hi all <3
so back when season 2 first dropped, i happened to poke my head into the tags too soon and saw a post that i didn’t agree with, saying something about how terrible Wilhelm and Simon’s communication was in s2. respectfully, i just removed myself from the tags, but it had struck a chord in me. so naturally i rewatched s2 immediately and hand-wrote 14 pages looking at how their communication actually was through the season.
it’s now a little over a month and many, many rewatches later, but having been encouraged by @missmeganlee, i have decided to share with you all! i have transferred the original thoughts directly from my yr book and onto here, so these are written exactly as i first wrote them back on Nov. 2.
i do want to clarify that this isn’t an analysis post, it’s more of an observations post. the main purpose was to go through almost every interaction Wilhelm and Simon had in season 2 and to point out their communication throughout. although it’s not something i would ever send directly to the person who inspired it, it pretty much is a direct response to that post. it’s more of a breakdown pointing things out than an analysis about why or who or what or how.
affectionately titled “’Wilmon bad communication’: Kiss My Ass”, here you go:
Episode 1
(34:00) - The Library Scene
Simon tells Wille what he wants (to not talk) and explains that it’s not forever, just for now
Wille expresses why he doesn’t want that (“you’re the only one I can talk to”)
But Simon tells Wille that he hurt him, which Wille doesn’t deny
Simon says “I can’t be around you right now” which establishes how he feels and sets a boundary
“Tell me what to do” Wille wants to fix it but doesn’t know how. It’s a last effort to get Simon to stay, but ultimately when he doesn’t, Wille let’s him walk away, respecting the boundary
Episode 2
(1:04) - Walking away from the music room
Wille is still respecting the boundary
(5:19) - Not passing to him in gym class
Petty, but still the boundary
(7:12) - In the classroom
Wille asks Simon before sitting, even though there is no where else
Petty bitch
“I’m just trying to be honest about my feelings. Maybe you should try it.” Also petty, but it’s a good message. Simon doesn’t feel like WIlle is honest or clear, so he tells him that it’s a problem.
Wille looks properly chastised after, meaning he’s considering what Simon said and realizing he was right.
(16:50) - In the locker room
Wille is now expressing how he feels about Simon’s behavior (“You don’t care, you just shut down.”)
Clarification!!! Simon explains what actually happened (“I went to the principal. Now I’ll get detention.”)
Wille apologizes for getting mad AND thanks Simon for trying to help
They discuss what happened, putting them both on the same page (to an extent)
Wille tells Simon that they can have a relationship and explains the situation around it (“Two years it would have to be a secret”)
Wille makes it clear that he wants to be together again now
Simon stops Wille and asks for clarification
Hi Henry
Simon expresses his problems with the situation (waiting two years and Wille’s denying the video) as well as his lack if trust in Wille
Restates what he needs/wants (not to be a secret)
Explains a new boundary (talking at school)
Wille clarifies what this means. “As friends, then?” and Simon confirms. SAME PAGE.
Episode 3
(2:47) - At rowing practice
Wille checking on Simon when he sees he’s upset
Simon being honest about the reasons, including his displeasure in the difference in how they are treated
Wille apologizes (roughly, but he does) and explains his reasoning
(11:05) - Doing homework in the cafe
Wille expressing that he felt lied to, even though, as Simon clarifies, he was told the truth
Wille asking (...telling) Simon to just speak plainly
Simon does
Wille accepts Simon’s answer without a fight
Simon decides on his own to further clarify that he and Marcus aren’t dating, as well as telling Wille that it “isn’t his business” which is another boundary of sorts
Episode 4
(general)
No prior communication from either side regarding Marcus and Felice
(10:02) - In the locker room
Simon opens up with anger, but he immediately is explaining why he’s mad
Wille acknowledges that Simon is upset and validates his anger (“I get that it’s hard”) but he also points out Simon’s hypocrisy
Wille expresses his own anger and why
Wille again asks Simon for a clear, simple answer. Simon shrugs (which isn’t clear, but given Simon’s whole situation, I’m pretty sure it was honest)
Simon explains how he feel with Marcus (“He’s open about liking me/he introduces me to his friends/etc.”)
