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#and even the state he's in doesn't really serve as an excuse for that
viiinz · 26 days
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everyday I think about him (Ippolit Terentyev)
#idk why of all characters he's the one that has left such an impression on me but oh boy#it's been over a year since I've read his 'explanation' and everything that followed and it hasn't left my mind since#ippolit terentyev#the idiot#god all he wanted was some sympathy and recognition#and they just make fun of him#literally all this boy wants is to be taken seriously and no one does#they either laugh at him or beg him to shut up#because his vulnerability and the fact that he's dying makes them so uncomfortable#and he's so ashamed as well over his own vulnerbility#that even when people aren't laughing at him he'll imagine they are#and people blame him for being self absorbed?? like of course he is!!#he's EIGHTEEN and DYING#this is a teenager who's just come to the realisation that he has no agency over his life whatsoever#and that all that awaits him are the cruel laws of nature#he has a right to be upset about that#he's literally the man condemned to death that myshkin talked about#and yes he's ridiculous and awkward and not always right and incoherent and all that#and he can really be insufferable and contemptuous and unfeeling towards others#and even the state he's in doesn't really serve as an excuse for that#yet i feel bad for him#and he's such a teenager too he's so insecure and just wants to impress the people around him#and yes he's doing it for attention#of course he wants attention#can you blame him??#all he wants is to be heard#to feel like his life mattered#but instead everyone's just begging him to shut up#like they're just waiting for him to kick the bucket so the uncomfortable ordeal can be over with#sorry i just have a lot of thoughts about Ippolit and I'm being very incoherent because i didn't plan on typing all this lol
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kanmom51 · 1 month
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A couple of words
So...
JK is with JM.
We all know that.
It's a fact, no matter what those that have their panties in a knot say, or more so, what they would want.
These assholes (you know who I'm talking about) can argue about it all they want. They can squirm and twist and scream and pray, but at the end of the day facts are facts.
JK and JM chose to enlist TOGETHER, through a process that has them TOGETHER, in the same unit, in the same base. Not same duties within the unit (the military utilizing their individual strengths), but all the same, at the end of the day they are TOGETHER.
It makes me laugh how there are those that still argue they aren't placed together, and then there are those that have obviously come to terms with the two being together in one unit (well not really, but have no arguments left as they keep being proven wrong), that now they have shifted their argument to the two not sharing same bed or quarters.
Like, haven't they had enough already? It's just so exhausting.
This incessant need to disprove what these two mean to each other. They are both in the military serving their country. A military that deems sex between two men (while on base, as limited by the supreme court) to be an offense punishable by incrassation. Are there queer men in the army? There most certainly are. Are there men sharing quarters and/or beds in the military? There sure are. JM and JK being in the military and as such being assigned to quarters by their superiors... would them sharing quarters or a bed add or take from what they are and mean to each other? It's stupid to think it would. Serving together is their choice. Being able to share quarter or a bed, well, that would not be entirely up to them, even if that would be a choice they would want to make.
I hope I am explaining this properly.
Bottom line is, they might be sharing quarters and even a bed, but even if they aren't, it doesn't take from what they are to each other or mean to each other, and it most likely wouldn't be by their own design.
What more do you want? Really? Would a selfie from their bed do it for you? Perhaps a shirtless one? Maybe a kissy kissy selfie? Not gonna happen. Not to prove a point for you, in any case. Oh, and btw, we did get many selfies from them in the past.
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Same bed, shirtless, very suggestive ones as well. Didn't convince you then, and I am sure it won't convince you now either. You will always have a stupid excuse or explanation why it's not what it is. Just like you do now...
Seriously, the depth of denial at this point is past annoying. Because, no matter what you think about the state of their relationship (and by now you all know my take on the two of them, partners in long term relationship of course, but there are still those having a hard time to commit to it), you have to be an outright idiot not to see or understand and internalize that these two are together at this moment by choice (as no other member of the group and with no other member of the group). They have told us and shown us time and time again what they mean to each other, and this here is them telling us oud and clear that they couldn't go through these 18 months of military service apart from each other.
And yesterday it seems like JK had some time off from his very busy and laborious duties. Or, he chose to spend his couple of hours of rest between meals to go online and for us to know he was online. He actually seemed to have spent quite a bit of time on TikTok following a few more accounts and liking some clips.
He liked some Hobi clips (for his upcoming documentary and album), liked a couple of Fri(end)s' clips and he also liked JM's #thisisJimin dance clip for Closer than this.
JK chose to not only like it, but to comment on the clip as well:
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An explanation perhaps? You know, for not liking this earlier, as he did JM's previous #ThisisJimin clips? And understandably so, given the clip was released 21 December 2023, seeing that they were both doing their basic training at the time.
And maybe this is a coincidence... maybe it isn't (you know what my feelings are about those Jikook coincidences), but this happening on 24 March 2024, exactly 1 year from the release of Face.
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Idk man...
I gotta remember this is JK we are talking about here.
Same day as this was happening too.
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Not saying a damn thing here...
Or am I?
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seneon · 10 months
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me when i remember i can send mashle requests 🙏🏻 bless your soul, sen 🫶🏻 so, since i’m lwky sick how about rayne, lance, orter (and or anyone else you want) taking care of sick reader? they had to find out you were feeling unwell from someone else too 😗
CARE ──── ft. rayne ames, lance crown and orter mádl.
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about. hcs of the boys taking care of their sick s/o | gn! reader.
notes. ava you're such a W for this ily bro 🔥 anyway, keep the mashle requests coming i love everyone who requests for them.
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RAYNE AMES
— honestly, bro's so worried for you the moment a classmate rushed to his class to tell him abt you. you're also a second year, just different classes from rayne for today. so he excused himself and rushed right to you.
— there at the infirmary, you sat down on the bed, your weakened state piercing rayne's heart. he went to embrace you in a hug and reassure you that everything is going to be ok. then he helped you to your dorm to rest.
— what intrigued everyone the most was how he traded places with your dorm mate for a few days just because he wanted to look after you while you're sick. during those moments, he looked after you. your food, temperature, symptoms, etc. he was there the whole time, even if he went for some certain classes that he wouldn't want to miss. but most of the time, he skipped those classes.
— rayne made sure everything was perfectly to your preferences. and you've been pretty obedient with the medicine too, which you didn't want rayne to worry about anymore further considering how he's skipping classes just to look after and accompany you. so you try your hardest to get well soon.
— he probably prayed to God for your health to get better soon. and when his prayers were heard, rayne is overjoyed and kept thanking God and you for doing such a great job in hanging tight to go through it all.
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LANCE CROWN
— it was lemon who informed him about your health. of course, he would keep his calm composure but on the inside, he's really worried and panicking. lance thinks it was his fault for going too hard on you during your sparring session since it was pretty much him using his gravitational magic to defeat you so it most probably caused your dizzy mind and body.
— the type to pay you visits with his other friends, since they're always with him. but he does it alone, he apologises so much and ends up crying then sleeping by the bed.
— your sickness wasn't that serious, it was just a mild fever. so all you needed was rest, medicine, and some of lance's comforting words. he tells you about what happened during school everyday, updating you about his day then listening to yours.
— lance notes down your classes' lessons and notes and gives them to you after the day or during free time. there's some certain lessons that you didn't share with lance and he would go all the way to ask your classmates or self study to write notes for you.
— after you were discharged from the school's hospital, lance helped you slowly recover from school as much as he could. he was gentle with your recovery and wouldn't want anyone or anything to hurt you so he's ALWAYS with you to serve as your temporary guard. he protects you for a whole full week, like a dad.
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ORTER MÁDL
— unlike rayne or lance, he doesn't show that he concerns. but deep down, he cares, and he doesn't. orter is like a two way kinda person, which is a bit complicating. so you won't know if he actually cares or not, since he didn't really reacted when the doctor told him about you.
— but, he tries his hardest to make time to visit you at the hospital since he's a busy man as divine visionary. once he found out that the hospital you were admitted in gives shitty low-class treatment, he immediately demanded for you to be transferred to the best hospital in the country.
— orter manages to get other divine visionaries to sub for his missions and duties so he could be with you and help look after you. the simple feeling and thought of you being alone in a big hospital gives him an unsettling worry so he decides to be there for you.
— he's the smart type of guy, so he does everything logically. if you don't want to take your meds, he'd just drink it, hold it using it tongue, kiss you and force you you to swallow it by covering your nose. pretty comical actually, how'd he tries showing you care but ends up screwing some of it up.
— it's ok tho, he's probably just feeling a bit of like a tsundere. he denies your teasing but ends up getting flustered. that would actually help you a lot in your recovery as your gloomy days spent in the hospital was filled with orter's entertainment until you were discharged, all healthy thus giving orter so many kisses which he would awkwardly return one on your lip.
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Sup! Can you do a rottmnt turtles x male reader (seprately ) where the reader is a natural flirt but when they flirt back he absolutely Loses his shit and becomes super flustered?
Yes! yes omg yes! I can totally do this! tysm for the request Anon!
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Rise Boy's With A Flirty Male!Reader
Raph:
Raph isn't the flirty type.
Most of the time he just says cute shit that makes you all happy inside.
You however,
Are one flirtatious son a batch.
You're usually carrying the relashonship in that aspect.
So one day, while the two of you are spending time together,
When you make an offhanded flirty comment,
You expected the usual stuttering and mumbling,
However,
You were not expecting him to flirt back.
You literally did a spit take and whipped your head around like,
Hello?
Excuse me?
What did my baby boy just say?
And why did I kinda like it?
Raph immediatly goes into panic mode at your reaction,
He legit thinks he did something wrong.
He calms down after you explain to him he didn't,
And that you were just surprised.
He starts flirting back alittle more after that,
But his most common response is his usual flustered state.
Leo:
It's no secret that Leo is the flirting KING.
So your guys' relashonship is pretty much a challange to fluster the other.
And you have zero clue who's winning.
But you guys will go back and forth with flirty comments for hours.
Much to the utter dismay of literally everyone around you.
You are positive you have the upper hand in your latest battle of flirtatious comments.
Leo proves you incredibly wrong however,
When he renders you completely speechless.
And this mf is cocky as hell about it too.
"Who's winning now, huh, hottie?"
You are literally hiding your face so he doesn't get the satisfaction of seeing your blush.
That doesn't last long,
Since he literally pulls you face up for a smooch.
Donnie:
Donnie is the stoic bad-boy.
He likes to think that nothing gets to him.
But as his boyfriend you know that's not true.
He's not as good at hiding his flustered state as he thinks,
But he's never attempted to flirt back.
He mostly just complements you if he feels like it,
But never straight up flirts.
Well, until today.
It was the usual day hanging out in his lab,
Him tinkering away while you talked,
With a flirty comment thrown in here or there.
You honestly thought he wasn't paying attention.
That's why when this smooth mf responded to your flirting with some of his own.
You literally short circut.
You just freeze and stare at him,
Your face is so red you might as well have stolen one of Raph's masks.
And this asshole just smirks at you, before returning to his work.
