#But for that to be the case... it wouldn't make sense for Josh to have just randomly killed John before this scene. I think it's a more

[drconstellation]

Aziraphale-Beelzebub Parallels

Aziraphale's Edinburgh Journey: Part 2

I've already written a series on how Crowley and Gabriel act as parallels and foils to each other in S2. Their other halves - their partners - also act as each other's parallels. I mentioned this briefly in the second post in that series, but here we need to expand on this.

We also need to talk about Maggie.

I think most people identify that there is good case for a many parallels between Aziraphale and Maggie as well. But when you consider Aziraphale-Beelzebub-Maggie together in a character triangle, Maggie suddenly starts to make a lot more sense. And I believe there is one more peculiar element thrown in that she is reflecting back to us as well about Aziraphale that has made her particularly hard to understand on top of all that.

But let's look at the Aziraphale-Beelzebub related parallels first.

They hold the highest ranking position

Beezlebub holds the highest ranking position in Hell under Satan, as the Grand Duke. They leave a vacancy at the end of the series, that we are yet to see filled.

For most of S2 the Supreme Archangel is missing - and it is only right at the end that we see Aziraphale step up and accept the offered role.

Two things to mention here:

One might argue that the Metatron is higher in ranking than the Supreme Archangel, but for purposes of this discussion he doesn't seem to have much to do with the day-to-day running of things like the Supreme Archangel would. Gabriel was also the one who appeared on the tarmac at Tadfield Airbase opposite Beelzebub when things weren't going to plan in S1.

Secondly, this is where I would like to start introducing the concept that we are being shown Aziraphale's future story in S2. Such as Aziraphale's future role as Supreme Archangel, however long he holds on to it.

I don't know how difficult it will be to demonstrate this as we go along from here, but I'm going to try and point out places where I think we are being shown glimpses of the future - foreshadowing - and a lot of them come through Maggie. Not all, though, there are exceptions, but we'll discuss them in due course. Such as in the next parallel.

They need words of affirmation

Crowley isn't the most loquacious character but he's not shy of boosting his angel's ego when it's needed. Whether it's encouraging Aziraphale to go big on stage in 1941 or supporting his detective efforts in Edinburgh Crowley is still going to put in a good word or two for Aziraphale's sake.

AZIRAPHALE: [over phone]: I think I've found some clues. And do you remember the statue of Gabriel in the graveyard in Edinburgh? I'm looking at it now. CROWLEY: Mmm, good job. AZIRAPHALE: Oh, do you really think so?

We know Beelzebub needs words of affirmation as well because they ask Demon Josh this:

BEELZEBUB: Do you ever think, wouldn't it just be nice if someone told you what a good job you're doing? DEMON JOSH: In hell? BEELZEBUB: Yeah.

Hang on, just a minute...Demon Josh...?

The demon who appears to be acting as the Personal Assistant/Secretary to the Grand Duke of Hell?

There is an old thread that points out that Greasy Johnson's name is basically another form of Jesus Christ. The TL:DR version is that Joshua aka Oily Josh is another form of Jesus.

So Beelzebub has Demon Jesus as her assistant.

Remember I was trying to tell you we are seeing future echoes of Aziraphale's story in S3 here? Jesus as the right hand of the Supreme Archangel, perhaps?

They give gifts

A S1 crossover, Beelzebub gives Gabriel the Tardis-like fly storage container, and Aziraphale gives Crowley the thermos of holy water in 1967 to stop the crazy caper he was planning to steal some. Both acts were done unprompted at the time.

They enjoy music

We've seen Aziraphale with his phonograph in action several times, and in S2E1 we see him in the midst of listening to the Shostakovitch records he got from Maggie when the arrival of Gabriel interrupts him.

We learn Beelzebub also has an ear for a good tune when they mention they like the song they hear in the American bar during the recap scenes of their meetings with Gabriel in S2E6.

They make an offer of "betterment" to Crowley

Beelzebub's offer to Crowley that he could be a Duke of Hell if he finds Gabriel for them, all while he is lounging across the two horned thrones in S2E1, is widely seen as a prominent piece of foreshadowing for S3.

Really, the only question should be is will that be just a plain Duke or will he somehow end up in the Grand Duke of Hell position opposite of Aziraphale?

Aziraphale also made an offer to Crowley - to restore him to angelic status.

At the time, neither offer was accepted with any enthusiasm - especially the latter.

They have a date at Gabriel's statue

I have pointed out elsewhere that this is a triple-parallel with a shot from Before the Beginning, but then I remembered that the parallel with Aziraphale looking jealously at angel!Crowley was written after this date pair with Gabriel's statue.

I intend to talk about the significance of the statue in Part 4: Judgement Day, as it makes a bridge between all three seasons and it needs some thorough and lengthy discussion around it.

They go to the pub

This is another triple-parallel between the two pairs. (I think @kayleefansposts first brought this up but I can't find the post it comes from now, even though it wasn't that long ago.)

First, they both meet in a cafe:

Then they meet in a pub:

And lastly, they meet - well, lets say with alcohol on the table and an option of food?

Their partners make a reference to the absurd creativity of humanity

For some time I wondered why when Crowley came back from the pub with Aziraphale, he plucked the Jane Austen off the shelf and shouted that inane line at humanity: "You people, I will never get the hang of you lot."

Eventually I realized it was a parallel moment to when just before Gabriel miracles the jukebox in the Resurrectionist to play Every Day the first time.

GABRIEL: What's that? BARTENDER: A classic 1960s jukebox. You don't see many of them these days. You just put your money in and tell it what you want to hear. GABRIEL: Oh… You people. Amazing. [hands over money] [miracles] Ha!

Both incidences are inspired by their partners - Aziraphale inspires Crowley to look for Austen's novels and Gabriel miracles the jukebox to play the music that Beelzebub likes.

Their partners accidentally leave them on their own

Crowley was only going to take the human shopkeepers to safety, then return - but he got sidetracked with Muriel all the way up to Heaven. Thinking he would be back soon, Aziraphale didn't plan very far ahead, and that eventually led to a problem - and a long, anxious wait for the demon's return.

On his way out of Heaven, Gabriel was on his way to Hell and Beelzebub - we presume. But as soon as he put himself in the fly, he forgot, and headed to the next most memorable location in his remaining working neurons, which happened to be on Earth. Beelzebub was left wondering where he was - and very alone down there in Hell while their minions were out searching for him. @noneorother shows what happens to the thrones while they wait.

So, about Maggie, then...

Understanding Aziraphale and Beelzebub as a parallel pair helps us to understand Maggie a little better, as Maggie is actually a mix of the two characters, reflecting both of them back at the same time. I think that is why she sometimes seems like an angel and a demon at the same time - because she actually is!

I believe this would also explain the "ugrency" spelling mistake, as well as putting an emphasis on the word urgency itself for us. What is becoming urgent?

For example, Maggie always wears a combination of colours from both characters. Here we can Maggie is wearing Beelzebub's signature colours of orange and light blue, but with a white background as the angelic component.

At the ball, she wears a blue blouse - blue is a colour associated with Heaven - but its a dark, demonic shade of blue.

She tries to give a gift to Nina, that doesn't quite work, but the thought and effort is there. She's very forgiving. And she says she says she'll still be there when Nina is ready to start seeing her again; she's reflecting the future Aziraphale to us.

She doesn't want to leave the scene of danger with Crowley when its offered (sounds familiar, doesn't it? Let's go to Alpha Centauri - No! I Can't!)