Wille is defensive. He can’t deny the first one, but he does the others.
“He accepts me the way I am.” “And I don’t? You’re the one who can’t accept my role, my family!” “No, maybe I can’t” (Now Simon is being hypocritical again) But Simon is being brutally honest. He does have trouble accepting that Wille is the Crown Prince. Painful, but he still lets Wille know it’s an issue.
(36:35) - At the ball
Simon is honest in expressing that the interaction with Marcus felt weird
Wille is honest in assuring him it was just him being polite
Ow
Wille explicitly states his observations and new intentions (“You don’t love me anymore. I’ll leave you alone.”) While this observation isn’t accurate (Simon does still love him) Wille believes it is, so he’s again being honest.
He is also acknowledging that Simon wants to move on and clearly stating that he will stop pushing or trying to get Simon to take him back
(40:05) - At the ball, outside
Wille is intentionally ignoring Simon at first, until Simon catches up
Simon states that he is trying to move on and Wille accepts it
“Everything just went wrong between us.” “I know.” Simon is telling Wille that their breakup wasn’t because of loss or lack of feelings, and again Wille accepts that
Simon is the one to initiate the kiss
He also leaves Wille without talking about it
Episode 5
(7:55) - The classroom
Our second lack of communication
Wille believing that their kiss means that they are on good terms, when Simon is still just as confused, as a result of them not yet discussing it
We also have Simon shutting down when Wille asks if something happened, where before he had answered
(8:45) - The music room
Once again, we have Wille reaching out to see if Simon is okay or why he is upset (this is Wille explicitly trying to have good, open communication with Simon)
Simon is once again brutally honest about his feelings in the moment (“It feels like when you enter the picture, everything I do turns into a problem.”) Which isn’t fair to Wille, but it is how Simon feels
Now Wille is searching for clarification of the results of the kiss, through explaining his own assumptions
(also to note: “You… we kissed each other.” he is intentionally taking part of the blame, as opposed to just blaming Simon for what happened.)
Simon clarifies that it’s about more than the kiss and tells Wille why he is upset (can’t sing his song, no association w/ Wille)
Wille states that this isn’t his fault, and it’s not, but Simon explains the reason is still because of Wille (“The song is about you.”)
Simon brings up some of what is probably an older truth: “How long will I be punished for the video?”
He then assumes that Wille hasn’t had problems because of the video
Wille is, again, defensive
Simon turns around to acknowledge that things were bad “for a while” but again assumes that just since he hasn’t seen it, that Wille isn’t still affected
Wille tells him that he doesn’t know how he’s been affected by it
Now he tries to direct Simon’s anger towards who posted it, since they are the one at fault
Simon does acknowledge that as well, but makes it clear he’s still getting the majority of the shit for it
Simon expresses his thoughts on the kiss now (“[it] was a mistake.”) and tries to leave
Finally, we have Wille telling Simon who posted the video!
Wille tries to explain what has been done as punishment
Simon asks when Wille found out. He doesn’t answer.
Simon asks that he didn’t want to tell him. Wille says he did, but tries to justify why he didn’t (“I was trying to protect you.”)
Simon expresses what he has assumed of Wille’s actions (“You were protecting him.”)
Wille explains why Simon’s plan wouldn’t work (August’s protections)
Simon is getting angry. He points out the way Wille is separating himself from the others (the Royal Court)
Simon tells Wille how he’s acting just like his mother. He leaves.
Wille tries to stop him, because he wants to talk it out as opposed to leaving it on bad terms, but he doesn’t stop. Wille still let’s him walk away.
(25:09) - Outside Simon’s house (gods i love this scene)
Wille opens with an apology. This shows that he knows he hurt Simon by not telling him before, and he’s acknowledging that hurt.
Then we have Wille explaining the ENTIRE situation, as he knows it, as well as the most likely results of each option AND how he personally feels
Simon looks for clarification that this isn’t Wille trying to convince him not to
Wille says no. Tells him it’s his choice.
