#Anti John Winchester

[bucky-bucky-bucky-bucky]

John Winchester if he slayed

#dean winchester #Destiel #deancas #john winchester #anti john winchester #supernatural #spn

[torturedbitchesdepartment]

#supernatural #anti john winchester #mine #spn #dean winchester #sam winchester #castiel #jensen ackles #jared padalecki #misha collins

[spn-lesbian]

Mary: I told Dean to fight his demons and he swung at his dad

Cas: good

#source: tumblr #spn #incorrect spn quotes #castiel #mary winchester #dean winchester #supernatural #incorrect supernatural quotes #anti john winchester

[spn11x17]

Nicola Yoon, “The Sun is Also a Star”

#dean #dean winchester #supernatural #spn screenshots #w #poetry #writing #sam winchester #spnedit #spn screencaps #anti john winchester #john winchester #chuck shurley #religion #spncentral #spn #mine

[holybeejesus]

Need Cas to beat Johns ass in the reboot I’m begging

#supernatural #dean winchester #sam winchester #castiel #destiel #jensen ackles #jared padalecki #misha collins #spn s16 #john winchesters a+ parenting #anti john winchester

[underwhelmingalchemist]

I love transmasc Dean headcanons because it implies that John was the world's shittiest father, but still drew the line at transphobia. Like, "of course I'm not gonna call him a girl, I'm not a monster. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a son to traumatize"

#someone's probably already made this post and worded it better but still #anti john winchester #dean winchester #trans dean winchester #trans headcanon #supernatural #spn

[destiel-is-canon-i-guess]

John for Dean’s entire life: Your life is to be dedicated to the hunt and ONLY the hunt. You exist for two reasons: protect Sammy, and avenge your mother’s death. You don’t get to have a childhood. You don’t get to have friends. You don’t get to play games or sports. Don’t even THINK about college. Your happiness means nothing. If you die young and alone, so be it. That’s life, kid. No happily ever after for you. Quit whining about it.

John meeting Dean in the future: No wife and kids? 😢 No grandkids for Johnny Boy? 😢 No house with white picket fence? Why you still hunting?????? Johnny sad 😢

#fuck john winchester #anti john winchester #dean winchester #spn #supernatural

[caslesbo]

#i thought i posted this when i made it last year but i can’t find it on my archive #anyways. founding tenet of this blog #supernatural #anti john winchester #(so the john girlies don’t get me) #my edit #op.txt

[sastiel-is-my-serotonin]

(this is a repost)

This has been on my mind lately. First, let me make this clear, this is not a Dean positive post. Do not try to make it so. I understand how Dean came about to be as he is but I do not sympathize with him. I'd be ashamed of myself if I did.

Dean does not see Sam as a person, that is fairly obvious especially in later seasons but that isn't what I have been pondering lately.

I have been thinking about how Dean perceives Sam and how it affects Sam. The best way I can describe it is, Dean sees Sam as a trophy that he has to protect because he was always told he had to.

Going along that thought, I have noticed how much Dean seems (is) resentful of the golden trophy his Father told him to keep safe.

Dean has made sacrifices in his childhood to keep his brother safe and Sam didn't always comply. Which is normal because Sam wasn't aware of these sacrifices. I've been in both Dean's and Sam's shoes and I understand how both feel.

How are you supposed to be grateful for something you don't know about? And it can be painful to make difficult sacrifices with no reward but I have never made a sacrifice expecting praise. It's not why you should make one.

So I see why Dean feels when Sam isn't aware of those sacrifices, Sam was being ungrateful. Sam isn't because when Sam learns about them he holds them in praise, but Dean still isn't satisfied. Because those sacrifices were never about Sam, it was about John and keep his trophy safe.

So it means nothing to Dean when Sam is mentally distraught and needs help as long as Sam is physically well and they can do their job without an issue.

And why Dean doesn't care about Sam the same way Sam cares about Dean.

Sam would rather go on without his brother to respect his brother's wishes of staying dead than to cling onto him when Dean doesn't want to live. Dean accepted his death so Sam had to as well.

When it was flipped, Dean didn't give a damn about if Sam was ready to go or not. Dean refused to let go so it trumped over Sam's feelings.

This is not a one-time thing, Dean is okay with people using Sam's autonomy and makes decisions, deals, with supernatural creatures to keep Sam alive, even if Sam isn't the same person he was before.

Sam can be reduced to nothing but as long as he is physically there and Dean can see him as his little brother, Sam can suffer.

Or how Dean sees it, Dad's trophy is the original and in one piece, I am doing my job. I have nothing to feel guilty about, I am in control.

That is not an older brother protecting his younger brother. That's Dean trying to control Sam and when he can't he manipulates Sam into doing what he wants. That is fucked up and I can never praise it.

