, including by the priest Ghislaine saved. She declares herself a widow. He is unable to climb out of the grave by himself and Malcolm helps him - an act that makes him seem generous to the people, when we know it’s his fault Roger has been cast out. I really can’t express how much I hate Malcolm.

Guy, distressed, tries to follow and Malcolm stops him, reminding us that not only has Malcolm’s actions hurt Ghislaine - a woman he claims to love - but he has taken a father away from Guy and Isabella, all for his own selfish ends.

Robin declares he won’t go in a leper’s house, and this is where I feel the characterisation doesn’t square with his future self - hubris, self-aggrandizing and showing off, sure, but Robin at his core is kind, particularly to those below him, in a way that seems more innate that acquired. Yes he’s still a child, and the plot of this episode is that he “learned” to be better because of these events, but it just doesn’t ring true for me.

Not that I think Robin does anything terribly bad this episode - he’s a brat at worst and still a child, but it seems a deliberate turn of the narrative to position him as the cause of Guy’s ruin in a way that is reminiscent of Once Upon a Time and the villianisation of child Snow.

“Imagine you had lost what he had lost.” I mean, we just saw a scene of Robin at his mother’s grave? He has indeed previously lost what Guy has just lost?

Longthorn arrives to blackmail Malcolm and Ghislaine - he wants the Gisborne lands or he’ll blab about the baby. Malcolm’s plan is to agree to hold him off, then quickly marry her so the lands become his. Either Malcolm is just stupid or is again forming plans that suit him best - he could simply say that now that Roger’s been stripped of his holdings he’s exerting his right to reclaim Gisborne after all.

Even if Longthorn did tell everyone about the baby, I hardly think it would be that big of a scandal, so long as they married before the child was born. Again, Malcolm’s the Earl! He has immense privilege and power! A lowly bailiff is hardly going to be an obstacle!

Teen Giz sees Ghislaine visit Roger at the leper colony, and is quite rightly angry that she forbids Guy from seeing him but goes herself.

He confronts her and suggests they all go back to France, but she goes into labour.

Baby Archer has a birthmark of an arrow on his chest. Malcolm takes him away to give to a random mustache.

Back at the leper colony, Guy tells Roger about the wedding and accuses him of not fighting for their family.

Robin is practicing his archery and sees Roger, rushing to tell everyone about it and Longthorn whips up the mob. Just to make sure Guy has a “valid” reason to hate Robin, I guess.

Guy accidentally starts a fire trying to keep Malcolm away, then gets the silent Isabella out (seriously, why does Isabella get absolutely no attention in the flashbacks?).

Malcolm finds Roger with Ghislaine upstairs, the men fight and the Robin/Marian/Guy parallel could not be more on the nose.

Ghialaine really has no agency granted to her at all - she starts out strong declaring she will be the “lady of the manor” but then spends the flashback drawn along by the whims of Malcolm and Roger as she vacillates between them, has her baby taken away, and then dies.

Robin tries to go inside to his father, but is retrained by the priest. Guy just stands there, and in the present day laments that he should have gone in to save his mother.

Malcolm reveals that she was already dead, as when she tries to stop him killing Roger he pushes her away and she hits her head. Okay, so it could get more on the nose.

In the present, Guy tries to strangle Robin - his impeccable logic being since Malcolm is already dead, he can kill Robin in his stead. Malcolm reveals that the former isn’t true.

Because it turns out Roger couldn’t bring himself to kill Malcolm, instead he just wants to die with Ghislaine.

Robin throws Guy off, claiming that his father never would have left him alone. Malcolm reveals himself, heavily scarred from the fire, and Robin’s heart visibly breaks.

“How could I be your father, after what I’d done?” Um...maybe that’s when you most needed to be his father, Malcolm? Not leave your small child all alone because of your selfishness? Take responsibility for your actions? Try to atone? Look after Isabella and Guy after you made them orphans? How about that?

The same could be said of Roger, choosing to lay down and die rather than be there for his own children. Sins of the father(s) indeed.

Guy gets to be relieved of guilt, thinking he started the fire that killed his parents, Malcolm asks that Guy and Robin forgive each other, for the sake of their brother.