You have no idea how to react,
It takes like ten minutes for you to process that event.
Mikey:
Mikey is your ray of sunshine.
You would do anything for him to be happy,
Which is why you flirt with him so often,
Because his face lights up everytime.
He never really flirts back though,
Poor boy doesn't really know how.
So he doesn't really try.
That's why you practically passed out when he delivered the smoothest line you had ever heard.
Even you didn't have that rizz.
Mikey straight up thought you had somehow died when you just kinda stood there,
Blushing like an idiot.
He went and got his brothers for help,
Leo literally doubled over laughing when he heard what happened.
Donnie mumbled something about time waster's,
Raph just kinda chuckled and pat Mikey on the shell.
Mikey had no idea what to do to snap you out of it,
So he just waved a cookie under your nose.
You snapped out of it pretty quick.
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Your ask is served Anon! I hope this is written to your liking, and have a wonderful day!
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catscidr · 12 days
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Could we get some Dottore x escaped experiment reader? Gn if possible, doesn't even have to be smut. I just can't find anything along those lines and I like your writing style :)
i. note — hehehoho i might have uuuhhh used this ask as an excuse to go off a lil and try something new teehee °ᗜ°) but this was really fun to write!! thank you nonnie for the suggestion, and thank you very much for liking my stuff enough to req something!!! i hope u all enjoy ii. includes — dottore, gn!reader iii. cw — unhealthy and toxic dynamics, no dialogue, mentions of cannibalism, mild body horror, one (1) dead body, not quite stockholm syndrome but maybe kinda, reader is a mess and dottore is not a good person (shocker). minors do not interact, age in bio or block. iv. wc — 2k -> posted on ao3 too!
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To humans, running is what they do when they’re late to work, when they’re working out, or even when they’re playing games at recess as children. To predators, running is what they do in order to secure their next meal. To prey, running is what they must do so they can escape from the predator’s clutch in one piece, to not end up as a mangled corpse serving as someone or something’s food. 
You have more in common with prey than you have with humans, despite being one yourself. 
It hasn’t always been that way. One moment you were enjoying the warm afternoon sun of your home region out on a walk, and the other you found yourself thrown over someone’s shoulder with a bag over your head. 
You always find yourself reminiscing, yearning to feel the warmth you felt that day— minus the incident. You used to be a model citizen; someone people would rely on. 
A shame no one helped you when you desperately needed it. 
Your own mind is all you’re left with, as you’re clumsily tripping over your feet, rocks scraping your skin and blood trickling down your legs. The feeling is almost peaceful; but after running for so long, and with how often you’ve gotten yourself in this exact situation, you’re starting to second guess your motive for running in the first place. 
Is it a form of entertainment, are you growing bored of the four padded walls engulfing your five senses at all hours of the day that you feel the need to get the energy out of your body like a hamster does by using the wheel in its cage? Is it to leave the predicament you found yourself in after trusting someone you, under no circumstances, should have trusted? 
Or is it because you gradually have come to find yourself sharing more similarities to a dog, begging its owner to even unenthusiastically throw a plastic frisbee for a smidge of attention to fulfill your need to be seen, to be heard, and now you feel the responsibility to own up to that label you inflicted upon yourself? 
The lines between reality and your thoughts have blurred so much it frightens you. 
...Or, rather, it should scare you. After spending so much time in your own head, one would find that it’s surprisingly easy to come to distrust your own mind. You’re not sure if you should believe what goes through your head, even less believe what you feel. But at the same time, you’re all you have. You have no choice but to trust yourself, even when you shouldn’t. 
Only a select few are aware of how dreadfully strong and outright stubborn the human mind can be, whether it be from their own personal experience or from seeing others slip into a state like yours. 
Unfortunately for you, He’s familiar with your situation. Painfully familiar. 
… 
Sometimes you wish you were a luna moth. Delicate and radiant, people would be torn between praising you for your beauty and shunning you away for the crime of looking different than what they’re used to. You wouldn’t be a butterfly, would not conform to what society wants you to be. You would be able to be who you want, look however you want to without worrying over other’s opinions. 
The people that did like you, though, would treat you with care and would do everything in their power to make your stay in this world a pleasant one. A stay that would only last a week. 
Not long enough for you to become familiar with the horrors that await humanity. Seven days filled with nothing but genuine smiles, void of empty promises. 
You’d crawl out of your cocoon, eat good food, find someone to help continue your bloodline, then die somewhere peaceful and hope that your crumbling, decomposing body will bring relief to someone desperately needing something to eat. 
But you’re not a moth. 
… 
It’s unbearably cold when you come to your senses. Peeling your eyes open, you glance around to find yourself surrounded by cold limestone, barely illuminated by the cave’s entrance just a few feet away. The hairs on your skin rise from the wind guiding snow through the passageway, making you curl into yourself in a pathetic attempt to keep your body’s temperature from dropping too low. 
You look down at yourself; your pants are ripped at the hem, and you see messy splotches of brownish red staining the fabric and your skin, going all the way down to your calloused feet. You’re not sure how long you’ve been out for, but it must have been at least an hour given how the bleeding from the numerous scratches and gashes on your legs stopped without any assistance. 
The cave felt completely foreign to you, but even then, it brought you more comfort than He had. Or at least you think it does. 
You feel free. Despite the way your body shivered endlessly from the wind howling into the cavern, despite the dull but searing pain that made it feel like your feet were scorching that traveled up your legs, despite the way you couldn’t move your lips from how dry and cracked they were, split from sheer cold. 
You think this is the most freedom you’ve felt since you’ve gotten yourself stuck in His maw. 
... 
The wind is reduced to a soft, soothing melody when you wake up again. Almost calming enough for you to drift off to sleep a second time, but a nagging feeling in the depths of your gut told you that it was a bad idea to fall unconscious this time around, so you try to shake off the numbness in your limbs instead of succumbing to the call of the void. 
Standing up proves to be a challenge as your legs buckle under your weight. You catch yourself before you fall, holding onto the rough formation of a rogue stalagmite; it’s a struggle to hold yourself up, but at the very least you didn’t give yourself a concussion. 
The pain isn’t completely unwelcome, though. Your feet are throbbing, and the palm of your hand holding yourself up with the help of the stalagmite stings. As you blink the drowsiness away and the blood begins to flow through your limbs correctly again, you straighten your back to take in your surroundings properly. 
The cave’s entrance was filled with thick snow. There was enough that it would reach your stomach should you walk up to it, ignoring the snow that fell into the grotto, and not the snow that partly obscured your way to the outside world. You can’t see much outside, only the faint outline of pine trees wavering in the distance, far enough that you can only barely make out their form. 
Looking away from the blinding whites outside, you notice how utterly desolate the cavern is. Not even a single trace of a life was left behind in this cold, worn hollow. Maybe it’s better this way. You’re not sure you would have appreciated seeing even a wild hare or a fox in here, much less a bear. 
Sitting down on the rocky ground again to give your legs a break, you take a moment to think back to what got you here in the first place. 
You faintly recall rusty medical equipment, convulsing organs, and seeing Him jot down notes. You remember a plate being handed to you, the vague image of a man covered by a stained sheet of what used to be white, and the bile that rose to your throat when your gaze focused on what was on the plate itself. 
Everyone knew the Doctor was a twisted man, but you doubted He was twisted enough to force someone to cannibalize one of their peers. 
Clearly, you were wrong. 
Then, you remember making a mad dash for the thick iron doors of his laboratory. By the grace of god, you were able to leave; and you now found yourself in this desolate cavern, tucked away from civilization. 
As far as you were aware of. 
But you shouldn’t trust your mind. You knew this, yet you also knew not to trust yourself when you told yourself you couldn’t trust yourself. Simultaneously believing in logic and being a mess of paradoxical jargon— it exhausted you to think about. So you try not to. 
Whether by a stroke of bad luck or because of something else entirely, your dull sense of hearing picks up the faint sound of snow crunching beneath boots. Your hands and legs scramble to take you where you can hide as much of yourself as you can behind a rock formation, and you stare out of the cave’s entrance, holding your breath. 
The sound becomes louder. An almost gentle woosh noise accompanies the scrunch of snow, and soon after it stops, you’re able to make out a blurry figure approaching the cave’s entrance. The icy flakes make way for Him at His command, hand waving to get rid of what was keeping you physically separated from Him. 
The pure white snow behind His body glinted off his intricate accessories, the light forming a halo so otherworldly that it left you utterly breathless. 
His boots make a soft clicking noise against the limestone as He steps into the grotto, your safe haven for however long you had been here— now not. Not a single word left His lips as he assessed your rugged appearance. 
You wish He would smite you right then and there. He was most likely able to, and with ease, but you doubt He would willingly discard one of his longest-running experiments for disobeying a rule that you had broken many times before anyways. 
Your jittery gaze follows His movements as He outstretches His arm, offering you a gloved hand, silent. 
Did he know how much you simultaneously trusted and distrusted your own judgement? You stare at His hand, unmoving, heart racing against your ribcage— torn between bolting away, into the darkness of the cave, or intertwining your fingers with His, allowing Him to take you away voluntarily. 
This was mercy either way. You could either die at the hands of whatever lurked in the shadows of the grotto, or you could die at the hands of the man that brought you so much pain it morphed into comfort, solace. He stood, unmoving. Observing you. 
You knew Him well enough to know that He was taking mental notes on your behavior even now, outside of the familiar comfort of his lab in Haeresys. 
Both options were foolish, but you weren’t exactly known to be in the sanest state of mind. 
Pulling your arms away from your body, you bring a shaky hand up to take ahold of His, allowing Him to pull you up to your feet. You almost fall as a result of your nerves, but thanks to His quick reflexes you find yourself tucked in his arms, cheek pressed up against His navy cravat. The hand that wasn’t holding yours comes up to pat your head, gently untangling the knots that had formed in your hair. You melt into His touch, eyes fluttering shut to bask in the warmth He provided. 
As you stand there with Him, knees weak, body upheld by His will alone, you shove down the thoughts that brew in the forefront of your mind. Usually you would welcome the noise, even be grateful that you, at the very least, had yourself to lean on. But you find yourself wishing to lean on Him more than yourself, both literally and metaphorically, keening at the comfort He brought you. 
You knew you couldn’t trust your mind, so why not trust His instead? If you couldn’t rely on your own instincts, judgement or thoughts, then how bad would it truly be to let someone other than you become fully responsible for your wellbeing? 
... 
You were neither a moth nor human.
You were a dog.
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Just thinking about some AUs.
Like: Wash having served on a similar ship to the MoI pre-Freelancer. Similar, but ever so slightly different in lay out so he keeps trying to auto-pilot navigate and getting lost, and Alpha's watching on the camera feeds and at some point just hits "this is too pathetic, i gotta step in" like any back seat gamer watching a let's play, except he actually can... if he can figure out how to get away with it.
