#bootstrap paradox

[spacewives-in-spacetime]

we talk about the doctor naming things - bootstrap paradox and all - but donna naming a fundamental force that enables us to survive "mavity" is just fucking golden

#mavity #wild blue yonder spoilers #wild blue yonder #doctor who #donna noble #catherine tate #the doctor #fourteenth doctor #david tennant #doctor who spoilers #dr who spoilers #dr who #dw #dw spoilers #bootstrap paradox

[thefiresofpompeii]

i believe that bootstrap paradoxes / stable time loops are inherently religious. if something exists as an effect without cause, if something has been there because it has always been there, if any surrounding events would shift around it to accomodate its always-being-there, if something sprung into existence out of the void because it always had to have sprung into existence, if something exists for no reason and with no apparent explanation once you begin to unravel the chain of events that supposedly lead to its arrival, then that something can be understood as none other than the work of God. God the writer; God that inserts a self-balancing perpetual motion engine into the narrative to resolve a plot hole. a bridge strung over the chasm of impossibility. it came to be because God-the-author decreed it so. because without it the story would grind to a halt, and that's the sound of the universe collapsing

nobody tell the doctor. they'd never get over it.

#spreading my This Science Fiction Show Is Spiritual Actually agenda far and wide #s1 bad wolf arc is a shining example of this methinks. Rose jumpstarted that paradox because for a few minutes *she* became God #see also: clara in listen #bootstrap paradox #time fuckery #time travel #doctor who meta #doctor who #dw #jamie catches up #jamie.txt #time loop #rose tyler #bad wolf #clara oswald #eleventh doctor #twelfth doctor #ninth doctor #the narrative #timefuckery

[jade278]

Okay so doctor who theory

Bare with me. Theres the 12th doctor rant about a time traveller going back in time to meet Beethoven and finding out he doesnt exist snd then becomes Beethoven. And hes holding up this bust

And with the doctor being a time traveller and all, isnt it kinda weird that the 8th doctor looks pretty similar to beethoven?

just a thought

#jade278 #doctor who #dr who #doct #who #doctor who theory #12th doctor #8th doctor #bootstrap paradox

[starryoak]

I’ve seen people do “Akari is Dawn”, I’ve seen people do “Akari is not Dawn”, I’ve seen people do “Rei is Lucas” and “Rei is not Lucas”, but you know what I headcanon and really want to see someone do? “Akari is Lucas”

As in, Lucas transitioned at some point between DPPT and being summoned into Hisui; she named herself after a legendary researcher who helped pioneer Sinnoh’s first Pokédex, before there even was a Sinnoh… and so, to her horror, when she is summoned into the past she discovers. Fuck. She’s the Akari she named herself after!

We know medical science in the Pokémon world means transitioning is easy, so it’s entirely plausible! That’s why I’d draw my Akari with Lucas’s cap instead of her traditional headband.

#pokemon #pokemon akari #akari pokemon #dawn pokemon #pokemon dawn #lucas pokemon #pokemon lucas #pokemon dppt #pokemon legends arceus #pla #headcanons #pokemon headcanons #bootstrap paradox #My posts

[amalgamorph]

It's finally done!!!!!

The first chapter of Bootstrap Paradox is now up!

Tagging so they can see this: @mythicalmagical-monkeyman, @anxiescape, @luciddaydreamingworlds

#bootstrap paradox au #bootstrap paradox #lmk fanfic #sun wukong #lmk mk #lmk mei #lmk pigsy #lmk tang #lmk sandy #lmk nezha #lego monkie kid fanfic

[doctorkinktraveller]

[Tardis]

(The Doctor is giving us, the viewers, a lecture.)

DOCTOR: So there's this man. He has a time machine. Up and down history he goes, zip zip zip zip zip, getting into scrapes.

(He goes up to the gallery.)

DOCTOR: Another thing he has is a passion for the works of Ludwig van Beethoven.

(Holds up a vinyl LP of Beethoven's 5th.)

DOCTOR: And one day he thinks, what's the point of having a time machine if you don't get to meet your heroes? So off he goes to 18th century Germany. But he can't find Beethoven anywhere. No one's heard of him, not even his family have any idea who the time traveller is talking about.

