#troy starts talking

[whump-in-the-closet]

klaus hargreeves is *squints eyes* incredibly whumpee-shaped

#if not whumpee why covered in blood and dealing with unspeakable horrors #not whump #troy talks #man. there should be more characters like klaus. #peak character design #unsure if i want to be him or be with him #okay that’s all i’ll shut up now #troy starts talking #<— tag to block if you don’t want to see this kind of unrelated rambling #anyway #the umbrella academy #klaus hargreeves

[brother-emperors]

DO NOT BE AFRAID

this is combining Ovid's Heroides and the Excidium Troie because I can't stop thinking of Hermes telling him not to be afraid. what the fuck!! Ares is wearing the crown that Paris gave him.

I have. thoughts. about Paris. he's almost got this Troilos parallel in my mind, that the event that defines him in detail exists in a lost narrative that we don't have (the Cypria), but everyone else knew. the event that defines Troilos is his death (murdered, butchered by Achilles, the violence of which haunts everything after. Achilles, child killer, you can't escape that!), and the event that defines Paris is the Judgement. what's a lost text but a kind of grave!!

idk I don't think that Paris before the Judgement would recognize himself after bc when you become god touched, it rearranges your guts. you become transformed in the worst way possible! how could you recognize yourself! but I also think that all the Parises after the Judgement would recognize each other because that event is so locked into the trauma of war and the scar it leaves on the land, it's like a scar on the narrative too. it exists like this forever, over and over again, so you exist like that forever too. Troy collects grief and despairs.

Troy as trauma: Reflections on intergenerational transmission and the locus of trauma, Andromache Karanika

and Paris is like. a miserable little god/corpse-puppet or something, like a match for the gods to throw onto gasoline.

The Excidium Troie + Ovid's Heroides:

Excidium Troie, trans. Muhammad Syarif Fadhlurrahman

Ovid, Heroides 16 (trans. Harold Isbell)

a collection of things regarding Paris that made me go 😬 but under a cut bc this is getting. very long.

The Divine Twins in Early Greek Poetry, Corolla Torontonensis

Iliad 24 and the Judgement of Paris, C.J. Mackie

Elegy and Epic and the Recognition of Paris: Ovid "Heroides" 16, Elizabeth Forbis Mazurek

Ennian Influence in "Heroides" 16 and 17, Howard Jacobson

Paris/Alexandros in the "Iliad", I. J. F. de Jong

#long post #paris of troy #komiks tag #it's all greek to me #like. DISTANTLY. its #the iliad #drawing tag #listen i know it's fun to dunk on paris. but im a chronic killjoy. i know its cringe. mea culpa etc #i would love. I WOULD LOVE. to draw a comic and not have the commentary notes be longer than the comic itself #unfortunately i like to read and i cannot stop talking about things that i read. so this will not be changing. #ngl i keep hearing the last line 'my brother says you are a just judge' as 'and brutus says he is an honorable man' and that's smth for sur #god i wish this was shorter but then i remember it could've been longer bc i started drawing this while watching #some excellent korean horror but then i looked at myself in the mirror and said 'no. get your shit together.' #but that show is what sparked this. the themes. god i love shows. a round of applause for tv shows. #in a different world theres a version of me that didn't exercise self restraint and there's 30 screen caps from a horror show here too

[beatsheetromanroy]

Community 3x06 // Supernatural 4x07

"Secret handshake?"

"I am not a hammer, as you say."

#an autistic man with dark hair and big wet mysterious eyes is best friends with #the popular charming guy who's insecure about his intelligence #let's talk about it!!! #supernatural #community #deancas #destiel #trobed #dean winchester #castiel #troy barnes #abed nadir #communitynatural #starting to connect some dots here #shows about the controlling prison of a narrative feat. #Lead Guy With Issues #spn #derryth.txt

[lesbianwithchainsaws]

I wanted to make a post starting with "There's no heterosexual explanation for the way Troy and Abed" and start talking about specific events in a specific episode, but y'know I don't even think I need more than that.