“You lost the right to call me son when you left me alone in the world.” Good response from Robin, but then Malcolm has the AUDACITY to say “but didn’t it make you the man you are today?”

Because you see, this traumatic childhood event was character building for Robin! That makes it all okay!

Longthorn tries to seize Gisborne, but the priest points out that they should revert to the Locksley holdings and their new master: Robin.

There’s something almost interesting going on with the priest here - he’s on Robin’s side, he wants to help him, and we can infer that he becomes a mentor to Robin in the following years, perhaps where he acquires his religious fervor and desire to go on crusade. I just think there were so many other interesting stories to tell about a Robin/Guy backstory but we got stuck with this secret baby nonsense.

Robin Refuses the Call and runs away to his mother’s grave. She is not named in this episode and is only a narrative device, another missed opportunity.

But instead Robin hears his useless father’s voice: “you shouldn’t stand by and let something terrible happen because you were too scared to do the right thing.” A more compelling narrative would have been child Robin learning of his father’s actions and realising he’s a fallen idol, therefore being compelled and committed not to repeat his mistakes - instead we have Robin buying into his platitudes even though we know Malcolm to be a hypocritical pos.

And the bow APPEARS FROM FUCKING NOWHERE WITH A SHAFT OF HEAVENLY LIGHT. Come on, show. The bow was absolutely not there in the preceding shot, there is no rational explanation for its appearance.

Holdsworth took Campbell’s Supernatural Aid quite literally, apparently.

Robin returns to the village where Longthorn’s men are already terrorising the people, and does anyone else think this should have been a young Vaisey? Perhaps that’s too much of a coincidence, although it would make a kind of sense - he is ousted by Robin as a boy, goes on to do dastardly deeds and return 15 years later and assume the role he coveted and more.

It probably wouldn’t have worked from a Guy perspective, given he tried have him hanged, unless that actually played into Guy’s twisted relationship with him - playing on his resentment.

Robin declares that he will care for the people as his father intended, ironically exerting more authority than Malcolm managed in the opening scene. You know you suck as a lord when an eight (ten?) year old is more effective.

The priest villagers support Robin, and he basks in their love.

In the present, Robin declares he can never forgive Guy “because he showed no remorse for what he did to Marian.” It’s interesting how his language has already shifted from anger at him killing Marian, to a grudge because he doesn’t show remorse for killing her.

Guy deflects, and Robin says he killed for the Sheriff for years, to which Guy implies they should be grateful for him because otherwise they’d still be under his rule, and Robin is surprised to learn this? They didn’t know Guy killed Vaisey? Who else would it have been?!?

Malcolm tells them Archer is in York jail ready to be executed. WHY DON’T YOU GO SAVE HIM THEN YOU USELESS PRICK? Oh he’s too sick and dying, well boo hoo. Clean up your own mess Malcolm.

I mean just the AUDACITY to run away, leave your small child with a huge responsibility thinking his parents are dead, and never make contact with him or try to help him until your other son gets in a sticky spot, then you dump the problem in your first born’s lap, insist he work with the man he has every reason to hate, and peace out. Malcolm is THE WORST.

Robin is however moved, and embraces Malcolm. Instead of returning it, or taking the time to talk to his son who has just magnanimously forgiven him, Malcolm sticks him with another sleeping dart. A complete waste of space until the end, slinking off into the shadows instead of lifting a finger to help either of his children. Worst. Father. Ever.

Seeing this, Guy says “look, I really have no desire to see you again” which is a brief light in an episode absolutely devoid of humour, but still gets shot and gives an exasperated look before passing out.

I am just baffled that it was written this way instead of Malcolm just dropping dead for whatever reason at that moment. I mean, where does he go after this? What does he do? How awful for Robin to wake up after being reunited with his father, finding out that father is a terrible person, and just go on not knowing what actually happened to him.

Guy and Robin head off to York to rescue Archer, who unfortunately takes after Malcolm in the character department.

