Do you know what bothers me a lot?
Seeing posts of “let queer people just (insert thing here)”, seeing those posts get TONS of likes, reblogs/retweets, positive comments, etc…
And then seeing a trans woman actually do (insert thing here) just like the entire queer community was encouraged to…
Only to have the trans woman be told “NO! NOT YOU! GROSS! GO AWAY!”
And yes, it is almost 100% of the time JUST trans women who get treated this way.
It’s INFURIATING!
Now you’re probably thinking I’m just mad because this has happened to me every day of every minute of every second of my life ever since I came out as trans.
AND YOU’RE RIGHT!
But I’m ALSO mad because there is a double standard that ALSO hurts non-binary people and trans men here too.
Anyone AFAB Non-binary or Trans Masc is given an “it’s okay if YOU do it” because the people saying that DO NOT ACTUALLY RESPECT THEM AS NON-BINARY OR AS MEN!
So trans women CAN’T do it because people don’t view them as women, and non-binary people and trans masc folks CAN because they aren’t viewed as non-binary or as men!
IT SUCKS! IT SUCKS SO MUCH FOR ALL OF US!
We are told that “we are respected” but then we are all treated as not ourselves, not given respect, and being beaten down by everyone around us.
You can’t say “let queer people be queer” and then kick half of the queer community in the face by saying “EXCEPT YOU”
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There’s something sort of patronizing and damn near infantilizing about the way stans (specifically stan twitter), will take something that isn’t that serious, or even is very serious, and will twist it as much as they possibly can, for pity and engagements.
I remember when that lie detector interview with Millie came out last year, and toxic stans of hers made it their mission to accuse the guy in the video of disrespecting Millie, when really it was all a bit? They were rushing to make posts saying, “this is so messed up! she doesn’t deserve this!!” And it’s like?? Are u guys serious rn??
And then there’s all that fucked up shit that happened with that grown ass man who groomed Millie and how a lot of hardcore stans of hers were making plot-twist edits with that horrid ig live he did??? All of that shit blew up and went beyond what it ever should have, and part of it was because a lot of those same toxic fans were out there low-key promoting a very private matter, for clicks???
Right after this happened, she deleted all of her old instagram posts (I think she’s returned recently), and still doesn't allow herself to be tagged in anything (again mostly hardcore fans there), and it’s pretty obvious to me that it's because at this point, not only does she have to watch out for people that hate her for no fucking reason and who actually mean to harm her, but she ALSO has to avoid so-called fans constantly acknowledging all the negativity surrounding her, for attention, with the guise that they support her.
Because like, do we seriously think she deleted all those sentimental posts from her past, to spite people that hate her?? No she did it to punish the so-called fans. That's the place where they could connect with her and she made a boundary that she couldn't let them into her life like that anymore.
Fans took something very serious, like as serious as it can fucking get, and were making it about stan wars. Anyone and everyone who makes one joke or one comment needs to be called out and brought down. Like it's just so obsessive and unhealthy and I get that a lot of these kinds of fans are children, and so there isn't much anyone can do. But still, it's ridiculous.
I support the notion that we should be calling out harmful behavior/language. But it eventually gets to point where it's like, what even is the point? Is there a point anymore? Or are we just speaking to speak, when no ones even saying anything? Are we seeing one negative comment and blowing it out of proportion as if everyone is saying that, to gain pity? Because it starts to get ridiculous.
In reality, people are gonna say what they want. Everyone with access to internet has the affordance of posting shit anonymously without any repercussions. That’s unavoidable. And these same people aren’t going to just be enlightened by someone calling them out. More often than not people like this want to upset others in the first place. They want a reaction. And so by constantly acknowledging their existence, and fixating on it, we're giving it to them.
And now ever since Noah has come out, we're sort of seeing something similar happening with him.
While he is getting unwavering support from a lot of people in his comments, there's undeniably a disgusting amount of homophobia being thrown at him as well.
And then somewhere in the middle of that spectrum, we have people making jokes, INCLUDING Noah.
And yet, the tag has suddenly went from unwavering support (as it should), to obsessing over any and every post/comment/joke that can be interpreted as somewhere between sarcastic, uninformed, mildly offensive and downright offensive, and we're acting like it's the end of the world.
There's no denying that all of this is overwhelming. It's a lot. And I don't blame people for speaking up when they truly feel that it's necessary. It's only natural to get defensive when you think someone is being wronged/harmed and you want to do what's right.
But again, to what point is it truly necessary to keep bringing attention to every single thing we come across that falls somewhere on that spectrum near negative?
Right now this space is filled with the negatives, even if it's coming from a good place. Do we think that Noah or Millie or any of the cast want to have to be confronted with negativity from all directions, even from the people that claim to just be fans trying to do the right thing?
