#Zutara rant

[thief-of-eggs]

Thinking about Zuko practicing hairstyles on Katara (for both his own benefit, and later to try on Sokka)

Thinking about them slowly but surely bonding through these little shared moments. Talking about their childhoods, their families, their memories.

Thinking about Zuko still asking to do her hair, even well after he’s mastered every style. Thinking about Katara coming to Zuko when she wants her hair done, thinking about her making excuses because she wants the peace that comes with sitting in front of him, closing her eyes as a touch so similar to her mother’s weaves through her hair.

Thinking about Zuko finding the sister he lost in those moments with her. Everything he wished he and Azula could be, he finds in Sokka’s younger sister.

#i just love the mental image of zuko carefully braiding her hair #listening as she rants about whatever she needs off her chest #sokka just loves that they get along #he reallt feared katara would murder him for dating the fire lord #platonic zutara #zuko and katara #atla #avatar the last airbender #zuko #katara #zukka

[survivalove]

blah blah something something about how fandom gravitate towards more individualistic characters because they’re easier to understand compared to community-oriented characters whose character development is very much tied to their culture/nation because understanding a single character is easier to understand than a character AND an entire culture, especially when said culture is based off a marginalized community that exists in real life 🫠 and said fandom is majority WHITE.

#mini rant #fandom problems #aka #atla fandom problems #yes this is about #katara #cuz when am i not talking about katara #and how this fandom does NOT understand her #because y’all don’t bother to learn about the cultures the white men took from for this show #and how katara’s entire character revolves around her community and her role in it #which is also why that horrible ship is allowed to prevail #because this fandom downplays katara’s loyalty to her tribe #and the cultural implications of that ship #anti zutara #anti zutara fandom #the same can be said for zukka before someone brings it up #in fact #anti zukka #when the tags longer than the post #lmao #i’m not even gonna mention who the individualistic characters are because

[piggypie22]

Zukka makes no sense

Ok here we go…I hate zukka. Don’t get me wrong I absolutely have nothing against the people who ship them, you guys are alright. It’s just so…random. Like where in the world did this ship come from. They basically had that ONE episode, which mind you contains not even an ounce of romantic tension, in which Zuko helps Sokka rescue his dad and-wait-what’s that? Oh yeah his GIRLFRIEND! (Yes, I talking about the girlfriend Sokka is crazy in love with.) So basically zukka is built without a base foundation, it was pulled out of thin air. It is also common in this ship for Zuko to be portrayed as a uwu femboy and honestly completely out of character, if you watched one episode of Atla you would know he is the literal opposite. It is mainly shipped because people see two attractive men and go feral. I know that some people ship it because of the “red/blue” trope or the “enemies to lovers” trope, but you know what? Zutara does that. And it does it so much better.(they actually have chemistry and romantic subtext, what a concept). With this in mind I have seen SOOOOO much hate for the ship that makes sense: Zutara. Compared to its baseless counter part, which everyone seems to love and seen as the “pure ship” I just don’t get it.

If I get hate for this don’t care, I just telling the facts.

#anti zukka #zutara #atla zuko #avatar the last airbender #sokka #rant post

[blluespirit]

was going through my drafts and uhhhh she had some points 💅

#if maiko is endgame in canon they HAVE to do better. they have to otherwise i am going to throw myself off of a building #in fact every ship needs to be better #canon ships tend to fall on their face #like look at kataang #this isn’t like hate i just think it’s written badly #where’s the chemistry???????? #katara consistently has more chemistry with zuko lol and im not a zutara stan 💀 #if you disagree that’s ok i am just having a rant #anti maiko #zuko #mai #main series #jack talks

[psychicpinenut]

bunch of antis clogging up the tags i need you to get the fuck out of here it's zutara month

#zutara #i was just trying to look through the tags and instead it's a bunch of insane people rambling their insane little rants like hfdghcjgvhj

[helloimamistake]

