#wincest if you squint

[quinneleanor]

One thing I find so interesting about Sam and Dean's childhood is how outsiders must've perceived Dean's outbursts when Sam's safety was at risk.

On the playground, teachers catch Dean pummeling Sam's bully. The kid is on the ground, nose a broken, bloody mess and Dean's still swinging, teeth bared in a silent snarl. Sam is holding his face in his hands, staring, disturbed and somber, at Dean's feral display. Later, there'll be a call from the principal but it's the 90s and John's busy, so of course nobody picks up. The teachers think something is seriously wrong with Dean, but Sam knows the truth. They try to get Dean evaluated by the district's child and adolescent psychiatrist but John's not there to give the green light so it's fruitless. Still, they keep a closer eye on Sam's older brother.

It's that type of raw protectiveness that bleeds into their teenage years and beyond. As an adult, Dean doesn't care how he and Sam are perceived because he's used to the uncomfortable stares, inquiring glances, and veiled whispers. At the end of the day, Sam is his kid, no matter if the dude's a giant grown-ass man. He'll always be that shy, timid kid on that playground.

#supernatural #samdean #sam winchester #dean winchester #bromance #sam and dean #Wincest #Wincest if you squint #supernatural theories #weecest #weirdcest #gencest #parentified child #Spn

[ficmesideways]

Request for Anonymous Gif Source: Sam and Dean (Unknown)

Imagine Dean and Sam making out with you.

------- Imagine -------

You don’t remember who had initiated it and you really didn’t fucking care as Dean had pulled you by the neck  toward him in a fierce kiss before he lifted you into his arms with ease. You moaned gripping at his hair before a larger body pulled you from behind and rotated you in his arms, you feet never touching the ground as Sam gripped at your ass hard as he held you. He smirked and then bent you backward over a table biting at your chin and then moving further down to your neck before finally biting at your nipple through your shirt. You let out a shout in pain and then moaned as Sam blew cool air onto your nipple. He stood above you then pressing himself between you legs before gripping his shirt in his large hands and pulling to either side, tearing the shirt completely.

“Fuck.” You groaned about to reach for him when Dean pulled him back and replaced Sam’s body with his own. “I think Sammy needs to learn to share.” Dean said lifting you from the table and spinning to land you on the bed with him over top of you. He gave you a quick kiss on your lips before leaning up on one arm and twisting to look back where his brother was. The movement had his hips pressing harder into your still clothed core making you moan under him. Dean smirked and then holding out his other hand to his brother said, “Care to join us Sammy?”

#my imagines #gifs not mine #female reader #supernatural imagine #dean winchester imagine #sam winchester imagine #spicy content #wincest if you squint

[supernaturalkickparty]

Well it's 9:52 and I've written my last fic of 2022 and hoping to start my new one on Monday. So for now here's a fic I wrote that's got teenchesters, angst, a photo of Mary that's everything to Sam, pining idiots, and just all the feels. Written for my bestie @fandom-hoarder 🖤

#sam winchester #dean winchester #teen dean winchester #teen sam winchester #spn fanfic #gencest #teenchesters #weechesters #weirdcest #<<<ish #wincest if you squint #ash writes #happy nee year and all that jazz #sammary #<<<<adjacent through feels

[ziallshipperforlife]

Chapters: 1/1 Fandom: Supernatural (TV 2005) Rating: Not Rated Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings Relationships: Dean Winchester/Sam Winchester, Dean Winchester & Sam Winchester Characters: Dean Winchester, Sam Winchester, Impala (Supernatural) Additional Tags: Sharing a Bed, Cuddling & Snuggling, Dean Winchester & Sam Winchester Cuddling, Hurt Dean Winchester, Mostly Gen, Wincest if you squint, Crying Sam Winchester, Overprotective Dean Winchester, Guilty Sam Winchester, Protective Sam Winchester, Pre-Slash, Accidental Kissing, Fluff and Angst, Self-Sacrificing Dean Winchester, POV Sam Winchester Series: Part 2 of Wincest Oneshots Summary:

Sam is worried and feels a bit guilty, when Dean throws himself in danger (again) to protect him.