I just am sad about this episode. I LOVE an flashback episode. I am a sucker for a flashback episode. This was just...a waste of a flashback episode, solely to setup this secret half-brother to Robin and Guy to bypass any actual character development and make them allies of necessity, but without actually exploring anything about them by revealing their pasts.

I don’t object to them having grown up together - in fact that’s interesting! But instead we spend the episode with Malcolm, Ghislaine, and Roger instead of Robin and Guy, with only the barest lip service to explaining why they became the men they did.

But I suppose why does it matter at this point, we’re steamrolling to the end of the season to put us out of our misery.

#robin hood bbc #robin hood rewatch #3x10 #bad blood

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halvplans · 4 years

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GHISLAINE OF GISBORNE: actual treasure of a woman who did not deserve what she got.

Regardless of her relationship with Malcolm ( which Robin knew nothing about at the time, remember ) Ghislaine always treated Robin like a son of her own. This little boy who is so eager to please but has never had a mother who was alive, not as far as he can remember. Of course Robin wasn’t her son, Guy and Isabella are her children and he never overtook them in her affections but she treated him with love and with a motherly affection that he hadn’t gotten from anyone before. She’s a very positive influence on him. Though he talks a lot after the fire of his Father’s justice and morals ( because that is how he remembers him ) it is Ghislaine’s innate kindness to everyone that really influences him the most. His sense of justice comes not from the rule of law, as his father’s tends to ( whcih we do see him echo when he tells his father that roger, despite being outcast, is back. even though Robin Hood would probably handle the situation very differently ) , but from an idea that you must be kind to those around you even if they are supposedly lesser than you. He has also never seen anyone, never mind a woman, taken on Longthorne’s scorn better than she has and he admires that. He strives for her affection and praise almost as much as he strives for his father’s. her influence on him is so profound and it’s also why he struggles to understand the man that Guy becomes. She might have been motherly to him but she was Guy’s Mother and yet Guy seems to show none of what she taught any of them.

#( ghislaine of gisborne. )

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a-deadly-serenade · 4 years

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The Shield and the Sword: Chapter 14: Take This Farewell and A Shot of Whiskey or Two [Alucard/Reader]

You’re a witch that is skilled in herbology, one that has been persecuted by the church for practically your entire life. In spite of this, moving throughout different towns has allowed you to pick up some chatter about a woman in a village called Lupu. She is supposed to be a wonder when it comes to medicine, and this immediately perks up your interest. So after plucking up some courage, you’ve made it to her door… hoping that she takes you as her apprentice.

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As the infamous saying goes, all good things must come to an end, and your time in Caliacra was no exception.

However, your time there had been filled with more happiness and love than you could remember in recent memory.

The days felt both long and short. The meals between family seemed to pass by in seconds, the food and drink a mere afterthought in comparison to the jubilant conversation that flowed around the room like water from a stream.

Intimate moments you managed to steal with Adrian were on your mind on replay; the two of you seemingly frozen in time as you walked along the beach together hand-in-hand or as you stood on the balcony of his bedroom watching the stars twinkle in the night sky.

The Gisborne family was the first to bid adieu, Roger and Ghislaine exchanging chaste kisses on everyone’s cheeks as they bid farewell. Even grumpy Guy cracked a smile at your awkward first try at giving everyone a bise in exchange.

Isabella’s arms and neck were decorated in jewelry the two of you had made together with the seashells she had collected and it almost made your smile crack. But she reminded you that even though goodbyes are hard, she was positive that you would see each other again soon.

A few days later, Dougal and Adelaide were headed back home. That one had been a little more difficult, you must admit.

Despite only meeting her all but a week ago, you thought it impossible to imagine a life without Adelaide. You would be remiss to say that she hadn’t had an incredible impact on your life, the conversation the two of you shared that night of the party had truly been eye-opening. You doubted you’d ever be able to repay her for the kindness she did you that day, but she always promised you that your friendship was more than enough.

