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geekgirles · 13 days

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Lady Echo: A Character Analysis

Before we dive in, there's something about me you should know. I'm a TV Tropes truther. That site is my Bible. If a piece of media interests me, then you'd better believe I have visited its TV Tropes page.

And because of that, Echo in particular is a character I've been meaning to talk about for a while now, because I get the feeling people tend to overlook what I feel is the true core of her character at the end of season 3.

As you can see, while other tropes go more into detail about her true motivations behind betraying Oropo, that part of her character ends up being reduced to being a Woman Scorned, and while that certainly applies here, I really don't think that's the trope that best encapsulates her character and her decisions at the end of the season.

A Woman Scorned is essentially any woman who has been wronged by the person she loves and seeks revenge or has at least expressed great anger. And it can go from being cheated on by a partner, or simply being rejected by their love interest and not taking it well. And both heroic and villainous characters can be the ones to break her heart. In fact, Arpagone too would be an example of this trope, as even if her feelings for Ruel are still there, most of her actions are motivated by the pain she feels for his decision to choose money over her.

As you can see, this all fits with Echo's actions and feelings at the end of season 3, but it's very general overall. Which is why, in my humble opinion, Echo is a better example of Love Forgives All but Lust.

This trope is essentially a deconstruction of tropes centred around the appeal bad boys have for women. The thing about women falling for bad boys is that those women tend to know they're bad news, and beyond a desire to be the ones to change them, the real reason that interest is born is because they're attracted to the idea of the bad boy being a jerk to everyone, but them. Love Forgives All but Lust is what happens when the woman is rudely awakened from that delusion.

In other words, when they realise not even they are safe from their partner's worst actions. And what is the best way to have a woman feel betrayed to the point of seeking revenge? Unfaithfulness.

Sure, they will forgive their partner if it turns out he's a serial killer, but if he cheats? Then he's the one who's dead.

And example of Love Forgives All but Lust is when the police is trying to get a mafioso's wife/girlfriend to testify against her lover, but she refuses to cooperate... until she discovers her husband/boyfriend has a lover, then she'll do everything to bring him down.

If you think about it, this is essentially what happened between Echo and Oropo after he revealed he only ever "loved" Amalia. Even if Echo is a much more active player in Oropo's machinations than simply being aware of them, having helped him carry over his plans for centuries as his second-in-command.

After he kissed Amalia and claimed Echo never meant anything to him compared to her, that's when Echo totally lost it. And her subsequent actions are a direct result of his betrayal. It never had anything to do with Echo seeing the error of her ways, as we all know.

Think about it, it wasn't until Oropo chose Amalia over her, after everything they had ever been through, that Echo truly struck. Once it became apparent her lover didn't care for her nearly as much as she cared for him, that's when Echo revealed his true plans: to destroy the gods, he must destroy the World of Twelve and deprive them of followers. In other words, he was willing to commit mass genocide for the sake of his dream.

Moreoever, the fact that she got to reveal the true extent of his plans at all already highlights that only she knew about them. All along, Echo knew what Oropo was planning, the consequences of his dreams, and she never once stopped believing in his cause. Their conversation in episode 6 even going as far as explaining Echo already believed in him and supported his dreams before ever falling for him, meaning she can't even excuse her actions by saying her feelings blinded her. Because she was perfectly aware of Oropo's plans all along.

And yet, that didn't stop her from loving him. If anything, it was only another reason she fell in love with him.

No, it wasn't until Oropo broke her heart that she ever went against him.

If you ask me, this all reads as Echo not minding Oropo's most questionable tendencies because she was convinced she was exempt from ever being at the receiving end of his worst actions. After all, she had been by his side the longest, witnessing how he got rid of demigods that failed to meet his standards or were no longer useful (going with what the show claims, I haven't read Ogrest's manga). It wasn't until he kissed Amalia and shoved her aside that Echo realised not even she was safe from him.

And it was because Oropo had had no qualms to screw her over that Echo decided it was her turn to screw him over. And hence, she revealed his plans to the Brotherhood of the Forgotten, not because she'd seen the error of her ways, but because Oropo had hurt her and she wanted to make him bleed in turn.