So he comms Wash, either through a direct link in his helmet or through a regularly intervaled wall radio. "Uh yeah, I'm... uh... you can just call me... Church? I work in the... uh... yeah don't worry about it but I can see you on the camera feeds, again, and man i gotta tell you for a bad ass space marine this is pretty sad. Tragic really, anyway, turn around, 200 meters and take a left-"
And it keeps happening, and sometimes they just hang out, Wash hiding in a storage closet eating contraband foods (the good chocolate) while Alpha drops some funny stories from the command deck.
And Wash casually mentions him in talk with the other Freelancers, but they never get to talk to Church, and Wash can't introduce him properly, so everyone refers to Church as Wash's imaginary friend.
(... and then no one can figure out why all the AI are low-key obsessed with Wash, like they need him to like them even though he's not their human operator.)
or like (possibly the same AU): There is no Epsilon, Alpha has a moment of clarity about what's happening to him, what's being done to him, and fakes a fragment in order to port himself out and get put wholesale (what remains of him) into Wash's head. It's still pretty traumatic for both of them.
And then they skedaddle, go into hiding somewhere no one would ever think to look for them. Disguised as a sim trooper in a box canyon in the middle of nowhere.
... also thinking about Price deliberately pushing Wash's buttons and trying to provoke his PTSD so he has an excuse to put him on meds, except the meds are (on purpose) meds that Wash knows messes with his head and leads to psychotic episodes and he wouldn't take them, damn the orders, if he knew what they were.
but he doesn't, and he gets into a fight in one of the communal kitchens without his armour on and the first thing the other Freelancers know about it is when they get called for back up to the kitchen to help subdue a man that just killed three other Freelancers (bottom of the pack no-name annoying assholes no one liked or would miss anyway).
'cept the other Freelancers don't clock that it's Wash, because he's out of his armour and Wash is almost never seen without his helmet, unlike the others, so they aren't used to his face, and when they think of wash they think of bright yellow and steady charcoal greys, not "holy fuck that's a lot of blood did he fucking roll in it!?!?" reds.
But by the time they get there, psychotic episode is over, and Wash is in a semi fugue state, kinda clock's Carolina's blue and that he might have done something really bad, so he just drops the knife away from himself and half collapses to his knees like a puppet with cut strings, manages to lock his fingers behind his head before they try to tackle him to the ground.
Wash gets away with a slap on the wrist, and like a months probation. (Director was in on the 'experiment' to begin with, and now they're already down three Freelancers, no need to make it four. ... also Director won a bet about whether Wash could take on/out more than two opponents at a time.)
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midnightsunnyday · 1 year
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So, once again, here I am at 2 AM with another hot take, this time on Lucifer.
If you really look at it, from the very beginning of the story, Lucifer isn't that horrible to us. You might think this is my Lucifucker bias kicking in, but for the first few chapters of the story, Lucifer is somewhat amicable to us being there. Authoritative, autocratic, patronizing, kinda scary, and well, prideful (duh), but otherwise...tolerable and leaves us to our own devices, for the most part.
The only time he begins to show hostility is when he starts to suspect us of having ulterior motives for making pacts with his brothers and getting too involved in his family's business. The two times where he does attack us may seem unwarranted to the player, but narratively, makes sense in regards to Lucifer's characterization.
So yes, it's time to get ready for...
Me analyzing the two times Lucifer tried to kill the ever loving shit out of us because I'm a simp, but also one who can read (somewhat):
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So, let's look at Lesson 6 or the first time Lucifer tries to murder bomb us. We, the reader, know that Luke, despite his feelings towards demons, wouldn't intentionally do anything to harm the brothers and obviously, had no idea what he was holding was a grimoire. He was a lost kid who unfortunately, stumbled across something he shouldn't have touched.
Yet from Lucifer's perspective, he sees an angel (beings who he's shown to hold bias against...for obvious reasons) trying to "steal" the very book that if in the wrong hands, could put his entire family in danger, along with the human who's protecting him (who he's shown to be already skeptical of), and his own brother, who hid the angel in their very home and allowed him the opportunity to do so.
Right now, he's not looking at the situation like we are because we already have that information. We know why Luke is in the underground tomb. We know why Beelzebub tried to hide him. But for Lucifer, all he sees is the enemy invading his home. This is the first time we see Lucifer enraged past the point of reason, so much so that if not for Diavolo, he would've killed MC.
Remember the beginning title of Lesson 6: There Are Some Wounds Time Can't Heal. Lucifer's reaction may not have been logical to us, yet considering what we learned about the secret room, about the brothers being former angels and fighting in the Celestial War and Lilith's death from Beelzebub two chapters earlier, it was logical to Lucifer and Lucifer alone. It doesn't excuse him from doing it, but it's an important part of his characterization and purposely done to show how these events still affect him.
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The same is true with Lesson 12. Lucifer tries to straight up dead us again, yet only after learning that we disobeyed his warnings about going up into the attic and conversed with Belphegor. Add that with him finally beginning to trust us (even developing small hints of a crush, flirting with us more than once) and the rather heartwarming bonding moment before it and Lucifer's trust is completely broken. Considering we learn later on why Belphegor was locked in the attic and what really happened to Lilith, Lucifer's reaction is not surprising. Not great, but not surprising.
It's then you begin to understand the basis of Lucifer's rage. Before making his vow to Diavolo, Lucifer states that whether demon or angel, he will always stay true to his convictions. Right then and there, we see what truly matters to Lucifer. His love for Lilith, his family. Even if it means sacrificing his pride and serving Diavolo. Even if it means becoming the bad guy to his brothers. He did, especially with the lack of options, what was necessary to save his sister. In turn, said decision also saved his brothers.
And so we see that the only two times where Lucifer is ready to attack is due to the perceived threat against his family, going so far as to risk Diavolo's goals of uniting the three realms not once, but twice, something that he surely knows the consequences for.
So yeah, I write all that to say that you can dislike Lucifer all you want. You can argue about how he punishes his brothers, especially Mammon. You can argue how he's a stubborn ass with the emotional communication skills of a sun-dried turd. You can argue that he's too subservient to Diavolo, to the point where he takes for granted his brothers wishes or feelings (arguments in which I do have opposing opinions on, but to do so will make this post longer than it needs to be).
Yet to call him evil is to ignore so many pieces of his characterization that shows otherwise. How vulnerable he can be, how affectionate, how silly, how he truly loves his brothers and will go out of his way for them, etc.
But to call him good isn't quite right either since well...he has no qulams about killing people, threatening them, attacking his siblings in a rage induced tantrum, lying, locking people in attics...
He's the well-intentioned extremist. The lawful evil. The noble demon. A rabid dog who snaps and barks at the slightest threat but pet him once and tell him he's a good boy and he'll melt in your hand.
Like, I know this shit is long, and I could go even further, but for now I'm going to defend the fact that Lucifer is just...he's a good character, ok? A good, complicated, mess of a character.
And I absolutely love him for it.
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Not enough discussion yet of the Logan-Colin scene. The man who has spent 3 seasons adamantly refusing to acknowledge his own mortality suddenly wants to talk about the afterlife. It's not real, but if IS real then he has some fucking theories.
Logan spends this entire episode wanting someone to tell him he's not that bad a person. Since the beginning of the show, he's used various shields to hold the allegations of moral rot at bay. Everything he's ever done, he's done for his children. This is nothing but cultural blowback, he's being punished for the sins of others. He's a good Catholic boy who couldn't even take off his undershirt in front of his wife. He just knows things about the world, that's how he makes a buck. Each excuse is flimsier than the last. And now, finally, he's out of excuses. The season 3 finale was the moment of truth where he was forced to reveal the kind of man he truly was. He's a man who wants to keep his children close even when it hurts them. He's a man who mocks love and fosters betrayal and whose only goal is to add more billions to his pile. He's a man who poisons everything around him.
And so now here he is, 81, only sycophants at his party. His children aren't here, revealing that he's not the loving father he presented himself as. Mencken isn't here, revealing that he's not as powerful or influential as he used to be (the Raisin would NEVER have snubbed a birthday invite). The Cardinal isn't here, so he can't point to the presence of a churchman as an endorsement of his own righteousness. (Why isn't the Cardinal here? Is it just because he doesn't care, or is there an unsaid moral condemnation involved in that decision?) So he leaves, and he goes to a diner with his "best friend" Colin, a man he pays to be by his side every hour of every day.
On the Succession podcast, Jesse Armstrong talks about Logan's perception of humans as something fundamentally childish. He doesn't know how to exist in the world. He doesn't have the vocabulary to relate to other people. We've spent 3 seasons debating what he considers to be a "real person", and here he reveals that he himself doesn't even know. The only way he can understand other people, the only way he can relate to them, is in economic and business terms. A person is an economic unit, moving through markets. It (and notice he says "it", not "he" or "she" or "they") has dreams and values and goals, but those simply serve to dictate how it moves through those markets. That's true for the random person on the street, but it's also true for himself and his children and everyone at Waystar. The difference is not that other people are economic units and he and his family are not. The difference is that he and his family are much bigger economic units, that make a bigger impact on the markets. They're 100 feet tall, and everyone else is pygmies, and yet being 100 feet tall doesn't make his tuna sandwich taste any better.
(And it's worth noting that when Tom and Shiv finally encounter each other, they use the same kind of economic language to discuss the state of their marriage. Shiv doesn't want to rake up a bunch of bullshit for no profit. Tom asks if she really wants to take a full accounting of all the pain in their marriage. They don't even realize that somewhere along the way they began perceiving each other and their marriage through the same lens that Logan perceives the world. They don't even recognize that they've reduced each other to economic units, moving through various markets searching for some shred of happiness or fulfillment.)
And then finally we come to the question of the afterlife. Logan doesn't believe there is an afterlife. Or does he? Maybe he genuinely doesn't. Maybe he's looked at the world and decided that heaven and hell don't fit into his market-centric worldview. Or maybe, the self-professed "good little Catholic boy" who's upset the Cardinal didn't come to his birthday party knows deep down that if there is an afterlife, he's not going to a good place. Maybe the only shield he has left to defend himself is the idea that there is no heaven and there is no hell, said with all the conviction of a man who fears his own damnation but doesn't see any way to avoid that fate.
And then he comes back to the party and he wants someone to roast him. He's staring down the gun barrel of his own impending death and he needs other people to join him in his glib assessment of his moral failings, to confirm that it's not a big deal, it's just business, his kids just suck and he's a pretty good guy and they all love him. And not a single one of them can. Karl and Frank and Gerri are too afraid of him to try and make light of his faults (in itself a somewhat damning statement). The only person even willing to try is Greg, and sure he has no comedic timing, but the deeper issue is that what's wrong with Logan is simply not funny. It's not lighthearted and glib. It's miserable and sad and lonely, and everyone is afraid of him, and there's no love or camaraderie in anything Greg says. Greg asks him where his children are and the only thing he can do is remind Greg that he, too, has been abandoned by the people who should care about him, that Greg is just as lonely and pathetic and desperately scrambling for connection as he is.