She's done with being scared, she's ready to stand up and be brave and fight.

She doesn't want to leave Aziraphale on his own (even though Aziraphale still has faith Crowley will turn up any minute now and have a plan - !!) She comes up with ideas on how to fight back. This is someone who steps forward and takes control. These all look like future echoes and set-ups for parallels in S3 to me.

There's another line that no one ever talks about that I've always thought was a foreshadowing line that Crowley says to Nina:

NINA: He's never hosted a meeting, ever. Why the change of heart? CROWLEY: He's unpredictable. He's discovered his civic obligations.

The parallel to this comes from Maggie, when Crowley goes to tell her its time for the meeting/Ball, she says she never misses a meeting. If that's not part of fulfilling your "civic obligations" I don't know what is.

If there was one aspect of Beelzebub I would perhaps just mention here briefly, but not discussing at length because I want to do it elsewhere again as well, is that they twice show restraint of their power and authority - they don't pull Crowley in for punishment as a traitor, even though they could (they pulled him down to Hell for a chat pretty easily) and they don't bother to rip out Demon Josh's tongue and send him to the dung heaps that day for being talkative and annoying, even though we get the impression it happens on a regular basis. In contrast, Aziraphale and Maggie both step up a bit and take some authority on themselves towards the end.

The lists above are not exhaustive of all the parallels between the three characters, but I hope it helps to get you started in thinking about them in a different way to how you might have been.

Next we try to tie the past<-present->future parallels together as we start getting our hands dirty.

The other posts in this series can be found here:

Part 1: Detective Aziraphale Part 3: Stocktaking in the Basement Part 4: Judgement Day Part 5: I Know Where I'm Going

#good omens #good omens 2 #good omens meta #aziraphale #beelzebub #maggie #demon josh #duke of hell crowley #oily josh #supreme archangel aziraphale #you people #i wont leave you on your own #discovering your civic duties #staying behind to die bravely #he's unpredictable

[hauntedcheesecakewizard]

The tempation to write an until dawn fic of Josh somehow regaining his clarity after he became a wendigo.

He still has urges, but he can hold them back better. Chris provides him with raw stakes and other things from the local butchers. (In my local butcher, you can buy lamb innards for whatever. Scottish dishes, dog food, flavour additives etc etc)

His mental clarity varies from day to day, so Chris came up with a system. Josh will text him a number from 1 to 10 every morning. 1 being "I want to rip someone's throat out" and 10 being "I feel like normal Josh." Chris knows to be worried if the number goes below 5. If Josh hits a 1, Chris needs to lock him in his room for both their safety until he's calmed down.

Thanks to the curse, Josh's eyesight is blurred, but he's not completely blind. He can sense moment better and has inpecible reflexes. He's super fast and agile, hanging from anything and everything to jumpscare Chris, much to his dismay. His teeth are jagged and deformed, severely affecting his speech and ability to show his expressions. He's not nonverbal. It just takes a while to get it out. He can't go outside much due to his condition, and with how popular his court case became, but when he does, he goes with someone and wears a face mask. The soles of his feet have become softer to absorb his weight when he jumps from place to place, causing him to move more silently (aka, Josh has something like toe beans)

Josh is on a LOT of meds, but he's just thankful he finally got the right medication for his conditions. He still has hallucinations, but Chris figured out that they don't show up on cameras or screens, so when Josh calls for help, he runs in like paparazzi and snaps photos everywhere with much hilarity for Josh to laugh at, then he shows Josh the photos to show that nothing was there.

Overall? I just want Josh to get the help he deserves and, quite frankly, needs.

At first I think Chris would be, rightfully, pissed at Josh, but once he hears of his mental illnesses and at how shitty his past therapist was (because let's be honest, that guy in the game didn't sit right with me) he learns to see his perspective.

Still deciding if the others should be alive or not. Emily wouldn't forgive Josh. Just no. Michael, maybe? I don't know. Jess didn't really know what he did fully, so she might be more inclined to forgive. Sam would forgive. She's kind of like that. Ashley would tolerate Josh but not fully forgive. She might be guilty if she stabbed him, but in her defence, she had no idea. Matt might want to forgive, but seeing Em's distrust in him would make his hesitant

This has been rotting my brain for days help.

#until dawn au #until dawn #josh washington #emily davis #matt taylor #mike munroe #jess riley #sam giddings #ashley brown #chris hartley #beth washington #hannah washington #wendigo #canibalism #supermassive games #wendigo josh #josh washington survives au #exorjosh

[confoundedluna]

been on the until dawn subreddit recently and a couple of recent posts got me thinking so I wanna ask a question and see some community thoughts

in case y'all didn't know, there was an interview back in like 2015 with Will Byles, creative director, where it was revealed that until dawn had a cut pregnancy storyline, though they never revealed who it was and who with, just that it existed but got taken out for being too distracting from the main storyline

so...

I've seen arguments for most of the girls, so I wanna add those here, just in case y'all want some more info before you vote

SAM

The argument for Sam focuses mostly on her 'I thought we had a connection' line with Josh, making his spiral and inevitable death/turn more tragic, and it helps pair the two more when they're the odd singletons in a cast of romantic couples. also, Sam's stomach-centric death adds a nice layer of tragedy to the whole situation

EMILY

This one's pretty easy, it's the Mike/Matt drama turned up to eleven. You can throw in speculation on who the father is, if there was cheating involved, all that fun stuff

JESS

She fills the horror stereotype of slut, so being pregnant ties into that, and with how little presence she has in the final game it could make sense that a storyline of hers was cut and dropped her screentime

ASH

Admittedly, I don't think it was Ash, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone argue for it being her, so purely for the shock value of it I think she's still a contender, and it could have maybe played into the 'whose life do you save?' traps, kinda like the Saw shotgun carousel trap

HANNAH

Now, I only recently saw an argument for this, I'd never considered her, but in an earlier version of the game Josh was apparently actually her boyfriend and not her brother, and her being pregnant when disappearing could make the revenge plot hit a Lot harder

BETH

Honestly, she's just here because all the other girls are. I genuinely cannot think of a single reason why it would be Beth - she has too little presence for even the shock factor that Ash could have, it wouldn't really mean anything, but she's still possible as long as nothing is confirmed so. there she is

so yeah! I'd love it if y'all could vote and maybe share your own thoughts and opinions!

#until dawn #until dawn sam #until dawn jess #until dawn ashley #until dawn emily #until dawn hannah #until dawn beth

[anticute-marshmallowmars]

i was super prepared to be really in despair with the ending

but actually?

it kind of makes narrative sense, as is my take with a lot of this show.

are there some characterization/relationship-related decisions that i am not 100% on board? absolutely.

but honestly? outisde of those issues - it's kind of an ending that DOES work, and like? no one died, dude. i was prepared for deaths. (zelda aside :c but even then she just goes to another branch anyway.)

esp with tHIS kind of show? where they DON'T let their charas be happy??? where they don't take care of their charas (and yes - i would say they still don't in some ways. but that's...another post.) like, they always dangle the solution/happiness carrot - only to take it away.

so, like - honestly.

it's overall oddly...positive, actually, in terms of an ending, in terms of the actual circumstances that played out and could play out? it's open-ended enough. and doesn't leave THAT sour of a taste in my mouth as i was prepared for. bc again - it mAKES sense.

there's potential and hope* they'll find their way back to each other.

no way they won't. there's julia and penny. and once eliot gets his footing. (tho my feelings about where they end up in terms of relationships are... meh. bUT newayz.) and kady's figuring out the circumstances amidst the moon madness situation.

and on the other end: alice? margo. and what josh can contribute.

so, yeah. there's enough talent between the two factions to make this happen. no WAY they won't figure it out.

