#ml reflekdoll

[iwasbored777]

The fandom in season 5: It's unrealistic for Marinette to be so thirsty for a boy like she's thirsty for Chat Noir.

Marinette back in season 3:

#Marinette was both thirsty and wet here I know how teen brain works this is it 😂😂😂😂 #miraculous ladybug #marinette dupain cheng #adrien agreste #Adrienette #Ml reflekdoll

[tikkissweettooth]

I wonder if she paid any attention to his eye color

^

I found this in my drafts from 2020, and guess what!!!

#miraculous ladybug #ml spoilers #ml reflekdoll #ml passion #i'm calling success #kwami swap

[tempests-bards-and-birds]

But what I love most of all - is creating.

Marinette designing for @panvampirething!

#tempest's gif requests #ml #mlb #miraculous #miraculous ladybug #miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir #ml gifs #ml gif #mledit #marinette dupain cheng #ml mr pigeon #ml silencer #ml the puppeteer 2 #ml reflekdoll #i #adrien agreste #alya cesaire #ml tikki #tikki #luka couffaine

[adrinoir]

A job vs a second life

I always find it so fascinating how Marinette treats her hero life as more of a job vs Adrien who treats it as a completely different life. Let me break it down for you:

Marinette

Marinette didn’t want to be Ladybug in the first place, because she didn’t believe a clumsy girl like her could save Paris. And sadly, she still lacks that faith in herself especially with the new heavy responsibility of being guardian that was placed on her.

Also notice in how much she’s overworking herself, especially in the beginning of season 4. Her pushing her friends away to focus on being Ladybug reminds me of someone who has a poor work-life balance. She couldn’t properly balance between talking and spending time with friends. Similar to as if she was turning into a workaholic.

Additionally, Ladybug doesn’t like the spotlight that is shined on her and Cat Noir. Parisians try to treat them as if they’re celebrities as well as heroes. But, Ladybug sees this as her job - she doesn’t care about being a celebrity. She really got riled up about all this in Prime Queen and Glaciator 2. She had no interest in doing the interview, and hated that her and Cat Noir were voted “Couple of the Year.”

Also notice how she didn’t make a conscious effort in Copy Cat to actually remember to go to the debut of the hero statue. I know it’s in her nature to be a bit forgetful, but she wasn’t really all that enthused to go.

It wasn’t until Dark Owl, we actually see Ladybug and Cat Noir spending some quality time together, just talking as friends. And, fast forward to the beginning of season 4, Cat Noir makes an effort to talk to her and take her to the movies, which she actually agrees to. Then, they also go swimming (her suggestion). It may have been moreso to distract her from the stress she was dealing with, but it’s her finally embracing Ladybug as her 2nd life and not just her job.

Part of why she also denies having feelings for Cat Noir because she doesn’t necessarily want to be in love with someone who’s her partner in her job, and it’d be giving the people what they want to see. She doesn’t want being Ladybug to be her second life, yet it kinda became that as she started having some feelings for Cat Noir and she was forced into being the guardian. It’s a lot of work and drama that keeps affecting her civilian life.

She doesn’t like having to lie to her own friends and family about what she does, because she feels it shouldn’t have to be lied about, but this notion has been pushed by Master Fu that it’s the only option. She wants peace in her civilian life, but she has to keep thinking of ridiculous lies simply to hide the fact that she’s Ladybug. And because she was told she can’t, she’s a stickler about this with Cat Noir as well, similar to a boss who’s very strict when it comes to work policies.

Overall, she takes her job seriously and doesn’t want any shenanigans. It’s her job, she didn’t want it in the first place, but she wants to get it done and she feels good once she accomplished what she needed to.

Adrien

Adrien was so quick to jump into his role as Cat Noir because it’d be an escape from his terrible home life - Plagg flat out told him that, too. He likes being seen as this different person and having the freedom to do what he wants, considering his “normal” life is him being neglected, stuck at home, and forced into being a model. It’s a perfect example of escapism - the tendency to seek distraction and relief from unpleasant realities.