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robinhoodofsherwood-rpg · 4 years

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Carter - 35 years old - King John’s Men

Resident of Locksley Manor Son of War Former Knight fighting in the Holy Lands

- About Carter

Carter, alike Robin, spend five years in the Holy Land, fighting for King Richard in front of Jeruzalem, until he was fatally wounded, and spend months recovering. The King send him back to England, against his own wishes. While on the road he heard how his older brother Marcus died in battle, by the side of Robin of Locksley. Angered, but unable to return, Carter waited for his brother’s body to return. They buried him, and Carter set out again. This time he entered the service of the Sheriff of Nottingham, knowing what happened to Robin of Locksley, he’s still waiting for his chance of a good conversation so he can finally find out what happened to his brother.

- Personality

Carter is mysterious, often drunk but still not much of a talker, he’s known to be a liability only in that he turns violent when something goes wrong. He has a lot of pilled up anger, and a problem with authority. If given the chance to fight against Robin Hood, he’ll gladly take it, even against the wishes of his peers.

- Connections

Guy of Gisborne; Carter tries to remain friends with Guy, albeit he knows there is little the man can do to convince the Sheriff to let him go. Sheriff of Nottingham; while he respects him, he also is wise enough to fear hm. Jasper; he thinks the man to be lazy, but doesn’t mention it, because the two of them often have to deal together with the wrath of the Sheriff. Ghislaine; he respect Ghislaine because of her ability as a fighter, yet is cautious with his affections. Abel; she is charming, albeit a little too curious. Rebecca; he has nothing bad to say about Rebecca, she has accepted him around Nottingham. Isabella; he doesn’t trust people who merely do things for money. Lady Marian; he thinks Lady Marian is beautiful, cunning, but he also knows there is more to her. Daniel; he’s a coward. Edward; an old man. Kate; he likes Kate, she might ask him a lot of questions, and she is a little hot-headed, but he enjoys teasing her by being mysterious in his answers.

FC: Oliver Jackson-Cohen

#lsrp #original rp #literate rp #town rp #oliver jackson cohen #open #char #kjm #carter

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robinhoodofsherwood-promo · 4 years

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Carter - 35 years old - King John’s Men

Resident of Locksley Manor Son of War Former Knight fighting in the Holy Lands

- About Carter

- Personality

- Connections

FC: Oliver Jackson-Cohen

#literate rp #oliver jackson cohen #original rp #lsrp #town rp

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lyledebeast · 6 years

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Robin Hood for the ask meme!

@thymelady This is for you too since you sent me a message about it!

Who I will protect at all costs: Guy of GisborneWho deserves better:Everybody who isn’t RobinWho was killed off too early: MARIANWho I used to hate but now I love: Nobody really? I appreciate Much more thanks to @captxandri but I never came anywhere near hating him.Who I used to love but now I hate: I mean, I love and hate Vaisey by turns, and sometimes both at the same time, so him I guess?Who needs to be killed off asap:ROBIN (I know he gets killed off at the end of s3, but man it needed to happen in s1 so everyone could live their own lives.)Who is unfairly hated: Isabella of GisborneWho is unfairly loved: Gosh I don’t know, maybe … Robin???Who needs to sort out their priorities:The entire gang, tbh.Who needs a hug:Allan a Dale, Guy of Gisborne, Isabella of Gisborne, Edward of Knighton, Much … a lot of people!Who needs to get out of their current relationship: Marian and MuchWho the writers love:Robin (and he’s the only one they love).Who needs a better storyline: Again, everybody who isn’t Robin.Who has an amazing redemption arc: Eh, Guy’s is okay in some respects, Except where it involves being exposed to the gang’s rancor to make Robin look magnanimous.Who is hot af: Guy and Isabella (Ghislaine and Roger had some good looking kids, okay?)Who belongs in jail: Nobody, they all deserve either freedom or death.Who needs to be revived from the dead: Roy, Marian, and Allan.

#bbc robin hood #thanks!

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For the fandom thing, Robin hood bbc? And for the character one, guy of gisborne?

Ahhh Rouke I love you so much for this!

Robin Hood BBC:

Favorite character: Guy of Gisborne (who else? I blame Richard Armitage, Sarah Kennedy on radio 2 for planting the idea in my head, and my easily swayed 12 year old self. But also he's a good fucking character lol)

Least favourite character: uhhh as a *character* probably Robin. Literally such an arrogant piece of shit who rarely acknowledges his own privilege (when it comes to his gang and the fact that he's a noble and they're...not) or his own faults. And we're still meant to see him as the ultimate good guy/hero. Pass.

