#there's a LOT wrong with fanon

[wiitzend]

this is gonna sound mean but people who make everything about their diagnosis/sexuality/mental illness/race etc., and shoehorn this one fact about themselves into every single conversation no matter how unrelated are insufferable. it's especially annoying when they do this in fandom spaces. they think that 'x character' or 'x show' HAS to be directly related to this one label about themselves despite their never being any actual canon evidence to support this (because they can't just accept the fact that not every character or piece of media has to be a carbon copy of themselves in order to be good or relatable), and then get angry when people don't agree. if you don't agree w/ them suddenly you have random weirdos crawling out of the woodwork calling you a bigot and unfortunately people like this are everywhere. it's so insane to me.

#and all of these people are like. grown adults in their 20's. #idk if this makes sense it just really annoys me that people feel the need to strip a character or a piece of media #of all the things that make it unique or interesting in order to fit into something THEY find comfortable #because they can't envision this Thing they like NOT revolving around themselves #if they're 'x y and z' then surely everything they watch/read must be 'x y and z' too because??? how could it not?? #they'll jump through hoops to justify this instead of just. accepting it as is and leaving it at that #don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with fanon....actually that's not true #there's a LOT wrong with fanon #but the problem is that people don't know how to just be okay with the fact that not everyone shares their personal #fanon interpretations of a thing/character #it's so personal to them because they can't even think about distancing themselves from this one label that they've #made their entire personality/worldview #so even a disagreement to them means an attack on who they are as a person and that's just. not true in reality #fandom

[aalghul]

Thinking about Jason's outward expression of emotions. He tends to only get angry as a response to perceived injustice (the same way Bruce, Dick and most of the others do). But unlike some other characters, Jason rarely every gets wound up in it, nor does he get angry even when he sees injustice if the situation doesn't call for it. Some characters get angry first and then manage their response to whatever's more appropriate, but my interpretation has always been than Jason doesn't need to because he doesn't often begin with the rage. It's not a default, instinctual response for him in most situations. It seems to be that he becomes angry when there is a perpetrator (and specifically, of a crime that hurt people with less power than the perpetrator has, in some way) towards whom he can direct that righteous anger (righteous as in the cause is his drive for justice. I'm not discussing the rightfulness right now). Can he hurt the man who was about to hurt a woman enough that he doesn't dare to try imposing his power over another woman again? Can he do something, anything to stop a serial rapist who has already caused the suicide of at least one woman? But he doesn't possess the sort of blinding anger that could become a driving motivator for his actions outside of someone in front of him to punish. He doesn't need the anger (mostly because he will instead fixate on the crime without rage to fuel him).

The notable exception to this being his behaviour preceding his death (which is explicitly referred to as atypical for Jason by both Bruce and Alfred. The whole reason he's forced to take a break from Robin is because that anger is so unusual for Jason that Bruce and Alfred are worried about Jason's mental wellbeing).

We see in Lost Days that Jason’s default state has become (to the concern of Talia and Ra’s) seemingly unfeeling, and he shows signs of a persistent flat affect throughout Lost Days, with exceptions for when he sees injustice (which is responsive, as compared to the aloofness he uses as a constant state of defence -> see: his and Talia’s conversation after he killed for the first time, Talia being glad that his sense of empathy and justice were able to overcome his general coldness). Jason's aloofness was entirely a conscious defence, but at times he was consciously exercising it (his reaction to Tim in front of Talia vs alone).

We see him cry for himself a few times, which tends to be how Jason first reacts to what hurts him deeply. Then there's his cold hatred for Bruce, which can be taken as anger in the face of heartbreak and perceived betrayal. But that anger never goes very far: Jason couldn't even make himself blow up the batmobile. In the end, it's Jason's belief that he hates Bruce and must make demands of Bruce to force him to redeem himself in Jason's esteem that fuels him. Because Jason wants Bruce to redeem himself, even if it's unlikely that he will.

All throughout Lost Days and UTRH, Jason uses teasing/biting humour in a very Robin manner to direct attention to whatever he pleases, whether that be pulling attention away from vulnerabilities or drawing attention to distortions of the truth. This habit returns to Jason strongly around times when he breaks out of his apathetic state (when he’s killing people who hurt others, pretty much), but the undertones of coldness and derision even with that humour don’t leave. We can see in this habit especially how Jason's become a distortion of who he was as Robin. He's still witty and he still teases people and you can hear the humour in his voice. But now he's using that wit to say cruel things to Batman, deceiving him constantly, and his voice no longer has a youthful kindness to it.

