Hey, I haven’t read Little Women or any of the books related, the only adaptation I have seen is Greta Gerwig’s and I’ve recently rewatched it. And I have some thoughts are mostly ramblings and need to express to someone so I hope you don’t mind me popping in here. I don’t really know where people got that Jo was In love with Laurie? She loved him as a friend but romantically? I never got that really. And how I took that scene with Jo and Marmee was Jo admitting she was lonely and if Laurie asked her to marry him again she would say yes. That’s kinda unfair to herself and him when you think about it, marrying someone just because you’re lonely? Not because you are truly in love with him? How would you both be happy together? I’ve seen some discussion around them and I don’t really like people putting in the tropes “oh lovers who went wrong or right person wrong time” to Jo and Laurie. Because they weren’t lovers, they were friends. And I don’t understand where people get Jo being the “right” person for Laurie. I wish we could have gotten more of Jo and Friedrich. They were cute I think. And I wish we could have gotten more with Amy and Laurie. I think this summer I’m gonna find the books and read them. Anyways, there’s my thoughts and hope you are having a good day.❤️
hi anon! never be afraid to come into my inbox and ramble about little women bc talking about it is literally my fav thing.
especially when ur thoughts are so spot on, and i'm honestly so surprised and pleased u got this from greta's version. bc a lot of people think she made laurie and jo be that "right person wrong time" couple when they're not like that at all, in any adaptation, even greta's.
ur totally right, jo never loved laurie romantically. like, ever. and it's made obvious multiple times. ("i can't love you as you want me to...it would be a lie to say i do when i don't," in the proposal scene.) and it's especially made clear in the attic scene, with jo admitting she's just so lonely. but if you can't get it from:
marmee: do you love [laurie]?
jo: if he asked me again, i think i would say yes. do you think he'll ask me again?
marmee: but do you love him?
jo: i care more to be loved. i want to be loved.
marmee: that is not the same as loving.
jo: i know.
like ur honestly dumb i'm sorry? or don't know how to read media at all. or ur just being willingly obtuse idk.
and i would go even further. i firmly believe that laurie never loved jo that way, either. that boy was lonely before he met the march family. maybe even lonelier than jo was after beth died. he was an orphan, lived with his tutor and his grandfather (who was kind of cold to laurie before he met the marches, as well.) he had no friends. jo was the first girl he loved at all, in any way. of course he thought he was in love with jo. he didn't know any other love except the love had for her. and laurie was a romantic, as well. of course he thought the two of them were meant to be.
but they weren't, ever, and that's made so clear from their conversation in the attic.
laurie: jo, i have always loved you, but the love i feel for amy, it's different. and i think you were right about this, i think we would've killed each other...i think it was meant this way.
like...do jolauries think laurie is lying to jo? what reason would he have to do that? it doesn't make any sense.
and jo looks so stunned (this is admittedly clearer in the book than it is in greta's version) because it's amy. not because she's jealous, or expected laurie to still love her, but because her best friend just came home married to her little sister. that would stun anyone. and she looks sad, again, because she's so lonely, and she basically looks at the rest of her family coupled up and in love (amy and laurie, meg and john, marmee and her father) and she aches, because she doesn't have that.
i really think greta's only mistake was including that stupid letter to laurie. it didn't make sense and wasn't true to jo's character at all.
and finally, once again, laurie doesn't love jo like that. not back then, and certainly not now. i mean, the journey from "i think you will marry, jo. i think you'll find someone, and love them, and live and die from them, because that's your way. and i'll watch," to "i never thought i'd prepare a carriage to help jo march chase a man, but i like it!" he's delighted in that scene, just like everyone else. bc the jo he saw with friedrich was so different that the jo that was around him. he can tell the difference because he knows the difference now, because that boy is so desperately in love with amy it's not funny.
and that's another thing jolauries disregard: laurie's love for amy. because he does love her. and amy loves him, and understands him in a way that jo never did. and laurie wants to be better for amy. because, let's face it, that boy was a mess when amy found him in europe. (and this is one other thing the movie leaves out: laurie realizes in the book that jo was right shortly after he leaves concord - the two of them would've never worked. and by the time he meets up with amy again, he isn't still mourning his relationship with jo, he's just insurmountably lonely again, just like he was before, and he doesn't see an end to it.) he heals bc he falls in love with amy. he wants to be worthy of her, because he admires her and respects her. there's a great first draft of the script which is floating around on the internet which includes this letter from laurie to amy:
Dear Amy,
I have gone to make something of myself, so you might not be ashamed to call me your friend.
like...he just got his heart broken by her. but he doesn't get angry at her, like he got angry at jo, because he loves amy. and he wants to be around her and is desperate to have her in his life, even if it's just as a friend.
and, just to give more evidence that amy is the first and only person he's in love with (and because i just love it a lot), here's the original draft of their kiss scene:
laurie: i love you. amy, i love you.
amy: you do?
laurie: more than anything or anyone in this world. you are first in everything. you do not have to accept me, but i love you, amy march.