5 favourite ships:

- Guy/Marian (I want to be clear though, this is one of those ships where the character dynamic is absolutely fascinating and a joy to watch, but I honestly don't think it actually becoming canon would be a) a good story or b) good for either of them)

- Guy/Allan (just. I fucking love how Allan gives no shits and treats Guy like a normal fucking human. He calls him Giz! And that dream Guy has about both Marian AND Allan massaging his shoulders while sweet talking him...I'm just saying. Anyway as opposed to Guy/Marian I actually think these two are good for each other and I wish their dynamic had been explored more, especially when Guy joins the outlaws in s3 but it's not explored *at all*)

- Marian/friendship with any female character. Fucking seriously. Let her vibe with Djaq (although ig I hc Djaq as nb. Any non-male character then) and bitch about the boys. PLEASE. She needs it.)

- Marian/Allan friendship (I'm realising doing this that I care far more about the friendships in this show than the romantic relationships. But seriously, these two people are in exactly the same position in opposite sides ie spies for the various teams, and that's fascinating, especially as Allan still protects Marian/has her back after he's found out. They probably kind of mildly dislike each other at first but it's bc they see a lot of their worst selves in each other. But honestly together these two can rule the world with banter and pure deviousness)

- Much/literally anyone who respects and values him as a person I'm begging you pleassssee (seriously, he gets this for like half an episode with Eve, which is lovely, but then it's back to being the butt of the Gang's jokes and Robin's punching bag/servant/""best friend"". And when Much wants any kind of display of friendship and affection from Robin, Robin makes fun of it and acts like it's such a chore. Ugh.)

Character I find most attractive: Guy of Gisborne started off my lifelong Richard Armitage obsession so it can't be anyone else. That is a beautiful, beautiful man. Marian is also gorgeous.

Character I would marry: Djaq or Much

Character I would be best friends with: literally all of Team Castle - Guy bc he badly needs /someone/ to be his friend (although I doubt he'd let me), Allan bc he'd be hilarious, Marian bc we could bitch about everyone and just have some good times. Ultimately Allan is probably the kind of person I'd be most likely to befriend irl.

A random thought: @Robin King Richard sucks bro and when he dies Prince John is gonna be king anyway, monarchy as a concept sucks anyway, consider dismantling it instead of putting all your faith in things getting better when the king returns

An unpopular opinion: I actually don't hate s3 the way much of the fandom seems to? Yes it was a trainwreck (hello? Have you watched this show? The whole thing is a trainwreck) and I hate that Marian died but I do think it went some interesting places we hadn't been before, especially re Guy (who lbr is the character I care most about). Don't get me wrong, it didn't do it very well, but I rewatch it more than s1.

My canon OTP:....uhhhhhh....does Guy/Marian count?? They're not really an OTP anymore though (although they used to be when I was like. 13.) They just have a cool dynamic.

My non-canon OTP: Guy/Allan ig

Most badass character: Marian, 100%. Especially s1 Marian. Icon. Queen of guerrilla fighting and sassy comebacks and saying fuck you to men.

Most epic villain: I guess the Sheriff? Idk about epic but he is the epitome of cartoonishly evil, which is fun to watch. Love to hate him.

Pairing I am not a fan of: Robin/Marian 🤢🤢🤢 (not saying it's bad if you ship it lmao, Robin is kind of a dick but it's more I can't stand how unbearably cheesy it is)

Character I feel the writers screwed up: What character DIDN'T they screw up? But I feel like they screwed over Isabella the worst. They made her seem unreasonably evil when her anger was entirely 100% valid and fair.

Favourite friendship: None of the friendships I actually enjoy were written to their full potential. But I guess Guy and Allan?

Character I most identify with: Allan or Djaq

Character I wish I could be: wouldn't want to be in her situation but would love to be as badass as Maz

Guy of Gisborne:

How I feel about this character: my terrible overdramatic emo son. Wish he could have had a proper redemption arc without killing Marian.

