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geekgirles · 14 days

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Lady Echo: A Character Analysis

Before we dive in, there's something about me you should know. I'm a TV Tropes truther. That site is my Bible. If a piece of media interests me, then you'd better believe I have visited its TV Tropes page.

And because of that, Echo in particular is a character I've been meaning to talk about for a while now, because I get the feeling people tend to overlook what I feel is the true core of her character at the end of season 3.

As you can see, while other tropes go more into detail about her true motivations behind betraying Oropo, that part of her character ends up being reduced to being a Woman Scorned, and while that certainly applies here, I really don't think that's the trope that best encapsulates her character and her decisions at the end of the season.

A Woman Scorned is essentially any woman who has been wronged by the person she loves and seeks revenge or has at least expressed great anger. And it can go from being cheated on by a partner, or simply being rejected by their love interest and not taking it well. And both heroic and villainous characters can be the ones to break her heart. In fact, Arpagone too would be an example of this trope, as even if her feelings for Ruel are still there, most of her actions are motivated by the pain she feels for his decision to choose money over her.

As you can see, this all fits with Echo's actions and feelings at the end of season 3, but it's very general overall. Which is why, in my humble opinion, Echo is a better example of Love Forgives All but Lust.

This trope is essentially a deconstruction of tropes centred around the appeal bad boys have for women. The thing about women falling for bad boys is that those women tend to know they're bad news, and beyond a desire to be the ones to change them, the real reason that interest is born is because they're attracted to the idea of the bad boy being a jerk to everyone, but them. Love Forgives All but Lust is what happens when the woman is rudely awakened from that delusion.

In other words, when they realise not even they are safe from their partner's worst actions. And what is the best way to have a woman feel betrayed to the point of seeking revenge? Unfaithfulness.

Sure, they will forgive their partner if it turns out he's a serial killer, but if he cheats? Then he's the one who's dead.

And example of Love Forgives All but Lust is when the police is trying to get a mafioso's wife/girlfriend to testify against her lover, but she refuses to cooperate... until she discovers her husband/boyfriend has a lover, then she'll do everything to bring him down.

If you think about it, this is essentially what happened between Echo and Oropo after he revealed he only ever "loved" Amalia. Even if Echo is a much more active player in Oropo's machinations than simply being aware of them, having helped him carry over his plans for centuries as his second-in-command.

After he kissed Amalia and claimed Echo never meant anything to him compared to her, that's when Echo totally lost it. And her subsequent actions are a direct result of his betrayal. It never had anything to do with Echo seeing the error of her ways, as we all know.

Think about it, it wasn't until Oropo chose Amalia over her, after everything they had ever been through, that Echo truly struck. Once it became apparent her lover didn't care for her nearly as much as she cared for him, that's when Echo revealed his true plans: to destroy the gods, he must destroy the World of Twelve and deprive them of followers. In other words, he was willing to commit mass genocide for the sake of his dream.

Moreoever, the fact that she got to reveal the true extent of his plans at all already highlights that only she knew about them. All along, Echo knew what Oropo was planning, the consequences of his dreams, and she never once stopped believing in his cause. Their conversation in episode 6 even going as far as explaining Echo already believed in him and supported his dreams before ever falling for him, meaning she can't even excuse her actions by saying her feelings blinded her. Because she was perfectly aware of Oropo's plans all along.

And yet, that didn't stop her from loving him. If anything, it was only another reason she fell in love with him.

No, it wasn't until Oropo broke her heart that she ever went against him.

If you ask me, this all reads as Echo not minding Oropo's most questionable tendencies because she was convinced she was exempt from ever being at the receiving end of his worst actions. After all, she had been by his side the longest, witnessing how he got rid of demigods that failed to meet his standards or were no longer useful (going with what the show claims, I haven't read Ogrest's manga). It wasn't until he kissed Amalia and shoved her aside that Echo realised not even she was safe from him.

And it was because Oropo had had no qualms to screw her over that Echo decided it was her turn to screw him over. And hence, she revealed his plans to the Brotherhood of the Forgotten, not because she'd seen the error of her ways, but because Oropo had hurt her and she wanted to make him bleed in turn.

In the end, Echo's actions weren't fuelled solely by revenge or even jealousy, they were fuelled by the bitter realisation that she never meant as much to Oropo as he meant to her. It was about realising he had no qualms hurting her, not about how he had no qualms hurting anyone else.

It was about Echo not being enough for Oropo.

And for me, that's why Echo is a better example of Love Forgives All but Lust.