#sam and dean #deanwinchtser #dean winchester #samdean #sam winchester #wincest #wincest if you squint #preslash #bed sharing #cuddling & snuggling #hurt dean winchester #ao3 #supeernatural

[newtdrawz]

Me trying to draw Cas in my style + some doodles 🫶🏻 (all the doodles are based off reaction pics/emojis 😭😭😭)

The "say hello" part is based off a tiktok I saw where the "hello!" Is just loud squeaking and I thought it was funny lol

#spn #spn fanart #fanart #supernatural #supernatural fanart #sam winchester fanart #sam winchester #dean winchester fanart #castiel fanart #dean winchester #castiel #dean and cas #dean and sam #sam and dean #destiel #kinda if you squint #ig #fun little doodles #i love them #the winchester brothers #not wincest #destiel fanart #if you want it to be #lol #doodles

[cyi-can-you-imagine]

Quiet Enough

John’s snoring in the next bed and Dean’s got his hand down his brother’s pants.

Sam groans and arches his back. “Dean,” he gasps.

Dean slides his lips across Sam’s ear.  “Yeah, baby?” he breathes hotly, whisper quiet.

“Don’t stop.”

Dean smiles in the darkness.

“Don’t plan on it, baby boy.”

They think they’re quiet enough, but in the bed next to them, John’s eyes are wide open as he stares at the wall, his blood turning ice cold.

#wincest #weecest if you squint #john knowa #oops

[codependentfreaks]

Sam and Dean + The Loneliest by Maneskin

#supernatural #samdean #sam winchester #dean winchester #sam and dean #gencest #spn #angst #edit #supernatural edit #spn edit #song #Maneskin edit #wincest #if you squint #carry on #s15e20: carry on #season 15

[quietwingsinthesky]

your jo/dean/sam fic??👀👀👀

lmao yeah it took me a minute to find it in my wip folder because none of these fics have titles that make it easy on me (fun fact: it was sitting between one fic titled "oh my god" and another titled "choking your brother to death as an act of devotion" my wip folder is so normal)

ANYWAY. basic premise of this fic is that while I was watching s2 with my friend, I was thinking about her flirting with Dean, about how the original plan (Kripke's idea, i believe?) was for her to be their half-sister, and internally going "hey uh eric. hey eric. why was your idea directly after 'she's their sister' that 'she should want to fuck dean'" and then combine that with s2 having absolutely insane vibes around sam & dean, and i started putting together a little rewrite. nothing too fancy, just What If jo kept hunting with the boys, what if the three of them had insane sexual tension, what if she was secretly their half-sister. what if there is no escape from the winchester family curse no matter how much you try to hide from it.

it is also a fic i started for kinktober with the prompt of the day being "double penetration" asjdlaksjd. and then about 9000 words later i did not finish it in time.

i've tried to find a snippet that makes sense all on its own to share, but they're all very tied into each other, referencing lines from earlier parts and such. still! turns out i do have a little of the playthings part of the draft finished that mostly works standalone. just keep in mind this is very unfinished, try not to judge too harshly ^-^

He helps Sam into bed and watches him drunkenly snuggle into the mattress. Dean’s got the horrible urge to laugh because he knows just how shitty Sam will feel come morning and thinking about him whining over a hangover is better than lingering on Sam’s death wish. He won’t remember anything Dean said, that’s what he holds onto. He’ll be too busy vomiting his guts up to know what Dean just promised him.

Dean turns, and there’s Jo. He’s yanked violently out of his and Sam’s tiny world and into one where Jo’s brown eyes have witnessed every transgression this night. Dean wishes the worst of it was what he promised Sam, but he can still smell Sam’s breath as it beat against his face, his lips centimeters from Dean’s, dipping and swerving like he wanted as badly to kiss him as to run and never come back.