In the end, Echo's actions weren't fuelled solely by revenge or even jealousy, they were fuelled by the bitter realisation that she never meant as much to Oropo as he meant to her. It was about realising he had no qualms hurting her, not about how he had no qualms hurting anyone else.

It was about Echo not being enough for Oropo.

And for me, that's why Echo is a better example of Love Forgives All but Lust.

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wearepurplejackets · 2 months

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🐥 Incorrect Wakfu 🐥

Ruel: Hey kiddo, Arpagone and I are having a baby! Yugo: Oh Ruel! That's grea- Ruel, slamming adoption papers on the table: It's you, sign here.

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n1ckelpistol · 10 months

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Some things i forgot to post❗️❗️ive never drawn her with a nose again and it feels weird whenever i look at this but. I like how the rest of her looks

#gotta do some work on that jacket though #I LOVE THE TROQUANTARY SO MUCH. and the arpagon. favorite ghouls #off game #off mortis ghost #off sucre #off specters #art tag

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cocogum · 15 days

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An enutrof’s longevity reflects their god’s dragonic form.

I completely believe that the ONLY ACTUAL reason why enutrofs look so freaking old all the time is because since their god has the appearance of a dragon, they get the privilege of having heir lives extended for a few more centuries lol

Enutrof is a literal representation of a dragon guarding his treasures in his cave so they would obviously try to hunt as much money as they can by taking advantage of the longevity that they inherited from him.

You can’t tell me that their intro page showcases them already old and NOT explain to me why that is the case if you don’t think the same way!

The older an enutrof is, the more experienced he or she is at treasure hunting.

I feel like this is what enutrofs love to think about amongst themselves which is why they’re the only race known to present themselves looking already so old compared to the other classes. For an enutrof, being old is the trend and is a way to show how long you pursued money. So the older you are as an enutrof, the more people will automatically assume you have more riches than them.

They’re also the only ones who we get to see live as long as Joris. JORIS who is someone who keeps a DRAGON within him at all times (since birth actually).

Examples like this are Ruel, Arpagone, Alibert, and even Ruel’s freaking GRANDMA.

In short, if you wanna live like a dragon, enutrofs are a good pick besides eliatropes lol

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iychodon · 2 years

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arpicorn

#zinzoart #my art #artists on tumblr #off #off the game #off mortis ghost #off (mortis ghost)#off (game)#arpagon #ghoul #red

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chthonic-admirer · 2 years

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I remember buying these shoes specifically because they reminded me of arpagons in how they feel but I look like the Joxter/Snufkin instead lmao...

#arpagon #off game #shout out to people still participating in offtober #c me draw #eyestrain #self portrait #probs my only contribution to both #inktober #offtober

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victoriartdrawings · 3 months

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sorry its a mess but, ooof, episode 2 was good, the Goddess, the departure little by little of everyone, their goodbye scene and finally when they arrive and the emotional/physical exposure of what they finally have there - their home etc..., (though we didnt see Amalia's and im sure her returning in her kingdom forest is not going to be...happy) Ruel and Arpagone returning to Ruel's house and him showing his wealth, you expect her to be happy, to be with him, to have that much money he's willing to share but no, (and shes valid for this) shes angry, angry bc she lost time waiting for him, and wasting the occasion of having family, children while him, Ruel got the chance of acting like Yugo's dad.... then the lingering tension you can feel when the Mother is talking to Yugo, her need to be alone with her children, of sending his friends away...very very cool and the final scene??? who is that??? we can hear the voice of Amalia and we can see an old man meditating, and leaving the place where hes hold 'in captivity' (though not really)??? he looks dope and i want to know mooore!!!

#messy messy post thoughts #anyway #(ep 1 for me was too much too fast ...even though i get they had to kinda fast past through it to go to the main point)#really enjoyed and loved ep2 (much than 1 weirdly)#wakfu #Victoria watching wakfu s4 #wakfu season 4 #wakfu season 4 spoilers #wakfu spoilers #vic's post

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tetitous · 2 months

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I wrote a lot, and not everything at the same time, but like brain got too full of Wakfu so yeah, thoughts time. I tried organizing it chonologically.