There's no heterosexual explanation for Troy and Abed

#the episode i was going to talk about was the one where they try to be normal but really i could talk about like every episode #and start it with that #trobed #troy barnes #abed nadir #nbc community #community

[homewrecking-lore]

rewatched star trek nemesis and hoo boy all i gotta say is

#star trek nemesis #tng #data soong #data tng #jean luc picard #b4 #b4 soong #that deleted mess hall scene is unnnnnnncomfortable #and data talking to picard about how b4 doesnt want to grow #who cares??? why does he need to want to be human? #maybe he could just grow in other ways? #data it took you nearly 30 years and one geordi la forge to get you to try a hobby #also the end scene how data wanted to be human and how he hopes one day b4 will be the same #and b4 just goes 'but my brother wasnt human' #honestly go OFF b4 tell it like it is #he's not wrong!! and again WHY are they philosophizing to an android who was only just reactivated and then completely tampered with #and then surprised that he's not debating the human condition with them? #unrelated but dont even get me started on what this movie did to troi. RAGE. #but yeah keep b4 away from data and picard PLEASE and THANK YOU

[rainbownixie]

these feel oddly similar and it's scaring me

#HEAR ME OUT IT MAKES SENSE #best friends??? highly scared of losing each other???? the sister-figure of one starts dating the other???? #no no no no but it's so damn accurate #because then troy realizes he likes britta better as a friend and then goes fucking running without hesitation to abed again #and abed is always highly jealous and heartbroken but never says anything to not mess everything up #i could talk about this all day tell me if y'all want me to make an actual post #community and st parallels my beloveds #byler #trobed #stranger things #community

[longagoitwastuesday]

I've also been reading the three musketeers and the thesis chapter had me Cackling. the clowning on learning latin in particular and aramis as a character constantly emphasizing that being part of the higher sought after and hard-to-get-into regiment of the king's musketeers is just kind of a temp job for him is so funny. character of all time. (also bazin wanting aramis to be a abbe so bad is so good)

Disclaimer that I was actually not reading the book, just giving a look and toying with the idea of reading it soon. In fact I was reading something else, but the chapter was so funny I've abandoned it and will probably start The three musketeers instead xD

Yes! Bazin was so funny. While reading him I couldn't help but be reminded of Smee wanting to leave Neverland and done with Hook's obsession for Peter Pan. Aramis dismissing being a musketeer is hilarious, but it becomes particularly funny after reading Cyrano de Bergerac, where Cyrano mentions being a musketeer wistfully a couple of times. While I was reading the play I kept thinking that Cyrano's aspirations were basically to be Aramis haha

The use of Latin each character (the curate, the Jesuit, D'Artagnan and Aramis) does was indeed very funny, as well as insightful. I ended up reading a paper on the command each of the four protagonists has of Latin, and I loved the comparison it established between Athos and Aramis. I don't have an opinion on this formed because I have yet to read the book, which is a good thing (it will hopefully keep me from rambling), but I found what I read super interesting.

The chapter was very funny, and I felt Dumas managed everything very well? I loved the writing itself. Every part of the chapter worked wonderfully as a whole to enhance every aspect, making the funny parts more fun and drawing a more clear lively depiction of the characters.

By that I mean, basically, that even from the initial interaction between D'Artagnan and the hostess in which he asks for Aramis and she goes "the charming hot guy?" we can see Aramis' hypocrisy and unsteadiness by a mile. It's hilarious to read the chapter and see how Aramis ends up contradicting everything he does or says, at times not even that long after saying it xD

Which takes me to the thesis itself. Honestly, I loved the topics. I know they're supposed to sound a bit ridiculous and funny, but I thought Dumas conveyed very well the air of some of those intricate questions of theology that seem trifle but have a lot of implications, and end up being of a very poetic nature (such as the question about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, one of my all time favourite questions). I wasn't very interested on the topic of the hands until the Jesuit commented that sprinklers "simulate an infinite number of blessing fingers"; that's beautiful.

Now, the topic Aramis himself proposes is just gorgeous. The way he defends it with a syllogism is so clever of Dumas considering the link between theology and the development of Logic. Besides that, despite how unorthodox the topic may appear at first, as Aramis himself puts it, there is a lot of truth in what he says about the world being full of temptations and it being very much a sacrifice to leave it, and how there lies the devotional act. I ended up being very intrigued by the potential development of this thesis in a mix of appreciation of the world as God's creature, and thus the leaving of the world as an act of true love for God, of more importance; how instead of an easy surrender, the struggle and doubts are as much reflection of the condition of humanity's frailty as it is a more steady and full surrender to God.