Jo is staring.

Dean goes on the offensive. It’s easiest.

“You let him get like this while we’re working?” he asks. Jo’s face ricochets through emotions, wide, confused eyes to her mouth twisting into a scowl to it falling open a little, head tipped into astonishment more than anything else.

“You think I could have stopped him?” There’s a slur to her words that Dean picks up on. She hears it, too, shakes her head. “I thought we were having fun. And then, I thought he was trying to prove he could drink me under the table. And then, he got...” She gestures at Sam. Sam snores, always so helpful. She looks between him and Dean. She meets Dean’s eyes, and then her gaze falls, in a way that should be familiar and instead leaves him nauseous, to his lips.

“Jo,” he says, “please.” He wants to say that he’s begging please don’t tell anyone else. But... cat’s out of the bag. There’s no way she can’t be putting the pieces together. He knows what he’s really asking. Please don’t look at this like it’s something ugly. Don’t look at Sam like he’s a monster. Don’t look at me like I ruined everything.

(And deep down, he’s crying out, please don’t leave me, please don’t leave me, I know you will one day but don’t let it be now, not for this.)

Jo’s gaze darts over to Sam again. She’s got her arms crossed.

“Please,” Dean says again.

“He was drunk,” she says, slowly. It’s almost like a way out. Pretend this never happened. Go back to normal. Only Dean can’t take that option either, not if she knows and she hasn’t run away screaming yet. Just one more person to bear this secret, and maybe it won’t be so heavy. (Jo doesn’t deserve to have to carry it, to have to hide it, but Dean is so tired of him and Sam being the only ones.)

She waits for him to take the out. He doesn’t.

“But that’s not why he was trying to stick his tongue in your mouth,” she finishes.

“He’s messy when he’s had too many.” Dean’s voice is too strained.

“You’re real fucked up, you know that?” Jo says. Dean expects it to come with a slamming door or something thrown at him. It doesn’t.

“I know,” he says. “We know.”

“Who else?”

“What?”

“Who else knows?” Dean shrugs.

“I don’t know.” Gordon’s eyes, narrowed and disgusted and murderous. “We don’t exactly give that info out freely.”

“Just me, then?” Dean could point out that he didn’t tell her either, that she eavesdropped on him and Sam’s private world. It doesn’t change anything, and besides, he’s telling her now, isn’t he? Can't help himself.

“It’s just you,” he confirms. “You gonna stand on a street corner and start shouting ‘Extra! Extra! The Winchesters are brotherfuckers!’” Jo grimaces.

"Don’t put words in my mouth. I'm not going to tell anyone," she says. “I’m not- Let me think.” She puts her hand to her forehead, grimace deepening, and then he hears her mutter, “Fuck.” He knows that tone very well. He’s said that exact word that exact way dozens of times. Jo stumbles as fast as she can into the bathroom. She manages to make it to the toilet before she starts retching. Dean moves without thinking twice, bending down next to her and gathering up her hair in his hands. He holds it out of her face and listens to her curse around the burn of stomach acid and alcohol in her throat. When she’s done, she slumps. Dean flushes for her.

He should probably back off. Let her go.

He strokes her back instead. He can just barely feel her heartbeat against his palm, reaching through muscle and skin and the thin fabric of her tank top to reassure him she’s still here.

#in terms of like. wincest-adjacent fic that i have written. this is definitely tilting more into the gothic horror side of things. #the 'this family is a tar pit and once you step in you can't get back out' kind. and jo went wading before she had any idea. #i mean there's quite literally a line that goes #'Truth is. him and Sam. they're a sinkhole. A gravity well. A rapid pair of dogs that infect whoever they bite. #and Jo was showing symptoms. There’s no cure that’ll work on her anymore.' #so that is the vibe. there are also cute parts like jo putting her feet up on the impala dashboard to annoy dean. #or her and sam passed out together and dean thinking that if he squints. she's almost like jess's ghost in his brother's arms. #because what's a little accidental incest horror without both the sexy bits and the fluff am i right. #jo/dean/sam #wincest #tw incest #ask #spn #fanfiction #jo harvelle #dean winchester #sam winchester #look away dev

[hurricanejane]

Sam is Edward, Dean is Bella pass it on.

