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geekgirles · 13 days
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Lady Echo: A Character Analysis
Before we dive in, there's something about me you should know. I'm a TV Tropes truther. That site is my Bible. If a piece of media interests me, then you'd better believe I have visited its TV Tropes page.
And because of that, Echo in particular is a character I've been meaning to talk about for a while now, because I get the feeling people tend to overlook what I feel is the true core of her character at the end of season 3.
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As you can see, while other tropes go more into detail about her true motivations behind betraying Oropo, that part of her character ends up being reduced to being a Woman Scorned, and while that certainly applies here, I really don't think that's the trope that best encapsulates her character and her decisions at the end of the season.
A Woman Scorned is essentially any woman who has been wronged by the person she loves and seeks revenge or has at least expressed great anger. And it can go from being cheated on by a partner, or simply being rejected by their love interest and not taking it well. And both heroic and villainous characters can be the ones to break her heart. In fact, Arpagone too would be an example of this trope, as even if her feelings for Ruel are still there, most of her actions are motivated by the pain she feels for his decision to choose money over her.
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As you can see, this all fits with Echo's actions and feelings at the end of season 3, but it's very general overall. Which is why, in my humble opinion, Echo is a better example of Love Forgives All but Lust.
This trope is essentially a deconstruction of tropes centred around the appeal bad boys have for women. The thing about women falling for bad boys is that those women tend to know they're bad news, and beyond a desire to be the ones to change them, the real reason that interest is born is because they're attracted to the idea of the bad boy being a jerk to everyone, but them. Love Forgives All but Lust is what happens when the woman is rudely awakened from that delusion.
In other words, when they realise not even they are safe from their partner's worst actions. And what is the best way to have a woman feel betrayed to the point of seeking revenge? Unfaithfulness.
Sure, they will forgive their partner if it turns out he's a serial killer, but if he cheats? Then he's the one who's dead.
And example of Love Forgives All but Lust is when the police is trying to get a mafioso's wife/girlfriend to testify against her lover, but she refuses to cooperate... until she discovers her husband/boyfriend has a lover, then she'll do everything to bring him down.
If you think about it, this is essentially what happened between Echo and Oropo after he revealed he only ever "loved" Amalia. Even if Echo is a much more active player in Oropo's machinations than simply being aware of them, having helped him carry over his plans for centuries as his second-in-command.
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After he kissed Amalia and claimed Echo never meant anything to him compared to her, that's when Echo totally lost it. And her subsequent actions are a direct result of his betrayal. It never had anything to do with Echo seeing the error of her ways, as we all know.
Think about it, it wasn't until Oropo chose Amalia over her, after everything they had ever been through, that Echo truly struck. Once it became apparent her lover didn't care for her nearly as much as she cared for him, that's when Echo revealed his true plans: to destroy the gods, he must destroy the World of Twelve and deprive them of followers. In other words, he was willing to commit mass genocide for the sake of his dream.
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Moreoever, the fact that she got to reveal the true extent of his plans at all already highlights that only she knew about them. All along, Echo knew what Oropo was planning, the consequences of his dreams, and she never once stopped believing in his cause. Their conversation in episode 6 even going as far as explaining Echo already believed in him and supported his dreams before ever falling for him, meaning she can't even excuse her actions by saying her feelings blinded her. Because she was perfectly aware of Oropo's plans all along.
And yet, that didn't stop her from loving him. If anything, it was only another reason she fell in love with him.
No, it wasn't until Oropo broke her heart that she ever went against him.
If you ask me, this all reads as Echo not minding Oropo's most questionable tendencies because she was convinced she was exempt from ever being at the receiving end of his worst actions. After all, she had been by his side the longest, witnessing how he got rid of demigods that failed to meet his standards or were no longer useful (going with what the show claims, I haven't read Ogrest's manga). It wasn't until he kissed Amalia and shoved her aside that Echo realised not even she was safe from him.
And it was because Oropo had had no qualms to screw her over that Echo decided it was her turn to screw him over. And hence, she revealed his plans to the Brotherhood of the Forgotten, not because she'd seen the error of her ways, but because Oropo had hurt her and she wanted to make him bleed in turn.
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In the end, Echo's actions weren't fuelled solely by revenge or even jealousy, they were fuelled by the bitter realisation that she never meant as much to Oropo as he meant to her. It was about realising he had no qualms hurting her, not about how he had no qualms hurting anyone else.
It was about Echo not being enough for Oropo.
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And for me, that's why Echo is a better example of Love Forgives All but Lust.
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cocogum · 12 days
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How is Coqueline older than Dathura?
In the first episode of the fourth season, the brotherhood of the Tofu, accompanied by The Siblings, venture into the library of the Gods. It is revealed by Dathura that this place is where every recorded life of every being that has ever existed is kept. During their visit, Dathura picks up Coqueline's life book, which appears significantly thicker than the others, and presents it to her.
What’s absurd about this moment is that Dathura tells her that the book looks bigger than any other in here because she’s the oldest among them.
