#series stans really be like

[youlackconviction]

had some fun on twitter today lol. a series stan came @ me with some of the above so i decided to compile them and other common genuine responses that i’ve seen to LOKI-series-critical meta and create a fun little game for y’all.

if you want to use this board go ahead, i’d appreciate a credit back this blog or my twitter @ulackconviction if you do use it, so i can follow your threads myself. just save the pic, mark which responses you’ve received from fans of the LOKI series, and reblog with your edited bingo card.

below i the cut will quote each one and my own response to each “argument”.

if you hate sylki then you are biphobic - no, i hate sylki for many reasons but alleged bisexuality is not one. how about, the toxic abuse dynamic sylvie sets up towards LOKI? let’s start there.

you don’t want your uwu emo boy LOKI to heal - incorrect. i’d love for him to finally get a chance to be heard and acknowledged, genuinely cared for and shown how to let go of his unresolved trauma. but that would require a compassionate person talking about it and showing it, none of which the series did.

it’s not incest they don’t have the same parents - they literally have the same father: laufey of jotunnheim.

it’s not self-cest that’s a made-up thing - well. hard to say really isn’t it? since the showrunners have both defined sylvie as “a LOKI” and as “not a LOKI” in the same breath. obviously it’s a fantasy concept, but people will have their opinions about that either way.

why don’t y’all just move on and shut up? - rude. why should we? LOKI is important to us and the series is hurtful and disappointing, and we will shut up when we feel like it. maybe never. cry about it.

if you don’t like it then don’t watch it - we like LOKI tho. and that’s who we were promised. that’s why we watched it. the damage is done.

y’all are just mad that lokius is not canon - lmao if there’s one thing to not be mad about in this shitshow, that would be it. mobius is just as toxic and abusive to LOKI as sylvie is, so it’s just as well.

LOKI is just a selfish villain - citations needed thanks. i’ll wait. not even the series managed to portray him that way so... good luck.

sylvie is not LOKI she’s her own person - ok... if she’s not LOKI why is she dressed like him? why does everyone in the series call her the superior LOKI variant? why was LOKI’s help enlisted in the first place to capture her? why does she say “we are the same person” to him?

sylvie is LOKI so genderfluid rep is on screen every time she is - wait what? she is LOKI now? hang on... i think i have whiplash. and more questions. also, an individual presenting and identifying consistently as a single binary gender throughout their entire appearance does not constitute genderfluidity representation.

mobius did not torture LOKI it was therapy - therapy. right. so physical violence, threats of further violence/death, repetitive physical brutality for the purposes of “softening up” the candidate (yes that can also be defined as torture), intimidation, and misrepresenting the truth for manipulative purposes (you killed your mother) is therapeutic. got it.

fluidphobia is not a real thing - genderfluid folks would disagree. let’s ask them?

go touch grass - one of my favourites, gotta say. for all you know i’m typing this on my phone while laying in a hay paddock lol.

misogynist, you obviously just hate women - again. the reasons i can’t stand sylvie are many and varied, and none of them have anything to do with her biology or gender. disliking one (1) woman because of her actions and personality is not logical grounds for such an accusation.

well tom loves the series so... - uh, good for him? i think tom loves tennis too... doesn’t mean i have to enjoy it, nor i suspect would he insist that it’s unreasonable for me not to do so. my brain is actually separated from tom’s by the entire molten core of a planet, so i can actually think my own thoughts about things.

LOKI is out of character in the series because he learned self love - okay so he learned self-love the instant he fell from the sky above that mongolian settlement? because that’s the moment when he ceased to resemble MCU LOKI in any way, shape, or form. hair, skin colour, mannerisms, personality, vocabulary, physical strength, intelligence, fighting ability, grace, wit, charm. wow. incredible. who knew it would be so easy? and who knew self-love would look so shitty?

LOKI is not out of character in the series compared to the films - um... actually he is, and it can easily be demonstrated with simple side-by-side comparisons of appearance, posture and body language, abilities, and speech patterns. see above.