Ngl some people on the atla (especially those who have extreme dislike to zutara) tend to not really care about the development that zutara have gotten

Some of them be thinking that katara hating zuko's ass 24/7 is a their character ENTIRE canon dynamic.. While their not wrong katara was a massive zuko hater (due to his betrayal and of course it's understandable)

But they do know they overcome that dynamic as the shows go on right? Like especially after the southern raider episode she's less bitter and less of a huge hater to his ass.. Because she FORGIVE him, and she comforts him when he doesn't know whether his worthy of his uncle's forgiveness and help him fight his mentally unstable sister AFTER she forgive him..

Sorry i just want to rant for a bit since i just saw a non-zutara shipper claiming that katara WOULD ALWAYS hate and be bitter of zuko's ass (and then they would be like "aNd ThAt's WhY kAtAaNg/zUkKa/mAiKo Is BeTtEr" bluh bluh) .. Like her forgiving him especially after the show ended doesn't exist anymore

Im honestly convinced that they just say that to say that zutara shippers are delusional mfrs that doesn't understand them ig

(Excuse my ranting 😔✌)

#zutara #zuko x katara #katara x zuko #anti anti zutara #atla zutara #atla rant

[quillthrillswriting]

why does katara having children with aang mean she's "just" a "baby incubator"?? has no one considered that sometimes people...have kids...because they're in love? because they care for one another? because they want a family? calling katara just a baby incubator is crazy and kinda revealing of how often women are reduced to their reproductive systems :( makes me sad to see.

she is a powerful and complex female character, and she got a life with a man she loves and children she cares about- however, i do absolutely agree that the description of their relationship in tlok is not fair to her or their children. i don't feel like this portrayal is even accurate to how their relationship would have been:(

thats why i like looking at the show and wondering how it could've been a different way! that's what fanfic is for:) so i totally get why zutara fans can look at the show and wonder "hmm, i wonder how i could get creative and change things up in an au where zuko and katara end up together".

why can't some people ship zutara and some people ship kataang without any of this feuding or insulting of characters like katara? i love zuko as a character and can absolutely appreciate some good zutara fanfics. we don't need to do this massive ship battle thing, please!!! it's an animated kids tv show. its beloved, its amazing, for sure, but nothing is ever this deep!!! literally no need to do this!!! live & let live!!!

#kataang #kataang zutara neutrality #atla #avatar the last airbender #atla aang #atla katara #atla zuko #katara can be a mum!! katara can want children out of love! #atla rant #atla opinions #kataang opinions #zutara opinions #quillthrillsatlatalk

[tachiha3]

So I just wanna vent, okay? Cause I need to study and I can't concentrate.

Warning : Garbled mess ahead

Why is it almost always that whenever someone is 'critical' of the fact that the show didn't represent Katara's grief properly, it always either puts down kataang, or tear down her relationship with every character while [subtly] leaving out Zuko?

I am writing this cuz I just saw some folks discussing that how Katara is always expected to look pretty and never disheveled and how Aang only appreciates her when she looks pretty.

And I'm like... Did we all just collectively forget about this scene?

Yes. I am aware she doesn't look like exactly "disheveled" but Aang literally died... and neither does he.

And the whole episode of the chase exists.

Also, why are we only talking about Katara when other characters also didn't get to express their 'not pretty' looks and the times it was shown was to make fun of the characters. For half of the show, Sokka's entire appearance is shown to be comical. Toph's bed look in the tales of ba sing se is also shown as funny. THE WHOLE EPISODE OF 'nightmares and daydreams' was to make a joke out of Aang's paranoia and sleep deprivation. The cartoon's not gonna be completely realistic! Cuz if that was the case, Zuko would have died in the second episode from the hard metal walls and reduced air pressure when Aang repeatedly slammed him across the room.

And about how Aang only compliments Katara when she looks pretty.

My dog ate all the scenes when he praised her for getting a waterbending move.

