#biphobia in media

[dragynkeep]

Miles fucking Luna just admitted on Cameo bumbleby was made canon soley because of its popularity with shippers and "would have toned down the Black Sun moments" had they known beforehand! Ais, please bully this beta looking crackhead on Twitter for me because I don't have an account and I refuse to get one

i watched the video & 1. why does he look like that & 2. why is he so goddamn close to the camera. back tf up on this cameo you've owed someone for ages, maybe try & be a little professional & not look like you're recording this on your smoke break.

it's also interesting he doesn't mention why he had to turn cameo off for a bit when some of the last cameos he had included misusing the word genocide over a fictional character & then pimping out his own self insert as "bisexual" & having to walk it back when people, desperate for queer mlm representation in this homophobic ass show, were wondering if it was actually going to be canon when. nah. he just said it for money :))

"you asked if there was any behind the scenes info for bumblby, which is hard cause i don't think there's much to talk about" for a ship you've apparently had in the works for 10 years? since the beginning? kept so under wraps? whatever, miles.

ohhh my god miles bringing up that blake is the bisexual queen & "everyone wants to date her" as if he wasn't disgustingly biphobic & joked about getting off to women kissing in front of him as well as asking if bisexual women were "truly bisexual" or just "sipped from the fur cup" with his best friend who sexually harasses women.

it's also weird that this essentially confirms the reason she has the "blake harem" is because she's bisexual, as well as being "cute & pretty." which. fall into a hole, luna, you ugly fuck.

also positing sun & blake on their faunus relationship as the much smaller one while being deluded there was anything to yang & blake over the "much longer relationship" besides a shit ton of shared trauma & no in depth discussions, no romantic connection, nothing until the last two volumes where they were like "welp, better get this yuri train on the road" & invented moments for them out of nowhere that were out of character & did a disservice to their actual characters.

"they're finally in a place where they can admit their feelings to one another" but why? nothing has changed between them, they've actively ignored or pushed aside the so called "baggage & drama" that miles described them going through & in this volume they were essentially made by the environment to confess their feelings, not through any genuine connection. there was no reason that this confession couldn't have happened in all the life threatening situations last volume & i would've been spared yang fetishizing blake's racial features.

overall: this cameo just confirms the worst of what we knew about crwby in regards to sun / blake / yang. whatever was popular was going to be canon, they didn't care or understand their characters motivations & there is so much biphobia in their treatment of their main bisexual character in regards to both her love life & the confirmation of it only coming in a wlw relationship, downplaying all sides of her attraction.

they could've had blake be confirmed bisexual from day one. they could've done more with blake & yang in the early volumes instead of borderline pimping her out to the cast to have a harem because of said bisexuality & her "cuteness" when in what way does that fit the reserved & cautious blake we know?

this is five minutes of my time i'll never get back & i wish miles a very happy get [redacted] because your shitty voice sounds like razor blades in my ear, you unwashed biphobic fuck.

#rwby #rwde #anti miles luna #sun wukong #yang xiao long #blake belladonna #blacksun #anti bumblby #bumblby critical #biphobia in media #ais.txt #answered #q

[colourfulgreyscales]

On Characters' Sexualities; Representation and Phobias.  The Case of Queer Representation in Strange Way of Life (and other films)

I was hesitant to do this essay for a long time.

On one level, we live in a very polarized world and my essay is going to be diplomatic.  Unfortunately, in polarized times like this, this means that I am going to be perceived as siding with the opposite side of your position rather than analyzing the whole thing from a neutral angle.

It also has to do with a queer (and the first draft seems to present them as gay.  Let's see if that changes as the story evolves, which will be impacted by now seeing the movie and interpretations) fanfiction where I pair Silva with another cowboy I have interpreted as queer through the years (Slow West's Silas Selleck.  More on him later).

OK, As you probably saw from the second paragraph, you probably know where I am headed with this.  There was one recent Tumblr entry that was posted as I was starting to write that nailed the same thesis of here.  Like the author, I do think Almodovar left the specifics of Silva and Jake's queer sexualities purposefully ambiguous and open to interpretation.  He never defined Strange Way of Life as a gay Western but a queer Western, and I do think that it is equally valid interpreting Jake and Silva as either gay or bisexual.

That unless one believes people can only be straight or gay and sexuality is that clear cut.