The topic of Aramis' thesis is somewhat paradoxical yet sound, and reflects doubts, as well as an appreciation for the world, aesthetics and beauty; I think it reflects so much of what makes Aramis himself.

And then, again, there's the whole hypocrisy through the entire chapter (which is what makes it for me haha). The way he says he isn't defending a regret at renouncing the world while proposing the thesis, that the mere idea is sacrilegious, how he insists he won't miss it, that friends are but shadows and the world a grave, and still how his resolution wavers almost instantly with his "And yet, while I still hold to the earth, I would have liked to talk with you, about you, about our friends" (and what a tender shaking), only to end up asking D'Artagnan to tell him about the world in the last line? Hilarious. What an hypocrite xD

But how extremely charming and adorable, I must admit! I love how when D'Artagnan tells him "But how are you going to live while you wait for me? No more thesis, no more commentaries on fingers and blessings, eh?", Aramis smiles and replies "I shall compose verses". Truly one of the characters of all time xD

#Aramis #The three musketeers #Les trois mousquetaires #I want to keep this to find later on. I'm truly sorry for the tags #And I'm sorry for talking a lot. I honestly tried to keep it short but there's so much I wanted to talk about‚ the chapter is so good #In fact there are a lot of things I haven't mentioned or developed that I loved #such as the fact that Dumas waves the chapters in such a way that that of Aramis starts with Porthos‚ while the chapter of Athos #starts with Aramis‚ linking the three friends together metatextually as they are linked together narratively by D'Artagnan visiting them #I also wanted to ask whether Aramis was the anon's favorite character and whether they had opinions on his position vs. Athos' for example #But the anon being an anon makes it hard to ask #I wanted to talk a bit about the developing of theology through paradoxes and Logic at times and how fitting that seemed for Aramis' thesis #He reminded me a bit of theologians such as Dionysius the Areopagite and Scotus Eriugena among others‚ and even Kierkegaard #But I must admit I always think too much about Neoplatonism and it's been long since I read these authors thoroughly so it may be a stretch #I had a lot of fun imagining the potential development of the thesis Aramis proposes though. Now I want the thesis now haha #And truly‚ the writing of the entire chapter was a thing of genius in how every little thing has later significance #to enhance something else. Such as the joke with Aramis moralising about the food‚ the conversation with the hostess‚ #D'Artagnan's overall discomfort as if mad fanatics‚the world as something to renounce but the instant temptation of asking for his friends‚ #the way D'Artagnan reads Aramis like a book and how he blushes and responds in poetic yet theological terms with too much fierceness #The way he blushes and exposes himself #And the entire thesis Aramis proposes being a good reflection on his character (no wonder he is adamant on pursuing that one #and only that one‚ like a calling). How the chapter and the thesis are a good summary on his character #But also how those lines I quoted‚ D'Artagnan asking what hell do and Aramis smiling and replying he'll write verses‚ are as well #Truly‚ the writing was so good. And yes‚ I agree with the anon completely #Character of all time #I suspect I'd love him immensely #Even in this chapter alone he was everything I wanted and more of what I didn't dare to expect. Now I just want to see him plotting #I loved these fragments so much that now I fear reading the entire book and being let down xD #Oh but I'm rambling again... #Anyway! Thank you for the ask and sorry it took me so long to reply. I had a lot of fun with it #Too much‚ that's why I took so long to reply. I read and reread and then I wasn't able to summarise. Thanks for indulging me in my fun xD

[donnatroyyyy]

That one scene from the Barbie trailer where Barbie’s like “have any of you ever thought of dying?” And the music just stops and everyone looks at her like she’s crazy but it’s Graduation Day Donna as Barbie and the titans as the people looking at her like she’s crazy

#‘’I- an Amazonian who for what we know might have the ability of prophecy am having these prophecy like dreams of me dying in battle and #they’re getting more vivid and frequent since I started having them a few months ago’’ #Dick: 👀😧😮🫤🫠🤔 #titans: have you talked to Diana- possibly the only one who can either help you figure out if it’s an actual prophecy- who just so happens #to live with you- about this?? maybe she’d even be able to stop it if it was a prophecy #Donna: no❤️😘🥰😍 #comics #dc comics #donna troy #wonder girl #titans #teen titans #young justice #troia

[leolaroot]