I wonder if Ruel will end up going back to Arpagone eventually, to me it seems like he decided he was done with her for good. That seems crazy but at the same time I'm pretty sure she did the most toxic thing you can do to an Enutrof. I mean, they haven't been together for a long time, I kind of wish they did talk to each other, set the records straight and left it there, but I'm okay with what happened too. Also good for Arapgone on finding something that makes her feel worthwhile by helping others.

Ruel really said the real treasure was the son we got along the way in the end, and he was so right for that.

Yugo getting the shit kicked out of him because Iops seem to have face blindness is some real comedy, the lightness in the whole scene really helped me feel that Yugo was still very much him. And given how heavy anything about the antagonists is that felt warranted, that made me feel very good. He's very chill though. Retrospectively I think it confirms what a lot of people like me may have been thinking, that Yugo was generally very tense due to body dysmorphia on top of everything else. Good for him.

I'm going to be real, Pin calling for Flopin got me so hard. I said "oh no" out loud.

Eva went full big sister mode upon seeing Yugo ;-;. I always loved their bond, it's at the center of one of, if not the best solo episode of the whole show, s2 ep 16, so the fact that it never weakens has me in a chokehold. I see the little gestures and I think "oh, they're family", with them it's all in the little gestures.

Yugo recieveing a big iop group hug and going :> was so cute. Kind of surprised Goultard also was part of it but Yugo deserves all the hugs so I absolutely am taking it.

Yugo telling Eliatrope to do something or fuck off and being the only one to manage to get her to do something has to be one of the biggest nat 20 on persuasion of all time. She's coming back to deliver the kids once things are safe though, right? And without the eye thingies right? Right?

No more Brakmar? Damn, that feels weird.

King Osamodas can take my fists, the way he just refuses to listen to Amalia and is barely willing to do the same to Armand given the nature of the invasion is really irritating.

The joy of Ad upon seeing Yugo still alive ;v;

Little interesting parallel of Yugo and Eliatrope both using the same force field technique. Not sure if it means anything, but I know it felt relevant to me.

Amalia going "are we about to kiss rn" and Yugo going "nah babe there's a war that'll leave a bad taste. Promise I'm hyping up my game for later though" was perfect. I got scared that they would kiss at that moment because it didn't feel right, but at the same time you cannot tell me they wouldn't want to soo damn bad.

Ad and Armand's eyes turning purple upon using the Eliasphere, huh...

Oh so Dathura is still there and places herself as a last defense for the Tree of Life, interesting but like, she just disappeared in the meantime? Well it's not her story I guess we didn't need to know, but still.

Joris asking Yugo if he knows what he's doing. Joris, he knows about as much as usual, he's just doing his best but thanks for making sure.

The way Eva and Tristepin react to their family being put in danger is interesting to me. Pinpin will jump to their rescue, but he's the one moving, that makes sense to him. Eva is, and has always been, the type to stay in place at the face of danger, whether out of fear or stubborness, so she asks for Pinpin to be the one to move away from the danger, but she won't move. Their dynamic is precious.

I'm curious about Pinpin's hair... burning? What's going on there?

Armand's sacrifice was powerful, he wasn’t a great prince, but he was an amazing King.

Joris! Joris! Joris! Joris! Imma hype that little man. Him and Yugo making the Team Blue Shorties (well, not so much anymore) was great. Team Demigods was also pretty damn cool.

Aurora is building a very bad rep for the Osamodas Kingdom by flying away, but I undertand the pain she must have felt at the moment. Her father still was treating their countries' alliance as something purely strategic, but she loved him. To her that meant something, and Amalia's simple movement of rejection while under intense distress and grief was enough for her to decide to listen to her father and not to fight by everyone's side.

Actually Eva IS very much the one to get people to move. She gets Amalia back up too.