#sam sparkles #dean had a rapidly aging baby #back to back twilight if you squint #samdean #wincest #7x14 plucky pennywhistle's magical menagerie

[zmediaoutlet]

14, 16 and 19 for Deanna please? 🙏🏻

14. Do you send nudes? Do you like receiving them?

DEANNA: I've only sent 'em once. Couldn't figure out how to take a picture that didn't feel awkward. Finally one time I was at a bar that had a full-length mirror in the bathroom -- no idea how it didn't get broken, that place was a dirthole -- and I locked the door and dropped my shorts and took a picture over my shoulder, all ass and legs. Got a decent response, when he got home.

Far as receiving -- most people don't have my real number, and I don't have like a... MySpace or whatever. Couple weirdos from cases have one of the burner numbers and every once in a while I'll open up one to wipe it and, pow, eyeful of saggy sack. Why I always take care of the phones. Sammy doesn't need to see that. For people I actually want to see their dick... eh. I mean, I'll look. Free porn, why not? I guess I get why other chicks get freaked about it, but shit. Lot scarier things in the world than some dude's sad little cock. Plus some of 'em are cute. Aw, lil guy.

16. Spit or swallow?

DEANNA: Spit with strangers, swallow with friends. Depending on how scuzzy the stranger, maybe no finishing in the mouth at all. If the stranger's SUPER gross then I'd rather just get fucked. I don't need a noseful of pee-soaked pubes. Let's just get it over with. (That one goes out to a certain motel manager in Tulsa. Grossest 3 minutes of my life.)

19. Oldest person you’d sleep with?

DEANNA: Personal or professional? Just joking. Personal -- I mean, I don't want liver spots to be involved. So what's that, like... sixty-five, seventy? I used to think that was old as shit but then I hooked up with a sixty year old who fucked my socks off, so. Old guys got patience and they aren't too quick off the starting line either, you know? Right about fifty's probably a sweet spot for that, though. Some silver in the beard. Always had a thing for guys with experience.

#answers #ask meme #happy wincest wednesday #if you squint #i mean who do you think got the ass picture #let's be real here

[ficmesideways]

Request for: Gonna be honest this was for me, myself, and I cause I couldn’t get it out of my head. Definitely rushed the story but do not care because it was fun to write. Gif Sources: Uknown

------- Imagine -------

You think your life is done, he took it all with him So you drink enough for it to wash away the sin Such a shitty thing he did, the way he said goodbye You can take it out on me if you like

You had drank and cried and hunted your way through the breakup. He had not been the love of your life or anything, but he had been counted as a friend and someone you trusted; and that’s what hurt most of all. Being a hunter, you could count on your hands the number of people you trusted and to lose one not from tragedy, but their own behavior was hard. The boys had been your rocks in the process, making sure you never got in over your head in the drinking or the hunting.

So, when a mutual friend of yours and your ex’s invited you to a party you decided you were not going to let him hold you back anymore. Still, that didn’t mean you couldn’t bring backup.  You had laid on your best puppy eyes (watching Sam do it so many times had taught you well) until they had both agreed to take you to the party and to help make your asshole ex jealous. You had thrown on your sexiest outfit and when you finally walked out of the bathroom, the looks on Dean’s and Sam’s told you that you had succeeded in the look you were going for. All three of you moved to the Impala preparing for the short drive to your friend’s place.