Aliens abducted the scene where he cheered her on for her fight with Pakku.

I completely imagined the scene where he said, "I was gone. But you brought me back... You saved me."

#rant post #aang defense squad #kataang defense squad #and let's play safe again #anti zutara #antizutara #anti momtara #katara m- NOPE #my post

[survivalove]

hii what type of tropes do u think katara fits ?? and what type of tropes do u think her character subverts ??

Hi anon! I’m not gonna lie this is a heavy topic which has been weighing on my mind ever since my Katara rant a few days ago. Tbh, I wasn’t going to make a post about this, just cuz I feel like maybe I talk too much 😂 but you just gave me the perfect excuse so here we go:

1. Girls are Healers, not Fighters

I want to start this off with the issue of misogyny in the Northern Water Tribe and how the fandom discusses Katara’s portrayal in LoK. First of all, the NWT not allowing girls to fight is misogyny and Pakku telling Katara to “go in the healing hut with the other women” very much sounds like “go in the kitchen where you belong”. This is something everyone understands.

However, I think we start losing the plot when people only focus on this aspect and ironically parrot the same misogyny when they talk about female healers in the franchise and in media. Let’s look at Yagoda. Yagoda is a recognized master. She doesn’t teach in her house, her kitchen or her bedroom. She teaches in a school alongside other master healers and students. When the Yue was stillborn, who did her family turn to at first? Pakku? No, the healers. During the civil war, did Katara just sit at home twiddling her fingers like so many in the fandom would have you believe? No, she was single-handedly healing dozens of rebels in her White Lotus outpost. The importance of female healers in the franchise and media in general should not be diminished when speaking out against this misogynistic trope. I just had to get that out of the way.

So, how does ATLA subvert this trope with Katara? They show her developing her healing abilities alongside her fighting skills. One does not hinder the other. When Katara discovers her healing ability, she gains respect for possessing a talent so rare and revered, by a man originally from the nation that wiped out the male and female waterbenders of her tribe. When Katara saves Aang’s life, the most important moment in the entire show IMO, in the same episode, she is also shown facing off a major enemy in battle and winning. These two sides of her are constantly shown in balance to the fullest extent of her power, without one skill being diminished to highlight the other.

2. The Hero’s Girl

I think this is another trope that’s prevalent in media, particularly shonen animes which ATLA gets compared to so often. A lot of times these female love interests are never in the main story without the main male character. They seemingly have a one-sided crush, fall apart at his feet, interacts with him only when he needs her (and only him), and can sometimes be a pick-me when it comes to any competing female characters. I think a lot of people see Katara this way solely because she gets with Aang in the end, when this does not even come close to how she is portrayed.

Katara is an extremely developed character. Her arc is largely independent of Aang even though there are so many parallels between the two. Katara initially sees Aang as just a friend and even when she starts seeing him as a potential love interest, she’s not begging him to notice her or accept her affections. She gets jealous but isn’t competing with anyone for his attention for long and she has relationships with other characters that further the story whether Aang is there or not. She doesn’t exist solely to be with him, in fact she even teaches him. Katara and Aang being endgame is not integral to either one of their stories. They don’t agree with each other all the time and when he pushes their romance too far, she isn’t framed in a negative light for rebuffing his affections. No one in the narrative forces her to be with Aang because he’s the Avatar for status, or anything else. Love is not her biggest priority and she chooses to put off her romantic feelings until the war ends.

Now does she get jealous of other girls who seem to like Aang as well? Yes. Does she cry and get emotional when something happens to him? Yes. Does she spend an episode pestering the fortuneteller about her future husband and get excited at the idea of falling in love? Lol yeah. Does she blush and hug and kiss Aang often? Literally every other episode. But that’s not all there is to her or their dynamic. I think some people often overemphasize the fact that Aang and Katara do get together in the end and act like it automatically voids the rest of her development in canon when it really doesn’t. Like I said in another post, I know a lot of Katara stans that don’t ship her with anyone or can discuss her character at great length without mentioning romance. People who choose to focus on her ending up with the hero to ‘defend’ her are more doing her a disservice if you ask me.