Dean should have never been a parent so young and deserved a childhood, but Sam is not the one to fault for this, that is all on John Winchester.

#john winchester critical #anti john winchester #dean winchester critical #anti dean winchester #sam winchester

[werewolfnatural]

okay but the dean winchester of it all about Stiles like both were left with the household responsibilities by absent (and likely drunk) fathers and neither of them have felt like kids for the longest time after the deaths of their mothers

trying to focus on stiles here because of the conversations about the BH parents currently in the tags today but the sheriff may love Stiles but he definitely left Stiles to parent himself

he tries the whole “I’m the father/you’re the son” but Stiles hasn’t seen it like that since Claudia died likely shifting when she first started getting sick and Stiles had to take care of her and himself because the sheriff was either working or drinking, and like dean Stiles probably had to care for his dad when he was drunk too and if Stiles’ anxieties are anything to go by then the sheriff wasn’t taking care of himself let alone a sick Claudia and young Stiles—that kind of anxiety doesn’t just stem from nowhere and I think it’s definitely in part to Stiles not being able to lose anyone else but also because he’s seen that the sheriff couldn’t be trusted to take care of himself

(this likely changed when he quit drinking but Stiles’ anxiety is still high so I don’t think that it actually changed all that much, and I think that stiles drives is part of all this bc yeah every kid wants to drive but I definitely think it was also bc it was a necessity he had no one to drive him places and needed to be able to go grocery shopping etc bc at least for Scott Melissa did do that much)

and I could talk forever how this can play into (nonsexual don’t fucking start) emotional incest with Stiles caring/monitoring the sheriff the way a partner would similarly to dean being compared to Mary so much and how both get judged for this by the fathers, like you’re the kid why aren’t you acting like a /normal/ kid but who else was there to care for them and keep the family going? Who else was there to take care of the fathers, who had proven they wouldn’t do it themselves, if not the kids? It’s kids parenting their parents while trying to raise themselves

and going off the Stiles caring like a partner would is definitely on the sheriff for not reinforcing boundaries, something that’s definitely impacted Stiles since (especially in the first seasons) we see him lack boundaries with his obsession with Lydia and with his and Scott’s broship (which are whole other posts god) but also with coach and the illegal shit he gets up to

Stiles has never had someone there pulling him back from too far and too much which is why I definitely think stiles raised himself, he has his own specific morals (he’s actually pretty violently inclined sometimes, especially for those he loves) plus the lack of faith in any higher authority that stems from being left/neglected from the authority that was supposed to care for you and protect you, because the sheriff did leave Stiles with Claudia a lot even after she had attacked Stiles in her state, because whether Stiles ever actually processed that or not it would’ve felt like a betrayal—that the sheriffs job was more important than stiles’ safety, and Stiles lying to the sheriff about everything regarding the supernatural totally lends to Stiles not trusting the sheriff to believe him (which happens) or trusting that a higher authority (the cops/adults in BH) to actually do anything about it and also lends to Stiles still being the protector/carer in their relationship

I could go on and on with more examples but I’ve already rewritten this like five times trying to word it for the last hour and I’m still not happy with it but I love digging into these complicated familial relationships and talk about Stiles (and dean) forever

#stiles stilinski #teen wolf #tw #anti john stilinski #anti noah stilinski #anti sheriff stilinski #I tagged the anti tags just to be sure since the fandom really likes to think he’s a good parent #beacon hills parent hate club creeping up there to be with my anti John winchester hate club lmao #anti john winchester #my stuff

[deancasbisexual]

if john winchester has 0 haters, i'm dead. nobody hates that mf more than me. I want them to bring him back in the revival just so I can watch him die again. I can't even begin to describe the hate I have in my heart for john winchester.

#anti john winchester #spn #supernatural

[godstielcult]

John Winchester apologists give off the same vibe as people that say that they were beat as kids and not traumatized as a way to justify beating their own kids

#spn #supernatural #fuck john winchester #anti john winchester #just to preface #i just hate john

[spookyblazecoffee]

Contrary to popular belief, I don’t think Adam just let the ghoul eat him, at least, not at first.

He saw through the one pretending to be his mom and fought tooth and nail to survive.

He used the adrenaline coursing through his veins to fight the ghouls away, but he gave up in the end when he ran into his mother's room and saw her lifeless body on the floor.

When he saw his mom, the woman that raised him, covered in blood and heard the monster pretending to be her calling his name, saying that he and Kate were just pawns in the ghouls' game to get to John, he cursed the man.

He barely even knew his father, and these monsters were going to kill him for just being related to the wrong person?

He cursed John with each scream as the monster's teeth tore into him.

He cursed John even after he got to heaven, even after he got to see his mom again.