“I just wanted you to know. This is the situation. This is how I feel.” HOW CAN YOU SAY “THEY HAVE BAD COMMUNICATION” AFTER HEARING THAT?? sorry
(30:01) - In the study group
Communication through book analysis <3
Someone else put this much better than I can ( @stygianirondiangelo !!!) , but basically it’s Wille acknowledging his mistakes and how they were affected by his title and how it hurt Simon, and Simon acknowledging that Wille’s background is important and it’s hard
“Not everything is bad.”
(34:11) - Study group
Simon is forthright with Wille about his decision
(36:05) - From the classroom
Simon directly asks if Wille is mad at him for his decision
(36:43) - Wille’s room
Now we have Simon checking in on how Wille is feeling (I think… this is the first time all season)
Wille is honest about both reasons he didn’t feel well (the speech and August)
Simon makes it clear that it isn’t to hurt Wille
Wille acknowledges that, and further explains that he isn’t trying to change Simon’s mind. That it is Simon’s choice.
Wille also admits to being afraid anyway, because of what it means
Simon validates that and let’s Wille know that he’s not alone in the fear
“What will happen to us?” “I don’t know.” (a question that should have been asked at the end of episode 4. I digress.)
But now we have Wille looking for a clear direction and wanting them to be on the same page, paired with Simon’s raw honesty of not knowing and not pretending he does
Episode 6
(00:14) - Wille’s room
Clear communication from Simon as to when he’s meeting his mother, and that he has something else to do, even if he doesn’t say what
SAME PAGE
(12:40) - Outside the school
Wille’s immediate reaction to August’s threats is to tell Simon everything August had told him
SAME. PAGE. Again. Wille is no longer keeping any of this from Simon
(13:38) - The hallway in Forest Ridge and the shooting range
Wille and Simon are both going to confront August together, as opposed to Wille trying to handle it or “protect” Simon
(18:10) - Road to Hillerska
This is communication, too
Wille is asking Simon to wait because Wille wants to talk it through
But Simon tells Wille “I just want to go home” and Wille lets him
(side note: Simon needs space after conflict while Wille wants to talk it through so it doesn’t stay)
(32:19) - In their hallway
Simon starts by expressing his feelings on the situation
“I want to be with you.” Now Simon is clearly stating what he wants, and further clarifies that he fully understands what that entails but he still wants it
“I love you.” Again, making his feelings perfectly clear.
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Tatort Saarbrücken/Ace Attorney parallels
To celebrate less than two weeks until FdG airs, I finally took the time to proofread this text about parallels between Ace Attorney and Tatort Saarbrücken that I wrote almost a year ago and then somehow forgot to post. Enjoy!
I have recently noticed that there are a lot of parallels between the relationship between Miles Edgeworth and Phoenix Wright, and the story of Adam Schürk and Leo Hölzer, so I decided to write them down. I have no idea if there is any overlap between these fandoms at all, so probably no one else will care about this but whatever. This should go without saying, but this has spoilers for the first Ace Attorney game, and the first three episodes of Tatort Saarbrücken. I’m also aware that all of these overlaps are most likely a coincidence, but I wanted to compile them anyway, because I thought that it was really interesting, and maybe someone else will think so, too.
You may ask: Who are these people? I will try to summarise their stories first, and I will go into more detail later:
Let’s start with Phoenix and Miles: They were in the same class when they were nine years old and became friends after Phoenix was accused of stealing someone’s lunch money, when Miles was the first one (and together with Larry the only one) to stand up for him and defended him in the subsequent class trial. A few months after that, Miles’ father Gregory, a defense attorney, is murdered and Miles vanishes (he is adopted by Manfred von Karma and presumably moved to Germany, but Phoenix doesn’t know that). Years later, Phoenix reads a newspaper article about Miles becoming a prosecutor, and he decides to become a defense attorney to meet him and find out what happened to him.
They meet again when Miles prosecutes Phoenix’s second case as a defense attorney after not having seen each other for 15 years. After working two cases together, Miles is arrested as a murder suspect, and Phoenix defends him in court, even though no one else wants to defend him and he is almost the only one who is on his side. In this trial, he finds out that Manfred von Karma, the prosecutor in the current case, murdered Miles’ father 15 years ago after he got a penalty because of him. Then, he decided to adopt and mentor Miles, only to frame him for murder 15 years later as an elaborate revenge on Miles’ father. By uncovering this, Phoenix saves Miles from being convicted for murder.