3. One-Dimensional Female Characters

This sort of ties into everything I just said and is also something the franchise achieves with all the female characters, but even more-so with Katara. Katara has several behaviors that directly contradict her general personality traits:

In the Chase, Katara lectures Toph about the importance of doing chores and being a team player and in the same episode, insults her, picks fights with her to the point she leaves the group entirely.

Katara loves her brother and always cheers him up when he’s feeling him down, but she still will tease and pick on him, and on a darker note, lashes out at him in the Southern Raiders when he doesn’t tell her what she wants to hear.

Katara turns up her nose at the wrestling tournament they find Toph in and winces as she attacks The Earth King’s soldiers, but still partakes in fighting the war because it’s for the greater good.

Katara from a young age had to take up the societal expectations that her mother would have had in her family and in her tribe, but is still a child and often takes delight in activities children enjoy, as she should.

The point is, Katara isn’t one-dimensional. There are a lot of contradictions within her that are usually juxtaposed one after the other. Yet, most viewers can only focus on one side at a time, usually choosing to focus on the negative aspects of her character. They will complain about her being motherly as if she never has fun. They will focus on the one time she was out of line with Sokka just to attack her character. They will cry she was too hard on Zuko, after 2.5 seasons of him chasing them down.

Most annoying of all, they will compare her to other female characters who are less hypocritical in nature and, in my opinion, simply not as complex as Katara. Don’t even get me started on how community is such an integral part of Katara, Sokka and Aang’s characters and how their character development often get overlooked in favor of characters with more individualistic and straightforward narratives. But this is about Katara.

Katara is an unapologetically feminine character that is sweet and kind without serving some villainous agenda that gives her a reason to be on par with the male characters when it comes to fighting skill. Her strength gets questioned in ways that Azula, Toph, Mai and Ty Lee’s do not. She subverts a lot of misogynistic tropes that a lot of 2000s female love interests in media suffered from and still do. She’s a very difficult character for most people to wrap their heads around, simply because she doesn’t stick to the script that most fmcs who look and act like her, do.

If we pretend she’s not fictional for two seconds, Katara is a hypocrite and hello? Who isn’t. It’s human nature for people to change their minds or do things that don’t really match up with that they’re say about. People who get mad at Katara for this, are essentially saying they’re mad because she’s not a flat character and they don’t even realize it. Her contradictions aren’t just one-off moments and her grief over her mother’s death isn’t something she only brings up once or twice. These occur over and over again because she is the other main character and with that comes a lot more screentime for her to be hypocritical, grow and show development to a level that the other female characters can’t.

#atla #katara #my asks #atla critical #katara defense squad #pro katara #wow #why are my katara rants always so long #i’m so sorry #those fans reblogging me again #so i’m putting the tags #antizutara #anti zutara #anti zuko #kataang

[punkeropercyjackson]

Boutta check in my brutal honesty autism card and say that Hobie's big ass crush on Gwen was NOT subtle at all,he was being so classic 'cocky flirty punk dude' with her and gave her his sweater to borrow which is like the biggest unspoken 'i wanna be your boyfriend' move in the book,and neither was the (probably) accidental subtext of him liking Miles too that follows 'edgy and hardcore boy who's actually a huge softie has a thing for the cutesy and innocent ray of sunshine and is more protective and complimentary towards them than he is anyone else to show it' to a fuckin' T4T and the only reason people don't read it as either is that he's super handsome so they decided that meant he's a grown man instead of the cute lil black boy he is