One of the most Helena-esque character traits that Jason’s picked up (in fanon and reboot canon) is anger as an initial defence and reaction, actually. It’s nearly the opposite of Jason’s pre-flashpoint defensive state but is essential to Helena’s. It’s actually not surprising that this happened (even ignoring reboot kicking Jason’s character into a closet and superimposing much of Helena onto him) because of how DC pushed “angry” as Jason’s defining trait, and how fans have believed it for so long. It seems almost natural for a misconception this severe to happen, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because every action of Jason’s is misconstrued as proof for an angry temperament.

#if i'm using a very simplified version of various emotions it's because so does fanon and current canon. i've gotta match that i guess #sometimes i feel like i get too annoying about how different jason's anger is from fanon and newer canon bc there's nothing wrong with that #type of anger in a character but that's irrelevant. because jason's not the firey explosive seething 24/7 sort. he's much colder and far #more pathetic actually because he's lamenting not seething. this is essential. he wouldnt have been able to do any of lost days or utrh if #not for this. literally everything would have gone down a lot differently if jason had that kind of anger in him #jason todd

[n4rval]

a few pointers on how i draw this idiot because i can

Definitely DTed himself (you fool no one dude): come on. if you think he's not crazy enough to experiment on himself, what are you doing. the average creature would likely simply vaporize in a CORE accident, but throw an amalgam(dubious term) in it and watch it haunt your footsteps.

Somewhere around 7' ?: lord have mercy. well, i'm not complaining, i've dealt with 10'.

Old man hunch (ow!): this is what happens when you spend your whole life crouching to look at people. or when you try your best to look smaller and kinder as to not creep anyone out, but you creep them out anyway. loneliness is often the price of brilliance

AUTISM HANDS (RAD) (COOL): or of autism. loneliness is often the price of a neurodivergent understanding of social norms. but sometimes you're just cuckoo bananas as well, and that's okay. tries his best to be a gentleman(fucking old man), comes off a little awkward about it

i've picked purple as his representative color for reasons i'll elaborate once i throw in some pre-DT headcanons in here

#artwork #thank you for liking my old man! #well #toby's old man who i happen to like very much #i try to make him as canon adjacent as possible #dont get me wrong i love fanons but source material gives me an immense comfort and so does content that i feel like i can say #Yep Thats Him Alright #i feel like i miss a lot of his overall weirdness in fan content #ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO HIS SPEECH PATTERN #THE WAY A GUY TALKS IS VERY IMPORTANT OKAY #so here i am doing justice with my own hands #well hand #he's ambidextrous not me #wingdings and me #gaster #wd gaster #undertale #deltarune

[kuzann]

Reasons I have a hard time taking canon Vlad 100% seriously:

His nemesis is a freaking 14 year old this is self-explanatory

Keeps getting beaten/outsmarted by a gaggle of teens

Blew up his own house because he couldn't be bothered to do general maintenance on a piece of very valuable and potentially explosive lab equipment

Got bodied by Jack that one time and decided to never fight him again, Jack is canonically 1-0 in a direct 1v1 fight against Plasmius and that is too funny

Gets bodied by his own idiot schemes

Somehow couldn't figure out how to hire a hitman to take out the guy he's hated for years and sends the one thing Jack is supposed to be good at fighting to do the job instead. Are you trying to fail, Vlad?

Got eaten by a monster that one time. Embarrassing.

Did not do his homework when it came to how strong a ghost was at least twice and endangered the entire world and Ghost Zone because of this

In the bad timeline he caused the apocalypse because he is that bad at parenting and somehow didn't think to just send the kid to therapy and grief counseling instead of jumping straight to the mad scientist shit

There's probably more but these are the ones I can think of at the moment. Like he's absolutely done horrible things, no question about it, but then I remember the above and I'm just. All I can do is laugh.