+

You hate the way he fooled around behind your back A slave to him, but now with me no strings attached But if you wanna use me up and leave me in the bed If that's what you need, go right ahead

They had barely left your side the whole time, whispering in your ear and standing close to just talk to you. They would run their hand over your arms, touching your lower back and even caressing your abdomen whenever they caught your ex watching. They would glare at him when doing this as if they were making it clear they had staked their claim on you. Other times though, their eyes never left you even when your ex was nowhere in sight.. Their touches and looks made your body heat in a way it hadn’t ever before with them. They had always been so close to you, your best friends; but tonight, you saw them in a different light. As two strong, virile, beautiful men that were doing this ridiculous charade to help you…because they cared for you. Cared for you in a way none of your exes ever had. You shook your head, needing to nip that kind of thinking in the bud before it cost you more than just your friendship.

That idea became increasingly harder to listen to when Dean had pulled you over to where others had started dancing. He held you tightly to him, one arm around you stomach and another on your hip grinding you ass back against him as song after song played. The sensual movement had you panting and turning to look back and up. Dean’s eyes were dark with both anger and lust, and it shot a jolt of pleasure straight to your core. He spun you around to face him and suddenly his lips were on yours. He took advantage of your shocked gasp, thrusting his tongue into your mouth and gripping your back hard. You recovered quickly though as the heat of his mouth made you moan, grabbing his face with your hand and kissing him just as hard.

You felt warmth at your back just before large hands spun you around and gripped your ass tightly, lifting you in the air. You squeaked in surprise before your eyes found Sam’s. He smirked at you and carried you quickly to another room. You noted it was a bedroom, and empty save for the three of you as Dean had followed your escape. Sam sat on the edge of a bed still holding you to him, making you straddle him as he sat and then covered your mouth with his. His kiss was different from Dean’s, mouth rougher and hungrier, his lips thinner but no less soft as they devoured your own.

You pressed your hand against Sam’s chest pulling back, panting. “What…what is this?” You asked looking back at Dean and then facing Sam again. You felt Dean move behind you and brush your hair to the side, giving your neck a slow kiss that had your eyes shutting and your body leaning back toward his. “Whatever you want it to be princess.” Dean whispered when he finally reached your ear. You shivered at his words and the sensation of his breath in your ear when you felt Sam drag the fingers of one hand over your breast. You moaned and placed your handing over his effecting stopping the movement but keeping his hand pressed tightly to you.

“And….and if I wanted everything?” You asked, not even sure yourself what the words meant.

“Then you get everything.” Sam whispered leaning in to kiss you but stopping a few inches from your mouth, letting you make the decision. You moaned releasing his hand and meeting him the rest of the way. They both moved then, moving you every which way in order to undress you as they both continued to kiss and touch and shift until you were in nothing but your bra, your panties having been tossed God knows where.

Fuck away the pain, erase him from your brain Fake it like you love me, come on, baby, touch me Show me where it hurts this dirty little curse Don't have to be ashamed if you wanna scream my name While I fuck away the pain

You now sat atop Dean on the bed as he lay back taking in the view as you rubbed yourself against him. “You feel fucking amazing.” Dean murmured, his hands grabbing at your ass as you rode him, your core colliding with his still jean clad cock.  You undulated against him seeking some relief to your need. Pleasure shot through you, and you rolled your hips again. He took your hands in his, giving you leverage to use as he grunted when you pressed harder into him. “That’s right princess, use us. Take whatever you need from us.”

You felt heat at your back again for the second time that night as Sam pressed against you, forcing you to bend closer to Dean. You released Dean’s hands and rested your full weight on him as Sam bit at your neck and cheek from behind . Then you felt his long, firm fingers as they traced your bare core. “So wet for us.” Sam said against your skin before you felt the hot press of his fingers as he slipped two inside of you. You moaned loudly and grabbed at Dean’s hair causing him to jolt under you pressing you harder into Sam’s fingers. “Please.” You begged before Dean took your mouth with his again.

Stronger then a shot of whiskey or any pill you take

That was the first time you begged that night, but it would not be the last as they took you apart over and over; letting you use them for your pleasure before even thinking of taking theirs. At the end of the night, and you the boys were back safe and cuddled on one hotel bed you couldn’t help but smile and cuddle into the two men surrounding you, hoping that this was the beginning of something more…something great…and with that thought you fell into the most relaxed sleep of your life.