LOKI is out of character in all the movies and now we see his real self - this is such incredible nonsense - it’s impossible for a character to be out of character in their seminal appearance(s). thor 2011 established LOKI’s character. this claim is right up there with “LOKI acts differently from the movies when he’s off camera.” um... what? hun, this is a movie. there is ONLY on-camera. there IS nothing else. are you confusing BTS footage of tom with LOKI?

series antis have no friends - one in a range of irrelevant and unsubstantiated personal attacks that series fans like to sprinkle into their arguments as if it somehow strengthens them, rather than revealing them to be three children in a trench coat hurling insults.

everything you think about LOKI is just a headcanon - no... the stuff that i know about him was told to me by the films, and by the writers and directors of the films, and by tom back when he was first engaged for the role. all of it is coherent and consistent. and that’s what i think about LOKI.

i’m not going to read/watch that! but you are wrong - incredible powers of deduction: to refuse to even engage with a piece of media or information and yet claim to know everything it contains, and be able to judge its accuracy. truly amazing.

LOKI isn’t going to fuck you - again, more absolute gold from a person who has literally run out of rebuttals. when you consider the barriers to such a liaison... crossing the boundaries of reality no less... lol imagine if this is how political debates were conducted in parliament or the senate. “the president/senator/prime minister/queen isn’t going to fuck you, you know!” lmaoooo.

LOKI is a narcissist to fall in love with himself - look up NPD, and then read this again. also, LOKI actually hates himself and goes along with others’ ridicule of him because his self-worth is literally in the gutter. he only likes sylvie because he describes her as being nothing like himself. he has no idea that he has any value.

your anti opinions are taking away my enjoyment - ok so... don’t read them? block me or mute me or whatever, and get on with your life? it’s not like you have any kind of past attachment to me like series-antis do with LOKI?

i never liked LOKI before the series anyhow - i mean that’s fine. but don’t even start trying to tell people who actually do know and love the original character, ANYTHING at all about him. don’t even start.

sylvie’s trauma is worse than LOKI’s - how do we even know? and why is that even relevant? how do you judge what damage a person has incurred by comparing it to some other different person with different experiences? fuck off with your trauma olympics. but since you made it a competition: LOKI wins. i care about him, i don’t care about sylvie. therefore his pain and opportunity for healing will always be more important to me. die mad about it.

even if the series hurt minorities, how many people even is that, tho - literally a remark one of my friends received when defending genderfluid folks on her blog. so apparently according to series fans, you actually can put a number on how much real-world suffering is okay for the sake of entertainment.

sylvie is not a narcissist to fall in love with herself - interesting, since in the show LOKI was explicitly labelled one for this exact reason. an “incredible seismic narcissist”, in fact. there wouldn’t be a serious double standard in play at all, would there?

no one cares what you think - well i have evidence to the contrary: both from people who agree with me letting me know; and from those who don’t being unable to resist coming at me and berating me for it. including the person who said this, ironically.

you just hate sylki cos you want to fuck your siblings - another incredible take by a series fan defending the canon ship. i really can’t follow their line of argument here... it’s unclear what message they want me to walk away with. surely if i hated the ship for incest reasons it would be because i DON’T want to fuck my siblings? (for the record, i do not). so that was a confusing one, but it was a real response, so it got included.

#in defense of loki #fandom wank #series stans really be like

[h0rsegirlpercy]

I also really liked how they changed the lore of the Big Three Pact to not involve WWII anymore cuz when I was reading TLT again the whole story with WWII specifically just seemed to follow the narrative of “Hades kids bad” which obviously isn’t something that the later books show

#also when Grover said it wouldn’t be good if hades had a cabin at chb… #reading that was like wow times really did change after the first series huh #if I wasn’t a nico stan i swear I wouldn’t have even noticed this lmfao #percy jackson #pjato #pjo #rick riordan #percy jackson and the olympians #mine #percy jackon and the olympians #pjo tv show

[givemewallywestorgivemedeath]

Abso-fucking-lutely vibing with World's Finest: Teen Titans' addition of Karen as one of the founding members.

Because good fucking god, before this the team was two demigods, two billionaire teens and a Normal Kid™ in neon yellow BUT NOW?! Now it's two demigods, two billionaire teens and TWO Normal Kids™ in neon yellow!

No but seriously though Wally is the only one who has to like... mow the lawn and watch his neighbor's cat when they go away for the long weekend. He's the only one who knows how to mail a letter at the post office and how much pencils cost at a book fair. He's got superpowers and terrible parents and yet somehow he is the MOST NORMAL ONE THERE.

Which speaks volumes about the rest of them tbh.