#Danny Phantom #Vlad Masters #Vlad Plasmius #Character Analysis?? I guess??? idk #Maybe it's more of a shitpost #Do not ever ask me to take canon Vlad seriously #I can't #Just. LOOK AT HIM! #He's an idiot and a disaster and his failure rate is ridiculous #Every time he acts threatening it's just undermined by how much of a moron he is #He just sucks! #Danny and co. are only alive BECAUSE of this #I love him for it #It's hilarious #He's one of my favorite characters in the show #But I ain't gonna take him seriously #Vlad shares the title of “Dumbest Smart Guy You Will Ever Meet” with Jack imo #I say all this with the utmost affection for the character cause again he's one of my favs #I feel like a lot of fanon just flat-out ignores how dumb he is in the show so it can make him more scary #Which there's nothing wrong with that you do you boo it's fandom have fun! #But it's just not Vlad to me without the idiot streak

[angelsdean]

ruthlessly deleting old 2021/2022 posts (not by me) from my dean studies tag like *click* un-incorporating that from my beliefs system! also the way SO many posts have me like ok uh-huh good aaand then say one completely wrong thing that loses me. it's so many posts.

#it's usually when they randomly drop some line of fanon. like saying dean has never admitted to being wrong in his life #or never expressed an emotion or been vulnerable or doesn't Talk About Feelings or is super duper RepressedTM #like i'm sorry. have you watched the show. oh and have you taken off the sammy POV goggles first? #bc this guy is always crying and being vulnerable and talking about his feelings. he is self-aware. #he may not always want to talk to sam abt things! but he sure does talk about things with other people #do i need to reblog the compilation posts AGAIN? #(also re: his sexualiy? AWARE. sorry i saw him flirt and be flustered by so many men. he knows how he feels.) #and then 'first time ever admitting to being wrong' this one came from a post abt dean's prayer in the trap #like i'm sorry but first of all. dean apologizes more than any other character on the show. there are hard numbers on this. #people have tracked this on spreadsheets. i think ilarual is one of them. #and often he is apologizing for things that aren't even his fault! but he still feels responsible for bc he's been made to feel that way #his whole life!! #other characters *cough samandcas *cough* apologizing Less doesn't mean they've Done less things wrong #it just means they're not owning up to it and brushing it under the rug. something both do frequently. #anyways. aside from apologies. dean also has no problem admitting he's wrong y'know when he's actually wrong #which is less often than you'd think bc he has pretty good instincts and intuition and often suspects things which turn out to be Right #but anyways. another thing abt the trap prayer is. i don't think cas Needed to be forgiven #i think dean was justified in feeling angry w cas over the circumstances leading to the Death of His Mother! totally normal grief response! #i think cas also understands dean to be someone who needs time to process and deal with his feelings (he says as much to jack) #however. despite me not think dean Needs to forgive cas. the thing is. with dean when it comes to cas the forgiveness is implicit #when he says /of course i forgive you/ and in the cut like /of course i wanted you to stay/ like. yes he was mad and dealing with grief #but also. yes cas was already forgiven even back then. he just needed Time to work through the feelings #anyways i think dean says he 'forgives' cas bc it's what CAS needed to hear to stop feeling guilty and dean gives him that closure #but i also think cas was already forgiven even in dean's anger. he wants him there always. i'd rather have you. we can fix this. etc etc #a lot of tags for a non-rebloggable post ajksdfs maybe i'll make these into a real post sometime #vic.txt #dean and feelings #so i can find this all again later

[l-just-want-to-see]

1945!Bianca di Angelo I’m so sorry for what I’ve made you go through

I Await the Devil’s Coming, Mary MacLane // weeping angel, dedy d // Claire C. Holland // Theatre / Oedipus the King, TV Tropes // The Cruel Prince, Holly Black // The Myth of Innocence, Louise Glück // Oresteia, Aeschylus (tr. Robert Icke) // Self-fulfilling prophecy, Wikipedia // Der Olymp oder die Mythologie der Griechen und Römer, August Heinrich Petiscus // The Great Prophecy, Rick Riordan // woman with golden eyes // Crush, Richard Siken // The Midnight Star, Marie Lu // A Burning Hill, Mitski // Tumblr, @/tag-devilish

#look ik I said Hazel should be Kronos but I think realistically Bianca would be #after having done some rereading from son I think it’s clear that yeah Hazel is messier and more strong headed than the fanon narrative but #I think though she might be tricked at first she doesn’t have Bianca’s predisposition #against the Olympians since Gaea killed Hazel’s mom - Zeus killed Bianca’s #idk there’s a lot of poetic beauty in Bianca rising to cause Zeus’ doom after he did tried to do to her what his father did to him #and yet. We cannot take the entire world with us no matter how it has wronged us #bianca di angelo #pjo hoo toa #pjo #percy jackon and the olympians #the titan’s curse #1945 au #web weaving

[fromtheseventhhell]