Now to Adam and Leo: They became friends after Adam defended Leo from bullies at school. Adam’s father was physically abusive towards him and beat him regularly. One day, he catches Adam and Leo hanging out together and beats Adam up so badly that Leo thinks that he’s going to kill him, and decides to step in by hitting him on the head with a spade. Adam’s father falls into a coma, and Leo and Adam burn the garage to hide the crime. A few months after that, Adam vanishes, apparently leaving Leo to think that he has died.
Later, they both become police officers, Adam in Berlin and Leo in Saarbrücken. Adam returns to Saarbrücken, and they reunite after 15 years. After they worked on two cases together, Adam is arrested because he is suspected of murdering his father. Leo works hard to investigate his case, even though he technically isn’t allowed to, with their colleagues refusing to help him at one point and maybe even believe that Adam really is guilty. In the end, Leo manages to prove that Adam’s father killed himself and disguised his suicide as a murder to take revenge on Adam and Leo for putting him into a coma 15 years ago.
Sounds familiar? Here are all of the parallels and overlaps between those two stories that I can think of, maybe there are even more that I didn’t catch:
They met and became friends in school. Both pairs only became friends after one defended the other from bullies.
Shortly after something happens to his father, one of them disappears suddenly. Incidentally, in both cases, the one who disappears is the one who saved the other one from bullies.
Adam and Miles disappear after something happens to their father; Adams father falls in a coma, and Miles’ father is murdered
They both reappear after 15 years, during which the other one didn’t know anything about their whereabouts (Phoenix knew that Miles had become a prosecutor, but only a few years before they meet again).
Phoenix and Adam both altered their careers to see the other again; Phoenix starts studying to be a defense attorney after he learnt that Miles became a prosecutor s that they could meet again in the courtroom, and Adam accepted a transfer request back to Saarbrücken.
Both pairs meet again in their workplace, though Adam and Leo work together now, whereas Phoenix and Miles stand on opposite sides of the courtroom.
Not long after they reappear, both Adam and Miles are framed for murder by their abusive father.
The other one fights for them, even though they are (almost) the only person on their side, and everyone else is against them.
Both Adam’s father and Manfred von Karma have committed crimes in the past and framed someone else for it: Manfred killed Miles’ father and both framed the bailiff for it and manipulated Miles to blame himself; Adam’s father robbed banks with a friend, and one of them shot someone in one of these robberies. Said friend took the blame for both the robbing and the shooting, and never revealed the identity of his accomplice to the police.
Tatort Saarbrücken episode 3 is literally Turnabout Goodbyes, the fourth case in the first Ace Attorney game. Miles and Adam are both framed for murder by their father figure as revenge for something that happened in the past. Their respective partner takes their side and fights for them, ultimately revealing their innocence.
They are also both happen after they worked together for two cases.
Again, do I think any of this matters? No, but I realised that these parallels exist and had to get this out of my system. And I had fun writing this. If you notice even more parallels, please share them!
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- Maybe it’s like you said. Maybe there is something out there that explains why, no matter what, I still want to be here with you. I will always ... always ... want to be here with you.
- So what? You’re just gonna ignore everything else? You could be anything, anywhere. Why not go somewhere where your ... where your grandson is more than just ... this?
Everything Everywhere All At Once x One Piece AU
more thoughts under the cut < 3 (includes more explicit spoilers about the movie btw)
I have so many feelings about Garp and Ace’s relationship .... it made me think of parallels between them + Evelyn and Joy in EEAAO
The AU doesn’t follow the movie exactly but Ace become Jobu Topaki-esque because in his universe (the Alphaverse), Luffy actually dies at Marineford instead and that’s what splits his mind across the multiverse. Ace blames both himself and Garp for Luffy’s death, and upon learning about the existence of other universes + giving into his subsequently amplified self-hate, trauma, and nihilism, he starts reaching out to other multiverses to keep himself and Garp away from Luffy out of a deeply misguided desire to protect him.