(He swaps the LP for a plaster bust of Ludwig and walks down the stairs.)

DOCTOR: Beethoven literally doesn't exist. This didn't happen, by the way. I've met Beethoven. Nice chap. Very intense. Loved an arm-wrestle. No, this is called the Bootstrap Paradox. Google it. The time traveller panics.

(The bust is put down on a pile of sheet music.)

DOCTOR: He can't bear the thought of a world without the music of Beethoven. Luckily he'd brought all of his Beethoven sheet music for Ludwig to sign. So he copies out all the concertos, and the symphonies and he gets them published. He becomes Beethoven. And history continues with barely a feather ruffled. But my question is this. Who put those notes and phrases together? Who really composed Beethoven's Fifth?

(The Doctor has finished plugging in his electric guitar and plays - da da da dah! da da da dah! And now, back to our drama.)

@doctorwho @doctorwho247

#new doctor who #tardis #peter capaldi #twelfth doctor #before the flood #ludwig van beethoven #bootstrap paradox #SoundCloud

[crackedegotheories]

Also, with Mark pointing out how so many things in Space don’t have a clear beginning or end, I suggest those curious look into the Bootstrap Paradox.

Wikipedia’s definition is kind of dense, but it’s the hypothetical idea of an event causing a second event that, in turn, causes the existence of the first event. (Read “object” or “idea” or “person” or whatever in place of event.) Like, say, Old Man Mark throwing sand into the Captain’s eyes, which gives them the idea to throw sand into Mark’s eyes, which gives him the idea to throw sand into the Captain’s eyes when he’s an old man, etc., etc.

#markiplier #iswm spoilers #in space with markiplier #bootstrap paradox

[c-schroed]

Podcasts I Adore - SPINES

This week, I finished the last Episode of the "Mirrors" podcast by ZoomDoom Stories. Which means that I have now heard all of their marvellous productions. And now I feel this need to tell everyone what great stuff they make! Meaning that I'll write some reviews for all the three podcasts they produced and post them on iTunes et al., but before I post them there, I might as well leave the reviews here. So, tune in for some rambling about three audio fiction productions that range from "very good but sadly incomplete" to "so very fricking close to perfection that I really can't call it anything but DARN PERFECT". We'll start with the DARN PERFECT one:

"Listen again: Grove. Mosaic. Trumpet. Listen, and remember. Because those three words, those are the most important words in the world. This is SPINES."

"SPINES" is a fictional audio drama, which, like all productions of ZoomDoom Stories, is written by Jamie Killen, and congenially so. It is told in the form of podcasts made by its protagonist, a young woman who named herself Wren. At the beginning of the story, Wren seeks to find out what happened in a bloody ritual that she barely survived, and which left her without any memories of her past life, but with supernatural powers that she slowly has to explore.

Think "X-Men" meets "Supernatural", with a nice dash of Lovecraftian atmosphere and some sweet bits of Cronenberg-esque body horror. "SPINES" is a truly unique experience, and it clearly is one of the best stories I ever heard. What I love most about it is that it perfectly understands and respects the strengths and limitations of the medium it chose to be told in: Podcasts enable a very intimate way of storytelling, and the very talented voice actor playing Wren just perfectly allowed me to quickly grow attached to her and everyone around her. Wren has lovely quirks like naming every informant that reaches out to her after characters of anime shows she just watched, she has to deal with terrible situations and huge losses, and she is granted one of the most beautiful love stories I have ever heard.

And being told in the form of a podcast really helps the story to flesh out Wren. She comments the stories she tells in clear and unfiltered language and often directly addresses her audience. We, the listeners, also know exactly who this audience is. Besides people that are similarly gifted as Wren, most of the episodes are addressed to Zachary, a man she quickly saw during the ritual that started everything, and whom she since then feels weirdly attracted to.