It gets exhausting.
And now we're just seeing this stan twitter behavior create one big mess of delusion, with toxic Millie stans calling Noah a white sexist misogynist because he liked a TikTok referencing his coming out and the homophobic Millie meme?...
Is Noah only allowed to be open to unwavering support right now? Can he not make light of the situation, or are we just imagining that he's sitting there victimizing himself because of any and all of the negatives being thrown at him, that are never going to go away, no matter what he says or does? Because I honestly think that's the opposite of what he's doing or would even want to be doing.
And same with Millie, I don't think she sees anything and everything happening to her, and everything anyone is saying, and allows it to bother her anymore. Because how could she?? That kind of shit drains a person of their sanity.
Noah is out here not only liking TikToks joking about his coming out, he's still liking byler edits, still commenting on fans posts with a lighthearted positive attitude. He even mentioned Will in his post, so obviously he doesn't mind people making some comparisons between him and his character.
And yet here we are dwelling on everything negative we can get our hands on.
It's important to realize that the cast has seen the worst of the worst. And you can see that it's affected them. You can see they went from fairly public public figures to almost entirely private public figures, only interacting with fans when they have to, because they know a good portion of the trauma they experience comes from the fans themselves who just don't understand boundaries and common sense.
The most delusional aspect of all of this is that toxic stans are 100% convinced Millie and Noah hate each other... like they fully believe this lie they've told themself based on videos they've seen of them? Like they genuinely think they know her better than she knows herself I guess???
Now, I do want to say that I understand partly where these fans are coming from. Millie has went through absolute shit with this fandom. And it's mostly because she herself is known for saying stuff that causes people outrage. Whether it's a joke or a comment, that clearly just came off the top of her head, they'll flip it to something negative and use it as ammo to hate her. She doesn't deserve that. And I know a lot of her fans are coming from a protective place because they're so used to people hating Millie for no reason.
But even still, I don't think they realize they are a part of the problem themselves. And we are too whenever we allow ourselves to focus on the negatives, letting it practically consume us.
That sort of shit can make a person feel hopeless. 1 negative comment can outweigh 100 positive ones. And so imagine that by a scale of about a billion?
Again, I know a lot of fans mean well, but if you just take a moment to think about it, like really think about it, you'll realize that your energy would be much better directed elsewhere.
Instead of making dramatic intense posts that focus on all the negativity, BE THE POSITIVITY! Be someone that actually makes our community redeemable. Because again, we're no better than the worst of the worst if we're giving them all the attention, making the very people we're claiming to be supporting and defending, even more miserable.
And don't be surprised when s5 promo rolls around or any other event involves Millie and Noah interacting in a public forum, where they'll inevitably make jokes about all of this, arguably just as offensive as the ones we're getting worked up over right now
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ugh, and wiseking is such a good friendship name, too. i'm gonna be so mad if proshippers ruin it 4 me 😭
I'm sure there are already a few fics for them on a03, like I wouldn't doubt it's already a thing. I know I've stumbled across Mike and Eddie a few times, which is not surprising at all.
When it comes to romantic wiseking, I can't police people from doing what they want regardless, even after s5 comes.
Proshippers are gonna do what they're gonna do.
Like do I really want to waste my time getting furious over fics focused on El/Henry or Jon/Will... yes that shit exists!!!! All fandoms have ppl that are gonna be into taboo pairings and I don't think me posting about it as like a NO THIS IS BAD DONT DO THIS is gonna make that stop. And those are also rare cases where I don't think a lot of people are reading them and they go under the radar bc there isn't many of them to begin with.
Obviously they wouldn't be as bad as incest or huge age gap, but my post was just more so in the context of them somehow overtaking byler. Honestly, I don't think that would happen, but it is my one fear... For that to happen all while byler is happening right there, like yes that would undoubtedly piss me off. If it's like a couple dozen or even a couple hundred fics, I could easily ignore it and move on just like I do every other time I see something I don't vibe with. It is not that serious to me!
And personally I would enjoy a Steve and Will interaction in s5, in whatever form that takes it's hard to tell. I remember when I saw a post about characters that have never interacted on the show, with Will and Steve being one of them and since then I have wanted to see something just bc it feels so weird to have no conversation at all between them. I feel like they will undoubtedy be in group settings together multiple times, but them actually talking back and forth for a few lines or even one on one would be something that I think would make people get over the top about it.
So yes I would like something bc it could be a funny/interesting dynamic maybe, though with that comes people loving to ship Steve with anyone and everyone. Which again, do your thing, I can't stop you! But I'm allowed to feel how I feel if it overtakes the slow-burn gay romance ! Let me have one win pls!
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