I’m glad Cat Noir learned how bad Ladybug was struggling, but she has yet to learn that this position is Cat Noir’s escape. He yearns to feel important and wanted for that very reason, not entirely because he’s in love with her like Kuro Neko tried to tell us.

The biggest thing is how different he acts as Cat Noir. It’s a part of him he doesn’t get to show in his everyday life. As Cat Noir, they don’t know he’s Adrien Agreste, so he can have as much fun and freedom as he wants, being this totally different character.

Take notice to how different his costume makes him look in comparison to Ladybug’s. He changed his eyes and hairstyle, and his mask makes his nose look a bit more pointed. Vs Ladybug whose design is much simpler - she looks much more similar to her civilian self. Adrien wanted to really hide who he is, even physically.

Additionally, Adrien does not like the insane fans and spotlight he has as a model. However, as Cat Noir, it’s a different. He likes the thrill of getting to be a different person when the mask is on. He’s respected a lot as Cat Noir and has some fans here and there, but it’s completely different than the crowd he has to deal with as Adrien. He’s the faithful partner of Ladybug, and although he’s just as important for their missions, there’s a bit more spotlight on Ladybug than there is on him. Notice how in Strikeback, the Parisians keep chanting “Ladybug!” but not “Ladybug and Cat Noir!!” or “Our heroes!”

Also keep in mind, the attention Cat Noir does get as a “celebrity” is the kind of attention he wants. Him and Ladybug’s hot gossip is that they’re a couple, which obviously isn’t true, but Cat Noir is in love with her and he likes that a lot of other people see the chemistry they have. I mean, for Christ’s sake, both the Parisians and us as an audience see all these kisses between them (I know Adrien salters give him a hard time but c’mon now. He’s constantly teased just as much as we are.) Overall, his time as Cat Noir is also time well spent with Ladybug.

Like I had mentioned in the section about Marinette, he also tries to get her to hang out with him as a friend. He wants Ladybug to be more relaxed instead of so uptight. He also hopes their friendship develops more, which then will blossom into a romance between them.

As a whole, Cat Noir takes his position as his Cat Noir seriously, but not for the same reason Ladybug does. For him, it’s an escape into a different life and much less of a job. He provides Ladybug with a lot of support and comic relief, and he has a wonderful time doing that. Anytime she pushes him away, it destroys what he feels is his purpose.

You can give Cat Noir crap for taking it seriously in that sense, and respect Ladybug for being more serious, but Ladybug and Cat Noir need each other to balance out how they handle their own roles.

#miraculous ladybug #tales of ladybug and cat noir #miraculers #miraculous #adrien agreste #chat noir #ladybug #marinette dupain cheng #ml season 4 #ml season 1 #ml reflekdoll #ladynoir #ml glaciator #ml glaciator 2 #glaciator 2 #prime queen #copy cat #ml copy cat #ml lies #gang of secrets #ml gang of secrets #dark owl #ml dark owl

[sidsinning]

Getting akumatized for reverently defending Marinette in the show that constantly blames her for everything you bet imma love this character

#ml #mlb #miraculous ladybug #luka couffaine #marinette dupain cheng #ladybug #silencer #viperion #sidrabbles #refer to qilin where mari apologizes to racist cops for forgetting pocket change #refer to reflekdoll where its maris fault she gave juleka space to calm down from her panic attack #etc etc #i kin luka fr

[bananagreste]

ladynoir, oh, ladynoir ↳ day 377

#miraculous ladybug #mledit #miraculousedit #animationedit #ladynoir #lady noire #mister bug #chat noir #ladybug #miraculeakless #ml leak free #mine #ep: reflekdoll #ep: climatika #project: ladynoir

[mintcroissants]

a small doodle I found in my sketchbook

#mister bug #lady noire #adrien agreste #marinette dupain cheng #chat noir #ladybug #miraculous ladybug #mlb #ml fanart #art tag #reffed from a reflekdoll sc #i miss drawing ml

[motherofplatypus]

Still extremely salty over the fact Marinette and Adrien barely had any moment over modelling or designing.