I'm not even surprised because this is the natural progression of claiming that female characters who don't conform to the patriarchy have "masculine privilege". Still, I can't get over the absurdity of claiming that a female character who was usurped on the basis of misogyny somehow benefits from the system responsible. These people really have no critical-thinking skills

#team black #rhaenyra targaryen #anti team green #real quick I need this person to define for me what the patriarchy is I want to see something #reason number 3838383 of why I refuse to be in the hotd fandom...it's everything wrong with the asoiaf fandom x1000 #also hilarious that they have so few valid points against Rhaenrya that they have to rely on fanon talking points #and their supposed evidence was that /well she gets away with a lot so/ as though that's any kind of proof #and literally every other character gets way with shit including Alicent cutting the heir and cole straight up murdering people #anybody who tries to make a point like this just hates women that's literally it

[daybreakrising]

just a teeny update (more of a tweak, actually) after i've Thought about it a little

my portrayal of ratio is aromantic, which could be adjusted to demiromantic through discussion with anyone who wants to develop a ship with him.

and on the subject of ships, please note that i will be very selective about approaching the ratio/ave.ntur.ine ship in general. i do not follow the fanon takes for this ship, i hate that they've been branded the hsr kav.eth.am, and it's a ship that would require a lot of discussion before i'll even consider it.

#;forever yelling into the abyss (ooc) #( my ratio never had romance as a high priority but the more i thought about it. the more him being aro/demi made sense ) #( i avoid a lot of hsr fanon as best i can but i hate how they've taken these two characters and run the wrong way with them ) #( av.enturine is not k.aveh. ratio is not al.haitham ) #( they have similar traits perhaps but they are Not The Same ) #;just as my calculations predicted (about; dr ratio)

[quesadillayuri]

anons crazy 4 this one im not sorry. like truly calling it a ZERO out of TEN arc. u must be crazy im not sorry

#listen im a ctommy swords and shields and i dont Love how he's portrayed in a lot of fanon #but the idea that it made the server WORSE. and that it was a 0/10 arc is act crazy . like truly the exile arc was gen really great like i #gen think it was . so well done #also to say that it wasn't worth the discourse surrounding it. #girl its minecraft roleplay. theres gonna be stupid discourse no matter what. like truly #name one arc or even one singular at least mildly popular server that doesn't have stupid asf discourse #like OBVIOUSLY people were dumb about it. that doesnt mean it shouldnt exist. #like the idea of saying that a huge narrative arc shouldnt exist because some audience members couldnt handle it correctly. #like okay sure lets never talk abt anything even remotely nuanced ever again in media. that will fix it. #like ofc some people handled the exile arc poorly. people can't even handle rose quartz #.hellwurld #dsmp #tommyinnit #exile arc #discourse #maybe #idk #im not saying that anon is stupid btw im just saying that im smarter /JOKE. #whatever its the dsmp its fandom its fine that we have differing opinions just know that im right and youre wrong

[utilitycaster]

Feeling a certain way about how squeamish or angry many people are about genre-typical character death in actual play, vs how comfortable those same people are in openly wishing there were more depictions of violent misogyny and homophobia

#because death means the character is gone and can't be pushed into ships #but fanon violence towards women CAN be used to argue for a ship with few other merits other than a lack of that same imagined violence #anyway the certain way is UGH #queue #bit off topic but man i've been thinking about shipping culture a lot lately and so much of it bums me out #it's so clinical and transactional and competitive instead of being about the STORY (comma) MAN #like I like shipping but the characters exist within a story! it's all first past the post (kissing) and zero chemistry! #i genuinely think if you see two characters from a preview/teaser and immediately ship them there is something wrong with you! #like not medically/psychologically just like. i think fandom can hone your mind OR turn it to mush and that's Real Mush Behavior #i think shipping is genuinely fun and helps you think about the story in new ways but you must be open to it and so many people are not

[pennamepersona]

It's a damn shame that Sholmes and Kazuma don't really interact bc I'm seeing that the fandom dynamic of Kazuma at Baker St appears to be

Kazuma: Iris is wonderful and I would lay down my life for her.

Kazuma: Sholmes on the other hand, I would push in front of a moving omnibus.