But much like EEAAO, the reality is that Ace is searching for a Garp in the multiverse that understands his feelings self-hatred and pain and anguish and loss. Removing himself and Garp from Luffy’s life is ultimately secondary to this.
Luffy actually kind of turns out to be the Waymond of this. He is the one, out of his bright optimism and ways he finds happiness in the small things, who shows Garp (and eventually Ace), that there is a life worth living out in the world and there's hope and love out there for them too.
Sabo's also here but he fits multiple roles. Him in the Alphaverse is close to Alphaverse Gong Gong (seeing it necessary to remove/kill Ace for the sake of the multiverse's stability, and so the Everything Bagel doesn't consume everything), but him within the Protagonistverse fills in the role of Waymond as well. Not as much as Luffy, but he does want to save Ace in the Protagonistverse rather than kill him.
The Protagonistverse version (so the version we follow) of Garp, I like to imagine, quit the Marines to raise Ace and Luffy on Dawn, and ofc Sabo showed up along the way. But the sort of Gong Gong-esque force that drives him is the sort of concept of him questioning if it was the right decision to leave the Marines behind and if the Marines ever was actually a good choice in the first place considering how they acted when he decide to retire (also the whole thing of him taking in Ace + having to hide it from them), and him still sort of enforcing his idea of Luffy + Ace (and maybe Sabo idk) becoming Marines, even though he himself isn't one. Because he has an actual presence in Luffy and Ace's lives rather than just Makino or Dadan or even Shanks, they don't actually ever like, leave to become pirates, but they're not Marines either - they're sort of just civilians, which lends itself to a lot of the mundanity + boredom that Ace and Luffy and Sabo experience. But this also makes Ace stew in his feelings of being undeserving of love and his feelings of being a disappointment more since he doesn't meet Whitebeard. Garp, as much as he loves his grandbabies, is an imperfect guardian - his expectations for the boys (either become a Marine or lead a civilian life) do not help Ace at all and it creates conflict between them since they don’t see eye to eye on anything ):
I’m still trying to figure out Protagonistverse Garp’s entire deal so if this point conflicts with the previous one then Oops but like ... he’s dealing with the boys growing up (they’d be the ages they’d be pre-timeskip, so Sabo and Ace are 20 and Luffy’s 17), their desire for independence while simultaneously wanting to stay close with him bc that’s their grandpa yknow?? He’s also still hiding Ace from the Marines (you could even say he’s hiding Luffy from them bc of Dragon, and he’s hiding Sabo from his parents in Goa too) so the idea of them going off on their own could be so terrifying to him. There’s also the matter of him feeling disappointed in himself for not being as good a grandfather as he could’ve been - wondering if he’d raised the boys well - and even like ... the Marine side of things potentially being disappointed or angry at him for trying to raise these boys only for them to become pirates. And kind of like how Evelyn questions her decision to leave her family to be with Waymond, Garp questions his decision to leave the Marines to raise Luffy and Ace and Sabo ..... THERES LAYERS, OKAY.
I’m not sure who the Deirdre of this would be either. I am imagining Sengoku though but the lead up to him showing up in Garp’s life again considering my ideas is up in the air right now. Part of me thinks he’s showing up at Dawn as a half-favor and half-last ditch attempt to get the ASL bros to join the Marines. Like, Sengoku is just generally grumpier than Garp and the idea of the two of them ending up together in other universes is so intriguing to me ... also the exchange in the movie of like “it’s unlovable bitches like us who make the world go ‘round” and then the “you’re not unlovable! there’s always something to love!” ..... but with Garp and Sengoku ..... yeahhhhh. Maybe in this case it’s not a divorce tht leads Sengoku to believe that, but instead its a wedge was driven between him and Rosinante bc he’s putting his Marine duties before his family like Garp had been doing........ hmmmmmm!!!!
I have more thoughts about this AU but this is all I’m gonna write under this lol. I might actually write a fic of this heehee we’ll see! ur free to like, send asks about stuff btw im down to answer any. 🤷
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