#guys i'm so tired of people pushing the 'hobie and gwen are siblings-coded' and especially fucking 'gwen is hobie's kid' agendas on my posts #i KNOW gwobie is a rarepair cause hobie's afro seeing as every 'alternative cool guy love interest for the fem mc' ship blows the tf up #(looking at you zuko and katara who were ever even canon on either side-this is why i'm one of the biggest anti zutara advocators) #for hobiemiles.they are every trope you guys love including the one i mentioned but also pulling a korrasami height difference #the weird 'british x american' obsession thingy musician x artist the one person who was there for you when everyone else betrayed you etc #they are literally both such fanfic shit but hobie's black and not comic relief so erm ackstually he can't realistic be a kid-BLOW ME #oh okay my tag rants are back good to know lol #hobie brown #gwen stacy #miles morales #hobie brown deserves better #ghostpunk #punkflower #ghostflower #ghostpunkflower #atsv #spiderman #trans hobie brown #transmasc or transfem or transneutral or secret fourth things you pick #team dad hobie #autistic hobie brown #black gwen stacy #autistic gwen stacy #autistic miles #kidcore!miles morales #pastel punk miles morales #antiblackness #adultification tw #gamerpunk #summerposting

[dattuff]

I can understand not liking how KA was built up/ developed in the story. But saying it’s problematic to then shipping ZK out of everything is the dumbest thing ever.

And the argument is always centered around “aang being an incel”, “aang being an abuser” which is quite literally the opposite of his character.

In those ZK fanfics it’s basically just OC stories bc how out of character everyone is. Zuko in those fanfics is literally just canon Aang, Katara is some damsel in distress who needs zuko to save her, Aang is an abuser, and Mai is like some jealous alcoholic. Just idiotic character writing idc what anyone says. How is that enjoyable.

Objectively speaking zuko has done way worse things than aang it’s not even debatable. But ZKs act like he’s some soft boy that never does any wrong.

Even at the peak of his time redemption zuko still has selfish tendencies. For example in (B3E16) he 1. Acts like he deserves katara’s forgiveness just because the others forgive him, 2. Creates this plan of her needing revenge even though he really knows nothing about her and ultimately only doing for his peace of mind and to get her to forgive him quicker. And last of all 3. Mocking Aangs culture and implying they didn’t have realistic ideals. It’s insane for him to do that considering his family is the direct reason of their death; it would be 100% justifiable if aang would’ve gotten mad at him for it.

There’s no evidence to think or even imply KA is more problematic than ZK.

#anti zutara #kataang #aang x katara #katara #aang #pro aang #rant

[longing-for-rain]

Not people comparing Katara splashing some water on Zuko and yelling at him to Ozai violently disfiguring Zuko’s face with fire today, no no no… why do you all hate Katara so much I swear—

#fandom salt #zuko #katara #zutara #atla #ozai #rant

[meitanteisachi]

watching ATLA live action and i am reliving my zuko loving, zutara shipping era

#hello HAHAH #actually more of zuko loving #i'm reminded of how much i love zuko's entire story idk man #it's giving todoroki (not updated with bn/ha sadly) #a child who saw the cruelty of the world at such young age #his journey to regain his honor sure but also for his father's attention #he didnt know better he just wanted to be happy with his family ugh huhu #but its hard when spite runs deep in the blood of ppl closest to u #inadvertently you adopt it too #nevertheless he had uncle iroh #his relationship with uncle iroh is damn precious ;w; #uncle iroh one of the best characters in atla tbh #antagonist displaying empathy and morality = chef's kiss <3 #anw the zutara thing is just minor BUT #i saw this twitter post showing zutara and p&p parallels #HAHAHA I LOVE #enemies-to-lovers trope superior in this house amirite #gisa rants #gisa's fandom life

[iolaussharpe-24]

Am I just a delusional shipper or does this feel like it should have been a thing?

Spoilers for Gargoyles (1972) ahead.

"Go on, your voice pleases me."