Yugo turning Oropo's words against Toross is interesting. Wonder if it has any weird implications for the future. Maybe not though, maybe Yugo has been warned enough, he's not the type to enjoy the feeling that comes with being extremely powerful too much after all. The Eliacube freaked him out, the 6 Dofus made him scared the whole time and the consequences sucked, and the Eliasphere can litteraly cause his death. I think if anyone can hold that much power, that would be him (or Joris, Joris looks like he can be trusted with pretty much anything)

Big nope on Toross for trying to make Nora his bride. Nopenopenopenopenope go away. I'm surprised Yugo managed to keep a straight face, because I think I would have just gone for the throat.

Also imagine being a walking talking pan flag and people still assume you're straight.

There are definetly implications that Toross is the one being responsible for the disappearance of the gods. If he can tell the difference between the strengh of a god and that of a demi-god, that means he fought both, and won.

Nora going from forcing herself to be distrustful of Yugo to believing him fully did warm my heart. The short time they spent together doesn't mean they aren’t family.

What do you mean Pinpin never told Eva he loved her??? What??? Really?!?!

Efrim's pain and Nora's love are such a beautiful contrast I feel so much for them I'm not sure I have the words for it.

Flopin is developing his hearing, glad that in a way he didn't miss the wedding.

Btw totally unrelated but Yugo carrying Goultard bridal style during the final fight was NOT on my bingo list.

In the end, Toross' pain and loneliness are eternal, and there litteraly no saving him from his own personal hell. In a lot of ways his story is similar to Qilby's, but the one thing that separates them is the choice: Qilby could still choose to stop hurting his own in service of himself, Toross condemned everyone, including himself, and he can do nothing about it anymore.

Are Nora and Efrim stuck wherever they are together for all of eternity or are their Wakfu going back to their Dofus?

Omg. A wedding. My dude it all happened too fast, the worldwide political chaos that's going to ensue, I'm here for it.

I feel like they did originally want to show us the transition from the Era of Wakfu to Waven but they ended up focusing more on the characters, and that's a very good thing, that allows for Yugo to have a truly, undeniable win thanks not just to being overpowered, due to the main antagonist somehow being worse, but also thanks to the power of friendship and plus if affinity.

Overall those last 3 episodes I was hyped the whole way, and it's crazy because I don't think I felt a feeling that strong so regularly for an entire hour. I write that part about an hour after having watched everything and I still haven't come down, but now I'm having a bit of a feeling like I'm about to cry in the back. That means season 4 of Wakfu was even more amazing than everything I hoped for, because when I'm hoped for something there typically always is that empty feeling. Not here. I'm very, very happy.

The ending really feels like there's more, so I'm happy to know that there will be a manga.

#wakfu #wakfu season 4 #wakfu s4

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ol-files · 3 months

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Nora Chekhov's gun

First what it's Chekhov's gun : or the law of detail preservation is a dramaturgical principle. But it can also be used outside the theatre.

“Delete anything that is not relevant in the story. If in the first act you say there is a gun hanging on the wall, then it is absolutely necessary that a shot be fired with it in the second or third act. If it’s not for use, it doesn’t belong there.” — Anton Tchekhov

But it's not a plot/subplot it's a tool

Let me tell you an example of one of the "subplot" in this season to show you the difference.

It's not at all hidden. Character interacte with it.

When Chekhov's gun only be said once or show in the background. And this "gun", here, is actually a book.

Let developed at this point of the story we only barely see the library. It's important to mention I have been looking around for easter eggs, but in the shortness of this season you have to cut bit into tiny scene.

Check out as explemple with Qilby .

The library :

We see only two or three times the library before Nora appears.

Its after that Yugo meet Nora that we have the explication of what their are.

Everyone got a book and the detail of the cover corresponds to the person.

Ruel his shovel. Arpagon her glass. Tristepin it's rubilax eye. Ush it's the spell mark during the oav. Flopin I can't see clearly, kind like a butterfly?

Amalia her doll from season 1 and 2. Evangelyn the arc created by the Sadida king. Coquellin her mask. Kali her heart tattoo.

And there Black Bump

So the book Nora take it's here.

First, it's explained why she was near the tower. She goes there to retrieve here book. The supposition is since her brother Qilby his here too, he may know or would know at some point of the place. And what not a great plan to take away the book of your life if your brother that knows everything is around.