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theplushiefox · 10 months

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I wrote a ficlet on the first day of my last period and now I made it into a minicomic

cuddles are the best against cramps <3

#i wish i had someone to cuddle me haha #i swear i haven't forgotten edwin week #i just can't escape when i get an idea in my head #edwin #edxwinry #edward elric #winry rockbell #tw periods #fullmetal alchemist #fullmetal alchemist brotherhood #fma #fma:b #fmab

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birb-tangleblog · 1 year

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Quick question which member of the Brotherhood would be most up to date on social media (i.e. they use Twitter and Instagram)

Quirin: Kinda clueless/does not understand social media, but he's trying. Var is coaching him. Saves cute animal videos and extremely compressed old memes he saw on FB to show people later.

Hector: Most likely to start drama in the comments of a post. Overuses ellipses and the sunglasses emoji and signs his texts/tweets with x's and o's.

Adira: Knows how to use social media competently, but I could go either way on whether or not she actually chooses to. She's aloof enough to maintain a minimal online presence... but she also has the ego.

I feel like all 3 of them like different flavors of 'get motivated' and 'inspirational' type posts/memes.

Also shout out to Xan who I shamelessly outsourced to came up with a bunch of fantastic @s for Hector! Ty!! u3u

#no one is allowed to laugh at my art I've forgotten how to draw since the last time I posted ok #also I was too lazy to find or make/edit a template for the 1st one sorry lmao #the brotherhood #quirin #my post #my art #rendellstreet #ask #shitpost

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aussie-the-hedgehog · 5 months

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My favorite scene in all of FMA:B is when Ed comforts Winry in wake of her learning Scar killed her parents and couldn’t shoot him.

Ed - Winry, let go of the gun.

Winry - I couldn’t shoot…

Ed - I knew you couldn’t, but it’s okay.

Winry - But that man… he’s the one who killed my mom and dad… (sobs) and he tried to kill you and Al too, Ed… but I couldn’t. Why not?

Ed - Remember in Rush Valley? You delivered that baby. You saved two lives. And you gave me an arm and a leg to replace the ones I lost.

*Winry lets go of the gun*

Ed - It’s your hands… they’re not meant to kill. They’re meant to give life. That’s why.”

*Winry collapses into Ed’s arms as she lets out her sorrow and grief.*

“Let it Out” fittingly plays before the credits roll.

The scene means so much to me. It epitomizes why I love Winry, Ed, and their relationship. They may argue from time to time, but they are always there for each other no matter what.

It was also a scene my dear friend Hatty and I would reminisce about constantly before his passing. Winry is my favorite character in the show, and he knew I adored this scene the moment I watched this show for the first time.

Going through this show again is cathartic as I remember the life he lived, and recalling this scene brings out joyful tears and memories.

#fullmetal alchemist #fullmetal alchemist brotherhood #fma #fmab #fma brotherhood #fma quotes #edward elric #winry rockbell #fma scar #let it out #rip hatty #gone but never forgotten #edwin #fma edwin

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cocogum · 5 months

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When u really think about it, the whole Yugo and Oropo relationship could’ve made an entirely separate great drama show.

If Yugo accepted Oropo as his son, then Echo would’ve been Yugo’s daughter in law and Oropo would have kissed his dad’s girlfriend-

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ghostyolive · 1 year

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“Something happens / And I’m head over heels”

#oh god oh fuck she’s doing another piece of the gay side characters in an orange color palette #< holy shit can’t believe that I already had that tag on another piece #anyways I have not forgotten about them!!! they are on the brain 24/7!!!!!!#fma #greed fma #fullmetal alchemist #dolcetto fma #fmab #fullmetal alchemist: brotherhood #greed the avaricious #greedol #greed x dolcetto #my art

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annachowsy · 2 years

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#skyrim #argonian #tes #fantasy #the elder scrolls #dark brotherhood #comics #Lizards from the shadow of the forgotten Hist🌿 Part 2.