(I may argue that Almodovar has left some ambiguity in the nature of the queerness of some characters all along his, with many of his characters left free to identify as bisexual.  This is nothing new for him)

I also get that the gay fans of Pedro want a representation with his character that they hadn't been able to have before.  My bisexual bias make me think of Oberyn as possible queer representation, but I am not a gay man.   So I get they finally getting Pedro to have a character that represents them.   And based on historical facts, it is true that many gay men did get married to women and have children, and some had affairs with women to repress their desire for people of the same gender.  In fact, this is an argument I have made for Slow West's Silas Selleck, a character I read as gay. (*SPOILER ALERT*) I have had counterargued that Silas is "straight" because it was implied that he married Rose at the end and adopted the Swedish Children.  I made an analysis of it being a convenience arrangement and possibly the adoption of Children making Silas not obligated to sleep with Rose.  A similar argument could be said about Silva (except with him having a son).

However...  My problem is that some of these gay people asking for gay representation, use biphobic language.  Let me get out of the way that I am not talking about people saying it is not biphobic to interpret Silva as gay (and just leave it at that).  I also get the not liking Silva with a female character if can't relate to that.  BUT saying that interpreting Silva as bisexual "cheapens" the queerness of his (and for that matter, Jake's) characters or "corrupts" their story, ignores bisexual men as queer people simply because bisexual men can also desire women.  It's as if the possibility of desire women taints them and negates their queerness.    As a bisexual woman, I have gone through that crap from Lesbians for years.

(There is also the issue of gay people not believing that bisexual men exist, but to be fair, I have not seen Silva's sexuality critiqued from this angle.  It would be also a case of bi erasure if it is).

GENERAL BI MEN REPRESENTATION

There is another fact.  This is not a matter of "homophobic heterosexual women against gay representation."  Let's face it, there is a lot less bisexual male representation than gay men representation in media.  Only now we have more with Alex Claremont-Diaz in Red White and Royal Blue and Nick Nelson in Heartstopper.  They are more unambiguous and the representation comes with more casual mentions of being bi (either by the characters or the narrative).  But even with these characters, I have seen tjings like "Nick Nelson was just an adolescent, too young to figure out his sexuality.  He has not shown interest in women during the story." 

As points of reference: We have Brokeback Mountain.  There is strong evidence (even stronger as SWOL) that both Ennis and Jack could very well be bisexual.  You could argue that in their time they were married to women because they should, but even in the movie (I haven't read the book) they look very much attracted to their wives and Ennis to the girlfriend he had after his wife.  Counterarguments have included Ennis preference for anal sex in the book (plenty of heterosexuals and bisexuals like anal) and the book written by a woman.  Call me by Your Name has this same dilemma of men showing attraction to women in the movie (again, I haven't had the chance to get the book).  Their relations with women are more on screen and there has been an argument that they were gay and just experimenting, particularly Elio.  And that's valid.  But I also wonder if referring to these characters as bi, gay people feel they are being "corrupted" and "straightwashed" and "cheapened."  I know some say that it's not valid because Call Me By Your Name was written by a straight(-identified?) man anyway.

In conclusion: the interpretation of Silva and Jake as any sexuality other than straight is pretty much valid.  That being said, it is also true that there are not as much bi male representation as gay representation, and there is no need to incur in biphobic language when you want to make the (again valid) point of seeing Silva as gay.  Having heteronormative attractions doesn't make a bisexual/pansexual man any less queer (especially when they have queer attractions as well) and similar arguments can be done for a plethora of characters showing multiple gender attractions, whether on-screen or casually mentioning them.

#bi representation #bisexual representation #gay representation #queer representation #bisexual men #biphobia #biphobia in media #biphobia in lgbtq #strange way of life #brokeback mountain #call me by your name #red white and royal blue #heartstopper #bisexual erasure

[voicesinmovement]

The Good Wife is hands down my favorite legal drama

But the Biphobia portrayed in that show is fucking unreal

It can sometimes be easy to ignore, but my God!

#biphobia #biphobia in media

[prokopetz]

The evil opposite of folks bending over backwards to declare that Taylor Swift is secretly gay or an "honorary lesbian" or whatever in order to justify enjoying her music is folks expressing amazement that this or that obviously straight musical artist could produce work that's so resonant with the LGBT experience, and then you look up the "obviously straight" artist in question and they're openly bisexual.