#aa #dgs #tgaa #i have no complaints about this fanon #it's sooooooo funny #kazuma out here with all of ryu's annoyance and none of his fondness #ryunosuke like yeah sholmes can be a lot and he's wrong all the time but he's family y'know #kazuma like man this guy is fuckin annoying and a loser thank god his daughter is cool #shame gregson and kazuma never got the chance to be annoyed at sholmes together #bet they would've loved it

[swiftielouie55]

the other day it was the first time i’d read a steddie minific… it’s been two fucking days and i can’t get enough of it. IT’S HAPPENING ALL OVER AGAIN

#steddie #steve harrington #steve the hair harrington #eddie the freak munson #eddie munson #stranger things #steve x eddie #eddie x steve #gay #gay men #gay fanfiction #fanfic #gay fanart #fanon #i know is not real for a lot of people but I WAS WRONG OKAY THIS IS AMAZING

[five-of-cr]

here's the thing about matthias: he isn't the honorable, reformed hero some of the fandom seems to see him as.

yes, he was raised by a tight-knit family of comrade soldiers and decides to betray them in the end. of course that took incredible strength. i don't deny that. but we also need to recognize that the drüskelle are not just some rogue cult. they are a core part of the fjerdan government, who is trying to wipe out the grisha because they are seen as dangerous. that's literally just genocide. however indoctrinated someone is, this is something that is evil from every angle, even if the character can't or won't see it.

and look, i love a good redemption arc, but matthias is such a passive actor in his. he falls in love with nina against his will. she changes his attitudes toward grisha because she's beautiful and kind so all grisha can't be bad, right? this a classic example of the trope of separating the "good ones" from the rest, where you cherry-pick specific individuals to point to as exceptions to a group's nature, which is still implied to be evil. you have to do a lot more than fall in love to truly unearth and address the roots of bigotry.

tbh, this is my biggest critique of the books as a whole. i loathe the "love conquers all" trope that pairs together a character from the oppressed group and one from the oppressors, letting the one show the other through the power of love that being bigoted is not nice. it puts all the responsibility on the former to prove their humanity, and gives all the credit to the latter's ability to be persuaded to recognize it. and then it inevitably leads to forgiveness, because the character has "earned" it by changing their views, once again making the victim seem like the villain if they don't absolve the oppressor of their past "mistakes". also, it's incredibly unrealistic for someone to fall in love with a person who actively hates them and considers them sub-human. in real life, people have to work on their bigotry before that happens, not use the relationship as a plot device for character development.

i think the idea of writing a character like matthias is neat. i think portraying someone's struggle to throw off the suffocating, hateful dogma they've been fed all their life is a story we need more of. i think personal growth of this variety should be celebrated, because otherwise people would never change. but i don't think the people, fictional or real, get to do this without facing profound consequences. it is not enough to feel sorry. it is not enough to apologize. it is definitely not enough to fall in love. and i think writing that lets people off the hook like this grossly oversimplifies power and oppression, and ends up being a feel-good way to romanticize people who cause a lot of harm.

a last note: my opinion is 100% influenced by my being bipoc. matthias is a classic aryan supremacist, even if being aryan isn't the thing he's being supremacist about. my gut reaction to that type of character is always going to be mistrust, both because people in real life have given me reason to be mistrustful and because characters like these are often written in a way that makes you sympathize with oppressors. i don't think matthias earns that trust, and i don't see why i owe him my affection as a reader.

#i know i'm usually a 'haha silly little textpost' blog (and don't get me wrong i still am) but this has been on my mind for a while #to be clear i don't think you have to hate him as a character to be a morally upstanding person #and there's nothing inherently wrong about relating to him either #but i do think we as a fandom (a very white one at that) need to acknowledge this #especially because it carries over beyond fiction #stories are powerful and the messages we take from them stick with us even after we close the book #plus even by the end he still is very bigoted #and i realize that he would have had more time to work on himself if he hadn't... y'know #but that's why i like fanon matthias a lot better #he's usually further along in his unlearning process or he actually has to experience that process in a realistically painful way #in fact i really *like* matthias fanon where he actually grapples with his hatred and comes out a better person for it when it's done well #i.e. when he isn't simply forgiven by everyone (especially nina) because he says sowwy #i am thankful to leigh bardugo for creating this universe AND i think she fumbled the matthias redemption arc #nuance!! it exists!!! #ok rant over #also absolutely NO calahan hate on this post #in this house we do not equate characters with their actors #soc #soc spinoff #matthias helvar #helnik #nina zenik #sab #six of crows #save six of crows #save shadow and bone #shadow and bone #crooked kingdom #grishaverse