And then finally, we see Logan on the couch, in the middle of the night, watching ATN. Two men are left with life-threatening injuries after a brawl that went too far. A stupid pointless fight from which emerged no victors. Two men far younger than Logan, dying in a hospital. We know nothing about these men. We don't know what kind of legacy they might leave behind. We do know that whatever else they did will be overshadowed by the futility of their deaths. And that's when Logan calls Cyd to tell her that he doesn't like what he sees. It is the truth, but I don't think the root cause is something Cyd can fix.
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maidragoste · 1 year
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So rhae has a crush on reader ... DELICIOUS
So now we have ali, rhae, the foot man and harwin im our bag
I dont remember if you especified if she fights (with a sword and stuff) but if she was, she would be very present in the boys lives even more
As the boys grow older (in their child state aka pre-maimed aemond) she would spend time training with alicents children.
The reason of the bullying was because of the love their dear aunt held for some of them and the disregard towards another
Rhaenyra is always trying to be with you someway or another
One time she tried to seduce you amd you didnt even spare her a glance (daemon tought this to be funny)
Lucerys wants to be like you
You always baby your sons so much, you always run to kiss their cheeks
You keep harwin around as a political investment, you want the strong connections (he knows this, but he stays anyways)
You now are more dominant in life, you refuse to let someone take the lead
Otto secretly likes you (youre just as smart as him fr)
This is just my fan made headcannons in a way...i just like this series so much
Btw who do ypu picture as y/n, like your personal view?
Hi
Rhaenyra had a crush on the wife of her son's father, she's very 🤡 (like girl, why did you sleep with her husband instead of confessing that you were jealous?) but I still love her 🤪
Reader: *breathes*
All:
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I never said it in any post but I'm sure Reader knows how to fight. I find it hard to believe that Corlys didn't teach her daughter to defend herself against her. She knows how to handle the sword because he and her uncles taught her how to use it. She used to fight with Laenor.
Even so, Reader prefers knives because they are easier to hide and if someone attacks her, no one expects her to have her weapons hidden.
I have the headcanon that when she was little and she accompanied her father and her uncles to sail, a sailor taught her to throw knives.
I can definitely see Reader on the parade ground accompanying the children in her lessons. I would be aware that Criston Cole does not overextend them.
I CAN TOTALLY SEE the reason for the bullying being the fight for Reader's love. I don't feel like she disowns Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey but it is evident that she loves the green children more and that she is more affectionate with them.
I really love your headcanons. Rhaenyra always tries to find an excuse to be with you, she looks forward to every time Viserys orders family dinners because that's the only way you'll agree to have dinner with her and she also takes advantage of your affection for Jace to get him to invite you. to spend time with them.
Rhaenyra wanting to seduce you and Alicent looking at everything furious. Larys is calm because she knows that the princess has no chance with you. And it's true, there's no way you're going to look at Rhaenyra that way again...It's more likely that something will happen between you and Daemon (and that he seems like a hateful man to you) before you have something with Rhaenyra.
Lucerys wanting to be like Reader 🥺🥺 He admires you so much because you keep smiling and being kind to people despite all the whispers from court
Your children are your greatest joy. You love teaching them new things and sharing your family customs with them. It is not a secret that you are a loving mother, you are always happy to hug them or kiss their cheek 🥰🥰
Harwin knows that you will never love him like before, but he is satisfied with being able to continue by your side and not hate him. He is content to be the father of your children.
DEFINITELY OTTO LIKES READER. Well, he doesn't agree with the relationship you have with his daughter (because he is a man of faith) but he likes you and you serve him. He notices how you protect his daughter and his grandchildren, how Aegon listens to you, and how you make people start thinking of Aegon as heir to the throne. You win support for the greens.
I see Reader as someone smart. She always knows what to say to make people happy and to make them trust her, that's why she was always very loved at court.
She also lets people see her as weak. Although she knows how to fight from the affair of Rhaenyra and Harwin the image of Reader. She takes advantage of that and makes the court feel sorry for her so she gets people to start disowning Rhaenyra and Harwin.
People see Reader as a nice and kind person, which shee is but sometimes she is nice to court people that she doesn't really like just to have allies. Larys is the first to notice, she begins to notice how the wrinkles around your eyes aren't as deep when your smile isn't sincere or how your fake laugh tends to be shorter.
By the way, anon, if you want, the next time you write to me, you can choose an emoji (it can be anything except 👾 or 🌺) so I can identify you 😊
I hope you are well anon and that you are happy with my answers 🥰❤️
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I would love to see James with a reader who has ADHD. She could be in need of some affection just to help quiet her mind down so she's not so overstimulated. I hope this is something you're able to do ❤️ thank you!
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Hiiii, thanks for requesting this. As a person with ADHD I struggle a lot with affection, like I don't want it but I want it all the time. With my best friends I'm always looking to touch them when I feel overwhelmed. I'm writing this from my perspective and my experience, I'm sorry if it doesn't resonates with everyone. I'm really not that good at catching my ADHD traits until people points them out, so sorry if it's poorly narrated.
But again, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR REQUEST, I LOVE ADHD!READER.
James Potter x ADHD!Reader.
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tw. mentions of food
Hands Made of Magic.
James Potter had the superpower of knowing how his girl was feeling. It came as easy as Quidditch for him, he was deeply in love, and when you’re in that state, recognizing your lover’s emotions was just; easy.
He knew it wasn’t like that for everyone. Not even for her. And he had to stop getting mad at people for not knowing what she was in need of in that exact moment.
James observed around. Everything seemed normal except for the missing spot where his girlfriend had to be sitting. It wasn't unusual on Y/N to skip meals, and as much as James hated it, it was something he was getting used to. But never two meals in a row. James knew for a fact that his girl had nothing for dinner last day, and not being present on breakfast was concerning.
Because she promised. No more than two meals. Never more than two meals.
He frowned, he looked at his friends and then again at her spot, getting mad when it was being occupied by other student. When he was about to say something about where Y/N could possible be, a disheveled girl appeared by the doors. James smiled at the sign of her, her sleepy eyes and timid smile. God, did James Potter adored that woman.
The breakfast was served a few minutes later, and he was enjoying his food, just as he always does. Y/N on the other hand wasn't feeling that great. Her mind was everywhere but her food. Her nose was wrinkling at the sudden strong smells and her hand was scratching her thigh down the skirt, trying to distract herself and not think about how could everyone's voice become so loud in a matter of seconds.
While one of her hands was on her thighs, scratching causing pain to forget the emotional mess she was feeling, the other was trying to get her out of her cape, feeling itching and uncomfortable.
James was quickly to follow her movements. When he looked at her for the first time and her eyes were moving everywhere but her food he had a hint. When one of her hands disappeared he knew the next time he takes off her skirt there would be a bruise. Her wrinkling nose was the cutest thing he has ever seen, but he knew; something was wrong. It wasn't a hint anymore. And when he saw her trying to get rid of her clothes, her chest moving quicker than normal and her lips trying to hide inside her mouth, he excused himself with his friends and walked to her.
"S' everything alright, my love?"
She looks at him, doe and worried eyes. James knew she felt bad, not only because how she was feeling, but because she hated to be like this. She hated to feel like a burden for her boyfriend; for James Potter. Who could get any girl he wanted, who could just leave her in any minute when he gets feed up with her overstimulation; "Are you feeling funny?"
James had a tendency to call 'funny' every bad feeling. Anxious? Funny. Sadness? Funny. And not because he wanted to disregard what anyone was feeling, but because he thought it was a helpful way to help it. Because he thought that maybe seeing it like that would erase the thought that there's such things as 'negative feelings'.
Anyhow, she doesn't answer back his question. Her lips in a pout and her soft hand trying to reach his, Y/N doesn't even have to ask for it, James knows she wants him to take her anywhere else but there.
And he does. With such delicacy, James takes her hand and slowly walks out of the great hall.
"Jamsie, it itches"
"I know, my baby love. We'll be on my dorm really quick, alright?" He says, stopping for a few seconds to kiss her lips, in response Y/N holds onto his hand tighter; "Easy there, kiddo. Gonna sprain my hand"
She lets go of his hand, James just smiles at her and takes again her hand, not stopping his touch on her for a second.
"My beautiful, beautiful babygirl. You're such a baby aren't you? My beautiful baby" James says, his nose touching her and making Y/N chuckle. "Let's take that uncomfy uniform and lay on bed, sounds nice?"
She nods and stays standing where he left her. Not moving a finger or talking while he goes to his closet. Y/N doesn't need to move a finger, not when she knows James would be doing everything for her. Y/N knew that the second James was out of that space again, he would be taking care of everything she could possibly need.
The thing about dating James Potter, was that James Potter's girl would never, and trust me when they say never, need to move a finger again. Not if James – the certificate simp – was around.
"Umm, you waited for me, baby?" Y/N nods looking at him "Such a good girl, angel eyes" Y/N extends her arms to James, waiting for him to touch her. "Whatcha need, kiddo?"
But he knew, asking Y/N was a courtesy. James smiled at her and took her sweatshirt off; "Oh, my little one, you scratched your arm" James pouted, in response, Y/N mimicked his pout.
"Aren't you the cutest thing in the whole wide world?"
She nods with a smile and James chuckles, James gets a bit distracted by his labor that he completely misses the way Y/N's fingers try to reach him and she looks at him with sad eyes. "Oh, oh, no doe eyes, dove. What's wrong? I'm here?"
He sees her fingers moving and he smiles. He knows what his girl needs and wants, making her wait for it was just cruel.
James takes her body and pushes her to the bed, he sits first, having her sit on top of him. Her legs hugging his torso and his chin resting on her head. James hands were rubbing her back down the slim fabric of her blouse.
Y/N's breath was warming James' neck, and even though the sensation could be uncomfortable and weird, he would never complain about his girlfriend's needs.
"How's that restless mind of yours doing, bee?"
"That's a new animal" She mentions, nonchalantly, ignoring James' question.
"Mhm?"
"You've never call me bee"
"Oh, haven't I?"
Y/N shakes her head, causing his throat to itch a little, ending in a little chuckle from him.
"You call me dove" He nods "I'm bunny too. Puppy sometimes. Kitten when we do things" She laughs and he does too. "You called me koala once when we were in Hogsmeade"
"Too many pet names for someone so small" He says, moving his hands to the center of her back "I should have done it sooner. You know how important bees are for the world? And they love flowers, just like you"
A few minutes passed without any of them talking, her head resting peacefully on James chest and her calm breathing made him feel safe, because he knew Y/N was safe.