[amy cries even harder. he kisses her.]
amy: i love you, laurie
laurie: i love you, amy march.
laurie literally has gently but ardently resigned himself to loving amy even if she doesn't love him back, which is such a change from when jo rejected him.
and ur totally right, jo and friedrich are so cute together (even though louis garrel is unfortunately an asshole). and more importantly, friedrich understands jo in a way laurie never did, and lover her for who she is instead of who he wants her to be. and come on, when friedrich says, "my hands are empty," and jo takes his hands in hers and says, "they're not empty," and then he kisses her in the rain. like that is peak romance idk what anyone says.
anyways. tl;dr jo never loved laurie, laurie never loved jo, laurie is in love with amy, jo is in love with friedrich.
anon, feel free to come into my inbox anytime! and let me know how u like the book! i think if u have these opinions, u will like it a lot :)
was rewatching little women (2019) yesterday and i noticed something interesting:
now i personally think that while byler parallels amylaurie perfectly, jolaurie and miIeven's parallels aren't as significant but this one line in laurie's confession to jo stood out for me:
"why does everyone expect it, then? why does your family and my grandpa expect it? why are you saying this? say yes. let's be happy together, jo!"
something something "mike is trying to be normal" and trying to do things people expect of him...
something something lucas and nancy teasing him about el
something something "i mean what did you think, really? that we were never gonna get girlfriends?"
what i'm saying is, the duffer brothers are geniuses for acknowledging the little women references because there's so much to decode too and gives me a newer perspective into the original works as well.
Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: Little Women (2019 Movie - Gerwig)
Rating: Explicit
Summary:
When, one warm summer morning, Jo March overhears that a Mrs. Spittleforth is pregnant with her husband off fighting for the Union Army, she is left with a myriad of questions. One being, how indeed did a wife become pregnant without a husband? There is no one she can think to put the question to beside her best friend, Teddy, leading to an afternoon of embarrassed stammering and healthy exploration.
me when they're doomed from the beginning... me when the ending is prophesized and it's sad... me when i know the ending at the start but read it anyway
…you like jo and laurie together i’m restraining myself from typing out a WHOLE ass essay rn
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first, for the record, i do want to state/preface that i have read the book!! multiple times !! and that i adore amy march sm and i stand w an independent jo march BUT
when she marries friedrich bhaer??? like okay, if she's going to marry ,,,, Laurie and Jo would have been wonderful together!! i can go into heavy detail!!! but yeah, yes, i do love them together very much, i think they definitely could've had a wonderful partnership and marriage and i have a soft spot in my feeble heart for them always <3
i feel like. when it comes to stories and various media adaptations. some people are so obtuse and their reluctance to accept multiple interpretations of fiction especially those that are ambiguous by design. feels so childish and stupid
im just saying like. anyone who goes ‘jo x laurie shippers are so stupid for liking them didnt you know the writer didnt want them to be together?’ only to say ‘jo and freidrich are soooo cute!!!!’ are deluded in a way no one can ever save
muse : alfie cho ( 21, he/him ) psych major and boxer
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he's not the type to get drunk, really — he saves that for the other people in his year, and the friends he so often plays designated driver to — but the night had passed by in such a blur that's led alfie here, somehow: his face is slapped with the late night cool, though it's the presence of the other that somehow makes him both sober and more intoxicated, all at the same time. "listen to me ——" he says, leaning in close. "i love you, yeah ?" the words spill from him far faster than he could ever stop, but at this point he wonders if he actually wants to be; years of standing back, being the best friend, and it all comes down to this. "i love you. been in love with you since i've known you. and i had to tell you now, ‘cause otherwise ——” he swallows thickly; squeezes his eyes shut to keep from letting his already dazed mind prevail. “otherwise i’ll go crazy."