(alice being realized as master magician in her would-be-initiation/graduation, suggests and implies the rest of them also became master magicians, in my mind)

this show never was gonna give our charas a happily ever after, and certainly NOT with them together under one roof. it wouldn't have FELT right in any case. it'd be too perfect of an ending, and this show? does not do perfect endings. and i do not expect it. it wouldn't have been in the spirit of the show. and this ending - DOES maintain that spirit. even if - again - i do have my personal conniptions.

this show, time and time again, separates the group, into factions. it makes sense they would end the show with them separated, for them to figure out a way to get back to each other again.

(do i want my polycule and somehow q revived - absolutely!!!!! but that's not what the show was ever going to give, tonally. right from s1.)

it's hard to give a satisfying ending in any show. and i wouldn't say this was satisfying bc again, there's things i'm not too happy about. but narratively it MAKES SENSE.

and i will say: in any given show - and specifically any fantasy show - the ending SHOULD be open ended enough, so that you believe that world and those charas continue on even after the finale. you don't get to see it, but you know it happens.

and that's really what we get at the end, actually!

it's an ending that does work, tonally, thematically, and again - narratively. is it the best? no. is it the worst? really, really, no. ESPECIALLY given how media has been effing up finales in the last few years.

(and i say this, as someone who LOVES eliot and margo. they were pretty much what i was leaning hard to survive, as i went through s5 in terms of invested relationships/friendships. but i GET why they separated them. that's a separate post.)

and as writers should - you SHOULD give the building blocks for your audience as a gift - a hope of 'hey this world continues even after the creator is done with it.'

i want to see it, of course. but at least they gave that kind of ending rather than completely butcher everything. i'm secure enough to believe that it DOES happen, mainly bc these charas are dogged as shit. and again. there's hope*

*HQ and hope and the themes of home literally embodied in a pregnancy plotline with julia (which i have conflicted feelings about). and of course, the world seed arc. i just wish they had done it a little better? but there's lots i would have liked to be executed properly**

**obviously no quentin is heartbreaking. and what could have been the would-be queliot situation. but arguably quentin WAS going to be that type of hero at the end of the day. that's a separate post too.

there's just SO MANY THOUGHTS.

#the magicians #the magicians word vomit

[lunarspiral1127]

So, I missed She-Hulk episode 6, so I'm just gonna say my thoughts about the episode. *SPOILERS*

Filler. That's what this episode feel like, and not the good kind.

Even though Jen got new clothes from that designer that's supposed to fit both forms, they still look a bit baggy on her.

Nearly everyone in the wedding is unlikeable. Like, they make her not be She-Hulk, they give more of a damn about her love life, they make her clean cause the bride's a total bridezilla who made the crew quit, and even make her iron all the guys' shirts cause they were playing on the Switch! She should've just left! The only exception is the cute dog (who I'm really concerned for his health cause the bride said that he was resuscitated before the wedding), Chet who's DJing the wedding, and Josh who likes not just She-Hulk but also Jen.

By the way, where the hell is the groom? Throughout the whole episode, we never see the groom at all. Why?!

Speaking of Josh, I don't trust him at all. This show has most of the men be jerks, sexists, idiots, or all of the above. I bet the show will make Josh unlikeable later on and have him be any of those categories or evil.

She-Hulk vs. Titania (oh yeah, she's in it too to get back at Jen). Honestly, it was a bit longer than their previous fight, but it was meh to me. Probably cause of the slomo being used that one time and the CGI. What I don't get though is that Titania gets punched in the face and doesn't get her teeth knocked out, yet she slips on some ice cubes, faceplants hard on the floor and THAT messes up her teeth. Hell, before that, Jen in her normal form gets punched in the face by Titania and her nose didn't break. There's no bruising or any damage on the face from that punch!

I don't like Titania. I don't like that she was turned into a Kardashian "celebrity" in the MCU.

Mr. Immortal jumping out the window to get away from Nikki and Malory is the most relatable thing and the best part in that entire episode.

Oh yeah, MR. IMMORTAL IS IN THE MCU....and he's butchered in it too. In the comics, he lost his parents, lived with an abusive foster father, his first love committed suicide, and he tried to end it all cause he couldn't take it anymore only to discover he couldn't die after many attempts. He was the founder of the Great Lakes Avengers and is meant to be the sole survivor of the universe and learn the "grand secret" that will reveal itself at the end of all things.  Also, Mr. Immortal would be the "appointed prince" by One Below All if Franklin Richards died. That's a big deal. So, what's his MCU counterpart? A guy who fakes his death to escape being with his wives and one husband because he can't confront them and be honest that he wants a divorce.....well, at least he's bi.

Seriously though, why would they make Mr. Immortal be like this?! It doesn't make sense when you read up on Craig Hollis and who he is. This guy lost his first love by suicide and tried to take his own life to join the ones he's lost! He wouldn't do what the MCU version would do!

It's also never explained how he and Titania got their abilities. I hope they're not gonna make them mutants like with Kamala. But, Craig has been around for decades, and SHIELD or anyone hasn't caught on that there's a guy who can't die? He killed himself multiple times to get away from his wives and husband and there hasn't been any footage or anything to show him coming back? It would've been better if the show introduced Craig as someone who recently discovered his powers.

Intelligencia is introduced in this episode. In the comics, it was a group comprised of some of the greatest and most sinister minds on Earth and they initially exchanged information between criminal geniuses. Members included Modok, Klaw, and Leader (who's gonna be in Captain America 4). Here, in the MCU, it's Reddit basically. And, someone going as Hulkking is the one who's after She-Hulk's blood. Some say it's Leader, but we won't know until later on.

As much as I like Malory and Nikki getting along, I just didn't care for this case compared to the previous ones. Just by how they acted towards their client and how Craig was ruined in the MCU by making him be another male character be a total jerk and a bad guy.

I think that's all I got from that episode. And in case you couldn't tell? Yes, I didn't like it.

#anti she hulk #anti marvel #anti mcu #mcu criticism #mcu critical #marvel critical #marvel criticism

[thedeal-if]

On a scale of 1 to 10 how resistant the ROs are to a MC giving them puppy dog eyes?

!! Aw. I'd say it varies on whether they're romantically attracted to the MC or not (I'll assume they are~), but overall I would rate them:

Dante gets a 2, which is generous given the fact that when he simps for the MC he simps hard. He may be very temperamental and hotheaded, but he's also really forgiving and kind. If Dante sees MC pouting and asking for anything he'd initially pretend to resist, because he is a demon, you know, and he can't be weak to humans. But he'd cave in quickly. Embarrassingly quickly. Dante would try to play it off like he always meant to listen to MC and like the puppy dog eyes didn't work in the first place.

Lilith is always a 10 (amongst these 3s) but in this case, she gets a 4. She's definitely stronger than Dante but she loves spoiling her partners so much that she would find it impossible to say no. Lilith would find MC adorable and tease them about it ("love, you really don't have to beg— you know I'd do anything for you"), but she's fast to go along with whatever MC wants.

Josh is definitely a 1, this man is weak for the MC. He's one of the two examples who would be just as weak no matter if MC is his friend or his lover. MC has Josh completely wrapped around their little finger, something of which he's perfectly aware. Josh is (most of the time) pretty levelheaded and perceptive. He knows when MC is about to do something stupid. But he can't physically bring himself to say no to them. He might just give a little sigh of "oh shit here we go again" and reluctantly go "... Fine."