"Good night, I suppose, peaches. Hope my body is comfortable for you to spend the night... I'll probably wake with cramps in my whole body..." James looks at her with a smile and dreamy eyes "... But it's totally worth it. I wouldn't change the cramps for anything in this world"
I'm sorry if this isn't what you were expecting :ccc I hope you like it, it was so hard for me to write this really
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As per popular demand (literally 12 votes) I'm getting into what can be considered the controversial aspect of klayley
Or What the show failed to address
This is really also a character study for my girl Hayley all at once in regards to how her overlooked trauma affected her relationships ( because I love @bloodsoakedfangs )
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Hayley never knew her family all she's aware of is that they gave her up, and her adoptive parents simply kicked her out at the young age of 13 I believe after finding out what she is,
She's an abandoned little girl forced to roam the streets on her own, that is both absolutely terrifying and very risky, there's no limits to what she might have gone through and seen as both a kid but also a girl if we're being realistic, which is a direct cause of her hyper independence, she was forced to rely on herself completely since childhood
Now in regards to Klaus, when she meets him, despite the disdain she understandably has for him there's also attraction, one she's fully aware of and okay with, she knows he's a horrible person but she's also self aware enough to know she's no better
So despite everything he's done to her friends including Tyler it wasn't enough to stop her from succumbing to that attraction, and as she herself states in ep 1, it's pretty common for her to go for that type of men
Straight forward to 1x02, the episode that pretty much seals the deal, so for a starter this will go into sensitive issues but unlike the writers I'm not going to sugarcoat it, but you can leave idk
Klaus is in fact very unstable, any slight provocation sends him off the rails, he has severe ptsd as a result of the abuse he endured and clearly suffers from abandonment issues, and that's not to justify or excuse anything he's ever done but rather it serves partially as an explanation for why he is the way he is , you CANNOT honest to God expect him to be able to be in or maintain a healthy relationship,
Similarly to hayley , who also suffers from abandonment issues and doesn't have a healthy perception of love or relationships which is why she always sabotages any healthy relationship she's in and ends up constantly running back to Klaus and giving her all in her quest for the family she fantasizes of finally having
Her reaction to what he does in that episode is when you see the trauma bonding part
He physically assaults her, almost killing her both and the baby in response to what he perceived as a threat of "leaving him" or pretty much being able to easily "take away" that fantasy he too has of a family he secretly wished for, to have something he can truly call his own, and maybe even heal what Mikael broke in him which is ironically why he got angry, she hit him where it hurts, the "kill her and the baby" was bullshit and how furious he was when she almost left him proves it, he was both worried he's being played by the witches AND scared of failing this child the way his father did, (he liked hayley too much to do shit to her as tvd proved already if he was ever careless about her she would've been gone by tvd 4x16 instead of him genuinely risking his life and his family's to just have dinner with her and then willingly let her go without her providing the life or death info she's nonchalantly holding back)
Even next morning when he tries to make up for what he did in his own way, he asks why she didn't just "leave him" and that he deserved it, by that point he calmed down, is clearly regretful and knew what he did had nothing to do with hayley, he was angry with himself
Hayley's reaction (who's very straightforward and dangerously bold, something Klaus admired in her since the beginning) to a violent man being To smile at him the very next morning, casually talk to him , being happy when he offers to do something as decent as fixing the air conditioning
is if anything a sad testament to how she's holding on to any crumb of affection he has to offer, to that dream of a family she never had growing up.
And throughout the first two seasons he still never learns, he still willingly puts her and THEIR child in mortal danger again in 1x06 because unsurprisingly he's jealous of Elijah's interest in her
She calls him horrible for it as she should and says Elijah is infinitely better than him but when he forces her to go back home and shuts off Elijah and Rebekah, her reaction (5x08) is to tell him that after ALL THAT, she wants to believe in him, and to not fail her, and is once again happy he agrees to get rid of the dead bodies he left to rot in the the middle of the compound ????
Her acknowledgement of him putting her and his child at risk twice because he's "a notorious Psycho" as she called him and that Elijah is a good man but at the same time staying with him after almost just leaving and still settling for whatever decency he may provide at some point
It's classic trauma bonding, where after anything horrible he does that throws her off he does something "nice" that makes her believe he may change, it might be worth it. Hence, the "I want to believe in you" it's not that she has a good reason to believe in him, it's that she desperately wants him to be what she sees in Elijah
And ultimately it's not even that she wants him to be better, she had Elijah, she had Jackson but it didn't stop her from bending over backwards for Klaus of all people but leaving Elijah whenever she has to put in any bit of work
Elijah and Jackson's sole appeal was that they loved her greatly, she felt loved, they were easy to love, they were good but when it came to putting in the work to make these perfectly healthy relationships work she dips, but all her energy is invested in a situationship (the term fits here sorry 😭) where Klaus keeps bringing them back to ground 0,
She also despite having Elijah and Rebekah says she's "sure she'll be doing this alone" in regards to Klaus probably not being a traditional father
When Mikael calls him all sorts of vile things , which from Hayley's perspective are all valid, she should agree with him , instead she hates Michael, defends Klaus saying none of it is true and stops calling Mikael Klaus's father
This ties well with season 2 where hayley literally blames Klaus for all the people coming after hope, she could've left but she goes with the option of marrying Jackson and staying even as it drove Elijah away ( tbf she also married Jackson for him which is funny because she literally went on to marry the low maintainance guy because she simply didn't want to work for her relationship with Elijah despite killing herself for Klaus of all people)
She stays because Klaus asked her to after swearing up and down she's leaving when her daughter was almost murdered /blown to pieces in one day due to what she perceived to be Klaus's indirect fault but she didn't give a fuck about Elijah begging her not to leave AFTER Klaus took the heat for killing Aiden and finally pushing her over the limits
She has said prior to that , to Klaus's face, that she's leaving for good if he doesn't change his ways
So it's absolutely telling when it's proven Klaus was her main, sole even, tie to the mikaelsons including ELIJAH 💀, that when she felt like she's too sick of his shit she ditches everyone FOR GOOD
She finds comfort in him and only him at her lowest, pushing Elijah away and only getting better when it's Klaus telling her she's family and boosting her confidence,
Same exact things Elijah said, except it's coming from the person that truly matters to her, she doesn't yell,she actually sits down and listens to him and eventually he's the only person to understand her and successfully gets her out of crippling depression and self loathing, as Elijah himself noted ironically
Hayley defends him abandoning her and hope,to go commit mass murder somewhere else, tells him she won't give up on him,writes him countless letters to tell him she misses him and she wouldn't have wanted anything to be different , including all her trauma mind you, because it led them to having hope together, something she wouldn't have changed
Now keeping everything he did especially in season 1 and 2 in mind,and her having other romances, she tells Klaus she wouldn't change the fact he's hope's father
That's how dedicated she was to him
Hayley did NOT love Elijah, she was attracted to him sure, he was first to show her kindness at a time she needed it most, especially from klaus
And he made her feel loved, something she craved
When it was easy she welcomed it but he wasn't worth staying for, fighting for or even getting to know given they both did not know or like each other beyond the romanticized version
What she had for Klaus,{ while for all the wrong reasons since she wasn't one with a healthy understanding of love due to trauma and abandonment, } was unconditional love, she knew exactly what he was, how vile and sadistic he can be, is a first hand witness to all of what he can be too but it made her attachment to him and the sacrifices she was willing to make for him all the more stronger,
It's the "show don't tell" version of the all consuming devotion d*lena and the other ships failed to have
Mainly because they're both similar in the way that they were both fucked up individuals, both self aware and know they aren't good people and both desperate for love, love that truly sees them for what they are but doesn't shy away from it, it's why she's the ONLY love interest he calls family, and family as he describes is above all others, worth everything, the only constant for him,more reasons why it's very dumb to say he loved any other woman more than her .
Klaus and hope (being two faces of the same coin for her) are the single most important people to hayley,above literally everyone else , the two people she spared a glance before offing herself
The ones she fought tooth and nail for,risked everything for on multiple occasions
Hayley was a complicated character, she's damaged and all she knew from others was abuse and abandonment
It's why Klaus is familiar, safe, her comfort zone
She uses the two healthy relationships she has to feel better about herself, discards them when it's convenient but does ALL that, endures all that from a man who's treatment of her is typical, why she defends him and risks everything for him and is more than happy with the tiniest bit of love he has for her can be summarized in trauma bonding and "daddy issues" , he's an older guy with all the power here , he's emotionally unavailable, unpredictable and quite violent but occasionally calls her with an endearing nickname "little wolf" and can be soft with her, why while she revels in pissing him off and challenging his authority he's the only man she keeps running back to and can actually get her to listen to him when no one else can
While, like she herself says even when she hates the living shit out of him for all the ways he hurts her (out of love from his perspective) she can't help but love him
They're basically a match made in hell, they have no limits to what they'd do for each other, and out of every other one of their ships they're the only ones with an actual relationship where they fully see, understand, accept and love each other no matter how heinous they can be
And if anything it makes sense because at that point they were both too far gone to know what healthy love looks like
They develop at season 3 but that's a different convo
The main point is that I can still talk about their relationship because it was actually written surprisingly well despite the neglect and are very,very complex and multi layered outside of classical and empty romance
Klayley, through hope, what the show was built around and who they are as characters was pretty much a part of the show's heart and core all while integrating romantic elements without it becoming their sole defining characteristic
Something you can't say about the other romantic relationships in the show
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bthump · 8 months
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I think I have diagnosed Griffith with 2 things after reading the manga, but am curious to know what you think
1. ⁠Narcissism. His entire worldview revolves around him. He thinks he is the protagonist. When he states that he can only respect another person who has their own dream and would do anything to make that dream a reality, he is putting a tremendous amount of weight on his "respect". And when someone actually does what the fuck he claims will earn his respect, he doesn't give it, because in the end it breaks his ego. In the eclipse, it's unearthed that deep inside, all along, he believes that all of the individuals in his army exist, living or dead, to serve him. That they died purely for him, not even considering that they yearend a life that was better then what they had, and surviving the front could have granted that. He never felt for a second that he actually owed anything else to anyone else.
2. ⁠Sociopathic tendencies: Griffith lacks true empathy. He views the world, and it's moral balance as a ledger, that he can add and subtract pros and cons to equal the karmic balance in his own eyes, and as such he "Greater goods" a ton of stuff that the fandom excuse or don't even consider prior to the eclipse, like burning the queen to shreds and sending guts on an assassination mission. He sells himself off to Gennon for the "good of his army", but this is just Griffith making ends meet to continue his ambitions of conquest, all of which are for his purpose. He excuses great amounts of evil because he is a narcissist and a sociopath. Other people's genuine state of being are not within his comprehension, and their situation is meaningless to him.
I gotta be honest, I'm pretty surprised you don't already know my opinion on this, since like my whole Fandom Brand is being a Griffith stan who thinks he's a genuinely good, empathetic person as a human lol, and I feel like I discuss that all the time. If you're very new around here and haven't really read many of my posts yet, then yeah, fyi we have deeply differing takes on Griffith.
And just as a warning, around this corner of fandom you're pretty much just going to see exasperated disagreement with this opinion, because it's what the majority of (English speaking) fandom tends to think about Griffith and the people who follow my blog tend to be pretty tired of it.