#media #music #lgbtqia+ #biphobia

[transfagfemme]

People only care about character's implied sexualities if they're implied to be lesbian / gay . As soon as a character is implied to be bisexual (e.g. explicitly attracted to / involved with both men and women) suddenly they're "lesbian / gay with comphet" .... what if I killed you with a rock 🩷

#implied bisexuality in media is extremely important to many bisexuals #bisexuals have less representation than lesbians and gay men btw. WE DESERVE REPRESENTATION!!! BISEXUAL REP IS SO IMPORTANT!!!!! #when people do this all I hear is 'I think lesbian / gay characters are better than bisexual characters' #'I think lesbian / gay representation is better than bisexual representation' #'I think monosexual queerness is better than bisexuality' #bisexual #biphobia #☽☾ #🐈

[meggie-moo]

one of my biggest fic pet peeves is when they make a canon bi character gay, like?? there’s no need, they are already attracted to the same gender? literally what is the point of erasing their bisexuality, when it literally does not change the possibility of your ship happening? 😭 idk, it just does not sit well with me, lol

#tw biphobia #meg’s incoherent thoughts #bisexuality #like i just find it odd because there’s no reason to do it #unless it’s to erasure a character being bisexual #most times i think it’s used to like insinuate that the ship won’t break up because they won’t “miss the other gender” #which is a horrible biphobic stereotype #fandom be normal about bisexuality challenge #also i’m not talking about like a popular hc and then someone going against that i’m talking about characters who have stated they are bi #in the media they are in and it being completely erased in fics #sorry this was a rant lol

[theprinceandthewitch]

It's so funny when people call Lunter/Huntceda controversial bc the only thing controversial about it is that Hunter isn't a girl.

Because Hunter is not a girl it's "homophobic" to pair Luz, the bisexual girl, off with him... especially if she had a girlfriend prior to dating him...

#the biphobia coolaide turns people into demonic entities fr fr #something something the other members of the lgbtq+ community treat bisexuality as some kind of #moral dilemma instead of an actual sexuality #so no matter what ''side'' we choose we are still fucked. There is no winning with being bisexual lmao. #also we need to stop caring abt how other people view our media bc IT'S NOT ABOUT THEM! If they feel #a certain type of way about it then that's a them problem - its not something we are obligated to fix

[musical-chick-13]

Regarding the whole "Fandom Is An Escape, so why should I have to care this much about misogyny/racism/ableism/transphobia/etc." thing. Idk about the rest of you, but it gets kind of hard for me to "escape" when I keep seeing people say the same vile things about characters who share aspects of my identity that I hear all the time in real life.

#gotta say: it doesn't make me feel any better getting ignored/disparaged on account of my gender irl and then seeing every fictional woman #also get ignored/disparaged when there is no material difference between her and popular male characters other than her gender #how do I escape from irl misogyny if y'all keep willfully ignoring and flinging gendered insults at 99% (<-lowball estimate) of #female characters? how do I put aside the ableism I face in real life when y'all discuss disabled/mentally ill characters in the most #absolutely out-of-pocket way? how do I forget about biphobia when the 'arguments' you make 'for fun' about bisexual characters #in fiction sound EXACTLY the same as the things people say about my bisexuality outside of the internet/fan culture? #and then obviously this gets compounded if you are trying to even simply EXIST in fandom as a poc or a trans person or an intersection of #any or all these varying identities/life experiences #like yes caring about fictional characters is not the same as caring about real people OBVIOUSLY I can't BELIEVE I have to keep clarifying #that. and at the same time!! because multiple things can be true at the same time!!!! engaging in behavior that enforces pre-ingrained #societal biases and prejudices!!!!!!!! does not help dismantle those biases and prejudices!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in a real-world way that DOES #involve caring about actual people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #it's also. interesting. when people go on & on about how some newest show about thin cis white (male) gays is So Important & Revolutionary #So We Must Do Everything To Keep It Relevant And Visible and then act this way about women/poc/trans people/disabled people/fat people #in media. so like. you DO agree that seeing a variety of life experiences represented in fiction is beneficial. you DO believe in the #value of depicting marginalized people. interesting that that only seems to apply to a VERY narrow and specific category of marginalization #(ugh remember when I talked about this and someone called me a straight person good times)

[nellasbookplanet]

I'm so sorry but I'm going to talk about supernatural in the year of our lord 2023, because I just finished good omens season 2 and the way these shows occupy a very similar space in fandom attitudes is driving me insane.