Villanelle is a disaster. A 0. She caves in way before MC even musters the thought of giving her the puppy dog eyes. Villie is a huge advocate for pouting and looking cute, so she might give MC the puppy dog eyes herself in an attempt to beg for mercy. Regardless, she finds it impossible to deny her partner of anything + it's pretty easy to convince her that a terrible idea isn't actually so bad.

Victor is a 9 and wow. Honestly. This man is so cold he rivals Antarctica. Trying to make him take pity on MC is futile. If Victor thinks something's stupid or he doesn't feel like doing something, he won't. And there's no convincing him to do otherwise. MC can try, of course. And Victor would find them cute (his face though remains like 😐). But that's as far as it goes. Victor is very stubborn and once he makes up his mind about something. There is a very slim chance that he'd succumb, though.

Aliyah, the 10. She is immune to MC's cuteness. There's nothing MC can do to change her mind. Not only that— whereas Victor simply glances at the MC and doesn't say anything, Aliyah happens to say plenty. She's brutal. Once Aliyah begins to care about MC half the things she says aren't even meant to hurt, but she's so blunt that she can still sting. Anywho— Aliyah wouldn't only be impassive to MC pouting, she would also pretty much mock them for thinking she was weak enough to fall for it.

Nathan gets a 5, he barely passes. This guy is literally becoming a fallen angel as we speak, he's made some pretty stupid choices, and he lacks common sense. So when MC has a poor idea he's like "oh fuck yeah!" and barely even thinks. In other situations in which he's the recipient of the puppy dog eyes, Nathan would just tilt his head and stare with a small smile, genuinely taken aback by how cute MC looks.

Eden is an 8. He doesn't even mean to be immune. He just is. Eden barely realizes MC is pouting and what that's supposed to mean. He'd be pretty confused, he'd frown and say something along the lines of "Why are you making that face? Are you sick?" The more she gets to know MC the more she realizes it's meant to be cute, but even then she'd be like... 🤷🏾 "What do you want me to do about it?"

#the deal #if game #interactive fiction #the deal act 1 #the deal if #inferno #dante #lilith #josh #villanelle #victor #aliyah #nathan #eden #ask #ros

[shit-talk-turner]

I kinda think it was clear that Alex wanted to shed that EYCTE image since early TBHC. Remember that Annie Mac interview where she said he was fearless and doing karate kicks onstage and he got all embarrassed and just replied with "no I wasn't..."? Alex has always had such a controlled image onstage with AM. I think EYCTE spun out and got away from him a bit, and if he really is a private person, I can see how that would make him uncomfortable and make him want to turn the boat around, so to speak. Also, I have a theory regarding Alex shedding his image in general (sorry, this might be a bit of an essay - I find his chameleon-like qualities very fascinating lol):

I know this fandom likes to say the GFs all lose their personalities and absorb his interests/friends, but I always got the impression that Alex is pretty fast (if not faster) to take on his partners' traits too and moulds himself to them a lot. And not just them, but the people around him in general. He became more fashionable and more involved with the "indie" scene when he was with Alexa (which was really her jam), his first stint hanging out with Josh Homme got him all desert rock-y, he got into the old-school rock and roller thing with Arielle (which always read to me as being more her brand of "cool"), his look got even slicker as he started to hang out with Josh Homme more after moving to LA. In that late 2014/early 2015 interim, when he was most closely working with Alexandra, we saw him looking a little darker and a little looser, and a little more lost (though, granted, this could just as easily have to do with the fact he was in a hiatus without much lined up for the first time in a long time, but their vibes did seem to complement each other well from the little we've seen of that time).

Then when Taylor came into the picture, and he was working most closely with Miles, he became... sunnier, I guess? More comfortable being openly cheesy, wearing loud colours/prints (a definite Miles trait lol), and became more openly interested in broader genres of music. Even in the lead-up to TBHC, the grown-out hair, the goatee, the particular "mad genius with whiskey tumbler and a dog in his lap" brand of isolation he seems to have gone through seems very much like the image of a languid tortured artist that Taylor seems to idealize.

And then with Louise in the picture, first he went through a slightly dark/dangerous/slimy tortured rock star phase with the shaved head and always trying to look drunk on stage (even when apparently he wasn't), which kind of suited her obvious desire to party and be that stereotypical "rock star girlfriend." And then, when they got more serious, he/they slipped into this Serge and Jane thing, which is likely also really appealing to him, but I think also is influenced by her and her interests/image.

It could be a chicken and egg situation - maybe he's adopting the style/interests of the people around him, or maybe he lives his life in phases and chooses (consciously or subconsciously) to surround himself with people who allow him to explore interests and parts of himself he's looking to explore. In any case, I think it's pretty clear that having that fluidity is important to him, as is the ability to shed his previous skin and leave it behind (which to me is a sign of a great artist but that might just be me getting starry-eyed about this). It makes total sense to me that he wouldn't want to go back to a previous image, given the above. It's not where he's at anymore and it doesn't fit the life he's surrounded himself with atm.

I'm sure who he is at his core stays the same, but I can see how these phases could be frustrating to people who are constants in his life, and especially to Miles who shared one of those images with him (and one that was exceptionally marketable at that). But I imagine that a push to go back to something he moved on from would also be frustrating to Alex - especially coming from a close friend who supposedly knows him well, and knows that sort of doesn't fit with who he is. Can definitely see how that'd become a heated subject quickly.

Anyway, sorry again - this was really long and obviously all speculative. lol. I just always think his shape-shifting ways say so much about him as an artist. It's completely fascinating to me and I'd LOVE to understand more about what's at the root of it.

We LOVE LOVE LOVE when people submit essays like this. Thank you!

#Alex who are you?

[candlelightreader]

Ok I binge watched Castle (never watched when it aired) and I have QUESTIONS! And yes, OTP Caskett for life right here no ifs, ands, or buts.

Already rewatching right now, but here's what I don't get:

- the fuck was that last season? I binge watched I cannot imagine what it would've been like to wait week after week while that mess unfolded.

- season 8 again: did Castle truly believe she was leaving him for real? And she let him? I just really was confused and thought he knew there was something up but that he played along. Completely nonsensical

- whole disappearing for two months was so fucked I can't even express myself. And the explanation makes no sense. Period.

- frankly, I love this show except for the parts I don't. But the suspension of disbelief necessary in it just made no sense. I am never one to jump out of a story, I'm usually happy to go with the flow. but are you seriously telling me that there are no defense lawyers out there who throw the cases out because Castle is in on interrogations and is at crime scenes? But maybe that's me. That's not the biggest one. The biggest has to be the extent to which they keep allowing these cops to investigate their own cases or cases where there's a clear involvement or what can be qualified as conflict of interest. Not even talking about the whole Beckett's mom thing. That at least was mostly rogue. Just talking about (for example) Castle remaining on the case when his rich buddy's wife was killed. Or when Espo is allowed within arms length of that case with his thief of an ex. Like, come on! Is there no internal affairs in this universe? (Other than the one internal affairs cop that was the villain, of course.)

- Castle's mom was too good for that show! No I'm kidding. I just loved her.

- Alexis devolving into a normal young adult was a bit jarring after she had been such a wise and unusual teen whom her dad had to bribe to be bad. I guess as he dad grew up she allowed herself to be a child?