If you're genuinely interested in my own thoughts though, I'll link a few posts that explore my take on Griffith's personality in some depth:
Do I think Griffith is cruel
How Guts is not a better person than Griffith
Quick take on the Eclipse sacrifice
Griffith and power/control
The meaning of the Promrose Hall speech
Why Griffith lost his shit during the second duel
How Griffith both parallels and contrasts Gambino
Griffith's feelings for Guts are positive
Griffith's entire internal conflict throughout the Golden Age examined at great length
And just as an additional note, I generally don't engage with media through a psychiatry lens. Diagnosing fictional characters with personality disorders isn't my kinda thing unless the text is heavily implying it, because I view characters as tools that exist to help construct the meaning of a story, not as real people. If the narrative isn't interested in clinical psychology, then neither am I, basically.
But needless to say if Griffith was real I don't think either of those diagnoses would fit him, based on my layman's understanding of sociopathy and narcissism, for reasons I've discussed a lot in those linked posts, among others.
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archivalofsins · 6 months
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Shoot that shit into their veins. Do it once, thrice but never twice. Two is the evil number. So, Mikoto better be asexually reprodcuing up there or he's unforgivable. He better be popping out alters up there.
His third song better be looking like-
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His thoughts in the next Minigram better be represented like-
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We don't have that much three alter representation, discussions around alters being forcefully shut out, representation of the abuse and trauma that causes this very personal disorder to form, or how many of us use media as a form of escapism and that impacts our mental spaces.
It would be nice if we-
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Amane is right there and fulfils all those criteria. So, as far as we're concerned you've got that. None of the people behaving in this manner are the starving orphans they pretend to be begging for representation they don't have.
Because last I checked just today by the way
This is how the representation you all cry about wanting is being treated-
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Oh, and the accussations of her not being a system at all simply because her system is connected and due to that none of them can hit Es because of the conditioning. Something illustrated through Purge March because even though only one Amane faces the harshest brunt of the punishment the rest are still rained on too.
"Wow Gunsli can't you just let 3koto theorists have their day? Their time? They have every right to want the representation they latched onto and related themselves too for so long to better mirror thier own personal experiences."
You're right casual and reasonable individual.
Except that's not what they're doing is it? It's easy to go it's all in good fun when there are no negative repercusions to oneself from this occurring. However, this does have negative repercussions for those of us with dissociative identity disorder in two alter systems.
Through these individuals just having their fun and pushing this to the extent that they have. They've stated plainly for all to see that two system dissociative identity disorder representation is wrong and gross. At times even going as far as to state that such a presentation is rare and unrealistic. Intent does not excuse the impact a person or multiple persons actions have on someone else.
The behavior that has been going on since the release of Double just serves to highlight the overt ableism that individuals with Dissociative Identity Disorder and only two alters not only face from society but within the dissociative community itself. Something that isn't new to anyone who has even took more than cusory glance at the topic. So, I guess I shouldn't have personally expected better. However. before this we personally avoided all media that even touched on this topic.
Still from the beginning the idea of there only being two alters in Mikoto's case was treated as a negative stereotype that needed to be corrected by adding more for him to be good representation. I've discussed my personal feelings on this before. I've discussed my dislike of the 3koto or rgb theory on these grounds before as well.
To simply act as though people that face and deal with dissociative identity disorder in the way Mikoto is shown to with only two alters don't exist- That people who the disorder presents this way are fake and just a horror movie trope or a stereotype is a form of ableism. Comparable to people saying,
"Um all people with autism don't have low empathy. I feel empathy. This is just a widely used media trope done for exagerration. Some people with autism feels emotions and empathy really heavily actually-"
Except in this case it's,
"Um two alters is kind of rare and a trope. Not all people with dissociative identity disorder are like that. This is just an ableist trope. I have X ammount of alters actually."
When what both mean is,
"I don't like it when media doesn't represent how I experience this disorder specifically. It's harmful because people will really start to believe that we're all like that which just isn't true. Oh of course some people are. It's a varied experience but I'm not like them and I don't want people to assume I am. There's enough stigma! Can we just stop the stigma? Would it kill someone to represent this in a less demonizing way and focus on the humanity of it? Am I the only who gets this. The only one who recognizes this as the overused media trope brought about by genral ignorance on the disorder that it is. What they have X too? Well, they're probably lying where are their forms where's their proof. I mean even if they do there's clearly something else wrong with them not just that. I mean if they're representing it like this. See if they were a mental health professional and dealt with more people who had this instead of focusing on their own narrow worldview they'd know this was wrong. This is why we need people who are more informed to speak on the matter. We need more people like us making media. People who really get it. Just really get it you know?"
These people may need more individuals like them writing medai because they really get it. I don't though I need these sorts of people to stay far away from and my deviant existence. I need them to leave. Because the truth is there are many people like Mikoto regardless of if they only have two alters or more. There are a lot of people with this dissociative identity disorder and all our experiences vary. Milgram even displays this through the use of its other characters.
Dissociative disorders are not monoliths.
There are many people who go undiagnosed long into adulthood. Just due to lack of access to healthcare. Just for them to be exposed to constant change and new stressors that end up exacerbating this issue that they still don't know they have. This leads to unhealthy coping mechanisms such as abusing substances like alcohol and cigarettes. Something that can lead to the issue being misdiagnosed as a substance abuse disorder.
All the while, still having these new responsibilities and duties pile on, causing increased stress. Leaving them feeling like they have no one they can talk to about these things because they don't want to worry those closest to them or they don't particularly feel connected to the environment they're in currently or the people within it whether they're surrounded by friends or not.
Instead from what I keep seeing and hearing many fans have just gone nope there's no one like that in the world.
Those sorts of things don't happen Gunsli it's 2023 and the definition of DID isn't
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anymore.
We understand as we've rudely assumed your plurality status from the beginning that you a poor singlet wouldn't know about the intricacies of this disorder like we would. The counsel of plurality discerned that the proper definition would be three or more not two or more. We hope that helps. Now let us, the experts, take this off your hands for you. Maybe ableism should be a top shelf word for you sweetie~ We're not the bad ones here we have this disorder too. People with a disorder can't be ableist against that disorder. Internalized ableism isn't real and you're just raining on people's parade, okay?
Yeah, no not okay. No, one here is a fucking expert. Most of the people doing this are talking about experiences they clearly didn't have when it came to this disorder. Then when others disagree with them, they assume that person is a singlet or ask people for diagnosis forms when they say they aren't. Something that displays that most of the individuals behaving in this manner are more than likely privileged beyond measure. That I can only assume have been coddled by the government to the extent that they were even capable of having access to diagnostic tools and services.
From my own experiences with pursuing diagnosis. In the state of fucking Michigan. Detroit, Mi where I was born and raised.
-Personal Anecdote to better explain my mindset when it comes to this-
So, how's Michigan? Well even when you're not in Hell you're in hell. Great state overall if you subtract the fact that you can still go into restaurants and face overt racism where either the whole place is glaring at you for having the audacity to go there or they sit your family and a nice Asian couple in an unlit part of the restaurant when the rest of it is fucking empty and lights work everywhere else. So, how would one assume that race and financial status impact someone's access to mental health services and medical care in a state like that? Could it be well it must be fine if that's how restaurants are treating minorities. Ahn moderate like it surely exists but it probably isn't good.
Or fuck Gunsli you're twenty eight the incidents you just recalled happened in 2011. The fuck is it like growing up in a places like that in the early two thousands. Have you ever been called the n-word with the hard r? Yes, and I'm light skinned. Wait what about when you said that thing about people marching with guns outside of a bookstore you were going to. One it was specifically a Barnes and Nobles two it's for exactly what you can imagine it was you ignore it after a while. Which should be a good indicator of how mental healthcare is handled where I'm from it. Literally the difference in access to mental health and medical services in Michigan based on your income, where you live, and ethnicity is staggering.
For example, my friend had to leave this State entirely- She got a job in a new state as a full as adult and then at said new job her supervisors went hm we're going to get you tested for this because we think you have it. Then she got fucking diagnosed with autism. She left undiagnosed and came back diagnosed. I remember it clearly because she literally said upon arrival back and her first visit to my home, "Guess who's back and has autism." Then slapped her diagnosis papers into me. That's the fucking level we're on here. That's fucking wild.
 I was on my father's healthcare until I was twenty-one because it got extended. So, when I was like nineteen I went hm not gonna have healthcare soon... Maybe this is good time to get tested for autism and take care of my mental health before I don't have the chance to let me look into that. You know how much that costs for a legal adult? Five thousand USD-
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You know what my insurance didn't cover. You guessed it any mental health care. It literally didn't even cover therapy. If I talked to a therapist for thirty minutes, it would cost my family two hundred dollars. This is the difference privilege and being born in a better spot than someone else can have. So, I don't necessarily blame people for thinking that's not how that works and assuming that others have the same access to opportunities as they do. Things like that happen.
A lot of people would then go onto assume that well there were other avenues to getting treatment and care like the education system. There are teachers and school psychologists that can refer students for testing or even report neglect or abuse to the proper authorities if the need arises. Yeah, that’s rightfully how that should work huh. However, at one point during elementary school a kid went missing from school for several days. It had been almost two weeks, and his parents didn’t really give an excuse for his absence. So, he was at risk of being truant. Our fifth-grade teacher called in the kids parents and they told my fifth grade teacher verbatim,
"We don't know where he is either. So, there's nothing we can do. He left the house a while back and we haven't seen him since. He does this sometimes he’ll be back when he comes back."
To which our teacher a new guy like fresh out of college and just started working at this school that year said,
"I'll have to report it if he's not here tomorrow. So, find him."
So, there I am listening to this as an eleven-year-old thinking... Huh why'd the teacher lie? He's not legally allowed to do that. Does he not know? Is he unaware? Did something change? Because if he does that then he’s not going to be coming back to school any day let alone tomorrow. Let me explain. So, my like seventh or eighth elementary school was a charter school. This meant it was specific to residents of that township. Meaning if you legally didn’t live in that area, you could not go to school there.
A lot of kids were from Detroit not that area this meant a good number of them weren’t really legally allowed to be going there at all. So, reporting it would require telling someone a student’s  legal housing address which would get them  kicked out of the school. Something that the vice principal had told students and their parents about when they enrolled. I told my teacher this too like hey you can’t do that, and he was like what do you mean. Then he was like that’s crazy, and I was like okay ask the vice principal and he called him in and the vice principal was like no she’s right you can’t do that and you’re lucky they believed you could. Just hope he comes back and leave it alone from now on.
Because we're a charter and all the schools below a high school level within their area were systematically shut down meaning they literally have nowhere else to go. So, lying is about their addresses and as little people as possible knowing about them is really the only option or they’ll just have to try to find a school that teaches this grade level in Detroit which there are not many. That was the first school that I went to that had a proper school psychologist. Before that one I was sent to a counselor at an inner-city school for a verbal tick I made after all my sentences. You'd think hm that might be a sign of autism.
You'd be right that's what the actual psychologist they brought in after weeks of being hit with ruler each time I made the noise didn't stop me from making the noise because I could not hear it. So, this was just an exercise in pain. I don't remember my age. All I know is it was before nine because at nine I was in charter school and living a lie.
