#AND THE NAME DISCOURSE

[bonefall]

Anyway. Bi and Mspec Lesbians aren't a hotly "debated" topic or even new to queer culture, it's just the newest thing that bullies who REALLY want to be homophobic and even racist use to justify harassing gay people they don't like.

It's the thinnest possible veneer of progressive language wrapped around TERF and reactionary rhetoric so that they can feel righteous for forming an angry mob against vulnerable targets. If you're gullible enough to fall for the newest wave of bigotry within the queer community, and turn on your allies because they're "confusing" or "invading your spaces," the SAME way they turned on bi/pan labels, trans people, xenogenders, neopronouns, and aroace people before this, then get lost.

#No patience. Wither and rot. #These motherfuckers dogpiled the legend who leaked the no fly list because it identified as the wrong type of lesbian. #They will attack the people doing DIRECT ACTION over dumbfuck label discourse. Deeply unserious people. #Embarrassing to think that there are rubes out there who keep falling for this #For ALL our sakes I hope this is literally their first rodeos and they really haven't fallen for this bullshit twice. #But unfortunately I'm too old to be that hopeful. #I didn't get to see the big ''public block list'' made for us dirty queers who support or are bi/mspec lesbians but I hope I was on it #If a man is best judged by his enemies then exclusionists who echo terf rhetoric are the ones I WANT to have. #And ''public lesbian block list'' is in quotes because if you REALLY thought that such a thing wasn't a ''GO HARASS THESE PEOPLE'' charter- #--then you have a black mold where your brain used to be and it's rapidly eating into the bathroom tile you call a skull #Unironically you should not have a platform if you are THAT stupid or malicious to think it was anything BUT a harassment charter #I hope they're ashamed. #Context for those unaware: a flesh-eating amoeba created a public blocklist for people who supported bi lesbians #Minors and extremely small creators without big platforms were on that list #People got harassed but the most namely was Lockandkeyhyena who had people raiding his server with racial slurs and death threats. #I hope everyone involved sees who their ''allies'' are when they spread that sentiment. #A bunch of people ACTUALLY 'invading someone's space' to post the n-word and suicidebait. #THAT is who you appeal to. Sit with that.

[tiredbitchposts]

I often feel like people forget that both Shen Yuan and Shen Jiu got fucked over in the transmitgation with Shen Yuan dying and being forced to live as someone to fix that person's mistakes and Shen Jiu being forced out of his body so someone could live his life better than he did. Both of them got the shit end of the deal, that's the whole point of it, Shen Yuan may have gotten his happy ending but he'll never be his own person and he's at the mercy of the system for the rest of his life and Shen Jiu never got a happy ending but now he'll never get tortured in the most cruel ways possible and live knowing he indirectly caused the death of the person he loved the most

#shen qingqiu #shen yuan #shen jiu #svsss #scum villain #scum villans self saving system #i've never seen a more useless discourse #Shen Yuan wanted to be Shen Qingqiu as much as Shen Jiu wanted to be forced out of his body #oh but he started using his name immediately #he's a nerd with little to no sense of self #he also wouldn't have many feelings abt Shen Qingqiu in the start when all he knew him as was a one-dimensional villain character #y'all are so addicted to making woobies out of character y'all don't stop to think #anyways #shen yuan and shen jiu shoudl fuck it wouldn't fix either of them but it'd be enrichment for the soul

[kiwinatorwaffles]

one thing i really hate that we picked up in the mcyt fandom is duo names. yeah yeah there are some classics like desert duo or bench trio or whatever but the more there are the more confused i get.

who is rich duo? literally never heard of—MUMBO AND KERALIS??? ok shinyduo. maybe something related to phil because of the crow connections? GEM AND PEARL??? wow talk about shallow. married duo? ok ok i got this for sure this time. it HAS to be joel and lizzie right. STAMPY AND SQUAISHEY??????

i literally can’t take this anymore

#add some more stupid duo names in the tags /J #kiwi’s calls #discourse

[skellagirl]

Gordon/Barney/Alyx is really really funny to me conceptually bc it's like, two hot geniuses in their 20s who look at the 40-something smartass who hangs around and go 'yeah that guy. we both want him carnally'

#and they're SO right #half life #half life 2 #gordon freeman #alyx vance #barney calhoun #freemance #valhoun #freehounce #idk what the hell their poly ship name is sorry lol #(me. posting about a ship with an age gap on the 'can't be normal about age gap ships' website: #SURE HOPE THERE ISN'T ANY AGE GAP DISCOURSE IN HERE) #this was the first time I've drawn any of these characters in LITERAL YEARS and. wow........ #feels so crazy that this was the fandom that got me to join tumblr in the first place (in 2011!!!!) and I used to draw them ALL THE TIME #interests change I guess #but I think I'll always come back to hl and portal occasionally. they're too much a part of my dna at this point LOL #my art #description in alt text #oh my god I just went back through my half life tag and the last time I drew these three was when I drew that freehounce meme LMAOOO #how serendipitious