- OK back to Caskett. What stopped them being together at the beginning? Nah this one is not serious. But the tension sure was nice yet excruciating. I would've loved them to explore what happens when he's super famous and she's super famous by proxy. Just wouldn't have objected to seeing their lives as a couple, solving crimes by day, being glamorous by night. I hate that his fame seems to become a non-issue later. Why couldn't the Nikki Heat movie be a hit if that actress was supposedly a hit? And who played Rook exactly? We see everyone else but him.

- oh another illogical thing. I get Castle signing away his life in the second episode. But it just never made sense that Beckett has him as partner but essentially has no back-up with him. (Who backed her up before he showed up btw? Espo and Ryan have each other. Aren't detectives supposed to have a partner?) He is unarmed all the time and is just a liability. Bringing me to how they never have him being shot which is annoying to my hurt trope loving self.

- that first/fake kiss? ... ya ... got nothing there

- fuck Josh.

- fuck Demming too, though I'd give anything to see/hear about how he takes the news of C and B being together

- why was she so PDA heavy at the precinct when she was with Demming and Josh, only to have that nowhere to be seen with Castle? (After they are out)

- fuck Gina too, kinda. I have less hate on Castle's exes or lovers only because we actually get a sense of who they are and we see they insignificant and a way for him to pass time while waiting for Kate to make up her mind. But Beckett's lovers are just there to be hated by Castle. There is an inconsistency in how much the audience gets to know them. Josh is a man doctor with a bike. That's all we know. Like she ordered him on cliche dot com. So ya, I get the show is Castle's, but then don't show the fight room scenes with Beckett but then have her get together and dump Josh both offscreen. He was just there to annoy Castle and push him that one time!

- for a writer he just couldnt use his damn words could he? Why didn't he just tell her he told her he loved her instead of acting like toddler about it?

That is all for now. Had to get it out. Excuse me now as I go seek out fanfic.

#castle beckett #caskett #richard castle #castle #kate beckett #castel fanfic #OTP

[xplrvibes]

some choice quotes from the subreddit which I peeked at since I'm nosy:

"They make videos for kids like “WE GOT ATTACKED BY A ANGRY GHOST” and have a hot babe in the thumbnail, wtf is going on, who tricked joe this bad"

"Bro literally I checked out their channel thinking it’s gonna be like paranormal activity, but it was more like the ghost hunters from South Park. “What was that!! There’s a wet fluid going down my pants”

'Damn, mad respect…. I made it 14 min. I’m assuming not one ghost was proven to exist throughout the entire episode. Someone please tell me I’m wrong."

"No, im 42min in and you hear about how they tried everything to get famous and settled on Ghost hunting because it was safe and not illegal so they wouldn't get in trouble like they did with the other stuff they tried. They didnt mention anything about having a 6th sense or experiencing paranormal stuff when they were young. Nope they found out they could get views doing this so they stuck with it. So yeah their whole thing is bullshit."

"They only farm kids for views, there is nothing special or good about it, you understand that it’s like 5-12 year olds that are watching this mindlessly right? They use sexuality and fear to get this kids hooked."

"Lmao, they're all grifters but I would take anyone over these tiktok e-boys. They could have had someone like Jack Osbourne, Josh Gates, Jason Hawes, Katrina Weidman, the Buzzfeed dudes- hell I'd take Zak Bagans. Those people would have more to say than just "we're popular because we're cute and 16 year old girls love us, please subscribe to our channel where we make the same scared face again and again".

I am picturing all of these coming from dudes sipping on Mountain Dew after doing 20 push-ups. tho some of them are being won over lmao. I almost feel a little bad for snc since now their fandom is mad at them and Joe rogan's is trashing on them. since when do Joe rogan fans get to feel superior.

THE GHOST HUNTERS FROM SOUTH PARK LMAO. What a topical and timely reference. 🤣

I'm sorry, this whole thing is killing me. These guys have their little asses so bent out of shape over this and it just makes me laugh so hard. I love when the dude-bros get all mad and yelly because a couple of not douchey boys who are extremely popular with the girls show up and take over their testerone fueled man time.

SNC really is getting pummeled from both ends today, but hey- what else is new lol. Half the snc fandom hate watches them at this point anyway, and who actually wants a bunch of Limp Bizkit wannabe internet trolls like these Rogan stans joining the snc fandom? This might be the best case scenario for them, lol.

This'll be the last time they ever do anything mainstream though, just you watch. 🤣

#asks #sam and colby

[gvftea]

The angus cloud issue is a lot deeper than what Danny and josh did and requires a lot more thought. Josh and Danny are white and grew up in a small predominantly white Midwestern town. There’s no excusing their behaviour and what they did was wrong.

Angus cloud is a whole other discussion. I’m from a city right beside LA that’s predominantly Latino and black but we do have white ppl. These white ppl almost always have a “blaccent” or use AAVE which is how almost everyone talks around here. You could say that Angus is a product of his environment and that’s why he’s adopted that character. I don’t want to excuse his case but at the same time I can understand why it happens.

Okay, so let me see if I understand this. So what you're saying is that, because Angus Cloud grew up surrounded by latinos and black people, it is okay for him to act black and use AAVE even though he's white, but the Kiszkas don't get the same pass because they're from the midwest? Respectfully, that makes literally no sense. If Angus is "a product of his environment" then so are the Kiszkas and Danny, wouldn't you say? After all, gvf's whole obsession with indigenous culture stems from that they're from the midwest, as I've been told that white folks from Michigan, Ohio, etc. are weirdly obsessed with Indigenous culture for no reason. So if Angus gets to act black because he's from LA, then why doesn't Josh get to wear a headdress if he's from Frankenmuth? Again, it's this double standard what confuses me. Because in my eyes, neither of them should get a pass.

#greta van fleet #gvf #josh gvf #sam gvf #jake gvf #josh kiszka #danny wagner #jake kiszka #sam kiskza #danny gvf

[maniacwatchestheworld]

👀 do you want to talk about the unnamed SINF fic ideas on that list?

Take a look at my fanfiction ideas list and ask me about them!

HAH! Those two!

I was confused for a second when you asked about 'SINF.' Of all of the fic ideas, I didn't expect to be asked about those! I wouldn't think those books would particularly be the most popular in the world. It's not exactly like they've exactly had the most massive fanbase in the world. But sure thing! They're both very small ideas, so you can have 2 for the price of 1!

Unnamed idea #8

The main cast of these books all arrive at the same restaurant. After some arguing they get into a contest to see who can eat the most spicy food... do not take seriously.

Unnamed idea #40

Once an outlaw, always an outlaw. Billy the Kid get himself in trouble with the authorities, and they can tell that he is not who he claims to be. Machiavelli helps him because of course he does.

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It's been forever since I've read the The Secrets of the Immortal Nicholas Flamel books, so I would definitely have to give them a reread if I were to try and write these stories nowadays. You know. To get the characterization correct and all.

Both of these idea would likely take the form of a one-shot. Very lighthearted and silly these two ideas are all around. Both of them occurred to me while I was reading the books back in the day.

The first one (Unnamed idea #8) came to me when the book was describing how Machiavelli and Dee's sense of taste have been dulled over the centuries as a consequence of how they became immortal. It's just a silly little idea. All of the primary and secondary cast all arrive in the restaurant, and after deciding not to fight, start getting competitive over who can have the worst/spiciest foods. Maybe Dee or someone orders something incredibly spicy and Josh makes a comment on it or something. Soon Dee just starts showing off and a competition starts. Obviously Dee and Machiavelli have an advantage, and soon it just becomes a pissing match between only the two of them as they try to one-up one another. People are very impressed.