That lie being I am totally from this area stop asking questions and you legally don't have the right to inquire about my address at any point in time and as such I don't have to give it to you. They eventually brought a psychologist in because after a certain point of physical abuse people start to believe you when you say I don't hear what you're talking about. Wouldn't that be nice no this went on for like two months not all physical abuse that was just when my mom made sure I went because she complained to the teacher.
The teacher and I actually had a very civil agreement to never speak or deal with eachother again. She was also the anger management class teacher. Prior to this I was sent there for fighting a lot in elementary school they thought I had anger problems. Two kids bet me ten dollars each I couldn't make her angry and I wanted the money so I did.
To the extent that on day one she threw me out of anger management and said,
"Don't come back here. You don't have an anger management problem you are a problem. I don't care where you go during this time, but you come here and then you leave that's it."
And that's how I got twenty dollars and a free hour of time every Wednesday. Then she went on to do that solely because my mom was worse than me. Meaning if this woman did nothing simply my mother had no issue getting her fired. So eventually the teacher called in a specialist, this was still back at the time parents had to agree to get you tested for autism.
The lady talked to me for a second and went to my mom then very politely inquired if my mother would allow her to test for this disorder. Because she had great cause to believe I had it at no cost to my mother by the way. At which point my mother promptly no we left and that I never had to go to speech therapy again and got me ice-cream while explaining how if I got diagnosed with that, I'd basically be jobless and futureless. Along with how the government is always trying to diagnose African Americans with something in order to make them feel less than and psychiatrist can’t be trusted. The ice-cream was good though.
-End of personal Anecdote to better explain my mindset when it comes to this-
So, there you go that was my experience with the education and mental healthcare system in Michigan if anyone was fucking curious.
Okay well now you're just centering things around your own personal experiences. That's not fair and doesn't invalidate the experiences of those who may have been fortunate enough to have access to those tools or delegitimize the trauma they have. Just because someone has access to help doesn't mean their trauma is any less important than that of someone else's.
You're right it fucking doesn't! Everyone’s experiences should be respected regardless of the privilege’s life has or hasn’t afforded them. That’s common sense and should be the case for anyone regardless of how their circumstances differ from someone else’s.
However, the fact that many people are not as fortuitous or have the same access to care as their peers do, causing them to go undiagnosed for longer. How going undiagnosed for such a long time does impact how they deal with this disorder and even if they ever come to terms with having it or not. It impacts how people view themselves and how they interact with society and the concept of mental health. It can cause them to believe that they’re evil or a fraud regardless of what those around them say or the things they manage to accomplish. It does cause people to have a tenuous grip on their personal identity and feelings regarding themselves.
Because unlike those who had access to those tools earlier in life and have been given ways to cope with those facts about themselves. Those that go undiagnosed most of their lives are just trying to find ways to survive financially when they reach adulthood. They don't care about the tolls to their mental health they just care about if they're going to fucking eat today or remained house. Or what's going to happen when the people they do have to rely on inevitably leave or pass away and how not to cause trouble for those people. So, they don't leave or become disappointed in them.
Even if they have to lie to them about things going fine.
Many people have been jokingly saying singletes don't have a right to discuss Mikoto's case.
I could rightfully say that those who were lucky enough to have access to mental healthcare and early diagnosis should not have the right to speak over individuals that have gone undiagnosed for most of their lives. Should not have the right to center this around their personal journey with the disorder because the experience is just not the same. There is a vast difference between me someone who was diagnosed with autism just last year and someone who was diagnosed with it as child and as such given access to accommodations to help and aid them in better interacting with the environment around them.
There's a difference between people who were diagnosed or came to terms with having a dissociative disorder in early childhood and individuals who did not. Something that is highlighted incredibly well by how some systems treat the idea of systems with two alters existing in regard to Mikoto's character. Treating the very concept with disdain and disgust simply because it does not fit their own experiences.
Looking for any reason to sweep it under the rug because it's the gross part of the disorder it's the bad rep. Their DID isn't like this. It's not yucky or split they're special good people who are doing dissociative identity disorder right and if Mikoto was good rep he'd be like that too. So, he must be like that.
Look there were three in this shot and look at the green so it's not that. It's not two, it's still good guys. Maybe they're just having each of his songs be representative of one alter. The third one will show the third alter guys. We aren't being biased in any way we're not saying two is bad it's just this would be a more accurate depiction and if it is just two that's kind of ableist, right?
Literally, take a moment and listen to yourselves. Because that's simply incorrect. Existing with a disorder doesn't make a character or person ableist. Regardless of how that presents in them specifically. Also, if the third song was from the perspective of a new alter how the hell would it narratively wrap Mikoto's story?
Well, if we put all the POV's together and work backwards we'd be able to figure out their crime as a whole of course. Okay and if you do that now what proof is there that there are more alters outside of wild stretches of the imagination that people publicly and privately have made fun of because they lean straight into conspiracy theory territory or being blatantly and easily provable lies?
I'm not playing this game with anybody any longer. This behavior is ableist and why a lot of people with dissociative identity disorder and only two alters don't interact with dissociative works of fiction or the communities. Because people who it presents that way in aren't safe wherever they go. Because people like this who care more about looking respectable than those struggling with this disorder will throw folks who it presents this way in under the bus every time just to make themselves look better.
Oh, that doesn't sound nice. That's not the type of people they are. It's all harmless fun. It's not that serious. It was never really about the number of alters. You're going a bit too far.
Yeah, it's easy to recognize that when the fingers pointed are at you, huh?
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yuikomorii · 2 years
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I hope this doesn’t bother you, Admin-chan, but I just find it odd how Ayato and Ruki are your top boys taking account they’re rivals and well…Ruki wronged Ayato in many ways and I don’t wanna be that person but he’s one of the least problematic Diaboys so I don’t get why Ruki would treat him the worst out of them all. I mean, shouldn’t all Sakamaki’s be a threat to him, why only be so mean towards Ayato? That’s what I can’t understand.
// Don't worry, it doesn't bother me! I know Ayato and Ruki have very different personalities, and I've stated several times why I love Ayato, but Ruki is my second best boy because we share many interests and a thirst for knowledge. I'm actually in the mood to write an essay about it, so please excuse the length 👉🏻👈🏻
Ayato & Ruki Analysis, let’s go!
I love Ruki; he's such an intriguing character, but his attitude towards Ayato irritates me at times, especially because he sees Ayato as some sort of privileged brat who gets everything served on a silver platter, despite the fact that we know that’s exactly the opposite taking account that this guy had been mentally, emotionally and physically abused for decades.
The Mukamis are my favorite family, but I dislike how they constantly dismiss the Sakamaki brothers' trauma and adopt the "I've got it worse than you!" mentality.
Going back to Ruki, yes, what happened to him was indeed heartbreaking but the thing is, they wanted to show how Karma hit him. We know young!Ruki was a cruel child, he punished his servants for every little mistake and considered himself superior because of his position. Now, let’s talk about young!Ayato. He was literally Ruki's polar opposite; a kind child who didn't care about his Prince status and treated everyone equally, such as the butler, who was shown caring a lot for Ayato in LE and YB.
I usually like rivalry when it’s good portrayed; I really enjoyed the Shu x Yuma and Kou x Subaru ones, I think they were really well written. However, in Ayato’s and Ruki’s case… that’s a whole other story.
Ayato despises Ruki primarily because of romantic jealousy. Ayato may appear narcissistic and confident, but many people fail to realize how insecure and low his self-esteem is. Ayato is shown in MB to believe that no one will ever love him back. He is aware that if he falls in love with someone, that person won’t reciprocate his feelings, and thus he will get hurt. That's why Ayato kept rejecting Yui there and eventually let her go with Ruki. He clearly knows Ruki is better than him in every way, he just won't vocally admit it; he knows Ruki can easily win Yui's heart, and that's why he's a threat in his eyes.
Ruki's hatred for Ayato stems mainly from power jealousy. Ruki's main goal is to become Adam, but he can't because he isn't a pure-blood vampire, so he projects his insecurities onto Ayato, who, as the main guy, is considered the true Adam. Throughout the routes, Ruki appears to be impressed by Ayato as well. He once questioned whether Ayato truly is special, but quickly dismissed that thought. Another reason is that, as mentioned in his MB brute end, Ruki believes Karlheinz loves Ayato and his brothers. He is very insecure too; he knows Ayato is stronger and has a better chance of having Eve.
I’m honestly sick of how many times Ruki has called Ayato “unworthy” of being Adam but little does he know that’s not something he chose. I suppose people really overlook the fact that Ayato doesn’t want the powers, he couldn’t care less about Karl’s plan, he just wants Yui’s love. He was literally cursed to become Adam, that’s definitely no blessing. Have you seen his awakening symptoms in MB? The guy couldn’t even control his blood thirst anymore; he was literally ill.
And, while we're at it, what exactly did Ruki do to be "worthy" of the Adam title? His orphanage plan already failed because Kou, Yuma, and Azusa were all shot, and if Karlheinz hadn't shown up, he would have most likely been gone. He basically took care of them in Eden and "trained" them, which essentially means telling them the details of his plan, while his biological children were going through nightmares.
Anyway, I'm relieved Ruki is no longer obsessed with the Adam and Eve plan. In CL, he seems less addicted to it and I'm glad CL demonstrated that Ayato would indeed help Ruki if something happened to him; he became concerned when he suddenly fainted and was eager to save him and others as soon as possible.
I doubt they'll ever become friends because their personalities clash, but it's nice to see they don't hold grudges against each other anymore.
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sorry if this question upsets you because you've answered it a lot, but is mary a child/teen on Blackout Hospital? i supposed she was young because of the game console thing and her naiveness, though its part of her personality i feel like she's a minor in this game
No. Mary is not a child. Mary is not a teenager. Mary is not a minor. Mary is an adult woman.
I don't mean to sound harsh, or mean, or cruel, but I am quite frankly sick of getting this question and people's inability to see Mary as an adult. I don't think you are trying to "bait" me into getting worked up or something, but because this happens often enough, I need to say something about it.
Mary's appearance should not be an excuse as to why people see her as a child. She's essentially the same height as Twyla in Cemetery Mary, but not one person has ever came to me saying they suspected Twyla of being a teenager? Or a child? Or a minor? Is that not weird, when they look so similar?
In Blackout Hospital, Mary is shown to be around the same stature as other adult characters. Yes, she is a short person. A petite person! But there's plenty of adults who are petite too--do you call anyone you see under 5'5" a child?
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I think some people also conceive the notion in their heads that Mary is younger due to having a flatter chest than some of her other female/feminine peers. I, however, find this to be pretty ridiculous for a few reasons.
One, is because it is completely natural for people to have different body types. There are teenagers who have big chests. There are adult women who have small or even flat chests.
Two, because as I have openly stated in the past--Mary is designed with the potential to be interpreted as a cis or trans girl. If one were to read Mary as being a transgirl, it would also make sense for her to not have much of a chest.
I think using Mary's personality as a reason to read her as young is...well, in the most polite way I can possibly say this...I think it's bullshit. Because I notice this trend happen across hundreds of characters and now it's happening with mine.