Lowkey an extension to the comment I made in this post:
After seeing the clip for myself & looking at Finn’s million expressions? Its actually STILL giving Little Women to me, but another convo between JoLaurie. It’s giving
Like. I could be extremely wrong but also...Mike is giving this exact "I'm scared to say this but happy but also please let's stay friends" energy almost to a tee to ME lmao
I don't know if you have seen these comments on social media, but I have noticed a large part of people hate AmyLaurie even if they think of Jo is aro/ace or lesbian. They just hate the ship. When I read the book after the movie, I thought it was very well developed.
I've seen it. I think most of it comes from the idea that Laurie and Amy's marriage is a direct consequence of Jo's rejection. I hear people talk about them in a simplistic and superficial manner. "Laurie loves Jo but she says no, so he goes to her sister," or "Amy married her sister's ex." Cinema Therapy referred to it as Laurie getting over Jo by marrying Amy! This really hurts the relationship because it makes Amy a rebound. I just saw this post (x) that perfectly contrasts the audience vs the actual book. In the book, Laurie has headaches over his feelings. He thinks he has to remain loyal to his "love" for Jo but can't stop thinking about Amy.
And the hate for Amy alone makes people furious because she got a happy ending. Laurie's money might not have been important for the Marches, but it certainly is for some readers/viewers.
And then adaptations have never really made an honest effort to promote the couple. I know the story is not a romance, but a coming-of-age. But the character's growth led them to a place where they can build a healthy relationship.
Neither Florence nor Timothee made one intelligent comment about them. Flo justified the relationship by saying Amy had always loved him, which doesn't really mean anything, and then focused only on Amy's ambitions. And Timothee literally said Laurie lost because he didn't marry Jo and he always talked about JoLaurie 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 (beware for a new wave of those stupid comments during Dune 2 promo). In general, the promo for that movie ignored AmyLaurie. Where were the photoshoots, the interviews?! And the movie itself doesn't care about the love story and makes it all about the economic proposition speech 🙄🙄🙄. If Greta didn't care about the romance, then why did she put so much emphasis on it?
Other adaptations have given them truly beautiful moments, but overall they fall short. The 2017 series made a video about JoFritz, but I don't think Kathryn Newton (Amy) did any press. It does have the best proposal scene, though 🥰🥰🥰🥰. And at the very least, Laurie does not publicly humiliate her and then just kiss her. And it shows that they were friends since they were children.
The 1994 film had the best shot because the actors were a real couple. But there's something about Samantha Mathis' acting that just doesn't work. Plus they added the infamous line "I always wanted to be part of the March family."
Most adaptations sideline that story or completely omit any scene in Europe. So you see Laurie proposing to Jo and in the next scene, he comes back married to Amy. Make it make sense. Because Europe is also the part where Laurie grows up so that also is gone. I keep hearing the 1970 BBC series does a good job, but it is the most difficult to find.
So, part of it is a lack of reading comprehension, plus oversimplification, and unsatisfactory adaptations. It's all part of the problem.
My thoughts on Jo x Laurie over the years have gone from "they deserved to be together who is this old man she marries what is this I am suing" to "well I guess the people they ended up marrying aren't bad" to "I guess I do ship Laurie & Amy and Jo & Friedrich but Jo & Laurie would've still been good" to "I don't ship them but sometimes I'll watch the edits because they're good" to "they were def platonic soulmates even if nothing else" to "actually they weren't even platonic soulmates just partners in crime" to "I don't think I enjoy the JoLaurie edits anymore, I'll unsave them" to "hey I'm gonna make a Laurie x Amy edit" to "the JoLaurie shippers need to stop" to "I will go down fighting for Jodrich and if I see any JoLaurie content on my dash I will throw my phone across the room"
the thing is that i do genuinely and sincerely believe that kit herondale has theodore laurence syndrome in the sense that he wants to insert himself into the blackthorn family so bad he would have thrown himself at whichever one he thought he had the best chance with. sorry for saying that about laurie i know there’s nuance i’m just joking around. like luckily for kit it worked out with ty (well) but if things had been different he would have been out there dancing with dru at balls and proposing to livvy at jules’s wedding etc. well actually in many ways ty is his jo but i won’t really delve into that because i am NOT a jolaurie supporter (i think jo march is a lesbian). but in many ways the scene at lake lynn is laurie’s proposal to jo. i’m just saying things. me when i’m having my thinking about my character time before bed!!