[sarioh]

as someone who has been here since last life i think it's awesome how many newer ethubs enjoyers there are these days but ill admit do sometimes wonder whether we watched the same series LOL. 90% of the stuff i see about last life ethubs these days seems to be pure fluff which i understand bc of the whole he loves me scene but like. did we all just forget about the part where they got 6 people killed for each other . about how many lives they took from their friends for each other. about how etho prioritizing his own survival cost him bdubs' life in the end and drove away their closest allies. they were selfish and evil and toxic and traitorous and mutually destructive and PETTY and sucked so unbelievably bad at communicating or being sincere and it's awesome. they literally showed affection by threatening to kill each other constantly. like they were terrible together and genuinely some of the worst guys in that entire series and maybe it's because there's something wrong with me but i think that's what made them so compelling

#i just feel like. a lot of really compelling dynamics get purified and sanitized sometimes n theres nothing wrong with it i just dont Get It #i love evil characters. i love it when love is evil and toxic and horrible and selfish #i love loyalty that leads people do to terrible things and that makes people Bad #just something thats been on my mind recently since the fandom has started growing and fanon has Shifted a lot #its not bad per se its just interesting .

[martyrbat]

when people who have ‘i block liberally’ in their bios learn they actually have to block people & cultivate their own dash:

#‘i hate seeing your posts reced to me’ block me!!! #‘omg how can you say jason is ugly kys’ block me!!!! #‘youre not funny’ block me!!!! #even in other contexts. if you dont like seeing fanon shit block those tags/people that post it and find your own mutual circle #that posts what you enjoy instead of going to other ppls accounts and telling them theyre wrong #if you enjoy fanon and not the more canon shit then block people you dont want to see the posts of/those tags & find the community you seek #like. you GOTTA learn to just block people and stop bitching and whining!!!! youre responsible for your online experience!!!! #you can complain. its your account do whatever idc. but it doesn't fucking matter if someone else is posting in ways you dont like #sorry for being slightly salty but god people on this site need to grow the fuck up and learn they're not the center of universe #and ppl dont have to cater to their judgement of whats the appropriate way to enjoy a character or story #i get annoyed at some fanon shit so what i do is i dont follow people that post a lot of that. easy. #i love bruce so i have bruce neg blocked and if someone is constantly shitting on him?? i just unfollow because it doesn't fuckin matter. #like !!!!!! it doesn't fucking matter !!!!! leave people alone and leave me alone !!!!!!! #anyways. not to be vague but anons are off again 👍 #also if any of you hurt my mutuals feelings i will block without a hesitation lmao 👍👍 #ransom note

[chillykitty]

controversial(?) opinion: Remus isn't intrusive thoughts. Logan gives an extremely specifically worded answer saying:

"The Duke is like Roman's twin, the embodiment of 'bad imagination'. Which is primarily experienced by you via intrusive thoughts."

Not "he is 'bad imagination' and intrusive thoughts." but "he is 'bad imagination' and you experience him as intrusive thoughts" which is very notable when other characters have it explicitly stated that they ARE other things. Roman is creativity, romance, and the ego, he is all of them, he doesn't cause the other things; he IS them.

Thomas is only hurt by intrusive thoughts because he believes the thoughts he has makes him a bad person. Like Remus explicitly stated that the reason Thomas finds him scary is because of Virgil, which yeah, intrusive thoughts in real life are caused by anxiety. Patton and Virgil are said to be the real ones at fault for making Thomas feel guilty and anxious. Perhaps Remus is causing them maliciously in universe, in attempts to get attention or revenge for being suppressed or whatever, but Logan's explanation is written in such a careful way that to me, it makes it clear (to me, at least) that he is not literally intrusive thoughts, he is just any idea Thomas thinks is taboo.

Due to character arcs, he's probably gonna get accepted. And he probably isn't going to just be accepted (which that part would be good, intrusive thoughts have to be accepted as Just Thoughts) but is also probably going to be a good guy like Virgil. Which it would be bad if intrusive thoughts were glorified like that. Good thing he's not intrusive thoughts.

#/lh but also grrr pet peeve: ppl have different opinions than me #sasi #remus sanders #tss #sasha caws #im not interested in arguing at all. maybe im wrong. i dont think i am but idc. i also dont care what yall do with fanon. but #idk man i feel like a lot of people missed this??? #if he was intrusive thoughts dont you think someone would call him that?? #maybe theres some line where thats what hes explicitly referred to but i dont remember it if that is the case #and if that is the case pls correct me especially if you can remember when it was said ill rewatch it