But now!!! Karen and Wally get to be nerds ✨together✨ and they get free tickets to watch the trainwrecks that the other Teen Titans call life

Seriously though I think these two are aggressively trying to be friends with each other while also roleplaying their 'cool guy' hero personas, which is extremely funny to me. These two are absolute nerds with no friends in school and they are DESPERATE for a friend and they've just met but they've both decided "Yeah that one. That one is friend shaped"

Wally: you move too slow

Karen: learn how to fly dumbass

Anyway I love them

#this is really fun because its like the og titans series where Wally took one look at Mal and was like :O NEW BEST FRIEND #(important to note that mal was a random ass civilian and not even remotely a hero and Wally offered him a spot on the titans right there) #but Karen joined before Mal here and instead of Wally glomming on THEY'VE BOTH GLOMMED ON #TO EACH OTHER #anyway i just think that's beautiful #go off you beautiful neon yellow bastard children. you have terrible homes lives and too much trauma but i hope you have fun being silly #they deserve to be silly together #and maybe they should both go to therapy. not together just in general. i think theyd both benefit #like absolute vibes that they have panic attacks with each other. i stan that they trust each other #but also. therapy queens. pls go #dc #dc comics #the flash #kid flash #wally west #karen beecher #bumblebee #worlds finest teen titans #teen titans #titans

[ukulele-hero]

I do wonder if the writers of 23.5 didn't anticipate how immediately the audience would both love and deeply understand Aylin as a character

like I wonder if the reason the last few episodes felt very awkward and ham-fisted is because they assumed the viewers would find aylin strange and mysterious and had this arc that "explained" her behavior by having a big reveal about getting bullied when it seems that in reality everyone understood her whole deal from the very beginning

i also get the impression from aylin's big confession scene that they might have expected the audience to overall relate more with the popular seniors (which could explain the otherwise baffling decision to have ton and mawin present when they had no significant part in aylin's story otherwise. I also think they expected the reception to ton to be a lot warmer than it perhaps has been, but that's a whole other post)

either way it feels like there was a big disconnect from what they expected out of their viewers and what people ultimately wanted out of the show

#23.5 the series #23.5 #23.5 degrees #theres still a couple more episodes so i could be wrong #its interesting because the majority of the stuff people have had problems with are things that are straight from the novel #at least from what i remember of it #no comment on the mess of that ending of episode 10 #but it really feels like they wrote aylin to be this weird outsider we as the audience are supposed to be curious about #but ultimately not relate to #unfortunately they didnt anticipate their audience to be 100% aylin stans and apologists from episode 1 #and i get the impression they wrote ton to be a sort of loveable but harmless scamp #but he's come off as more of a borderline unwelcome presence

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

i love how some fans say that glimmer was easily manipulated by horde prime when..

catra was really the one dumb enough to think that horde prime would spare her as soon as she gave him adora's coordinates.

#stans really act like catra is the only intelligent character in the series #and the rest of them are dumbasses #spop critical #spop salt #spop criticism #spop discourse #spop #she ra #anti spop

[mydairpercabeth]

Who is Annabeth Chase stan #3 (after you and Percy of course!)

Annabeth Chase stans in order:

1. Percy Jackson

2. Me

3. Sally Jackson

4. Poseidon

5. Tyson

6. Chiron

nobody is a bigger annabeth chase stan than percy though

#me and percy are really close though #like im almost there but not quite #just like how im the number 2 leah jeffries stan after walker #my hc is that all of percys family love annabeth so much and are always rooting for her #love her down #annabeth chase #percy jackson #bee #sally jackson #poseidon #tyson pjo #pjo #percy jackon and the olympians #percy jackson the lightning thief #pjo tv #percy series #pjo tv show #percabeth #walker scobell #leah sava jeffries

[throwawayasoiafaccount]

question: how can you adore elia when she’s barely a character?

we do not know enough about this character for her to even have stans.

stanning elia is illogical at best, completely delusional and very concerning at worst.

because what even is it that is being stanned and adored? your self insert?