He cursed John when he was raised from the grave.

He cursed John when he got possessed by Michael.

He cursed John when he and Michael fell into the cage with Lucifer and Sam.

He cursed John the thousands of years he was trapped in the cage with Michael and Lucifer.

At some point, he started cursing God as well as John.

After all, God had left Michael to run heaven alone, and John had left Adam and his mom to fend for themselves, not even telling either of them about Adam's older brothers.

Adam cursed God and John when he and Michael were let out of the cage.

He had cursed God when Michael wasn't angry about being left in the cage even after he came back.

Adam, in his final moments, cursed John for leaving himself and his mom, and he would curse God for leaving Michael and the other angels until he took his actual final breath.

Adam cursed God when he felt himself being torn away from Michael.

He was torn from the only being other than his mother to actually care for him.

Adam cursed Chuck when he and Michael were resurrected by Jack, and when Michael told him what Chuck had done.

He cursed Chuck for lying to Michael, cursed Chuck for leaving, cursed Chuck for not caring whether humanity lives.

Adam cursed his dad, he cursed Michael's dad, and he will continue to curse both of them until he runs out of air, which he will never do.

#Supernatural #Adam Milligan #Kate Milligan #Michael Supernatural #Anti John Winchester #Anti Chuck Shurley

[anewkindofme]

What’s the argument that Dean is more of a mom than Sam’s father, if I may ask? Sorry, I just gush over character interpretations from other users!!

I think Dean radiates maternal energy vs paternal. This does go back into the basic gender roles that are set long ago, but I think for the time that Dean and Sam were growing up, it translates. When Dean gets into Mary's head he says...

For 4 years, Dean grew up with both parents. We see in the "road to heaven" episode that John would often disappear for a couple of days, leaving Mary alone with the boys. Therefore, she was the one cooking meals, comforting them when they were hurt or sick, doing the most care for Sam.

Of course, fathers can (and should) do these things. However, I find it interesting that Dean says he had to be both mom and dad. Because the Winchester family fell into those matriarchal and patriarchal roles. And in these dynamics, the mom is almost always the true superhero. The one who makes the magic. Maybe some aren't working or the primary breadwinner, but they're the ones that get shit done. They're the real ones shaping the kids. Which is just what Mary did.

Dean stepped up into her shoes. Not John's. We have several references and even see him feeding Sam. Fixing him up when he's hurt (the knock knock jokes). Making sure he got to bed, did his homework, etc. He made the magic and raised Sam into the man he was. John would step in and help at certain points. But as John writes in his own diary (which I've only read excerpts of), he wasn't the one raising him.

Dean was extremely parentified. But he was pushed into the role that the family was suddenly lacking. While I believe John was a better father before Mary died, he was still not very present. He was there to play with the kids and provide. But not do the day to day. Dean says "it (Mary & John's marriage) was only perfect after she died". Telling us that things weren't great. Dean romanticized it so Sam wouldn't hate John more than he already did and so he'd have an image of a "perfect family to cling to". When Mary died, John needed a mother for Sam as well as a father to patch up the holes as he didn't have it in him to do the bare minimum anymore.

There's also hints in the "road to heaven" episode that Dean was already parentified back then. He comforts his mother (and as this is a memory, we know this isn't just Adult!Dean trying to comfort her). Sam says Dean was cleaning up John's messes from Day 1. I don't think it was to the extent that it'd become, but even from a young age, Dean was acting as the husband Mary needed. Then she died and he became the wife John needed.

I hope I'm explaining myself well. Because I'm sure this can come across as a misogynistic point of vew. As I said, men should do all of these things day to day. And now, in 2024, there have been leaps and bounds of fathers doing all the mothers do.

But Dean was born in 1979. Sam came along in 1983 and Mary died the same year. Things were different during this time. Fathers weren't taking on these roles.

I don't think Sam thinks too hard about what role Dean took on. He's just a second parent. But clearly, Dean recognizes that he took on that motherhood role. Because that's what the family needed. It shouldn't have fallen on him, but it did.

Thanks for listening to my rambles! I hope they make sense, haha.

#parentification #deansam #dean winchester #sam winchester #mary winchester #anti john winchester #spn #supernatural #anon asks #asked and answered

[whitedemon-ladydeath]

never thought I'd see people say John Winchester, one of the most infamous abusive parents, wasn't abusive. they say it point blank, spell it out with crayons and ppl still think he wasn't??????

anyways enjoy this edit I found spelling it out for the people in the back

#mary winchester #anti john winchester #supernatural

[cecenyss]

THIS IS SO FUCKED UP

#adam milligan #sam winchester #john winchester #supernatural #spn #anti john winchester #like actually fuck john winchester #adam deserved better #adam spn #in this house we kill john winchester on sight