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Isn’t it odd how a demigoddess osamodas is OLDER than one of Sadida’s divine dolls?
I say this because it sounds very strange based on the existing knowledge we have about the creation of the world.
According to the lore of the World of Twelve, when the gods first discovered this world, it was entirely uninhabited. There was no trace of any living beings or natural elements.
The gods decided to use their divine power to create a world that is suitable for their subjects to live in. The gods Osamodas and Sadida played a significant role in creating the wildlife and plant life respectively. (it is worth noting that Xelor also played a crucial role in the creation of time itself, though this is not directly related to the topic at hand)
When it was time to bring balance to the world, Sadida crafted ten Sadida dolls with the intention of seducing Osamodas' ten dragons. However, only six of the dolls were successful in their mission, which resulted in the creation of the six primordial Dofus that we know today.
This is where Coqueline's initial appearance seems to be somewhat disorganized.
During the period when Osamodas and Sadida collaborated to create the Dofus, their subjects could not have been created because the world lacked balance which made it difficult for their people to live in it. This underscores the importance of the Dofus in maintaining equilibrium in their world.
So here is where the question comes in.
If Coqueline is older than Dathura, how was Coqueline conceived?
Coqueline is a demigoddess so her mother must’ve been a mortal who had once lived before the creation of the dofus, a time when Dathura did not exist.
The Ogrest manga does not explain nor mention Coqueline’s past or her mother.
I also tried to look into the Dofus game and see what it can tell us about Coqueline’s background and yet again, I have nothing. There is a chance I might have missed information regarding her though since I do not play Dofus.
Regardless of whether or not I played the game, Coqueline is only seen wanting to take revenge on her father in Dofus.
It is clear now that Coqueline could not have come from a time when mortals could live properly in the world. Therefore, her mother could not have been a mortal. It can be deduced that Coqueline must have been conceived by a dragon.
And here are the reasons for this assumption.
Coqueline, who is considered to be the oldest member of The Siblings, appears to be significantly younger than her peers. Her youthful appearance is so striking that it could easily lead one to mistake her for a child no older than Elely and Flopin.
The young-looking appearance of a person within a group can sometimes be deceiving, as it may not accurately reflect their actual age. This phenomenon is reminiscent of Yugo, who despite having a childlike appearance, was actually an adult.
Yugo's physical appearance is distinctively child-like due to the presence of dragon blood in his veins. This unique biological makeup inhibits his normal growth process, resulting in him being unable to mature at a rate comparable to his friends.
There is only one known instance where an individual was observed to age slowly due to the presence of dragon blood in their system. And this exceptional case was Yugo.
So when we look at Coqueline, it appears that she is also affected by the aging issue similar to Yugo. Since her father is the god of beasts, which encompasses dragons among other creatures, it is worth noting that this correlation may not be a mere coincidence.
It's possible that Coqueline's irregular growth compared to the other demigods could be explained by her being a product of Osamodas and a dragon. This would not only suggest that her genetic composition is different from the others, but it would also explain why she still looks and sounds like a child despite being the oldest.
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manueillustrations · 1 year
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FR- Coqueline et Gob-Gob, de Wakfu ^^
Note: Un soir, en racontant une histoire à ma fille,  j'ai utilisé Gob-Gob pour agrémenter l'histoire. Une super peluche que ma chère complice a offert à ma fille pour Noël. Ça m'a inspirée de dessiner Coqueline.
EN- Coqueline and Gob-Gob, from Wakfu ^^
Note: One evening, while telling a story to my daughter, I used Gob-Gob to enhance the story. A great stuffed animal that my accomplice gave to my daughter for Christmas. It inspired me to draw Coqueline.
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Sarah Bernhardt and Coquelin on a vintage postcard, mailed in 1904
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phosphorus-12 · 3 months
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Wakfu AU Chapter 3
Yugo panicked, thinking he’d been found. He opened his mouth, not entirely sure what would come out when the person put their finger to their lips and shushed him.
“Shut up, you’re gonna get me caught,” the person hissed. They were a head shorter than him and had a mask covering their face. It looked like a skull and it had black feathers on it that fell down their back. They wore a cloak going down to just above their feet, which had no shoes.
“Who are you???” Yugo was confused. “What are you doing in here?”
The person lifted their mask. It was a little Osamodas girl who looked about six. She had pink hair and an indignant look on her face.
“I don’t think you need to know that.” She turned up her nose at him, looking at him like all little kids do when they thought they knew more than him. Grougal often had that look and while Yugo never appreciated it, and he could usually handle it. But now, he was reaching the end of his rope. “You don’t look like you think at all.” He internally facepalmed. He was talking to a six-year-old like this? What happened to being mature?
Then the girl snickered. She obviously wasn’t phased. That’s new. Whenever kids in his village talked to their little siblings like that there was crying and whining, or biting in Grougal’s case. Adamai used to get really impatient with the younger dragon. Sarcasm never really helped.