In so many ways, good omens feels like what supernatural could have been, had they actually committed and not flailed around with like 15 seasons of queerbaiting and the most unintentionally funny ending imaginable. You have the demons and the angels, armageddon, team free will vs god's master plan, years of pining and repression and no personal space and small declarations of love. But good omens does it with genuine vulnerability and comittment, not as bait or comic relief or last minute bury you gays. But, because it’s big and well-known and allows itself time and nuance to get where it’s going, so many people really treated it horribly before the drop of season 2 for not immediatelyand explicitly giving them what they wanted.

Like, after the end of season 1 you could really feel the way spn damaged viewers treated them as the same thing. It’s like people were so prepared to be tricked that they came in highly on guard and defensive. Thing is, this manifested as taking anything other than the most bland, on the nose and immediate gay rep as the creators queerbaiting and trying to worm their way out of committing to 'real' queer rep. Gaiman refuses to confirm your 'they are gay men' headcanons? Clearly him being a coward and not the characters, explicitly, being neither gay nor men. Characters have a very close relationship but no kiss? Clearly queerbaiting and not an affirmation of ace/aro relationships, queerplatonic relationships, or even plain old platonic relationships.

There is so much hurt from years of stereotypes and queerbaiting and bury your gays that any attempt to tell a complex queer story - one where relationships take time, or where they don’t always happen, or where horror or tragedy strikes, become nigh on impossible. It becomes hard to distinguish subtext used to be genuine and subtle and queer-friendly from subtext used to queerbait and make fun, and rather than making the effort to tell them apart and giving stories a chance (and taking the risk of getting hurt) all rep must be distilled into the epitome of 'gay' before it’s accepted as good, because that way you cannot be tricked. Hell, just the way it’s referred to as 'rep' rather than 'characters' is telling.

This is noticeable in the way spn fan spaces talk about Cas, too; he’s always 'the gay angel', never the bisexual angel (despite having had female love interests) or the asexual angel (despite being largely uninterested in sex) or the nonbinary angel (despite not being human and on occassion using female vessels as well as male). Does Meg Masters mean nothing to you. Just. Please allow stories their nuance and their time and their right to not always cater to your ship in the exact way you want (or at all) without declaring them bait. It makes you look very silly when you come crawling back the moment a kiss happens.

#anyway i saw someone refer to goomens s2 as 'intentionally queer' and it made me want to claw the walls #is s1 a joke to you?? (judging by the disdainful way they talk of gaiman‚ yes it is) #good omens #supernatural #idk. there's just this way people approach queer rep and media as 'homophobic until proven otherwise' #that's deeply harmful to storytelling #maybe you shouldn’t treat every story as if it’s coming out of disney and marvel #if you come crawling back to good omens just bc they kissed maybe you should take that as a learning experience #in how 'on-screen kiss' isn't a valid metric on whether a story is good or not #and start actually watching and analyse them for what they are instead #(i also have so many thoughts on how this same attitude is prevalent in critrole fandom it’s not even funny) #(please stop it with the biphobia/erasure and the acephobia and the putting of romantic relationships above platonic ones im begging) #(please allow relationships to be more complicated than 'best friends to lovers' and 'married with kids forever') #anyway. I'm done talking now i need to make breakfast before i faint #nella talks #long post

[the-girl-who-sold-the-wxrld]

"this character has been confirmed bisexual but they still made them end up with a character of the opposite sex :/..."

my friend, my brother, my sister, my sibling,

step on a fucking lego

#yeah well i just read à biphobic post in one of my fandoms #it drives me mad #biphobia is so big and common it's terrifying #bisexuality #bi #bisexual #bisexual positivity #bi positivity #queer #lgbt #lgbt positivity #lgbt+ #lgbtq #lgbtqia #fandoms #fandom bullshit #fandom nonsense #bi character #bi representation #queer medias #queer rep #queer representation #queer rights #bi rep #bi pride #lgbtqia+