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meavitamin-notes · 2 years

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day 93: ac au :)?

tsuna everyday

#not tagging #i saw the trailer for the one set in japan and aaaaaa #so this vague design is from that #i cant really see the details of their uniform so pls bear with me LOL #okay now that it’s been est imagine this: giotto was part of the brotherhood in italy #and the vongola is actually a front for what they Actually Do #except somehow this gets forgotten and they become legit mafia in the later generations #so there’s that #now consider Nana being part of an assassin lineage in japan #SO NOW TSUNA GETS AN ASSASSIN BLOODLINE—#i’m dying this is so cheesy LOL but i’m Indulgent #ngl kinda want tsuna to be part of the one in japan already and then reborn screws things over #of course this is an au so for me to feel morally okay with that they’re all tyl LOL #in which nana is a bamf and kind mama and actually lets him Choose™️ his own path #and tsuna decides yes i will in fact join the brotherhood in japan #haha tsuna pretending he’s incompetent when reborn’s there #cracks me up

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geekgirles · 2 months

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I'm rewatching the episodes in French and Dathura hasn't made a reappearance has she? She just up and vanished.

Sorry to keep you waiting. First I had to take some screenshots and then my laptop's battery was always on the verge of giving out, so I couldn't just sit down and answer sooner.

But honestly, yeah! I actually wanted to point that out too!

Compared to the rest of the Brotherhood of the Forgotten, Dathura's disappearance is just plain weird. I watched an interview where Tot revealed that, unlike what the Kickstarter trailer might suggest, the demigods wouldn't really play a major role in season 4. And honestly, that's fair. Given the show is about the Brotherhood or the Tofu and, more importantly, they had just learned their purpose in life ended up being their being manipulated by a megalomaniac with daddy issues, realistically, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with action for a while either.

There's of course the fact that each of them asked to be sent to completely different locations and had very different goals. For example, Coqueline, Kali, and Sipho just wanted to pick up the pieces of what Oropo and especially Echo started and live as a family. And despite both of them ending up in Bonta, Ush wanted nothing to do with Black Bump.

Which makes Dathura's disappearance from the main plot all that weirder. Because she is about the only demigoddes who has any business participating in the main plot by virtue of her actually being there.

Seriously, once again, the Sadida Kingdom is at the very centre of everything. They're the Nécromes main, or at least first, target. And yet, there is no sign of Dathura helping out as the powerful demigoddess she is despite her accepting Amalia's invitation to live in the kingdom and even going as far as remaining by her side the entirety of the third episode.

She was never even introduced to Armand and Aurora despite both of them being there when Amalia returned with her. Made all the more jarring by the fact that she remained by the princess' side even as she mourned her father's death and the next day (?) she just...vanishes with no explanation?

Seriously, out of all of the members of the Forgotten, the two with the most reason to have a bigger role in season 4 are Dathura and Ush. The former because she is supposed to be living there at the time of the Nécromes' attack, and the latter because he was the one who informed Joris of what was going on.

In Ush's case I can understand he decides to stay on the sidelines since he isn't exactly a hero, he mostly just does his own thing. But Dathura's disappearance can be very jarring.

What, did she awkwardly leave Amalia to mourn her father while she went to check in on Ogrest?

Oh, well. The season's been great so far and I don't really have any trouble with this. It's just weird, it's all.

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elmundotech · 2 years

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Ubisoft announces shutdown of online services for 15 games in September

#Ubisoft announces #shutdown of #onlineservices for 15 #games - #PC #PS3 #WiiU #Xbox360 #videogames #elmundotech

Ubisoft recently announced the upcoming shutdown of online services for 15 games on September 1, 2022. According to a Ubisoft support page, “closing the online services for some older games allows us to focus our resources on delivering great experiences for players who are playing newer or more popular titles.” The decommission of online services will no longer allow players to link Ubisoft…

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#Anno 2070 #Assassin&039;s Creed 3 #Assassin&039;s Creed Brotherhood #Assassin&039;s Creed II #Assassin&039;s Creed Liberation HD #Driver San Francisco #Far Cry 3 #Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands #Rayman Legends #Silent Hunter 5 #Space Junkies #Splinter Cell: Blacklist #Tom Clancy&039;s Ghost Recon: Future Soldier #Ubisoft announces shutdown of online services for 15 games in September #ZombiU

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moonlightduelist · 9 months

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i’ve lost my assassin’s creed collection with the first 5 games what on earth….