[rosenkranz-isnt-dead]

Moffat was so real for this

#and jenna's name appearing in the credits first #that was a boss move #i wonder if he saw the 'clara who' discourse and did this just to piss off clara haters lmao #say whatever you want about moffat but i respect him for that #doctor who #death in heaven #clara oswald #jenna coleman

[3kidsinacoat]

#I think the difference in how the OGs get treated is very funny #Shen jiu is the third most written for svsss character on ao3; there's a ton of headcanons and discourse surrounding him etc #And half of the mdzs fandom doesn't even know mxy's name #At least I think so #I'm not that active in the mdzs fandom #scumbag self saving system #scum villains self saving system #the scum villain's self saving system #scum villian self saving system #ren zha fanpai zijiu xitong #mo dao zu shi #grandmaster of demonic cultivation #mo xuanyu #Shen jiu #original shen qingqiu #Mxtx #Memes #Svsss #Mdzs #original shang qinghua

[tub3rculosis]

it is 2024 can we PLEASE stop w these kind of videos now. thanks

#tw homophobia #tw ableism #obviously this is an exaggeration but like. is it? #these videos attract the WEIRDEST combination of like actual right wing “i hate everyone who isn't 'normal' by my definition” ppl #and like. queer and nd people who crave validation from conservatives and want to prove “we're not like THOSE freaks” #the right hates everyone. it doesn't matter if your name is thomas and ur fully transitioned or ur name is ✨️arson✨️ ze/it/pup #if u dont fit their narrow idea of “normal” anything u say is immediately invalid #mental illness #nd #neurodivergent #cringe culture is dead #cringe culture #cringe #tiktok #ableism #queer #queer discourse #transgender #transphobia #anti exclusionist #leftist

[pep-rambles]

While I can't speak for other Alastor ships (but I'll tag you all and you can weigh in). But in the RadioApple/DuckieDeer fandom a lot of those making fanwork, including the smuttier stuff, are acespec/arospec themselves so maybe learn what is actually going on in these fandoms before try to gatekeep in their tags

#I don't like getting involved in discourse but this is getting annoying #I have been in fandoms with canon Ace/Aro characters before and NONE of them got this butthurt #and like I'm sure a lot of you are acespec/arospec too #and it's fine if you're uncomfortable #but block the tags/users #and if you MUST weigh in on this #then don't tag it with the various ships because you're not gonna change our minds #alastor hazbin hotel #radioapple #appleradio #duckiedeer #Radiodust #Chalastor #radiostatic #Radio Demon #Hazbin Hotel #Radiohusk #are there other alastor ships #this are the only ones I know #also sorry if they all have like 5 names like other hazbin ships #I only know the many names of the ships I'm in

[aq2003]

the thing that gets me the most about culture warrior weebs going "the anime designs for the greek gods are so much better than the woke leftist designs in hades" is that they are simultaneously the ones actively getting mad at hermes being east asian in the game. like they want to fetishize asian aesthetics so bad bc they cant let go of their oversexualized anime waifus but the minute an asian person actually gets depicted they lose their fucking minds

#hades 2 #hades game tag #these people unironically saying shit like 'i will follow the East' and then getting mad when hermes is east asian. #like they don't actually have any respect for asian people it's crazy. #also the fact that jen zee is an asian woman on top of all this. insanity. im glad her name isnt being dragged into the discourse much tho #bc i seriously do not want her to be receiving direct harassment from culture war idiots. ms zee get behind me

[theminecraftbee]

so a thing this fandom does that remains FASCINATING to me, as a function of the fact a lot of this fandom is people's first fandom or only current fandom, is just... assume a lot of things it does is a scourge that this fandom has invented or doesn't exist outside of it? or like, is uniquely bad here? and i won't deny that sometimes mcyt fandom is a bit more intense by virtue of numbers, but like...

duo names: confusing fandom-injokes to describe duos and groups tend to be an anime fandom thing specifically for many historical reasons, but they're not uncommon. hey quick--if you haven't been in KHR fandom, can you guess what 1827 is? no? i'll give you a hint: that's actually a ship name. or, ygo fans, tell me the difference between puppyshipping, prideshipping, violetshipping, and rivalshipping. my hint is that they're all kaiba ships and two of them are actually the same ship. good luck!

reducing characters to a specific trait: have you read fic in another fandom before? i would recommend you go do so and come back to me. my example here is "sasuke likes tomatoes", for the record.