Of course, telling a story in the form of a podcast also entails some limitations, and "SPINES" respects and works with these limitations better than any other audio fiction I have heard so far. The show's author Jamie Killen is very aware how information is told when broadcast into the public, which makes "SPINES" an all the more fascinating listening experience. For instance, huge changes in the status quo are often announced right at the beginning of an episode, because when something important happens that has to be told immediately, than why wait until it slowly unfolds in the narrative? A broadcast is not necessarily about suspense; it sometimes is much more about giving the important info right away, and then adding all the details. Furthermore, Wren is very careful with the information she shares, and often leaves out details that might help her enemies too much. Details like these make "SPINES" very special; it is one of the most thought-out and self-aware productions I know.

The second best thing that I love about "SPINES" is how each of its three seasons has its very own feel and atmosphere. Season one feels a lot like an urban fantasy version of "Supernatural", with Wren, on her quest for the truth about the ritual, encountering urban legends and terrible secrets scattered everywhere across the city she lives in. Season two, on the other hand, involves a lot of changes, and feels much more like a late-80s action show, with Wren being sent to different places from week to week; hopefully helping the people there with whatever supernatural catastrophe is going on, very much like a MacGyver or an A-Team. But with superpowers, and with more ghastly antagonists. Season three finally is characterized much more by urgency and emergency, with Wren and her allies always being forced to react to an enemy that they can never allow themselves to underestimate.

What also impresses me greatly is that every season ends with a perfect equilibrium of frustration and hope. There's always some kind of terrible catastrophe, but this terror is balanced out with something equally beautiful, making Wren never the triumphant heroine she might deserve to be, but giving her just enough hope to go on. I admit it; sometimes this kind of ending is too close to home for me, sometimes I'd just direly want Wren to win, and live happily ever after, period. But on the other hand, this masterful balance is what will always keep this story in the back of my mind, and close to my heart.

One final thing I want to mention, and I'll make it quick this time: Besides being a nail-biting story about fascinating superpowers and secret societies that worked among us for centuries already (which are depicted in the most realistic way I have ever seen!), "SPINES" is also a perfectly wholesome love story. I know I already mentioned this some paragraphs before, but I really can't stress enough HOW DARN WHOLESOME this love story is!

So. "SPINES" is the perfect combination of urban fantasy, horror, and romance. It has a perfectly fleshed-out narrator, played by an incredibly talented voice actor, and it masterfully uses the possibilities of its medium. To me, "SPINES" is close to perfection, and its very few flaws should stop no-one from giving it a try. As long as one likes horror, of course. The show can get quite drastic, from time to time.

10 out of 10 points. Sheer perfection. And a lifelong love for Wren and Shan and Winry. And Akira, and Bilal (because who would not want the literal perfect moment as a friend?). And all the others.

Besides my general opinion about the show, I'd also like to go into detail regarding three episodes that I find especially noteworthy. All of them are part of Season 3, so please be aware of minor spoilers.

Season 3, Episode 6 (Episode 22 overall): The Trade

This is my favourite episode. It marks the second time that the narrator of an episode changes to Shan, whom I adore at least as much as Wren, and it might have one of the most dramatic beginnings of all episodes. But what really makes this episode stand out is how well-thought its time-travel plot is. It makes perfect sense, and it involves my favourite temporal paradox, the bootstrap paradox (I you don't know it, go look it up; it's so much cooler than some poor dead grandpa). Plus we get to know a supernatural brothel in Vienna. Which I didn't even know I desperately wanted to hear about, until I heard about it. But now I need a spin-off about Ilsa and her Gifted courtesans. :D

Season 3, Episodes 2 & 3 (Episodes 18 & 19 overall): Iris, Part 1 & 2

There's much about this two-part episode that I really love, be it that it gives satisfying answers that I wanted to hear for a long, long time, be it that we're given a very credible reason for this story being split into two parts (once more, "SPINES" shows how perfectly well it is aware of its podcast medium). So I really, really wanted to like these episodes. But still, they turn out as some episodes that I really have trouble with. This might maybe due to me being not a native English speaker, but I have terrible problems with understanding the narrator of these episodes. So if you, like me, have problems with listening comprehension during this episode, please be reminded that there are transcripts of each episode. Although they currently can only be reached via archive.org's ever-so-useful Wayback Machine.