Troi and Tasha take turns learning how to sit on grass wearing a vest

#troi #tasha #outside is SO overwhelming if youre an indoor kitty who was born in a shelter. #why is it smelly. why is there grass. #after about a minute of just standing in place tasha started meowing SOOO LOUD idk who she was talking to #if they both like walks ill get a second vest eventually maybe..... we'll see

[roobgumball95]

the babygirlification of patroclus is the second worst thing about the song of achilles, the first of course being the fandom 🙏

#he’s like…. not a baby uwu gay 🙏 god bless though #me when i storm the battlefield and kill a bajillion people and climb the walls of troy 💀 and a full fucking god has to stop my ass 💀💀😭 #me when i am a well rounded warrior in my own right and just because i cry for my friends that die does not mean i cry because of battle #also….. i am so serious when i say i’m better than you bc i read the iliad💀💀💀💀 #TODAY i saw someone say they hated patroclus in the iliad and that the only sad part is hector/hektor’s death #girl 💀💀 how did you had patroclus he had 30 lines of dialogue 😭 #secondly ofc hec/ktor’s death is the sad part he represents all of troy 💀 the iliad is a tragedy 💀 the fall of troy is morally ambiguous #the fall of troy led to the death of thousands 💀 its a war with deaths on all sides 💀 of fucking course it’s sad when troy incarnate fals #anyway i’m so severely sick of people who don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about #oh also if you disagree pls don’t start i’ll probably cry and i don’t care enough to argue 🙏🙏

[whump-in-the-closet]

hey guys the bad news is i’m heading back to uni so i won’t be super active for a bit. good news is i think i’ll be better at managing my time this semester and i’ll still get on tumblr and write prompts/drabbles. it just won’t be like every day

peace

#troy starts talking #also. to the anons i haven’t answered yet #i’m sorry i’ll get to the asks i swear to you

[peach-pot]

saw someone on tik tok say that troy is the heart of the study group… jeff winger did not call britta just that in an episode for you to disrespect her like this.

#community #they also called him the person the study group wouldn’t exist without… ok now we’re literally just making shit up. #britta is the person Jeff started the study group because of. the group continues after troy leaves the show. what’re we talking about #I love troy don’t get me wrong but I am first and foremost a britta defense r #hannah talks sometimes #in the same video though this person said the show was about Jeff and pierce fighting to be the main character so #obviously not a trustworthy source

[opal-apples]

not to be an Absolute Hater but :/// the thing about those of us who had Patroclus feelings (me im talking about me personally) before reading tsoa is like i feel the need to over explain myself when I'm talking about him all the time now like. yes I love him I feel like he's one of the most important characters in the entire epic and its NOT bc he's been WOOBIFIED its bc he contains multitudes

#no hate to the book!!! #i really enjoyed it the first time i read it!! #and i still like the part before they get to troy lol #i just feel like he's basically declawed to make a simpler story which. i dont love. #jo talks #the iliad #please do not start fights about this book about Gay Little Achilles it is not that serious i promise you #like hes so much more than achilles' like. surrogate wife. and i need people to know that.

[carryonlikewedidbefore]

I hate in shows when there’s a big time jump and all of a sudden a couple that we’re happily together for years all of a sudden are broken up or having difficulties

and you know it’s just for drama reasons

#What the hell #somehow between s1 and s3 of Picard riker and troi started having marital problems? #And don’t even talk to me about Scully and mulder breaking up between the movie and s10 #remember when they annouced Kermit and Miss Piggy had broken up? I full on cried

[joshuaalbert]

beverly geordi troi trifecta of getting largely godawful individual episodes

#someone owes me $75 for 4x23 the host and the fact that I have to think about it whenever I think about Beverly Episodes #like don’t get me wrong a lot of hers are bad bc of picard disease or weird ethics or just ehhh writing but that one is like. jesus fuck. #geordi’s I’ve kinda talked about #troi’s are so disproportionately about men that I don’t think she gets An Interest until like #6x8 fistful of datas?? #it takes until like season 6 for her to start having decent episodes. insane. #san rant

[saintdollanganger]

sorry. walking dead 4x14 and hannibal parallels. i forgive you and then one day you change, we all change. sorry. gpd jesus fucking christ sorry

#first episode of the walking dead where ive properly cried #and then beginning of the next episode troy looks at me when eugene starts talking and says 'thats you'