As for the second one... Well... Of all the things to ship, I never thought that this book series would make me want to ship Niccolo Machiavelli and Billy the Kid! But I mean, how can you not!??? So you know. Billy gets in trouble. As he is want to do. Being Billy the Kid and all. The cops ask who he is, to which he ends up telling a really REALLY shitty lie, ("Uh... My name is John... Yeah! John! John what...? Uh... John... Doe...?" or something dumb like that,) and so Machiavelli has to bail him out. Of course. Because they're buds! :D I just really liked their dynamic and more of it is always good! :D

In case you can't tell, Machiavelli is my Blorbo for SINF.

#anonymous #secrets of the immortal nicholas flamel #ask #anon #anon ask #ask response #anon reply #reply #replies #ask reply

[gustingirl]

gvf headcanon | you collaborate with them

request: Could you either they have a interview with them or collaborate on something with the band. feel like either head cannons or imagines could fit both. (requested by @godzillalyz)

josh.

poor boy he would totally forget he has a concert to do. like i know that when josh finds something he likes, it's like his mind goes "yup only that thing exists". and that would apply to you. like i imagine you're some kind of indie new artist the boys had found out and decided to invite you on stage to promote your music. and boy does he love your music, but it wouldn't matter once you climbed the stage with them. like i feel the boys would want to sing one of their songs with you but josh would be too concentrated on you to even remember he had to sing. but he also would be like your biggest fan, just pure admiration for you.

"have you seen that!? wow, y/n you just sing like that!" josh basically screamed into the microphone, trying his best to be heard over the crowd's cheers. you were a blushing mess, covering your face with your guitar as he approached you and put a hand on your shoulder "if you aren't a fan of her by now, i can’t help you anymore" everybody laughed, but you just couldn't stop looking at josh, who was looking at you in a way you couldn't figure out.

sam.

something tells me sam wouldn't look bothered on stage. like he's always in his own world as he plays instruments, so i feel like he would pay attention to you backstage. i feel like the boys would be told about this new band having a little time on stage with them. sam would be ok with it, but his eyes would fall on you as soon as he heard your voice. he would love more the way you felt music.

i imagine like you were singing as the lead vocal of the group, while aggressively playing the guitar as you loved doing it that way. sam was trying really hard to take notice on the lyrics but the way your voice sounded was too distracting, like a furious angel crying. he was loving every second of your rehearsal. as the song was coming to the end, sam was coming up with an excuse to approach you.

"hey, that was pretty awesome, y/n, right?" sam said as he called your name, making you turn around. your nod was enough answer for him to go on "i was thinking maybe you could try another thing? like at the end, as a plot twist! maybe instead of playing that chord, what about doing something a bit different?" he knew he wasn't making any sense, as he expected you to not understand so he would have to spend more time with you.

danny.

it would probably be similar to sam. i mean, he wouldn't be able to interact much with you on stage. he would be pretty aware of this and would think about ways to talk to you before going on stage. i also feel like danny watches from afar, you know in interviews and such he seems like someone who doesn't talk much so he uses that time to truly look at everything. like i feel he would pay as much attention on you, gathering all the details so he can go up to you and "magically" bring up a topic you're interested in.

like you were coaching your group on what to do on stage, along with josh in greta van fleet's representation. you two were basically organizing the set list and chatting about it. josh offered doing a collaborative cover, and your first choice was the who's "who are you". danny's ear were attentive as he watched you basically do the entire work. once the small reunion was over, he waited until everybody was busy to approach you.

"heard you're a the who fan, huh?" his soft voice took you off your train of thoughts, and you smiled at him in response. "that's pretty nice, i don't find many the who fans lately. i really like them too, which one is your favorite song?" and just like that, with the who as a weird but cool ice breaker, danny had you going off about your favorite band.

jake.

in jake's case i feel like it wouldn't be a collaborative stage, but a collaborative song. and i also feel like he would be the one finding your music and suggesting the boys to work together. he really admired your work and had even lurked around the internet, finding some interviews to get to know you more.

like it was the mention of his band that gave him the idea of working together. you arrived at their studio with your own guitar and some sheets of a song you had been working on. jake had previously told the boys about how big of a fan he was of you, and the boys weren't dumb. they noticed jake's enthusiasm working its way on him as you entered the room with a big smile. they stayed silently in the back, watching their brother and friend flirt with you shamelessly.

"you are even prettier in person" he suddenly spoke as you were unpacking your stuff. you blushed and complimented back, though jake was not going to let it go easily "i mean your music is breathtaking, i wish i could write lyrics the way you do. didn't know goddesses could be so poetic as well as beautiful" he could hear the soft chuckles from the boys, but he was too concentrated on his favorite singer to mind.

BOY i hope this is fine, love!! thank you for reading and requesting!!

#greta van fleet #greta van fleet fic #greta van fleet headcanon #greta van fleet headcanons #gvf #.gvftxt #josh kiszka #sam kiszka #danny wagner #jake kiszka #jake kiszka x reader #josh kiszka x reader #danny wagner x reader #sam kiszka x reader

[eldrai]

Exit Wounds was a great episode (Penelope going out to make sure the victim wasn't alone! The moment between her and Derek afterwards and then right at the end as well! Hotch not in a suit for once!) but there was one thing in particular which stood out to me as wasting potential.

Right from the moment they realise they're looking for a teenage boy, we can start to see similarities. A child in an abusive household, feeling left behind by his brother figure?

If we go off the birth dates stated on the wiki, Hotch is born in 1971 and Sean in 81. If we assume Hotch went to college as soon as he could, Sean would only be 8. Old enough to understand why he was leaving (and I'd like to point out that Josh left for college-related reasons too) but as any younger sibling might, he could feel abandoned.

Hotch mentions his father dying when he was in high school (you know, when he wasn't having a heart attack later in life whoops retcon), so let's say he was 17 or 18. Sean has just lost his father and very soon after, his brother.

And then there's the father. Though we have less concrete evidence from Hotch (and some of us grow up to catch them, from season 1) Owen's father is assumed to be and treated as abusive. And we get Hotch immediately becoming very angry at the father and reassuring the mother. Yes, he needs the information about Owen's hiding spots so it makes sense to get the husband to shut up but the shouting is not usually his first reaction to most people—it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine he's familiar with that situation, just not as any of the adults. Hotch says that it's hardly the first time the wife has had to wash blood out of their clothes which, whilst being an assumption anyone could feasibly make, seems to be an unnecessarily sharp one. More of a jab at the father than the mother.

So we have Hotch, and we have the unsub whose background he could at least partially identify with, and we have a place that only Hotch and Owen would know where Owen was: the boat.

And when they showed Hotch on the boat there, I thought we were going to get a conversation between just them. I thought we might get a little more insight, if only subtext, into Hotch's backstory or even just one of those times a team member worries about understanding the unsub too deeply. Given the other parallels in the episode, it seemed like it was building to some allusion to it.

And then there was pretty much everyone there, Owen gets shot, and... done. Owen's case is wrapped up and to me, at least, it felt underwhelming.

There was so much potential for a look at Hotch there. Growing up in a similar household (the only real difference being he and Sean are blood related) has obviously had an impact on him, but we only ever get throwaway references to it. And with Owen being the younger brother, the one left behind, and Hotch the eldest child who left—what is he thinking? Can he see parts of Sean in him? Does that bring up guilt over having to leave? Might that have an effect on how he interacts with his family?

We don't know, because the case is over and we're already on the next scene. Criminal Minds does its frustrating habit of thinking up something interesting and then... dropping it.