2019 New Year's Special:

This is a crossover with "Mirrors", another marvellous audio drama made by ZoomDoom Stories. And because I listened to this right after finishing the final episode of "SPINES", I did not know that it contains some major spoilers for at least the first season of "Mirrors". Furthermore, the events at the end of the episode play an important role in the third season of "Mirrors", but that's not that important in my opinion. But should you not know "Mirrors" by now and maybe want to listen to it later (which, again in my humble opinion, YOU DEFINITELY SHOULD!), then maybe listen to this New Year's Special after finishing "Mirrors" season one.

The episode itself was a bit of a disappointment for me, if I'm honest. Both "SPINES" (in at least one episode; i. e. episode 22: "The Trade") and "Mirrors" usually deal perfectly with all matters related to time-travel and temporal paradoxes; to me they really are a paragon of how to tell stories that involve different interacting timelines. So the way that time-travel is treated here is just disappointing to me. Don't get me wrong, please. It still is a perfectly entertaining episode. It's lovely to hear more from Wren and Shan, and it is hilarious to hear about the events in "Mirrors" from their perspective. But as to the time-travel aspect, well, I'm spoilt by now. I'm used to it being told so much better than here, with much less paradox narration. So this special might be the biggest flaw in both series. I mean, I'd still give it 7 out of 10 points. So that says more about how fabulous the rest of "SPINES" and "Mirrors" is.

#SPINES #SPINES podcast #Mirrors podcast #ZoomDoom Stories #Jamie Killen #audio fiction #podcast #podcast review #horror #science fiction #urban fantasy #bootstrap paradox #bootstrap paradox is the best paradox #c-schroed has an opinion #schroed's thoughts

[enlighten3d]

holy shit, orv is the biggest fucking bootstrap paradox ever.

#orv #omniscient reader #omniscient readers viewpoint #omniscient reader novel #orv epilogue #bootstrap paradox #orv ch533 #orv chapter 533 #orv novel #orv spoilers #orv epilogue spoilers #omniscient reader spoilers #'ON CH533 AND IT PUNCHED ME RIGHT IN THE FEELS I SWEAR'

[mardo-is-thinking-too-much]

Grandfather Paradox is just Bootstrap Paradox in reverse

#funny #time #time paradox #grandfather paradox #bootstrap paradox

[kawa-kir]

Silly doodles late at night.

Paradoxes come in a few flavours, here is an example of the bootstrap paradox (if i remember it right, which probably i dont)

#silly #comic strip #furry art #scalie #causal paradox #ontological paradox #bootstrap paradox

[talefoundryshow]

Just how many ways of messing with the space-time continuum are there? We'd have to use a time machine ourselves to detail them all, but we can name a few! Our video on time travel paradoxes is up now on our Nebula channel.

#tale foundry #back to the future #grandfather paradox #time travel #bootstrap paradox #paradox of free will #free will paradox #writing time travel #wibbly wobbly timey wimey #writing inspiration #writing #writing community #writeblr #writers of tumblr #writers on tumblr #paradox #paradoxes #paradoxical

[triangle-of-death]

Time travel and the bootstrap paradox

#art #artists on tumblr #future #glitch #time travel #bootstrap paradox

[luluslovelylife]

Do you think Donna will keep the Tardis as a yard decoration when 14 eventually regens (which means he dies, maybe? supposedly?) or is The Doctor just addicted to making bootstrap paradoxes?

#doctor who #bootstrap paradox

[amalgamorph]

bootstrap paradox fic always makes me think fr But honestly something I'm looking forward to is if/when MK meets Macaque bc by god is that going to be interesting especially with how different past macaque is from future macaque

Oh I have ideas for when Macaque shows up, don't you worry >:3

#ask #bootstrap paradox #bootstrap paradox au

[sundry-whovengerslocked]

bootstrap paradox my beloved

#honestly just... #an underrated sci-fi trope #I'm sure a lot of people don't understand it #and it can feel unsatisfying with a lack of answers #but I just love it so much #who really composed beethoven's fifth? #bootstrap paradox #I couldn't find the Isaac Newton gravity gif so have another don't blink one #that moment when #ouroboros #o.b. #said “a snake biting it's own tail” #I lost it #the tie-in to his name #not to mention the implications of Jörmungandr #and how Loki must have kept affecting the branches with all his time slipping #just #mmm. #fave #original post