#i might have borrowed it to someone and then forgotten it completely bcos i haven’t played the game in years #goddamn it ac2 and brotherhood are my favorites do i need to rebuy them???#storytime with elina

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dargeereads · 1 year

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Hunter Avenged by NJ Walters

5 stars

This was a fantastic blend of action, intrigue, and romance! These two have so many reasons to be wary of each other, but they have this instant connection that keeps at them. Figuring out the good and the bad isn’t easy when you are always in the grey, but Sven accepts who he is and how he is. Rivka also thinks she knows and accepts who she is, but it is apparent to others she is so much more. Epic fights, teleporting all over the world, off the charts chemistry, these two face so many challenges, and they take them all on to be together <3

#NJ Walters #Hunter Avenged #Forgotten Brotherhood #paranormal romance #romantic suspense #new release #available now #available everywhere #book love #book blogger #book osessed #book buzz #bookworm #bookaholic #bookish #read romance #romance reader #romance books #bibliophile

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thereadingaddic7 · 2 years

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(Badly) Designed Future

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Coming back to (modded) Tiberian Sun after Twisted Insurrection, and it's amazing how I can sort of start to see Nod's point about Tiberium and GDI. Tiberium is, of course, a hostile terraforming agent designed to wipe out all or most indigenous life on whatever planet it lands on, but as the various mutants prove, it's not inherently fatal to non-Tiberium lifeforms and can be beneficial to those that are.

Human life in both timelines is a pretty shitty lot. Locked into walled off cities crammed full of refugees fleeing Tiberium expansion, scarce food and drinkable water as governments collapse into anarchy, Warlords and Nod reign supreme. Outside of that though, the worlds are day and night. Twisted Insurrection Earth isn't the Earth we know, it's a hellscape hostile to human life and liable to rip your throat out and lay eggs in your stomach, but it's an alive hellscape. Tiberian Fiends and Raptors compete for glowing green and blue fields to make their nests, Wyverns patrol the skies seeking out the alone and unwary, Whalloons drift among blossom trees feeding on the spores like whales on krill, veinholes cover the ground for miles and miles, and the very earth itself shakes when the Mantis colonies march off to war. It’s a dangerous and untamed frontier, but as the Forsaken demonstrate, it’s not *untamable*.

Tiberian Sun's earth on the other hand is a dead rock drifting through space. Most landscapes are blasted deserts with scattered dying trees. There's practically no native life to be found beyond the armies fighting over the scraps, but Tiberium life is also shockingly absent. Fiends and Forgotten are around, the two mutants working closely together for mutual survival. Veinholes are cultivated by Nod who use their veins to craft Tiberium based chemical weapons, Visceroids pop up every now and again but there's no way to tell if they've been there a while or if they're some poor bastard who just turned, and Floaters don't even show up until the expansion pack where Nod has to go to the most heavily Tiberium infested region on the planet and *call* them out.

Tiberium resulted in massive social and ecological collapse, it's arguably on par with real life mass extinction events, but where Nod embraced the new normal and actively utilizes Tiberium and Tiberium based life in an attempt to become a Tiberium based humanity (and who's efforts contributed to the collapse), GDI are arguably causing a collapse of their own in their attempts to turn back the clock. If we treat Twisted Insurrection as a genuine "What If?" scenario, then the absence of Tiberium Lifeforms that were cropping up in the immediate wake of the First Tiberium War is likely because GDI has been doing their best to kill them off before they can amount to anything, leaving nothing to fill in the niches left behind.

#command and conquer: tiberian sun #Tiberian Sun #Command and Conquer #Tiberian Sun: Firestorm #Twisted Insurrection #Tiberium #GDI #Global Defence Initative #Nod #Brotherhood of Nod #Forgotten #Forsaken #game mod #long post #well long by my standards #anyway go play Twisted Insurrection #It's free and standalone #and also really fucking good

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annachowsy · 2 years

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#Lizards from the shadow of the forgotten Hist🌿 Part 1.#skyrim #argonian #tes #fantasy #the elder scrolls #dark brotherhood #comics

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berkeleyplace · 2 years

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X-MEN #6 (1964)

Sub-Mariner joins the Evil Mutants! The story involves the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants again, and the first time Sub Mariner meets the mutants, but I wanted to write about the splash page for this issue. Last issue, Jack drew the Brotherhood eating together, and here we see the X-Men doing the same, and like the panel from last issue, we see much about the characters in a single frame. Cyclops…

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#Brotherhood of Evil Mutants #Forgotten Powers (that guy can do THAT?)#Letters to Comics

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tayasmultimuses · 2 years

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Lorna Dane | Polaris (TG) Verses Explanation post

This is my Lorna Dane | Polaris (The Gifted) Verses tag dump and explanation post:

Please read this carefully and fully as there is a lot of detail about some verses and also it is important.