#last time they do that was in Style Queen #3 and a half SEASONS ago #there's also reflekdoll and Simpleman but SQ had the moment for them only and no creepy/cringe moment from Mari #no wonder people migrates to fanfic bcs their dynamic of designer and model ACTUALLY being utilized #miraculous ladybug #miraculous #mlb #miraculous salt #mlb salt #ml salt #miraculous ladybug salt #ml writers salt #ml writing salt #ml writing critical #thomas astruc salt #thomas astruc #marinette dupain cheng #adrien agreste #marinette salt #adrien salt

[gale-gentlepenguin]

I feel like it would have been more likely for marinette to believe lila's lies, especially since she feels guilty for the whole volpina thing and we know she's very forgiving (if the season 5 finale showed us anything) but maybe that's just me.

Marinette may have felt guilty… but I don’t think she would believe lies because of it. What could be is that Marinette doesn’t call her out initially, make it so that she’s afraid of jumping the gun like before. How bad can a few white lies actually be?

As for the season 5 finale, let me explain.

Because in truth Marinette did try and stop Gabriel from making the wish, she was impacted by that nightmare that akuma Gabriel gave. She didn’t want Gabriel to die by her actions, even though he was awful. She saw what she believed was a dying man driven to madness to try and bring his family back. All combining to make Marinette NOT want to finish the fight and try to make some sort of happy ending for Adrien because she loves that boy. And of course this leads to the f***ed situation.

Does she tell everyone that the villain won? Does she sacrifice the peace finally attained, does she tell Adrien that his father was a terrorist that was willing to let the world burn to revive the mother he loved so much?

Marinette was left in a position where she is forced to accept what happened and sacrifice her mental comfort for the sake of not causing the peace she fought for get torn asunder.

It really sucks, the episode still is FUCKING awful and I still stand that it is the worst finale I’ve seen in this show. But I don’t fault Marinette here because she is in character, I fault the writers and show runners that thought this was a good way to end season 5, have the bad guy gaslight Paris and emotionally blackmail a teenager to handle the repercussions of a selfish wish that he made. I pray season 6 revives him just to throw him in hell so that way we can actually have the villain pay for his crimes instead of getting redeemed.

#miraculous ladybug #ml #ml season 5 salt #ml season 5 #ml critical #I didn’t mean to get so fired up #but damn it #I HATE this finale more then I hate Reflekdoll #and that’s saying something

[friendfromdsmp]

Is it only my impression, or in Miraculous Chat Noir is allowed to critizice Ladybug, but Ladybug is not allowed to criticize Chat Noir?

I completely agree and I think a big part of that comes down to the way the way the writers view Marinette and Adrien respectively; Marinette is supposed to learn a lesson in every episode and as she’s always been the one actively trying to advance the love square before the writers are ready for that, she has to fail often and make a lot of mistakes that are often played for comedy by the writers and the characters around her (before we’re suddenly told we’re now making fun of her trauma which is bad but I digress) whereas Adrien has always been considered by the writers to be ‘perfect’ and ‘he’s not flawed - the world is’, with even the characters in-universe referring to Adrien as ‘perfection personified’ and such

As a consequence, Marinette is often portrayed as in the wrong, even when the universe bends over backwards to make it so, whereas Adrien can’t be criticised and thus becomes a bit of a stagnant character because perfection doesn’t allow room to grow

I think that the LadyNoir dynamic does allow for playful criticism between the pair, granting us Ladybug banter such as “I’m not interested in your poetry, but I do find your foolishness incredibly powerful!”, “Because [the Ladybug Miraculous] requires a sense of responsibility~?”, “I had it under control *smacks Chat’s head* but thanks”, etc etc