#my imagines #gifs not mine #female reader #supernatural imagine #dean winchester imagine #sam winchester imagine #wincest #if you squint #spicy content

[loversofthegrave]

My favourite wincest fics recs

(because it's a duty and a service)

Other Brothers by homo_pink

summary: A callow boy can go from infancy to someone’s lover in the space of two wildflower summers.

reader note: top three favourite fic of all time, thinking of that post 'I'm never not thinking about other brothers by homo_pink' me too. Outisde POV, pre-series sam/dean

Flowers in the Impala by Evandar

summary: Kate wants them to be a family - really, she does - but there's something wrong with John's boys.

reader note: oh it's a delicious outside POV of how fucking weird our boys are. Pre-series sam/dean

Squint into the Sunset | Glare into the Gloaming by Dyed_Red

summary: The 70k-word nonlinear coming of age story that literally no one asked for.

"I know you want to give him the world, Dean, but you were never supposed to give him this."

reader note: I feel like this is an underrated fic, I really enjoyed it and I'd put it up there with the invisible boy series!

Howls in my bones by weefaol

summary: When John gets a call to investigate a series of grisly animal killings, he drops Sam and Dean at an abandoned cabin two towns over. The boys find ways to keep busy — playing cards, watching movies, chopping wood — but with a howling winter storm on the way, there’s nowhere for Sam to hide his illicit feelings for his older brother.

As the lure of desire threatens to devour him, Sam must learn to face the wolves that lurk outside and the monsters within.

reader note: so beautiful, one of my favourites. pre-series sam/dean

Letters from a Half-Finished Boy by homo_pink

summary: Dean discovers a secret journal Sammy's been writing in.

reader note: homo_pink again, I love all their spn fics. Oh angst teenage sammy I love you

Hot singles in your area by applecrumbledore

summary: In the video, the camera crawled up the kid’s body like a pair of lascivious eyes. The pan upwards revealed a sweet, pointed nose, and a mole to the left side of that nose.

Dean froze, watching. The kid’s eyes opened when the camera was still on his face, pupils darting nervously away, and those eyes were hazel green. A specific kind of hazel green that Dean had spent exactly thirty-six years looking at.

readers note: obsessed with the way Dean hunts down the guy Sam did porn with 21 years ago or so it's so canonically dean like that's exactly what he would do

#wincest #weecest #teenchesters #weechesters #pre-series sam/dean #sam/dean

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

Pre-Stanford Fic Recs

for @unkindcorvid, these are the Pre-Stanford (and into early seasons) Wincest fics that I have bookmarked. Mind the warnings and tags on each.

Who's afraid of the dark?

there's no such thing as a clean break, when your heart starts bleeding out

Scenes from the Laundromat

the gold room

Like Mirrors in the Distance

Is it hot in here? Or is it just…you?

Squint into the Sunset | Glare into the Gloaming

Cold Water

miles to go before I sleep

A Matter of Time

Less Than Dirt.

#wincest #wincest fic recs #pre-stanford wincest fic recs #pre-canon wincest fic recs

[sleepingbeautysammy]

a list in no particular order of wincest/spn fics that i want to crawl inside and never leave, that really pinpoint what i like abt samdean or spn etc etc just like. hits the nail on the head for me:

(btw if you have any fics that are kind of like these or u think i would like please let me see please)

dead unfinished selves by hathfrozen 

 i love cannibalism and horror and codependency and this hits all the marks for me!! so well written too. 

credence by road_rhythm 

sleeping beauty references 😍 somnophilia 😍 i loveeee this one sm. 

easy access by edwardina 

i love sam in skirts and i love breeding what can i say? 