[dianneorshirbert]

it’s not false? bisexuals are overrepresented everywhere i cannot even name a queer character which wasnt made obviois to not really be gay because she or he fucked both men and women. i’m glad theres bi rep do not get me wrong but yeah, there’s very little gay or lesbian of trans rep in comparison

no❤️

#hahah #ii love biphobia #keyword here is *overrepresented* #nothing with EVER be over represented #plus bisexuality has been shitted on in media for such a long time #they are labeled as “confused” “cheaters” a “stepping stone for their ACTUAL sexuality” #i do recall literal people saying TO ME that “bisexuality does not exist” #so dont tell me that when im starting to see myself finally being represented in a positive light #anyways thanks😀 #also i could name a million “gay” or “lesbian” characters that do not identify as bisexual #bc that is not the problem #i love my gays and lesbians #i just like seeing everyone be represented on screen #is that too much to ask???😭

[coldvampire]

not playing bg & don't really have any interest in it + even if i wanted to my pc would Not appreciate it lmao but from the posts i have seen so far abt some of the dumb shit people are starting in the fandom makes me glad i'm preoccupied w other stuff fdgfhg

#just saw a string of posts talking abt the biphobia problem #i love when people either hate bisexuals that much they erase them Or care about them so little they just dont exist #which is very cool and not at all reminiscent of the last decade of dragon age discourse #ngl in general i think my fandom experience has improved by losing interest in da + similar media gfhh #like yeah im sure if da4 comes out ill probably play it just to play it but im not like. frothing at the mouth or anything yk #but anyway im not like. particularly invested in this or anything its just commentary #altho i wouldnt be surprised to see the overlapping venn diagram of da fans who pulled shit like this + bg fans doing it presently #in my heart i know its probably 95% the same group of people gfh

[o0anapher0o]

Having been in various fandoms for a long time can make you really appreciate the progress we’ve made in the way we treat people in the public eye, especially queer ones. It’s very heartening to know that a lot of interviews and articles from the 90s would be absolutely unacceptable today. (Should you ever want to see utterly shameless biphobia in relatively mainstream media I’d recommend early Placebo/Brian Molko interviews/articles. Seriously that man had every right to hate the press as much as he did.)

On the other hand it also makes you see of how certain things have not changed at all that really should have.

I had seriously hoped I would never have to watch an interviewer trying to (more or less subtly) goad an artist into coming out on camera ever again the way I’ve seen them do that to Mika back in 2007/08.

Can we just leave people alone, please?

#no this isn't about Nicholas Galitzine why would you think that? #honestly the flashbacks these 'You've played a lot of queer characters' questions give me #leave the man alone #if he wants to come out he will #media #tw: biphobia #reading interviews from the 90s is a trip #at the best of times

[vampqueers]

not enjoying the transphobia in greys

#already have biphobia weird prolife shit and the creepy weird religious undertones #that along with the praising and romanticizing some fans and writers do of some very toxic relationships and dynamics #i have no issues with stuff like this in media but like its leaving some ick vibes #i might need to take a break from greys #greys anatomy

[bonefall]

PSA: it isn't biphobic to point out that this is the third time WC took a character that the fanbase associated with queerness (Ivypool, Leopardstar, now Onestar) and conjured up a brand new heterosexual love interest for them

It's also the third time the love interest is emphasized in a way as to downplay the possibility of the character having (or lacking) queer romantic interest

These are not real people. These are intentional writing choices. Do not try to sell me a homophobic pattern like it's Bisexual Representation TM

#People get different things out of media and that is good actually #But this is a pattern. We can recognize patterns without throwing out what we enjoyed in their execution #Baby and bathwater and all that #Biphobia #Homophobia #queerphobia #Warrior cats #Onestar's Confession #Onestar #Leopardstar's Honor #Leopardstar #Ivypool #Warrior cats analysis #This is not a dig at people who like FernIvy or ONEWHITE or FrogLeopard #That was a bad typo yikes

[kit10phish]

Homophobic Language: From Problematic to Dog Whistle to Hate

It’s all bad. The tone (of voice), word choice, sentiment, and underlying message all combine to convey a message. It’s our job to sniff out, then call out any whiff of homophobia. Because in this year 2024, when legislation is increasingly terrifying for the marginalized, ANY amount of negativity toward LGBTQQIAA (and other ethnic, racial, social groups, but this needs to be focused discussion)…

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#analysis #biphobia #closet #CNN #conservative #Gaylor #hate #homophobia #homophobic #Kaylor #lesbian-invisibility #LGBT #media #morals #New York Times #outed #political #queer #queer lens #religion #religious right #sexuality #sin #Taylor Swift #transphobia #words