But beyond the obviously playful banter that Chat returns in spades constantly, there’s definitely a theme of Chat Noir consistently mucking about in battle, often leading to either himself or someone else getting incapacitated or some other reckless and/or generally unhelpful issue caused, Ladybug getting annoyed at him and Chat giving some retort to poke fun at or pacify her rather than addressing the issue at hand. I mean, the start of Reflekdoll is a perfect example; Ladybug is calling Chat Noir out on pulling a prank in the middle of battle that almost caused her Lucky Charm to fail, with Chat Noir simply joking around and calling her no fun and a stick in the mud. I get that he’s not gonna be the most responsible and focused constantly, neither of them are, they’re fourteen. But there’s a difference between a quick pun while fighting and a prank on your partner while she’s already running on less than five minutes before she transforms back, trying to focus on a very serious problem and the prank being enough to put their entire mission in jeopardy. Play about and joke around all you want, we don’t care if you screw around on the job, but make sure you don’t actively work against said job while you do it!

And then afterwards the pair have a bit of a personality swap as well now that they swap Miraculous, with Adrien as Mister Bug being forced to step up since he now has the Miraculous that, in the nicest way possible, requires hard work and effort to use, whereas Marinette as Lady Noire is now freed from that burden and can use the comparatively simplistic power of just tapping whatever she wants to destroy and watching it happen, the most effort she has to put in with that is simply getting close enough to the desired object in order to touch it without touching anything else between activating her power and using it. So of course Mister Bug, used to slacking off and playing about, is a little overwhelmed in a situation where he’s the strategist rather than the support while Lady Noire, still a little annoyed by their earlier discussion, was happy to actively reverse the roles, taking time to play about and make quips at Mister Bug’s expense. Even making a joke that wearing the Black Cat suit/being in Chat’s role is “a lot lighter on the shoulders”, aka making a jab at Chat never having a sense of responsibility and thus the ‘weight being lifted off her shoulders’ now that she’s taking over his end of the load

The fan reactions to this episode were very telling; a lot of people were saying that Lady Noire was being rude and unhelpful and cruel to Mister Bug, which is hilarious since they actively, verbally clarified multiple times in the episode that both heroes were starting to act like each other now that the roles were reversed; Lady Noire was now “wearing the clown costume” and no longer a stick in the mud like Chat Noir complained about while Mister Bug “doesn’t have a sense of humour” and is no longer playing around and not taking things seriously mid-battle like Ladybug complained about

If they were simply acting like each other, why was Lady Noire considered rude and unhelpful for joking around mid-battle whereas Chat Noir is praised for being funny and keeping Ladybug from burning herself out by providing a supposed outlet to stress? If you complain about one, you have to complain about the other, especially since Lady Noire was still helping; she kept explaining how the Lucky Charm worked even when Mister Bug ignored her to prove he knew how to do this better than an experienced, specifically-selected wielder, she helped him think through the Lucky Charm by placing herself in Mister Bug’s shoes and attempting to adapt to his own thought process rather than hers, she repeatedly defended him from attacks while he was struggling to work out the mirror and yo-yo, etc. For all her sarcasm and salty quips, there was never a point where she left Mister Bug high and dry to fend for himself or sat by watching and flirting leisurely while he did all the work

I know I’ve focused a lot on Reflekdoll here since this is the most blatant example of the issue (being that Ladybug was in the right to criticise Chat for risking the fight over a prank while Mister Bug and some viewers criticising Lady Noire for being unhelpful was not only uncalled for but incorrect) but there are certainly many other examples I can think of in which MariBug is blamed for AdriChat’s actions or AdriChat criticises MariBug without good reason or MariBug is seen as rude or otherwise in the wrong for criticising AdriChat despite having legitimate grievances or not having all the info on a situation in which said info was impossible for her to know and/or actively kept from her. Season 4 is a goldmine for this but I know I always make incredibly long rambling posts so I’ll cut things short here, if the long ramble is what people are after feel free to ask for one

#I’m thinking all the times Chat quit but Ladybug was blamed #How she was blamed for a season-long conflict she didn’t even know was occurring #etc etc #ask #miraculous ladybug #adrien agreste #chat noir #marinette dupain cheng #ml ladybug #ladybug #mlb #miraculous #ladynoir #lady noire #mister bug #Reflekdoll #writing