What are your thoughts about it? And what do you think of the possible parallels, could they just be coincidence? I found it all really interesting. I love the episode and it isn't bad by any means, but I feel like they could have done more.

#criminal minds #cm #meta #cm meta #exit wounds #aaron hotchner #hotch #5x21 #criminal minds meta #criminal minds 5x21 #eldrai.txt

[letmetellyouaboutmyfeels]

I think the difference between buddie and those slow burn ships is that they actually were always shown to have a shot. With buddie it’s just wishful thinking on our part, there’s been nothing definite to make us think it’s even a possibility. Most slow burns are straight so there’s no need to even worry, it will probably happen at some point. This is completely different and you can’t blame people for not having hope or see a potential long term.

Listen, I'm going to try really hard to be nice about this, okay?

Straight slowburn ships are not "shown to have a shot" more than Buddie is right now. I made a post earlier in response to someone else's ask mentioning Mulder/Scully and Josh/Donna, two ships that we were not shown to have a shot. Both showrunners said they would not make that ship canon, and later were persuaded to change their minds. I guess because my response was behind a "read more" you didn't see that part.

"There's no need to even worry, it will probably happen at some point." Respectfully, as someone who has shipped slowburns that never came to pass that were between men and women... no. No, it's not guaranteed. It's just not. I'm very sorry.

A good modern-day example that a friend pointed out to me is the ship Chenford on the show The Rookie. From what the friend told me and what I saw in clips and gifsets doing some research, they are very much the same position as Buddie right now. And like with Buddie, despite being a man and a woman, there is no guarantee. The cast and crew has not promised the viewers anything. That is the chance the viewer must take.

I understand that when other shows like S*pernatural, Teen Wolf, Sherlock, The 100 and others have treated queer fans so poorly, it can be hard to have trust. But again, as I pointed out earlier, the parallels between both well-known slowburn straight ships in other media and other ships on 911 itself are saying we have a chance.

In fact, I'll throw in another parallel for you: Willow and Tara. Tara is shot to death in front of Willow in exactly, e-fucking-xactly, the same camera parallel as Eddie is shot in front of Buddie. But unlike Willow and Tara, Buck and Eddie still have a chance. I do not think that parallel, given Willow and Tara's fame in the queer community, was unintentional.

Now, I am not saying with 100% certainty that Buddie will happen in the sense that hey I saw in my crystal ball in the future and we're fine. I mean, go ask the X-Files fans (known as Philes) who debated whether we'd get Mulder and Scully together. There's no real guarantee unless one of you's a time traveler, in which case, I have MUCH bigger questions for you.

But I am 95% certain. Because of the aforementioned parallels.

My frustration is that people are calling this queerbaiting when it's not, and I'm not explaining to you why, because you're an adult who can do your own research. My frustration is that people are mad that Buddie isn't getting together fast enough, when they also say they want a slowburn. The point of a slow burn is that you don't have a guarantee. It's the classic "will they or won't they" tension. My frustration is that I genuinely do not know what the show writers and crew could do at this point besides say "don't worry guys, it's going to happen" - when to do that would be to spoil the biggest plot twist they've ever had and they simply will not do that.

If you don't have hope, that's your choice. If you think it's wishful thinking, that's your choice. When I thought after the season four finale we wouldn't get Buddie, I took a break. I wrote some fanfic that I had already been planning on writing but I didn't engage with the fandom at large, didn't reblog anything, didn't do speculation or meta, etc. I urge you to do the same.

If you still like Buddie and think that it won't be canon, that's totally fine. I ship Geraskier, which will never be canon. The thing is - I'm okay with that. If you think something won't be canon and you're not okay with that, then I really do urge you to find something else to focus on, because you're never going to be happy, sweet nonny. You just won't. And it's okay! It's really truly okay to leave. It's okay even to leave and then come back when the ship is canon. Not everyone can afford the emotional labor of waiting and seeing. It's really, really okay. I mean that.

I'm repeating a lot of what I said in my previous answer to another anon, but if after all that you still think it's wishful thinking and we're all deluding ourselves, please go and do that somewhere else. Please stay off my posts, and let me and others have our fun. It's not hurting you for us to do so, but it is hurting you, I think, to spend your time so hurt and angry. So I urge you to find something that will bring you joy.

#mads answers things #and this is the last thing I'm going to say about this #I will not respond to any other asks about this matter #I am not here to debate or discourse or wank or whatever you want to call it #please leave me alone #if you do not agree with my posts then simply do not interact with them #I have had a long day on top of a long week on top of a long month on top of a long year and I'm on my period #I simply do not have time for this #please go and find something that will make you happy #because you deserve to spend time only on what brings you happiness

[gretavanfleetposts]

hi!! I’m teddie and i’d like to request a ship 🥺

description of myself - i’m 5’1, slightly curvy, and kinda muscular. My hair is naturally dark brown and curly. My eyes are bright blue.

1. pronouns - she/her

2. zodiac signs (big 3) - libra sun, aquarius moon, libra ascending

3. favorite movie - practical magic

4. introverted or extroverted - i'm more on the introverted side when i first meet someone, but i become extremely extroverted once i get to know them. and even when meeting new people, if someone i know well is with me, i start out extroverted. (if that makes sense?)

5. a skill or talent you have - i sing. constantly. and i'm very artistic

6. your go-to song when you need a pick me up - i have several. to name a few. A Case of You by Joni Mitchell, literally anything by Hozier (lately it's From Eden), Waterloo by ABBA, Mykonos by Fleet Foxes

7. what you look for in a partner - i want someone with some confidence. my love language is physical touch, so someone who always wants to be touching me in some way whether it's holding hands, or putting a hand on my thigh, or just sitting shoulder to shoulder.

8. favorite item of clothing you own - either my bell bottoms or my pleated mini skirt

9. tell us about your pet, or if you don't have one then your favorite animal - i have an orange tabby cat. her name is sushii

10. your ideal date - going on a little adventure. like hiking or swimming in a lake followed camping out under the stars, maybe even with us sharing a hammock to sleep in instead of the tent, and just spending the entire time cuddling and talking and getting to know each other better

Hello, my dear! I ship you with Josh!

First of all, you're gorgeous and I can't imagine any of the guys wouldn't think so. But Josh would be enthralled by more than your looks. You like similar music, you love to sing, you're creative. And you love to be touched and if the boy knows how to do anything, it's touch. I think he would love to go hiking with you, spending time out in nature and drawing inspiration from it. He can fill the silence when you're feeling quieter but you can match his talkativeness in other situations. I feel like the two of you together, you'd never get bored.

- ⭐

#ships #gvf ships #greta van fleet #gvf #greta van fleet ships #gretavanfleetpostsships

[shannendoherty-fans]

TV Guide, February 13, 1988

No Sassing Grandpa!

Our House's Shannen Doherty, 16, is concerned about her character's behaviour–and its impact on viewers.

By Helen Newton.

Shannen Doherty hunches over her high-school algebra textbook, reluctantly penciling problems in her least-favorite subject. Her teacher hovers over her. The two are alone in a small, dingy trailer that, despite a tacked-up poster and a forlorn bit of artwork, lloks nothing like school. This is the location classroom for NBC's Our House, whose three child stars (Shannen, 16, Chad Allen, 13, and Keri Houlihan, 12) are legally bound to squeeze three hours of daily lessons between scenes.

"It must be difficult," comments a visitor to the teacher, "going to school like this, all alone,no friends, no football games . . . ."