#her biggest contribution to the story was her death #sorry to say it #but it really is odd that people so fervently stan this character who’s barely a character #at least rhaegar and lyanna have more narrative importance #elia is another character who’s been ruined for me by the fandom #she’s a walking victim aesthetic at this point #i wouldn’t be so annoyed by elia stans if their stanning ended with adoring this barely a character character #but it doesn’t #it’s simply dany hate disguised as rhaegar hate by attempting to take a morally defensible position #stanning elia the not a character character that has no faults because she’s not important and we know nothing about her #is the position elia stans have decided to take in order to cleverly hate on dany #you people are obvious and it’s simply annoying like seriosuly go read a different book series #dany is not a monster and never will be and rhaegar was never even remotely close to being the scumbag you make him out to be #you people don’t like george’s books you like your self inserts. go read twilight please #asoiaf fandom critical #anti elia stans #asoiaf

[bnprm]

words cannot describe the noises i made when seobin appeared (i already knew he had a small role but i was crying fr)

#i love him so much #i love that he’s still interacting with bl #tbh he’s the first like.. korean bl actor to really invest himself into more than one bl role #i love to see it #he’s like a gay little stan lee cjdndjdndk #keep making cameos seobin #yoon seobin #seobin #roommates of poongduck 304 #kissable lips #bon appetit the series #bon appetit bl #bon appetit series #bon appetit #korean bl #bl series #korean bl series #kbl #kdrama #korean #korean drama

[asleepinawell]

Zenos making things Weird™

#final fantasy xiv #ffxiv #final fantasy 14 #ffxivedit #zenos yae galvus #gamingedit #myedit #mp #i am very much not a zenos stan/simp #hated his dumb golf bag wielding face the moment he showed up #however this scene made me go from hating him to still hating him but finding him highly entertaining #voice actor really just went for it #i was laughing the whole time #like wow zenos wtf my dude #and my poor wol standing there like sir this is a wendys #the garleans need to start carrying folding chairs to hand out when they start monloguing my boy is TIRED #anyway kudos to square for this dialogue they didn't have to write it like that but they did and I think that's neat #zenos being normal saga #<- tag for the full series of gif sets as i make them

[hypermascbishounen]

Thinking again about how healing from cycles of revenge and abuse is a pretty common theme in manga and anime,

and in particular from fathers or other male authority figures who have hurt boys in shounen manga and anime,

and how most of them start off from the beginning with the stance that hatred is consumptive, sometimes from a cultural Buddhist context,

to set up how a character will ultimately need to move beyond hating his abusers in order to fully heal,

and how the current wave of english-speaking manga and anime fans new to the genre, don't seem to notice any of this, and get extremely angry if the story pays off its own set-up, and has any character heal in any way that isn't just hating an abuser forever.

#I really wanna know how these people always wind up long term stanning a series that blatantly disagrees with them #And then still react like surprised_tails.jpg when it concludes exactly how it said it was going to #“Why does my baby still love people who hurt him? #In the story where everyone who chooses resentment becomes a villain and is horse punched 1000 times?" #On one hand I think some of this is maybe cultural Christians not getting how something isn't in that context #Maybe also some people just aren't at that point where this type of story is as valuable as revenge catharsis comfort #But I'm just baffled by how often people seem to feel like a really consistent theme came out of nowhere or was “wrong” writing #Why and how are you in the fandom for the story whose opening arc was “resolving to resent your way out of trauma is destructive”? #Like I thought that was the thing you had to be cool with to get on board

[laesas]

Maybe 'Why Don't You Stay' is more about Kim asking himself why he didn't fight for a relationship that was so clearly making him better. He's saying out loud that Chay did nothing wrong, that being with Chay was the first time Kim felt like he had a purpose and a home. He's admitting to himself that love was actually what he wanted and then he's asking himself why he left anyway when every bone in his body was screaming at him to stay.

#the you in why dont you stay is kim grabbing himself by the shoulders and shaking himself violently #which is great because it saves me a job #kinnporsche the series #kimchay #kim theerapanyakul #kimhan theerapanyakul #''why dont you stay'' as shorthand for ''what the fuck is wrong with me why did i go out of my way to fuck that up'' #look at the thai translation rather than the world tour version and then come tell me I'm right. :') #like its the voice of Chay in Kims head going ''why didnt you stay why wouldnt you choose this'' and kim not really having an answer #because leaving Chay didnt keep him safe #from drugs or from the mafia lifestyle #so Kim is left wondering that if it didnt matter either way then why wouldnt he choose Chay #but he realised all of that too late and now he's stuck and theres no going back (but there is he's just dumb and self-loathing) #anyway #stan jeff satur stream why dont you stay or something #jeff satur #kimchay wip #mine

[chu-uu]

BITCH, I-

#we were all rooting for you in silvio's route emma what the hell?? #she's lucky she found someone who loves her😀 #emma be like : Rio is good but check out these traumatized princes who don't want me and some of them actually tried to kill me #im not even a rio stan but i feel sad rejecting him in every route 😩 #the poor guy really cares about her #ikemen prince #otome game #ikepri #ikemen series #ikemen prince rio

[thejadecount]

I find it real fucking funny how we’re all like “Okay no the 2012 show and the Rise show are BOTH good STOP it with the hating on each other, the turtles would INSTANTLY adopt each other as new brothers!”