good girl by blindswandive

this literally makes me short circuit so hard i love girlsam

the very first stone by road_rhythm 

every single chapter with the different povs stunned me. everything about this is perfect and sucks you right into their world. i cannot stress it enough i LOVE this fic. 

splinters by morgan

COWBOY SOUTHERN GOTHIC AU PREACHER JOHN FIRE STARTER SAM!!! god this fic is beautiful and stunning amazing i love it

distance swimmer by lichenthrope

god. f/f samdean does smth to me dean in this is sooo hot 

the palm oasis by fictionallemons

the world building in this is immaculate, the setting and mood sucks you in so deep i feel like i’m there with them. one of my fave eras too. 

wolfpack by tabaqui

okay this whole series really does it for me cause i love scary winchesters. there is a part with a mary prayer card in the second part that i cannot get out of my mind ever. 

they then ate the sailors by coyotesuspect

case fic that rattles my brain it’s so well rounded and thought out. i adore the apartment, the water, everything. 

tape by franceshouseman 

the voyeuristic quality and dirty talk in this fic is incredibly hot, i think about it a lot.

odysseus, american by coyotesuspect 

i love love loveeee classical references in fics, and the idea of dean listening to the odyssey delights me to no end. this fic brought a tear to my eye. love you dean 

show me again, shame takes hold by objectlesson

BUTCH DEAN. BUTCH DEAN. BUTCH DEAN. she makes me melt. 

squint into the sun | glare into the gloaming by dyed_red

god this one is good. i love the slow burn i love sam’s inability to be ashamed. loved the john pov. love a good john finds out fic please read this one

brother only wants by hathfrozen

god this slow burn is so so delicious it really pays off and all their little moments it’s like it really has all the aspects of their obsession w each other and their dynamic like the sex isn’t even the main point (tho when it finally happens 😍 fucking fireworks) so good

the blood in your mouth by hathfrozen

dean has cannibalistic thoughts about sam and they fuck nasty about it. i s2g idgaf i WILL rec individual fics by the same author if i see so fit.

an act of faith against the night by hathfrozen

this one is hot and heartbreaking at the same time. love it when sammy cries. s3, sam is upset about deans deal and they fuck nasty about it.

#supernatural #samdean #fic rec #wincest #save

[applecrumbledore]

The John finds out trope with wincest is so, so good. I'd love to see some fics you recommend! I've tried searching some myself but I find it surprisingly tough.

right!! I find it's not often tagged, which makes it tough. what I've also found going through my bookmarks for it is that I don't bookmark half enough stuff, which I learn every time someone asks me about my favourite fics like this. but I've got 2 off the dome, anyway!

Squint into the Sunset | Glare into the Gloaming by @dyed-red -- I haven't read this in a few years but everything phyn touches is gold and I remember deeply enjoying it. 70k and earns every word. I wish I could give more details but again: on the top of my re-read list

generosity by astolat-- a classic. I always feel silly recommending an astolat fic cause they're LITERALLY classics and I feel like we've all read them, but who knows. this one's untagged, short but sweet.

#ronanswers

[alaynestone]

You don’t have to post this if you don’t want. I just wanted to say I was one of those curious, openminded fans willing to entertain the idea of samjohn (mostly bc deanjohn feels so congruent with canon + there’s so much interesting meta on it that managed to convert me + incestuous households usually affect all of it’s members) but just like you said I was immediately put off by the blatant character assassination that pervades everything from fics to edits to the propaganda in that incest poll lmao.

I guess that’s the major difference - deanjohn requires little to no stretching of imagination bc it already fits seamlessly into canon, whereas samjohn almost demands ooc shenanigans to work.