[clarkgriffon]

one gifset per episode → reflekdoll

#miraculousladybugedit #miraculous ladybug #mledit #ml #mlseries #juleka couffaine #luka couffaine #creations #picking one gifset to do for this episode was SO hard #reflekdoll is a god tier episode #and like i LOVE lady noire and mister bug but oh my god #this scene!! this scene right here! #i'm obsessed with the couffaines okay. the twins and their rockstar absentee father and anarchist mother and cool aunt penny

[miraculouslycool]

Rae's Ranking of Every Miraculous Ladybug Episode (+ Specials) So Far:

Tier IV: Minimal Replay Value

#81: Miraculous World: Shanghai

#82: Guiltrip

#83: Sentibubbler

#84: Wishmaker

#85: Qilin

#86: Catalyst (Heroes' Day - Part 1)

#87: Sole Crusher

#88: Reflekta

#89: The Collector

#90: Prime Queen

#91: Captain Hardrock

#92: Anansi

#93: Crocoduel

#94: Malediktator

#95: Queen Wasp (Queen's Battle - Part 2)

#96: Style Queen (Queen's Battle - Part 1)

#97: Robostus

#98: Sapotis

#99: Reflekdoll

#100: Adoration

#101: Stormy Weather 2

#102: Furious Fu

#103: Mr. Pigeon 72

#104: Heart Hunter (Battle of the Miraculous - Part 1)

#105: Mega Leech

#106: Queen Banana

#miraculous ladybug #rae speaks #rae ranks ml episodes #the biggest surprise is reflekdoll being here #maybe it has aged better a little thanks to passion

[tempests-bards-and-birds]

We're Mister Bug and Lady Noire!

#i've been deliberating on this for ages so i just decided to post it #idk #i am very excited to see these two again in season 5 #the scraps that they threw us in the trailer were not enough to sate my hunger for misternoire #miraculous #ml #mlb #miraculous ladybug #miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir #ml gif #ml gifs #mledit #ml edit #gifset #lady noire #mister bug #misternoire #ladynoir #ml reflekdoll #ml s5 #ml season 5 #ml spoilers #ml s5 spoilers #ml season 5 spoilers

[bugoutreviewgirlie]

watching Party Crasher while on laughing gas at the dentist was an experience. It was already dangerous enough giving me control of the TV. I don't know what was going through the dental assistant's head watching me select a 200-video playlist of this kids' cartoon. Don't wanna what she was thinking when I was absolutely CACKLING watching Party Crasher.

I mean, it's MARINO!!! Marino dancing to YMCA with the other adults 😭 Every. Single. Male. Character. Going to Adrien's party!! Being reminded Party Crasher didn't make the top 10 most slay akumas despite having a dedicated propaganda campaign (*wheezes*) Party Crasher being shocked, confused, freaking FLABBERGASTED by King Monkey's randomness and calling it nonsense 😆

VIPERION DOING ONE-ARMED PUSHUPS AND LADYBUG WALKING ON HER HANDSNDFKHF S XK NINO I WAS CRYING OKAY 😭😭😭

#ya girl was clapping and laughing at the same time 😭 #the dentists: 👁👄👁 #me on laughing gas: 🤣🤣🤣🤣 #I also got through Ladybug and Reflekdoll #twas a struggle not to fangirl over Lady Noire #miraculous ladybug #party crasher #ml s3

[flightfoot]

Soooo is Miraculous season 5′s thing gonna be giving AMAZING follow-ups to controversial season 3 episodes?

#ml spoilers #ml determination #ml passion #I mean seriously #Puppeteer 2 was pretty controversial in the fandom when it aired #And a lot of people outright hated Reflekdoll #But Determination was a fantastic follow-up to Puppeteer 2 #And Passion demonstrated just how much Adrien and Marinette have changed in the past two seasons

[mariproducer]

Can you air the kwami swap episode soon I just want to see Marinette with the cat again 😭

#ml spoilers #ml s5 spoilers #reflekdoll my detested ill be happy to never watch you again just bc u had kwami swap shenanigans