And then all at once we all started hating on 2012! April

#do you guys know how many pinterests and tumblr posts #I’ve seen of rise donnie and April telling 2012 donnie that he deserves better and he should be gone #and then they’re like “now let’s go break her kneecaps! #watch this anger the 5 2012 April stans out there and that try to come me #it’s be hilarious if it does tho #that’s right you losers this is the 2012! April hate post #and before you ask #no I don’t actually really hate the character herself #but I do hate it how she was written in the show and mostly reduced to ‘keep leading donnie on’ and ‘op plot cannon’ #she’s written in fanfics great tho #(ahem stranger in the mirrior I’m talking about that) #she is like the only reason I’m not rewatching the 2012 series #rottmnt #rise tmnt #rottmnt fandom #2k12 tmnt #2k12 april #she’s there to provide ‘good feminist representation’ and shit #as an AFAB I call BULLSHIT #but this isn’t about me #2k12 tmnt fandom

[empty-blog-for-lurking]

Toh as a story is haunted by the actions of two people who died long before the series even started.

One of them is part of a race of ancient god-like creatures, one of the last of his kind who sealed another god-like child of pure chaos and may or may not be the very bones that make the boiling isles and everything that lives within it.

The other one is literally Just Some Guy™ whose only defining trait was 1) that he was decent big brother to this one kid and 2) he got pegged by his Witch girlfriend, a fact that the aforementioned kid hated so much he has been making it everyone's problem for centuries

#no one is doing it like Caleb wittebane #really accidentally kick started the plot of a series because he got some witchussy #we have to stan #toh titan #toh caleb #caleb wittebane #toh evelyn #evelyn clawthorne #the owl house #toh shitpost #toh spoilers

[bylertruther]

smth abt eddie telling dustin to look after the little sheep -> s5 is going to return to s1 form -> dustin tells mike in s1 that his obliviousness blows his mind -> the whole painting & confession & obvious general fiasco that is willelmike -> dustin's going to have to put on his bob the builder / "the world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes" sherlock holmes hat and get involved

#byler #do i think he's going to go “Dude You Are GAYYYYYYYYY”? no. but i do think he'd go “🤨 why are u guys being weird.” in some way which is #what tips over the first domino in the series of events #maybe . wishful thinking? mayhaps . but im Free #i also wouldnt be opposed to steve saying smth to jonathan which makes him go 🤨😳😦🫢 #but i think ppl very much downplay dustin's role in the group and the support he offers his friends and how observant and “nosy” he is #and things are going to be much different now if they continue like how we left off ... so u don't think dustin would notice? #and u don't think tht he'd say something? esp when he had to deal with mike being an el stan + his obliviousness to others and their #jealousy over him? especially with him now being the character tht everyone wishes would shut up lmao? or with how #close he was to mike before he went to cali and how he had to take his place in his absence? #there's a million ways it could to obvi and i really don't have an expectation any which way but . #with tht latest least fave poll........ it jus made me think abt how a lot of people jus . really forget he exists #which is so crazy bc he stays in everyones business LMAO #but anyway . #she be rambling #and on mobile top so u already know im not rereading this if its incoherent its incoherent 🤷‍♀️ #omg the typos... >_> you guys know wht i Mean . #mine #s5 predictions

[r-2-peepoo]

How I feel sitting at a family dinner trying to repress the urge to talk about the really severe hyperfixation on the God of Mischief I have rn, which is the first one I’ve ever had in my nearly twelve years of being a Marvel fan (I’m shocked that it took this long)

#for reference my previous (still sort of current) favourite was steve rogers so it’s safe to say I don’t usually like villains #i obviously still adore him but endgame destroy his character #but we move on #and the loki ending absolutely fucks so I’m back in my MCU era #im back in the fucking building again #they made loki so nice and so silly and they gave him an even sillier boyfriend #we have no choice but to stan #and tom hiddleston is so lovely so it was really inevitable #loki #loki series #loki season 2 #marvel #mcu loki #loki laufeyson