Any/all people I ship romantically with this character: Marian and Allan. And I guess Meg for the brief moment in time where that was a thing.

My favourite non-romantic relationship for this character: I know we only get a hint of it (and she dies) but I love Guy's relationship with Ghislaine. I just feel like they had such a loving relationship and then it all went to hell :( I also kind of think both Guy/Marian and Guy/Allan might work better/be more interesting as friendships

My unpopular opinion about this character: tbh in this fandom even liking him is an unpopular opinion to a lot of people 😂 I think if you took away the sheriff, he'd treat Marian better than Robin treats her (I mean, in some ways he already does but also like...he burns her house down soooo)

One thing I wish had happened with this character in canon: oh boy so many things. But the two places my mind goes most often are 1. Escaping the castle (with Allan and/or Marian), probably after Treasure of the Nation (ie my favourite RH episode of all time) and either joining the gang (equal parts hilarious and angsty) or starting a life somewhere new, away from all this bullshit and 2. Just more gang shenanigans after he joins them in s3. We had some, which was great, but I would have love to see more, to see him grudgingly becoming the weird ex villain friend and then actually building relationships with some of the gang

Favourite friendship: Allan

My crossover ship: Guy + therapy (also I'm sure I've thought about this before but I really can't think of a good answer). Maybe Eleanor Shellstrop (as friends)? I feel like that would be a fun dynamic to explore.

#asks #ask meme #afaintcloudyhaze #robin hood bbc #guy of gisborne

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robinhoodofsherwood-rpg · 4 years

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Ghislaine - 33 years old - Civilian

Resident of Nottingham Former Knight in the Holy Lands Lady of Gaddum

- About Ghislaine

A Knight of the Crusades, Ghislaine fought under her French King before she swore loyalty to King Richard and switched to the English crown. After about six years fighting in the Crusades, Chislaine was allowed to depart back home, but of course given her fealty, she was granted a piece of land near Nottingham, near Locksley, as a gift for her service. She could retire, not even thirty-three years of age, to a small mansion, with a little town to care for. Of course, running a town amid high taxes, outlaws, and a Sheriff with little regard for the common man, proved difficult. Ghislaine faced problems she felt she didn’t know how to overcome, but she knew she couldn’t run away, she had to go face to face with it. And so she did, working together with Robin Hood behind the backs of the Sheriff and his men, has only been her first step towards taking care of her village.

- Personality

Ghislaine is a being possessed by honor, she will do whatever she can do the right thing, and has never doubted her skill of doing so. She’s a strong sword fighter, a great horsemen, and a deadly spearmen. To succeed in running a town as a Lady is something she can’t let go. She has to do it, how else can she survive. It is her calling.

- Connections

Robin Hood; ever since she has taken up her place as a Lady, Ghislaine has wanted change, a friendship with Robin has given her that possibility. The Sheriff of Nottingham; she simply humors him, but she secretly hates his guts. Guy of Gisborne; she believes that Guy means well sometimes, and while he offers her nothing but kindness, she has seen the way he behaves towards her people.

FC: Jessica Parker Kennedy

#oc rp #bio rp #literate rp #original rp #jessica parker kennedy #open #char #ghislaine #civilian

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Ghislaine - 33 years old - Civilian

Resident of Nottingham Former Knight in the Holy Lands Lady of Gaddum

- About Ghislaine

- Personality

- Connections

FC: Jessica Parker Kennedy

#Jessica Parker Kennedy #original rp #lsrp #bio rp #literate rp

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lyledebeast · 6 years

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Robin Hood and His Dad

So, I had very ambitious plans to write long posts about all the adaptations of the Robin Hood films I’ve been watching, but it’s the week before Thanksgiving break, and reality is catching up with me. But, there are a few interesting points of comparison between BBC RH and Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves that I want to address. The first of these, as the title suggests, involves Robin’s relationship with his father in the two respective versions. There are striking similarities. In both versions, Robin’s father makes a decision that causes significant pain to a third party to avoid causing Robin pain. In PoT, the old Lord Locksley abandons a peasant woman and the son he fathered with her because 10 year old Robin feels like he is disrespecting his mother’s memory. Malcolm of Locksley in RH BBC leaves his community, and his son, believing him dead because he can’t stand the idea of ten-year old Robin judging him. Meanwhile, teenaged Guy of Gisborne is blamed for Malcolm and his own parents’ deaths, and he and his sister, Isabella, are exiled from the community.