I also just found the way fans talk about it nauseating for some reason, though that’s likely more of a reflection of my own personal triggers. I love digesting incest narratives, but the fetishistic angle of that blog really makes my stomach turn. That’s not a moral judgement on anyone else’s enjoyment btw! Just another reason why this ship didn’t resonate with me.

thank you for sending me this. it's clear that a lot of people feel the same way.

when i first joined fandom, the few j/s fics were straightforward evil!john non-con. not my thing, but i understood why it was written that way. then came the inexplicably popular fandom creation of "sexkitten sam" which continues to pollute the entire sam/dean fandom and of course extends to other ships too. i'm not even gonna get started on why that's "problematic" because that's not the point, it's not remotely in character. even as an exaggeration sam is not the kind of person to attempt to find agency in outward submission or objectification. he's very vocally not compromising his identity to please his family and especially john. dean is more like that so when you have sam acting like a fetishized pinterest aesthetic moodboard version of dean and dean acting like an old man from wattpad i'm understandably left squinting at the screen. then it's genderswapping sam and using that as a personality eraser because women are automatically submissive and naive and trad?

who is being converted by all this when it has nothing to do with sam, john or even dean? where is dean in all this actually? a core aspect of their family is that dean is closest to both sam and john who rarely had much opportunity to bond without him. there was a distance between sam and john throughout sam's childhood and adolescence. most of his parental needs were being fulfilled by dean even if that was never enough. their situation with their father wasn't the average one where they were simply 2 kids fighting for his attention.

for the most part j/s appears to be about "envying" dean's position in the family. it's about diminishing or straight up erasing dean and more notably about feminizing sam. either directly or otherwise. people generally seem to have big issues with the fact that sam is a man and confidently so. most of the annoying tropes in wincest fandom have this at their core. and of course in order for sam to be "the woman" dean needs to genuinely and authentically be the most stereotypical of cishet men. it's very transparent because right from the start the show poked holes at dean's performance of masculinity. it was very much the point. dean's gender issues could fill a book yet any alternative interpretation of sam and gender seeks to cast dean as the oppressive bigot who would never get it? stopping here before i get off topic but to make myself clear: in theory i respect headcanons i don't understand, but not when they spitefully exist to deny dean's depth in every possible way.

to return to my point about dean's pseudo spouse and mother position being enviable, it misses the point of how harmful john's parenting was to both of them. it's no coincidence that they both view themselves as the unfavorite. dean believes he's taken for granted, only valued for what he can give, how well he can perform his roles, how successfully he could play at being an adult even before he hit double digits. dean can't just exist and be himself while sam is uncompromisingly himself. because of that he believes john doesn't like him, never liked him, rejected him, didn't have time for him, didn't trust him enough with the family secrets, even when those secrets directly concerned him. as of season 1 he still has contempt for dean for what he views as unquestioning obedience to john and letting himself be molded by john. dean had to fight for every scrap of approval and affection and sam refused to do the same if it meant sacrificing his own needs and identity. not everyone reacts to abuse the same way and both characters are very much shaped by their different reactions to their environment. and any j/s shipper argument that is built on the idea that sam was the one john loved more is not only gleefully mocking dean's parentification but ignoring that sam being comparatively sheltered and treated like a son is yet another reason why john would not cross such a line with him. dean "gets it", dean lost mary too, dean is his partner and his confidant, dean can handle adult responsibilities, dean is loving and supportive, dean isn't making him confront his parenting failures, dean can't say no to him. like you said, it doesn't at all stretch the imagination to make j/d fit into dean's backstory. "you are not a child" - "i never was".

as i have been saying, any remotely ic exploration of j/s would have to follow both j/d and s/d. i can't believe in a universe where j/s is the only incest that happens in the family. i think a theoretical plausible j/s fic would have to not only accept but embrace its adjacency to the 2 ships that are compliant with the canon. but whether sam knows for a fact about j/d or not, there's no way he isn't severely impacted by the proximity to that relationship in a number of ways and that's a very compelling dynamic in its own right.

tldr i agree with you anon. people can read and write whatever they want but there's a big difference between incest subtext that is believable and just saying things in a way that's meant to provoke.

#but i think most baffling of all is the trend of j/s being paired up with pro john rhetoric #''john loved sam too that's his boy!! so obviously he was molesting him too'' #whaat #incest////