“I’m Coqueline,” she said, holding her hand out. “I’m here to free these animals. You?”
“Yugo.” He shook her hand. “Me too.”
“Wanna help me?” She offered.
“Uh, sure. Yeah, why not?”
“Okay, so we start by unlocking this…”
They worked in total silence, any noise that their clothes or the cages made concealed by the roaring laughter and loud thunder outside. As they worked, Coqueline whispered to the animals to stay put until she said so, and they listened. Yugo thought that this was incredible. When the rain slowed to a stop, the sky was still closed by rain. The men had gone to sleep a while ago and now started waking up. The cages had all been unlocked and the animals unshackled. The doors were still closed so that the trappers wouldn’t get suspicious.
The two snuck out of the cave and waited in some nearby trees. The men took the cages out of the cave and put them on the ground in the clearing just outside the entrance to the cave. Now that it was lighter out, while admittedly still being gray, Yugo could finally see around them.
The forest extended as far as the eye could see. There was a river nearby that fell off of a cliff that he somehow hadn’t seen. The ground next to it looked pretty unstable, though. He needed to avoid that.
Yugo wondered where they were going to put all the cages. A tall one took out a Haven bag. Smart choice. Made sense.
Coqueline got ready to whistle. The animals would stampede and then they would incapacitate the trappers while the creatures fled.
One… Two… Thr-
And the clearing burst into flames.
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dddima · 3 months
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art-of-illlustration · 2 months
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Edouard Detaille, Fanfan la Tulipe, Coquelin, Paris, 1895.
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khunnnia · 10 days
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Nothing’s like drawing LOGH men. The amount of serotonin I got is unfathomable.
I know I realized this for a while now, but the more obscure the character, the more interesting they are.
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The name of the characters are tagged in order.
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highendhoney · 1 year
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Charlotte Coquelin
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imvges-football · 6 months
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coacharteta · 1 year
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I haven't felt this invested in an Arsenal squad in a decade. It feels so great to love them all so much again.
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geekgirles · 2 months
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I'm rewatching the episodes in French and Dathura hasn't made a reappearance has she? She just up and vanished.
Sorry to keep you waiting. First I had to take some screenshots and then my laptop's battery was always on the verge of giving out, so I couldn't just sit down and answer sooner.
But honestly, yeah! I actually wanted to point that out too!
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Compared to the rest of the Brotherhood of the Forgotten, Dathura's disappearance is just plain weird. I watched an interview where Tot revealed that, unlike what the Kickstarter trailer might suggest, the demigods wouldn't really play a major role in season 4. And honestly, that's fair. Given the show is about the Brotherhood or the Tofu and, more importantly, they had just learned their purpose in life ended up being their being manipulated by a megalomaniac with daddy issues, realistically, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with action for a while either.
There's of course the fact that each of them asked to be sent to completely different locations and had very different goals. For example, Coqueline, Kali, and Sipho just wanted to pick up the pieces of what Oropo and especially Echo started and live as a family. And despite both of them ending up in Bonta, Ush wanted nothing to do with Black Bump.
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Which makes Dathura's disappearance from the main plot all that weirder. Because she is about the only demigoddes who has any business participating in the main plot by virtue of her actually being there.
Seriously, once again, the Sadida Kingdom is at the very centre of everything. They're the Nécromes main, or at least first, target. And yet, there is no sign of Dathura helping out as the powerful demigoddess she is despite her accepting Amalia's invitation to live in the kingdom and even going as far as remaining by her side the entirety of the third episode.
She was never even introduced to Armand and Aurora despite both of them being there when Amalia returned with her. Made all the more jarring by the fact that she remained by the princess' side even as she mourned her father's death and the next day (?) she just...vanishes with no explanation?
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Seriously, out of all of the members of the Forgotten, the two with the most reason to have a bigger role in season 4 are Dathura and Ush. The former because she is supposed to be living there at the time of the Nécromes' attack, and the latter because he was the one who informed Joris of what was going on.
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In Ush's case I can understand he decides to stay on the sidelines since he isn't exactly a hero, he mostly just does his own thing. But Dathura's disappearance can be very jarring.
What, did she awkwardly leave Amalia to mourn her father while she went to check in on Ogrest?
Oh, well. The season's been great so far and I don't really have any trouble with this. It's just weird, it's all.
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luegootravez · 1 month
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Charlotte Coquelin by © Alessandro Burzigotti
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moviesandmania · 3 months
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Sarah Bernhardt and Coquelin on a vintage postcard, mailed in 1905 to Paris
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devonrichtmeyer · 1 year
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Stanislavski seemed to think Coquelin was worth mentioning, so I figured he might be worth reading! 'Shadows of the Stage' was just a happy extra I found in the search! #Antiquarian #AntiquesAreSexy #Coquelin #Stanislavski #TheArtOfTheActor #ShadowsOfTheStage https://www.instagram.com/p/CpLpvxlOQ38/?igshid=NGJjMDIxMWI=
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