And second, their something in it that here brothers should not see. It can be linked to the constente dismission they do of what happened. Or else…

IOW parenteses

If she still linked to Efrim they can share life force/thought/memories and psyche. And their the possibility that she can get possessed via their link and punch everyone by becoming an enemy.

But that just a theory.

#wakfu possible spoiler #wakfu spoiler #theory #thoughts #actually had fun to do this

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guorre · 7 months

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Stencil from my tatu <3

Arpagon from OFF, modified just a bit

#off game #OFF #off mortis ghost #tattoo #tattoos #my art <3 #my artwork

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theduckone · 2 months

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NOTE before reading, the following covers wakfu season 4 spoilers and the content of my rant.

After watching the first four episodes of wakfu season 4, I felt bad, bad, BAD, BAD, BAD.

It seems like everyone is happy to see Qilby acting like a……fool?

So far Qilby's interactions with Yugo are basically a repeat of the season 2 finale. The only difference is that he's gone from heavy wise guy to non-stop whiny little guy?

But it looks like everyone is enjoying the "brotherly bickering" and "good mother" plot. Even though one of them seems unnecessary to me, and the other would have been better off never appearing.

The worst part is that the ultimate proposition of eternal solitude is downgraded to "petty squabbling in front of a good mother."

Goddess hair is so good, they bring peace, warmth and love so why not just soak Qilby in the pile all the time and the problem of going crazy is solved!

Lonely souls laying heavy fates look like A JOKE in front of this pile of hair.

OK, you now know one of the reasons why I wish why the goddess didn't show up …��.

And the title of episode 8, "Betrayal"? Combine that with the spoilers from Waven - Lokus the Guardian versus Qilby with six Eliatropes dofus?

Is Qilby's characterisation moving forward on a flat path? Becoming the son of a good mother's cunning? Become a stumbling block on the good brother's path to kingship? A smooth-talking, self-serving jerk?

Don't get back to me with "that's just the way he is".

Because of that episode 3, everyone now refers to Qilby as mummy's little boy. (I know, maybe people want to show a different side of Qilby, it's refreshing…? But the object and the timing, so bad ……)

(And for some reason Nora always reminds me of Arpagone. basically nothing special.)

I know what I'm saying isn't welcome at all, these are heavy, harsh words. But the intent was not to cause anyone any pain. I hope ankama is having fun and all is well with the company activities. But it hurts to see a favourite character turn out like this.

Of course I hope I'm wrong and good things might happen after that, but then I'm afraid to expect anything unrealistic. I'd better not think about anything.

If you don't agree with what I'm saying, you can simply dismiss these as the whining of fools and just have fun looking at them.

#i lose energy #wakfu s4

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geekgirles · 2 months

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Is it bad that I sorta stan Arpagone? I mean, the woman is essentially the Twelvian McKenzie Scott, Jeff Bezos' ex-wife, using her greedy ex's money to fund charities and help people. And even Ruel's come to understand how she was right in stealing from him and using his money for the greater good. An absolute legend, tbh.

#wakfu #wakfu season 4 #wakfu spoilers #wakfu season 4 spoilers #ensemble !#together!#arpagone #ruel stroud #kama-sutar #enutrof #ankama #dofus #krosmoz

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delectablywaywardbeard-blog · 6 months

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Ugo Dighero, da serie Blanca a teatro con Molière

“L’idea dalla quale siamo partiti è stata quella di guardare ad Arpagone da una visione contemporanea. Nella commedia di Molière i figli sono legati al padre dal denaro, lo usano per i loro divertimenti, per quello che oggi è il consumismo. In questa ottica, Arpagone che bada ai soldi, a non sperperare, può essere visto in maniera positiva”. Ugo Dighero parla della commedia ‘L’avaro’ di…

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arpag0n · 1 year

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Arpagon Dots turned 9 today!