The important difference here lies in how the fallout from these decisions is handled. First, I want to look at how they impact the Robin and father relationship. Costner’s Robin continues to have a contentious relationship with his father well into Robin’s adulthood. His father saw the crusades as “a foolish quest,” but Robin goes anyway. He admits later that he had never really forgiven his father for taking a mistress even after he gave her up. In spite of this animosity, Robin’s father continues to love his son. At the beginning of his one scene in the film, he is writing a letter attempting to find out if Robin is still alive, and if he is imprisoned, how he might come to be released.

While we’re clearly meant to believe that Malcolm loves his son--and Armstrong’s Robin is all too ready to embrace and forgive him--he chose to have no relationship with his son at all over potentially having the kind of contentious relationship Costner’s Robin has with his father. While growing up without a father doubtlessly created some hardships for Robin, it did not really alter the course of his life. He still grows up as lord of the manor, with all the privileges that go along with that title.

Will Scarlett in PoT is an illegitimate son of a lord, so he only has privileges if his father recognizes him. Old Lord Locksley does not, thanks to Robin. Will tells Robin “you ruined my life,” which begs the question of what impact being Lord Locksley’s son had on him before Robin interfered. Did he lose the privileges themselves or only the possibility of them? Unfortunately, these are not questions the film answers, but it does present Will’s grievances against Robin as justified. It probably helps that they come to light as part of a narrative in which Will already finds himself inspired by Robin, and that he ultimately wants the reconciliation as much as Robin does. “I have a brother,” Robin says as he embraces Will, thus granting the recognition his father had withheld. It’s very sweet.

When Armstrong’s Robin embraces Malcolm, Guy is standing in the background awkwardly watching. If he’s thinking about the fact that Malcolm is the father of all his and Isabella’s misfortunes, he keeps it to himself. These misfortunes go far beyond being homeless as a teenager and child respectively. To get them both out of poverty, Guy sells thirteen year old Isabella in marriage to a man who turns out to be an abusive rapist. He himself ends up working for an abusive man (and likely rapist, though it’s not as obvious there as in Isabella’s case.) Malcolm unequivocally ruined their lives in ways they are both still suffering the effects of, but Guy is not even permitted to acknowledge it.

He says that he has felt guilty for his parents’ deaths in the fire every day before lunging at Robin, as though it’s his fault. In the following episode, he claims that he will never forgive Malcolm, but the reason is that “he seduced my mother.” Sure, Guy. That’s the real problem here: Ghislaine’s choice, not Malcolm’s.

“Bad Blood,” the BBC RH episode in which these events take place, is notorious in the fandom for the poor writing choices. I personally find it very interesting, mostly because of all the flaws in the Locksley family that are exposed before they’re immediately and permanently covered up. Earlier in the episode, Robin almost kills a priest with Guy’s bow and then lets Guy take the blame for it. His father very, very mildly chastises him (positing his future, and not other people’s lives as a reason to be cautious). Then he turns around and lets Guy take the blame for his mistakes. What the fuck is wrong with this family?

I think the reason for these differences in the two versions largely comes back to their respective conceptions of Robin Hood. Both present him as flawed hero, but a lot of Costner Robin’s arc involves him attempting to redress the pain his flaws have caused. Armstrong Robin’s flaws seem to exist solely to make him feel more fleshed out and believable, like shading in a sketch or painting. He’s largely insulated from having to recognize the impact those flaws have on others, and in “Bad Blood” that narrative privilege is extended to his father. The real focus is on Robin’s feelings about his father’s abandonment. Who cares if others actually suffered more from it?

#robin hood prince of thieves #bbc robin hood #malcolm of locksley #guy of gisborne

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