Verses:

Main (divided into two main parts, season 1 and season 2, along with a precanon subverse) [v: main verse is the tag that covers all three of the below tags]:

v: there's nothing noble about struggle (s1) : this tag is for season 1 including canon events, deleted/missing scenes, and misc things that fit best in season 1. It's one third of my main verse tag. Open to all.

v: around here that makes me *royalty* (s2): this tag is for season 2 including canon events, deleted/missing scenes, misc things that fit best in season 2. It's the second third of my main verse tag. Open to all.

sv: it was the start of an age (precanon): this tag is for all the time we don't see in canon, from Lorna's childhood to 7/15 to Lorna's time at Lakeview Mental Hosptial to the time that was spent building the Underground by Lorna and John and the others who were there from the very beginning to recruiting the other key members we see in canon. This the final third of my main verse. Open to all.

Others:

v: vtbd : this tag simply means "verse to be decided", basically a holding spot for thread where the verse is undecided at the moment. Open to all.

v: my voice drowned out in the thunder (au): this tag is for general, unconnected aus that don't fit in any of my other au verses. Threads here are self-contained within and onto themselves unless otherwise stated. Open to all.

v: what this choice is actually about (au) : this tag is for an AU where Lorna and Marcos leave the Inner Circle (Lorna fakes her death in order to do so) and Underground respectively to raise Dawn and be together, both as a couple and as a family, which is an idea directly inspired by @ecliipsed and their "peace at last" verse (in which Lorna and Marcos leave the Underground in Season 2 in order to raise Dawn). Open to all.

v: this is my family; it's little and broken but still good; yeah still good (au): this tag is for a general au for broken/dysfunctional House of M stuff. Open to all House of M characters, including those married into the family (or as good as in some cases [e.g. Marcos]) and the non biologically related to the House of M children of such partners.

v: family means ohana; and ohana means no one gets left behind or forgotten (au) : this tag is for a general au for less dysfunctional House of M stuff. Basically it's kinda for cuter House of M stuff that isn't *so* angst-y because we Know the House of M brings the angst all the time. Open to all House of M characters, including those married into the family (or as good as in some cases [e.g. Marcos]) and the non biologically related to the House of M children of such partners.

v: i am edie’s granddaughter; the spitting image of my mother; [the brotherhood’s princess turns into the underground’s leader] (au): this tag is for a darker Lorna/Brotherhood heiress Lorna AU wherein Erik raised Lorna after her mother's and stepfather's deaths, resulting in a slightly darker Lorna who has inherited his ideas, morals, ideals and goals along with sharing his mutation and yet still she ends up in the Mutant Underground somehow, probably for her protection, basically think something along the lines of "Lorna's a mafia princess (who later runs away to help the families of the rival mafia's victims) but the mafia is run by mutants and the rival mafia is the government (*not* the X-Men or the Mutant Underground, they're both more like charities helping the victim's families)" for this au and you'll get the general gist of it, more or less. Open to all.

v: princess of the royal house of m (au) : this tag is for a House of M event au verse. Pretty self-explanatory, right? Note that in this au, Marcos would be her prince consort and Dawn would be a princess in her own right. Open to all House of M characters, including those married into the family (or as good as in some cases [e.g. Marcos]) and the non biologically related to the House of M children of such partners.

v: this love is dangerous (au) : this tag is for a polyship au of Season 2 wherein Lorna, Marcos and Esme end up together as a thruple. Open to all who want to participate.

v: when i am standing in the dark I will still believe (au): this tag is for a darker s2 AU where Lorna doesn't kill Campbell and co by blowing up/crashing their plane and thus ending their lives, and instead stays with the Underground at the end of S1 and things get much worse for mutants by the time of S2, which goes very differently from canon (NOTE: this verse ties directly into Rachel Grey's Gifted verse {"v: and I will be strong even [when] it all goes wrong (au: the gifted)"}.) Open to all.

#Lorna Dane | Polaris [TGv(TV)] verse tag dump #chara: lorna dane | polaris (tg [tv])#tag dumping tag.#((🌟mun speaking; how may i help you today?#ooc records #taya speaks #v: there's nothing noble about struggle (s1)#v: around here that makes me *royalty* (s2)#sv: it was the start of an age (precanon)#v: vtbd #v: my voice drowned out in the thunder (au)#v: this is my family; it's little and broken but still good; yeah still good (au)#v: family means ohana; and ohana means no one gets left behind or forgotten (au)#v: i am edie’s granddaughter; the spitting image of my mother; [the brotherhood’s princess turns into the underground’s leader] (au)#v: princess of the royal house of m (au)#v: this love is dangerous (au)#v: what this choice is actually about (au)#v: when i am standing in the dark I will still believe (au)#v: main verse

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