#tumblr birthday #tumblr milestone

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cocogum · 4 months

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So I woke up today and chose to cry cuz omg Amalia’s life is shit compared to her friends:

1) Her dad, the only one in her family who let her out to go adventuring and live a free life for a temporary time, is dying and is highly likely that he’ll die in season 4. (Season 3-4)

2) Armand keeps judging her every action and doesn’t take her seriously. (Seasons 1-2-manga-OVAS-season 3)

3) Aurora and Armand keep trying to marry her off by making her interact with princes from other kingdoms. (Season 3)

4) Amalia can’t even talk about anything else other than politics with her family, so she now wants to eat in her room. Alone. (Season 3)

5) Yugo clearly said that he puts his and Amalia’s relationship to the back burner because he has other more important things to worry about, making her think that she’s not as important as she thought she’d be to him. (Season 3)

6) Not getting the respect by the men she started to like and gets used by them (Count Harebourg and Oropo) (But Harebourg did like her tho I mean why else would he obsessively stalk her during her adventures??) She technically gets heartbroken three times because of the conversation she overheard with Yugo and fake Ruel (Sipho). (OVA BOOK 1 - Season 3)

7) Getting rudely told by fake Ruel (Sipho) that she’s not important and that he personally doesn’t understand why Yugo likes her because of the way that ‘she looks’ which makes her now feel self-conscious. (EXCUSE ME BITCH WHO TF ARE YOU?!?!? YOU’RE SO UGLY YOU HAVE TO PRETEND TO BE ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN YOURSELF. Bitch is blind cuz he can’t see her hourglass figure with that big ass, perfect pretty chocolate brown skin with no wrinkles or acne problems, luscious green hair with no knots perfectly tied up, and a cute face. No wonder Yugo likes her, the dude is into adorable flowers.) (Season 3)

I MEAN JUST LOOK AT HER ‼️‼️‼️‼️

8) Getting told by her own friends that she acts like a spoiled brat when she clearly stopped being too bratty and literally TRIED THROWING AWAY HER LIFE FOR HAREBOURG TO SAVE HER PEOPLE FROM OGREST’S BULLSHIT. (OVA BOOK 1)

9) Is absolutely not even comfortable in her own kingdom to the point that even her own dying father can tell she’s not feeling well. (Season 3)

10) The only thing she has ever genuinely smiled at (besides her kiss with Yugo), was meeting Dathura for the first time. (Season 3)

11) Didn’t get taken seriously when she tried telling Armand about Yugo and Adamaï. (Season 1)

12) Didn’t get taken seriously by Eva when she told her about the dream she had of Sadida telling her to search for Yugo. (Season 1)

13) Got called a ‘salad’ by some guards from a city and by Toross in a sneak peek from Season 4 (Seasons 2-4)

14) Her best friend, Eva, is now too busy with her family to be in touch with her like they used to so Amalia pretty much has to deal with her problems on her own most of the time and can’t rely on a close friend for support. (OVA BOOK 1-2-3 - Season 3)

15) Everyone in the Brotherhood of the Tofu has someone in their life that makes them a duo whether it’s romantic or familial: Dally and Evangelyne, Yugo and Adamai, Elely and Flopin, Ruel and Arpagone. Amalia has no one. (Seasons 1-2-OVAS-3)

16) The queen of the Sadida Kingdom died when Amalia was just a young child. Because of the death of her mother at such a young age, Amalia already had some family trauma from the start. She grew up with two men, with no motherly or feminine presence in her life. With no exemple from any female role model, she became spoiled, bratty, and rude to the people she deems as inferior to her princess status. (Seasons 1-2-manga)

Please I just want season 4 to do her justice cuz at this point, I’m just genuinely impressed that she hasn’t cracked yet.

The fact that season 1 only gave us hints of the beginning of her troubles is wild tho…

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manueillustrations · 3 years

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FR- J'aime beaucoup Ruel et Arpagone. J'aimais aussi les séquences en sépia que l'on peut voir dans la série, qui remémore les souvenirs de Ruel dans sa folle jeunesse... Un petit hommage à ces deux personnages qui se retrouvent enfin, des années plus tard. EN- I really like Ruel and Arpagone. I also liked the sepia sequences that we can see in the series, which recalls the memories of Ruel in his young years ... A small tribute to these two characters who finally meet again, years later.

#Ruel Stroud #Arpagone #wakfu #couple #lovers #wakfu saison 2

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