common au fanon that's confusing to outsiders: my deep cut here is "when i got into certain tv fandoms i was baffled by the existence of sentinel/guide fics", which is a slightly older tv fandom thing so many of you probably don't know what i'm on about. but trust me: in certain fandoms it's ubiquitous and unless you've watched a completely different tv show you're gonna have to entirely pick it up from reading fic. oh hey, hybrid aus and watcher!grian, nice to see your relative here,

fanon being treated as canon: did you know there's this whole bnha character, naomasa, who is treated as canonically having a lie detector quirk? did you know that, best i can tell, that's not in canon anywhere, it just got echoed through fanon enough that everyone treated it as canon? 'fanon trait becomes so ubiquitous everyone assumes it has to be there' is not a new thing. also, batfamily fans, i have been lead to understand the tim and coffee thing is also this.

characters being treated badly to make a different dynamic look better: the fact we have the term 'character bashing' tells you all you need to know, here. if anything my one complaint on this front isn't even that it's happening--it's that i wish bashing and/or "not [character] friendly" was tagged a little more frequently, haha.

characters being reduced to their family dynamics: tale as old as time. "even the family dynamic thing" yes even that. just because this fandom tended to be particularly ship-adverse in the past didn't mean it didn't do basically the same behaviors as any fandom with shipping did with those dynamics, just gen. and other gen fandoms also do that. yes, down to the "and shipping reduces them to a ship, unlike my gen dynamic, which is very in-character; why can't people just be friends?" thing. some of you have to have been marvel fans right.

characters being reduced to their ships: some of you have to have been marvel fans right.

The Discourse: yeah this is an "actively running show" fandom thing, but also a hiatus fandom thing. ask a homestuck about vriskourse sometime. as much as i hate to say it, it probably made doomsday discourse look cute.

and those are just like... some things i've seen people complain about on my dash recently. idk it just hit me there are probably fans in mcyt fandoms who are assuming that some things (like hybrid aus or duo names) are the kind of things that only happen here, so i thought i'd offer some examples of other places they happen! i also have even more examples if you'd like.

to be clear: this isn't shaming anyone for complaining about any of these things. lord knows i go complain to my friends about it all the time, just the other day i was complaining in the category of 'they keep bashing my guy'. it's more of just... a gentle reminder that maybe we're big, maybe we're loud, maybe we have problems... but these problems aren't always unique.

so uh. we're all suffering together i guess...?

#discourse #<- because. yeah. #this isn't meant to start a discourse this is more me laughing about Fandoms Is The Same #its also why i'm not bringing up the More Serious types of Fandoms Is The Same because i don't want to make light of it #and am instead bringing up the pettier ones #this sparked initially by someone acting like duo names are a this-fandom only phenomenon after years of being a ygo fan #and i was like. oh i've done this song and dance many a time. #and then i was thinking about posts complaining about things like fd and ships and everything else and i was like. oh that's an OLD song #so here. so we all remember sometimes that we all suffer together lol #this isn't a vague of anyone in particular i just constantly waver about making this specific post #anyway back to my usual discourse-free self

[chrollohearttags]

y’all won’t be satisfied until you run every black writer off this app and I’m so serious. Yes, I’m being rude to anybody that takes time out of their day to post some dumb ass remarks (a recycled one at that) and uses it to disrespect black writers of any capacity. Sitting up screaming about wanting more representation and the black reader fics being nonexistent but y’all get mad about everything. Yes, I’m cussing y’all out everytime I see it and I’m blocking idc. Free, FREE content that people took time to create, y’all are being nasty about it. We don’t owe y’all grace or kindness. Especially when we can see the hypocrisy. Go to hell with gas undies on and leave us alone. And please write whatever y’all want and fuck these people. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk

#rant #vent and rant #cw discourse #I see fifty toxic baby daddy fics with toji’s dirty ass and nobody moves #but damn #a character who’s balls y’all were just sucking two weeks ago can’t smoke a blunt #I don’t even write these so called ‘toxic’ hcs but I’m all for black women having representation in whatever way makes them comfortable #get over yourselves #like who do you hoes think y’all are #nobody has to write to appease a bitch who can’t even spell her own name #the way my lil hiatus is about to turn into me archiving this shit and leaving #cherry chats 🍒 #my blog is not a safe space for you fucking losers #and if you don’t like it #unfollow me #I love eren and the AOT characters over here and I’m not gonn stop writing for them bc you bitches got a new character to gush over

[light-of-the-two-trees]

It is possible according to canon that Elrond and Elros were names given by Maedhros and Maglor based on where they found the twins; the names they were given by Elwing and Earendil are probably lost and forgotten. So consider:

Elrond meets Elwing in post-Fourth-Age Valinor. She calls him by the name she gave him, and he does not respond to it, for he has forgotten that name.