"'The sin was not my own, but forced upon me by the incubus; who overnight did slip into my bedchamber and taunt and seduce me with demon's promises until I was as if on fire. He was of uncommon height and finely built. A devil's face of frightful beauty that did put me in a spell. I had no will of my own, but did let the incubus do his will until I was driven mad.'"

Those are actual lines out of the movie. I didn't paraphrase. At all. I played the scene where she was reading out of the book, and typed every word she said. This is a movie about demons who "sometimes take human women" who are trying to conquer the world. Also, in this movie, the gargoyles with wings are the breeders. This one says as much. He was basically the leader. His reaction to being told that he's lost is literally, "Not as long as there are two winged breeders."

Also, the way the gargoyle acts when he first sees Diana just SCREAMS "shipping fuel". If this were written in the modern day, they would have done it. You can't convince me otherwise. You know why I say that?

BECAUSE THE 90s DID IT!!!

I don't care that these two stories have nothing to do with one another. This is a really good comparison. And, even if it wasn't, I have plenty of fuel for this fire. (I don't even need my usual go-to of vampire movies to prove this point.)

Diana and The Gargoyle fit into two categories that I love and frequently ship. Hero/Villain (though I guess this is more damsel/villain) and Human/Monster. I'm going to give examples from both categories that I will die shipping. (They overlap quite a bit, actually.)

Jareth the Goblin King x Sarah Williams

Katara x Prince Zuko

Rey x Kylo Ren/Ben Solo

Vlad Dracula x Mina Murray/Mina Harker

Erik x Christine Daaé

Batman/Bruce Wayne x Catwoman/Selina Kyle

Elisa Esposito x The Amphibian Man

Catherine Chandler x Vincent

So, with all that context in mind,

DOES THIS REALLY LOOK LIKE THAT MUCH OF A STRETCH?!?!

#gargoyles #shipping #rant #canon ship #fanon ship #canon and fanon #hero x villain #human x monster #gargoyles 1972 #disney gargoyles #goliath x elisa #labyrinth #jareth x sarah #avatar the last airbender #zutara #star wars sequel trilogy #reylo #bram stocker's dracula #dracula x mina #the phantom of the opera 2004 #erik x christine #batman 89 #batman 66 #the dark knight #batman x catwoman #the shape of water #elisa x amphibian man #beauty and the beast 1987 #catherine x vincent #im insane

[w1ldfeatherxx]

Sometimes it's better that your favorite character doesn't appear anymore or your favorite ship doesn't become canon, because who knows what the writers would've turned them into? Your favorite character / ship could have been ruined so badly you couldn't stand them anymore. It's better to feel a bit disappointed for a while instead of having your favorites butchered.

#warrior cats #atla #fandom stuff #fandom #warrior cats fandom #avatar the last airbender #warriors #fandom thoughts #fandom takes #rant #personal rant #zutara #scourge #scourge warriors #scourge warrior cats #katara #aang #zuko #katara x zuko #atla fandom

[the-badger-mole]

Y'all...sometimes this fandom is a trip! It is kind of funny to me how hard people go defending Aang. Okay, you like him. Fine. You didn't sell your soul to him. If someone disagrees with you, is that the end of your world? Does it ruin your enjoyment of the series to know that someone- anyone- doesn't like your fave?

I feel sorry for you. I don't know why my personal opinions affect your enjoyment, just know that is not my intent. But I still hate Aang. So, so much. And hey, all the haters don't stop me from enjoying the crap out of Zutara 😉

#atla #anti aang #aang is trash #people only give him a pass because he's got funny ears and bright smile #he's proof that you can get away with anything with the right amount of cheerfulness #it's ALWAYS aang hate o'clock over here #he is my least favorite character #not my least favorite hero #my LEAST. FAVORITE. CHARACTER #if that's a problem for you block me #i don't hate aang because i ship zutara #i hate aang because he sucks #also hating him is fun #zutara #don't mind me just having a bit of a rant #THE YEAR OF CONTENT!!!!