"Are you kidding?" interrupts the teacher. "They love it. What kid in his right mind wouldn't trade six hours in school day after day for this?" She gestures broadly at the controlledhubbub that fills the city park around her.

Just then an assistant director knocks on the door. "Time to get ready, hannen," he calls, and the actress, saved from solving for "x," bounces happily down the steps of the schoolroom, up the steps of her dressing room and into a costumer's impossibly conservative version of a punker's get-up.

Shannen's character, Kris Witherspoon, normally tends toward preppier attire–she does have her heart set on attending the Air Force Academy–but in this episode, she's trying to teach her crusty grandfather, Gus (played by Wilford Brimley), not to judge people ony by appearance. In Our House, one resident or another learns something uplifting every week.

"With our audience [young teens and families], I think we have a responsibility to set good examples," Shannen says earnestly. "There are drugs and so many other things that kids can get into trouble with that Ithink, if we can help, we should." But then good examples seem to come as naturally to Shannen as they do to Kris. Earlier this season, for example, she confronted a script that had Kris casually mentioning condoms. "It wasn't important to the plot. It was just a casual thing," says Shannen, her cheeks hinting at a blush. "I was uncomfortable with it and I thought Kris would be too, so I asked if they would take it out." They did. And Shannen tells of a scene in the episode being shot today that called for her to scream angrily at her grandfather. "I don't think Kris would sass her grandfather. She's let him know she was angry, but she'd be more respectful." Out came the sass.

Shannen doesn't believe in sassing her mother either, though she has ample opportunity: Rosa Doherty is with Shannen every day, all day, beginning with the hour's drive from their San Fernando Valley home. California law requires the presence of a parent or guardian until a child actor reaches 16, but Shannen, who will turn 17 in April, has asked her mother to stay on for at least another two years.

They're close, these two. "My mom's my friend," says Shannen unaffectedly, and you believe her. The two share a lot–beyond a mutual enthusiasm for Laura Ashley wallpaper, animals and their Baptist church, there's obviously their dedication to Shannen's career.

Rosa watches over Shannen carefully–what ordinary mother can confer with her child's teacher several times a day?–and she adamantly opposes allowing her daughter to work longer than the 10 1/2 hours required daily. But when Shannen is busy, Rosa finds plenty to occupy herself. Everyone on the set knows her: she joshes with the costumer, the hairdresser, the other children's mothers. She lays plans with Shannen's publicist and manager. And she readies Shannen's fan mail so Shannen can answe ir. ("A lot of kids ask me for advice," Shannen says. "Kris is so together that naturally she'd know what to do. Meanwhile, I look at the mail and think, 'Oh, no, what do I say?´")

But Shannen does know what to say–like the time two years ago at the beginning of ninth grade when she announced to her mother that she wanted to go to school like a regular kid. "It was the beginning of high school, and I wanted to get situated," she says. One semester was enough, however. "There are plenty of kids around work for me to be friends with," she says, when asked whether she misses the social experiences of high school. "There are Chad and Keri, and on the Lorimar lot there are the kids from Valerie's Family. And I met my boy friend"–she says this slihtly shyly, as if unaccustomed to the term–"on the set of Max Headroom." (Since then, Shannen has decided to attend school in her senior year. She plans to fit her TV work around her academic schedule.)

The next week, the next episode, the next location–this time 40 miles north of Los Angeles on the woodsy shores of a lake. It's lunch time; long tables are set up above the lake and Keri trails Shannen around and between them as they play with the two assistant directors' walkie-talkies. Shannen's handle in this game is "Sugarplum," a nickname some of the truckers who worked for her grandfather in Memphis called her when she was little. The assistant directors look benignly, almost paternally, on.

"We feel lucky," says Rosa. "This show is like family. The crew is great. And Wilford really cares about people." Although Brimley refused to talk about his young colleague, citing a dislike of publicity, Shannen and Rosa say the show's star is generous in other ways. They've been guests at his Utah ranch. Shannen, sharing Brimley's interest in horses, bought one from him two years ago, though she's since sold it back to him. "It was a quarter horse,and I'm more interested in Thorough-breds," she says. And Brimley takes a deep interest in the health of Shannen's father, Tom, who, like Brimley, is a diabetic.

The week before, at the city-park location, Tom had shown up, clearly almost as at home on the set as Rosa. "Everyone loves my dad," says Shannen. "He likes to cook, and sometimes he brings food for the crew."

Belying his hearty appearance now, Tom Doherty suffered a stroke in 1983. Although Tom says it was the best thing that ever happened to him because it forced him to slow down, Rosa says, "It was very hard on the famiy, but we got through it as a family. the children came to occupational theraphy with us so they could understand and support the process." Shannen adds, "I used to draw him a picture every day and hang them all around. It cheered him up. It was pretty scary, seeing him not able to do a child's sorting game." Now almost completely recovered, Tom says, "I have an easy job that allows me to do things like stop by the set occasionally and spend more time with our son, Sean." Sean, 20, is ambitious, too,but his area is politics. A conservative, he's actively involved in his local Youth Republicans group. In 1986, he was elected a GOP official in Los Angeles. "Our son needs attention, too," Tom says, 2and sometimes his mother doesn't have time."

Rosa's timefirst became a rare commodity when Shannen was 10 years old. Over her mother's initial objections, Shannen became active in a children's theater company, where she was spotted by an agent. He arranged an autition for the role of Drucilla Shannon in Father Murphy. "It was like fate, because I have this lucky doll named Drucilla and my name is Shannen and I was determined to work with Michael Landon [creator of Father Murphy]," Shannen recalls. Drucilla the doll went along on the audition, though she stayed in the car, and sure enough, Shannen got the part. She also won the continuing interest of Michael Landon, who cast her in Little House: A New Beginning and in an epiode of Highway to Heaven.

"I'd like to work with her again sometime if she's available," comments Landon. "She's got a good head on her shoulders. She's very conscientious and determined." Those qualities were, in fact, what drew him to her when Shannen was a 10-year-old. "Even then you could see that she treated this as a business. She really wanted the job for herself. It was not a case of a parent wanting a show-business career fora child, which is often the case. I'm very proud of her."

William Blinn, co-executive producer of Our House, echoes Landon's thoughts. "Shannen is like her character. She's a very dedicated kid." With the show now in its second season, Blinn hopes the work will continue to be there for her. Our House has the unenviable task of taking on CBS's warhorse 60 Minutes. "It's counter-programming to the max," says Blinn of his show's effort to attract a young audience. And so, while the ratings have not been spectacular (the highest so far this season was 14.5), Blinn says NBC is pleased to be a solid second in its time period.

Whether the show has a long run or not, Shannen intends to. Like Kris, she has goals in mind, and if co-star Deidre Hall (Shannen's TV mom, Jessie) is right, "she'll get anything she sets her mind on." With her manager and her mother, she's looking into various film and TV projects. "I plan to get into feature films and eventually to direct," Shannen says confidently.

A visitor asks her what sort of actress she sees herself becoming in the future–the next Ally Sheedy, perhaps, or Molly Ringwald?

"The next Shannen Doherty! I'm one of a kind," she declares boldly, then lapses into a self-conscious giggle. "Really," she says, more seriously, "the person I try to model myself on is Katharine Hepburn. She's really into her work."

But before stardom, there's college. A California university makes the most sense if she wants to work at the same time, Shannen says, but there's still something about the sound of Harvard, Princeton or Yale. . . .

"Really?" says her teacher later. "That's ambitious. She'd better get to work on that math."

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