Characters who are mean are perceived as older, more mature. Characters who are nice are perceived as stupid, and younger. Twyla and Mary are around the same height and have nearly identical figures, but because Twyla is mean no one spares her a second glance and because Mary is nice everyone accuses her of being a child. (Even with characters who aren't Mary this happens. Dr. D. Light is often portrayed as stupid or gullible or idiotic when he's...literally a certified doctor? He isn't stupid--he's just nice.) Similarly, it's interesting to me how when Reginald doesn't understand a piece of technology he's often viewed as older, but when Mary doesn't, she's viewed as younger? Why is that?
And, because this has recently been confirmed as part of Mary's canon, I ESPECIALLY do not like Mary being accused of being a child/minor when Mary is autistic.
The infantilization of autistic adults is a real issue, and there's plenty of articles and conversations on the topic. I don't necessarily want to start a whole new conversation about that here, but I will say that because of it, it really does rub me quite the wrong way when people accuse Mary's personality or mentality as being that of a child. I often wonder how many traits Mary displays that people see as "being that of a child" when they're really just "traits associated with autism".
But I think a big flaming gun in this whole argument is that no one in these universes where Mary exists treats her like a child or a teenager. When Mary meets Twyla in Cemetery Mary she describes her as looking college-aged AND also around her age. No one brings up any objection as to why Mary would be allowed in a bar that serves alcohol. No one ever brings up the idea of Mary currently being enrolled in a highschool(Except in a game like Here For Sweethearts, where she is a highschooler just like EVERYONE ELSE). No one brings up an age difference when it seems like Mary and Reginald could be romantically involved in CM. Twyla accuses Mary multiple times of dating Reginald in CM without mentioning any difference they could have in age or why it would be inappropriate if they were dating. When *slight Blackout Hospital spoilers, I'm sorry!* Hyllindrix sees Mary wearing a wedding ring, he asks her if she is married without any sort of mention that she would be a child bride or something similar. Reginald has line in Blackout Hospital where he refers to her as being a woman. Vasilis, a clearly established adult with a job, says things to Mary like "These have been around since WE were kids".
And part of the reason receiving asks or comments like these makes me so mad is because it always feels like you guys are trying to accuse me of something. Like you are covertly trying to catch me in a "gotcha!" moment where I'll admit Mary isn't actually an adult or something, so you can frame the relationships Mary has with other people as being something predatory and gross and "expose" me as someone who is okay with that kind of content. And that makes me really sad to be viewed as someone who would portray that kind of stuff as OK in my work.
Mary Anta is an adult woman. I have never treated her like she is not. None of her in-universe friends have treated her like she is not. And I think that is what I want people to take away from this. If YOU view Mary as a child, a teenager, a minor, when she clearly is not then that is on YOU. I am not the one infantilizing Mary. You are.
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olivyh · 1 year
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For research purposes,
How would the ttv cast react to og cast?
And vice versa
I think that both versions would be completely baffled by their alternate selves!!! There's a lot of slight changes, considering that their personalities would be more or less the same. This is assuming that they meet in the og!twst universe
TW: General TTV warnings (violence, gore), spoilers for TTV
TTV!Riddle would most likely try to convince og!Riddle to attend one of the executions, and he would be absolutely furious if he saw the state of the original Heartslabyul! The complete disregard for the rules! The chaos! How was og!Riddle supposed to hold any sort of power in this sort of environment? Where was the respect? Og!Riddle would be horrified of this alternate version of himself- murderous and bloodthirsty. he reminds him of what he was like pre-overblot (without the murder, of course). Og!Riddle would feel terrible after hearing what had happened to ADeuce, and he feels even worse after seeing that two Og!Ace and Deuce don't have their counterparts with them. It's also very likely that ttv!Ridde would still be furious at Adeuce for their crimes back in his world, trying to use his power to get them executed as well.
Trey would also likely be terrified once he finds out what is truly in the tarts. It would be most likely that, since ttv!Trey puts on a friendly face, Trey would be none the wiser until the two decide to start baking together. He seems oblivious until ttv!Trey grabs his arm and tries to slash at his arm to add the "special ingredient". Trey refuses to be alone with his counterpart after that. ttv!Trey finds of!Trey to be somewhat endearing, reminding him of the way he was before he was forced into the nightmare of TTV!Nrc. He really is just trying to help him let loose a little, you know?
Cater would get along with his counterpart for the most part, knowing that, while ttv!Cater is still bloodthirsty, part of him was forced to partake in the chaos. Cater tries to reason with his other self, showing him different ways to gain an online following that doesn't include as much blood! He is still very creeped out by ttv!cater, through...Ttv!Cater is very glad that his counterpart is fun like him!! He is a tad disappointed that he isn't as violent, noticing how his viewers seem to drawn to the more... pg stuff in comparison to the torture livestreams...
Ace and Deuce would be... confused as to why their counterparts aren’t there, as is the way with Ruggie, Jack, Epel, or Lilia, Sebek, and (depending on the ending) Silver. They would be very scared of ttv!Riddle and would, honestly, hide in Ramshackle until the ttv!cast were sent back into their own universe. 
Leona would be annoyed with his counterpart, I think. he may be rude, but he’s not malicious or evil enough to eat people for his own amusement. Ttv!Leona would definitely taunt Leona, calling him pathetic and a sad excuse of a ruler for... not eating his subjects i guess???  Leona would also get very protective over Ruggie and Jack after hearing what happened to their alternate parts, knowing that it was, indirectly, his fault for the other two’s deaths, and he would become furious at ttv!Leona (which may or may not result in an all-out brawl between the two). I hc that Leona feels a lot of guilt over hurting Ruggie during his overblot, so hearing that a version of himself actually killed and ate him would make Leona see red. 
Ruggie and Jack would be just as confused as ADeuce. Ruggie would be very hesitant around ttv!Leona, as he was the cause of the death (and the hyena doesn’t like how he looks at him as though he were a slab of meat,,,) Jack would be less wary, but very relieved that he wasn’t as evil as the other counterparts and that the other version of him did try to help.
Azul would be curious as to how the other version of Mostro lounge was so successful, while serving people mer... It was unsettling to him, and reminded him of when the twins would often tease him while eating octopus in front of him. TTv!Azul would likely try to convince Azul to do the same, seeing that there’s more “product” in the original world. I think he would also exploit normal Azul using their shared weaknesses to get him to do his bidding (which won’t work since Azul is above murder, sorry TTv!Azul). He would very much think of normal Azul as being a coward and a fool for losing money due to his morality..
I feel as though, despite both the Tweels already being somewhat violent (due to their family’s uhh,,, business,,,), they would both be unnerved. In the normal world, theyre both seen as practically unmatched and suddenly, there’s copies of them who are both calculating enough to know their next moves,,, as well as being twice as violent. For them, both sides would be stuck in a limbo of sorts, with both Jades trying to one-up each other with their wits, while both Floyds would either a) give into their impulsive sides and wreck havoc (no murder, much to ttv!Floyd’s dismay) or b) fight each other, physically and mentally
Kalim would be absolutely distraught to hear that a different version of him would give into violence and overindulgence. Yes, he does like to have fun and throw parties, but he would stop them the instant someone was in danger or got hurt! How could his other half be so cruel?Other Kalim would be confused- he just wanted everyone to have lots and lots and lots of fun! So what if they died? They went down playing games, at least! Kalim would try ot be polite to ttv!Kalim but,,, he can’t help but feel uncomfortable by looking at his murderer-self...
Jamil’s first instinct is to protect Kalim from the alternate versions of themselves, and his other half’s knowing gaze as he looked at him sent shivers down his spine. Other Jamil would see the differences in their dynamic- clearly normal Jamil was doing this for a different reason aside from his servitude. TTV!Jamil would be jealous of normal Jamil for having some semblance of choice, even if they’re both trapped in the same position. 
Vil would be disgusted at his alternate self- especially once seeing that TTV!Vil embraces the ugliness within him that caused his overblot in the first place. A part of him would like to ask his other self why he does what he does? Does his creations come from a place of jealousy? Does preserving beauty matter so much over life? TTV!Vil would also be appalled at normal Vil, he would try to explain why Pomefiore is full of people-turned-statues, why some students absolutely had to be turned into monsters! They would ultimately keep their distance from one another
Rook does not like ttv!Rook- he doesn’t even attempt to get near him in the slightest. He recognizes the look in the man’s eye, the bloodlust that his alternate self has, how he’s prepared to notch his bow at any given second despite being in a safe area. TTV!Rook would likely try to chase normal Rook, or he would taqke it to the next level and see how good the other hunter is- can he dodge the arrow? Would he even know if he wa the one being hunted? As of now, Rook’s main goal is to protect the rest of Pomefiore from his alternate self...
Epel would be mortified when he was expecting to see his alternate version only to get... a piece of marble that resembles his own horrified face. He would likely stay far, far away from the rest of ttv!Pomefiore due to this incident and go into hiding with Ace and Deuce.
Idia recognizes the look of guilt on his counterpart’s face, as well as seeing the torn-apart version of his younger brother appear on the older Shroud’s back. Idia’s first instinct would be to remove Ortho from the situation, seeing the dangerous glint in ttv!Idia’s eyes when they landed on the boy. TTv!Idia is insanely jealous of normal Idia- he gets to keep his brother, other Ortho is safe and in one piece and can talk normally. It’s not fair! TTV!Idia is likely plotting to swap their Orthos when other Idia isn’t paying attention. Idia also doesn’t want Ortho to see what happened to his counterpart, seeing his younger borther torn apart sent shivers down his spine so it’s likely that the two boys wouldn’t have the time to meet or see each other. 
Malleus is livid at his counterpart, to act as though his loneliness is not his fault when he kills. His counterpart even tried to kill his closest friend, and then manipulated his family to kill each other. If it weren’t for Lilia at his side now and the worried looks that are casted from Silver and Sebek he would have long ago snapped the other Malleus in half and torn him to shreds. He can try to control his temper, but it only goes so far. TTV!Malleus is a cold blooded king and finds Malleus to be foolish for trying to protect his advisor, a half human, and two full humans (TTV!Malleus never saw them as family; there’s no attachment). He wouldn’t try to hurt them most likely, since he knows himself and he knows that it would likely destroy the entire island if they were to fight. They stay far from reach other, despite other Malleus always standing in the shadows near the rest of Diasomnia until he’s sent back to his own world. 
Lilia would be confused when he sees that he doesn’t have a counterpart, but he would soon understand when ttv!Malleus casts them all a glance. They would have to go to TTv!Yuu to get answers, which leaves them all in varying states of shock. Silver would stand closer to Lilia for a few days afterwards, shaking to his core when he thinks about holding his father’s body. 
TTV!MC would likely scare the rest of the cast- seeing their dear friend, bruised and beaten, terrified to tears at the mere sight of the people who had been taking care of them since they’d come into Wonderland. Their condition alone is enough to put everyone into action to try to defeat their counterparts- or at least find a way to keep Yuu when the others are sent back to their world. 
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