#guys much as I love kidnap fam I do hate that what the feanorians did TO elrond and elros is erased sometimes #elrond was basically a father to all of middle earth. he has room to love as many parents and relatives as you can imagine okay #and the same way his relationship with earendil and elwing can be read as complex his relationship with m+m can be read so too imo #and a name lost due to maedhros and maglor can definitely play into that. they kept their lives but lost their names. is this anything #anyway #elrond #elros #elwing #meta #the silmarillion #silm #legendarium tag #and it was not void #no discourse please let there be no discourse here hoping praying

[yourhighness6]

I'm announcing to anyone who cares that I'm going to be watching SPOP for the first time since I was about ten, but before I do, here is everything I recall about the characters:

There's a girl with a sword who turns into a butch lesbian whose name I can't remember. I think she is the main character but that might be Glitter

Butch lesbian girl has an evil girlfriend who is apparently a hot furry. I can confirm. A large number of people insist she is toxic, but I am saving my judgement until I watch the show again. She also apparently runs an evil empire of some sort.

There is another girl called Glitter who is also a lesbian I think?? This is unclear, as I have seen her shipped with both the hot furry and the butch girl, but also with an archer himbo dude. She may be bisexual. I am not entirely sure how she fits into the story, but I do know she has mommy issues.

Archer himbo dude is a prince I think?? This is also unclear, but I have gathered that he is best boy and the only good man in the universe, which is very cool.

There is someone named Seahawk who likes to sing, and he has a mermaid gf named (very creatively) Mermista, who is apparently the SPOP version of Mai.

Evil empire furry also apparently has parents of some sort who are very toxic? I gather that one is a witchy sort of person and the other looks like a chaotic version of the terminator. Hot furry also has a stepmother who is very cute and autistic and has giant pigtails and is very smart. I don't know exactly how they fit into the story either, but pigtail stepmom seems like the MVP.

There is also a princess of some sort who acts like Toph. I believe her name is Frosta and she is basically the short version of Elsa but a lot more violent. I am not entirely sure why she is a princess? Is she archer himbo dude's brother? (I have so many questions)

There is an annoying unicorn with very pretty hair

That's all I know but I'm excited to learn more!

#spop #she ra #she ra and the princesses of power #idk the names honestly #glitter #mermista #seahawk #frosta #catradora #seamista #entrapdak #glimbo #noelle stevenson #I don't think I ever got through all the seasons #but I'm going to stick with it now just because #u know I'm there when there's discourse about ships

[awesamforehead]

#discourse #q neg #Originally i was gonna celebrate the general servers downfall but i do feel bad for the workers still there and for the ccs #Cause to me its very clear they do genuinely love this server and the memories behind it #No sympathy for q tho hes been given so many opportunities to make things better for his employees but he doesnt do anything #And he still tries to say its a passion project thats hes proud of when really hes just proud his name is attached to it

[kaz-oooo]

Shout out to Tommy, cos despite his whole silly, goofy, dirty-crime-boy persona, that motherfucker is handling all this drama super maturely.

Cos like Tommy waited months for the QSMP drama to die down before making his little joke, a joke that was fairly lighthearted all things considered.

But then there was the backlash he got, and harassment — a good portion of which was aimed towards his mother and his family — and like he’s said he was upset and angry about all that, but instead of logging onto Twitter and firing off a bunch of angry tweets he just took a step back, didn’t stream for a week and just.. got all his frustrations out in a silly little vlog that may never see the light of day.

Like I shouldn’t really need to be congratulating people for healthily dealing with their drama in a private manner… but idk, apparently some people can’t do the bare minimum. And TommyInnit — that one guy half the internet likes to think is still a child — knows how to handle drama like a mature adult and well.. Thanks Tommy for being the Big Man in this whole situation!

#tommyinnit #discourse #(I didn’t mention him by name surely this won’t provoke the wrong people right) #(it definitely will) #(anyway Tommy doesn’t owe us that vlog #but he also deserves to throw hands if he wishes #and I’ll be sitting here cheering from the sidelines)

[morkofday]

last twilight + tweets i saw pt 2

+ bonus:

wdym it's mhok, it's been mork since a year ago

#asiandramanet #asianlgbtqdramas #thaidrama #last twilight #last twilight the series #morkday #jimmy jitaraphol #sea tawinan #namtan tipnaree #userjjessi #mjtag #lextag #uservid #usertaeminie #usertoptaps #lightmiup #becauseigtf #countaspieceofme #we laugh through the pain #mork name discourse feels personal #like whatever but it's mork to me