#the knighthood one

[weewoow-20706030]

Gotham knights is a genuinely good game, people are just too quick to compare it to the Arkham series that they completely disregard the effort put into it. Although it may not be as extravagant and fancy as some other games it more than makes up for it with its engaging story, all the side missions and quests and the huge map to explore any time. In this essay I will-

#just thinking #the only bad thing about this game is Robins costumes #other than the Jim lee one #that one is <333 #I think it is the jim lee one anyways #the knighthood one #style 13 #anyways! #feeling like playing the game again #but. alas #I have school :( #gotham knights game #gotham knights #tim drake #batfam #jason todd #dick grayson #red robin #red hood #robin #nightwing #batgirl #barbra gordon #tim drake robin

[ninjigma]

QuinObi Week Part 2/5 - First / Next

Day 2: Knighthood/Raising Padawans Track: 'How Bad We Need Each Other' - Marc Scibilia (Spotify / YouTube)

"I'll grab the bags." "And I will grab the Padawans." "But they're already-" The sound of excited squealing from Aayla and Anakin echoed throughout the halls, Obi-Wan unable to stop his own laughter from joining in and Quinlan smiling broadly at seeing the joy return to his friends face.

Kind of just a fun moment for the group, one of their first missions all together, pretty early on in Anakin's journey to become a Jedi. I have a whole little fic thought up for this that I am so sad I didn't get the chance to write but it is the one I am most tempted to work on and publish later anyhow, because it is just an all around bit of fun for the little family XD

Enjoy!

@quinobiweek

#Knighthood/Raising Padawans #literally eating away at a part of my heart here #don't think I will be able to not write it even if I didn't want to so badly it near hurts #because I love them your honor #apparently this is one of those click for resolution moments too #silly tumblr #QuinObi Week #obi wan kenobi #quinlan vos #aayla secura #anakin skywalker #quinobi #voswan #obi wan x quinlan #star wars #fanart #my art

[romeavethinker]

regarding my last reblog i wanted to make a longer post about how cool shadow knights actually are conceptually (as well as their dichotomy with guards in parallel to shad and irene as institutions).

especially thinking about how shadow knights are essentially a creation of spite on shad's behalf. irene is the one who instated lordship as the main form of government, and as such lords and their guards have a very significant relationship. it's even said early on that a "light" (presumably symbolic of irene's blessing/will) protects the bond between a lord and their guard(s).

that's what makes shadow knights so insidious. while not all shadow knights are deceased guards, many of them are, and in fact many of them died specifically to protect their lord/while enacting their lord's will. shad twists that devotion into bloodlust, ensuring that every shadow knight that died in this way must kill their lord in order to reach their full potential. a guard becoming a shadow knight is a severing of the light that supposedly protects the bond of guard and lord, a taunt by shad that spits on irene's sanctions and seeks to torch everything she built in her lifetime.

even the etymology of the two titles, "guard" and "knight", show these differences. a guard feels personal, somebody who has devoted themselves to protecting something. "guard" is both a noun and a verb, implying willful action on behalf of the one who guards. on the other hand, "knight" is a formal title. a knight, first and foremost, represents the king they serve, and they are loyal to him alone. knights wield swords and wear heavy plated armour and don't ask questions. and while guards in ru'ann do the same, they are rarely so rigidly uniformed and single minded in their service. a guard is a valued pillar of their community, a knight is a disposable piece on a chess board.

#and also the one place we *do* see guards behaving like knights in this example is o'khassian guards #who work under a lord who seeks to reinstate monarchy #and by extension; knighthood #aphverse #shadow knights #shad the destroyer #irene the matron #ru'ann #aphmau #aphblr #minecraft diaries #mcd #shad #irene #the world of mcd

[atopvisenyashill]

connections between naerys and sansa?

There’s plenty! She’s very much in a Naerys/Aegon scenario in ASOS & ACOK, where she has no ability to leave the capital, no one doing anything meaningful to protect her, and a King that is obsessed with sexually humiliating her. There’s a lot of romanticism and chivalry surrounding her character and how other people react to her character, the same as Naerys.

But also, Sansa makes the comparisons to Naerys herself, and she does it before she realizes what kind of person Joffrey is! In fact, it starts with her very first chapter where she compares Joffrey interrupting Ilyn Payne & Sandor Clegane to Aemon demanding a trial by combat against Ser Morgil:

A whole day with her prince! She gazed at Joffrey worshipfully. He was so gallant, she thought. The way he had rescued her from Ser Ilyn and the Hound, why, it was almost like the songs, like the time Serwyn of the Mirror Shield saved the Princess Daeryssa from the giants, or Prince Aemon the Dragonknight championing Queen Naerys's honor against evil Ser Morgil's slanders.

She will compare Joffrey to Aemon and herself to Naerys again later, to Ned:

"Father, I only just now remembered, I can't go away, I'm to marry Prince Joffrey." She tried to smile bravely for him. "I love him, Father, I truly truly do, I love him as much as Queen Naerys loved Prince Aemon the Dragonknight, as much as Jonquil loved Ser Florian. I want to be his queen and have his babies."

(lowkey she’s so fucking funny for that “i only just now remembered” comment, idk how ned kept a straight face for it)

She then uses Aemon (and the Cargyll twins) to make Tommen feel better and dunk on Joffrey:

Prince Tommen sobbed. "You mew like a suckling babe," his brother hissed at him. "Princes aren't supposed to cry." "Prince Aemon the Dragonknight cried the day Princess Naerys wed his brother Aegon," Sansa Stark said, "and the twins Ser Arryk and Ser Erryk died with tears on their cheeks after each had given the other a mortal wound." "Be quiet, or I'll have Ser Meryn give you a mortal wound," Joffrey told his betrothed.

Again, there’s a focus on Aemon’s romantic relationship with Naerys because that's what appeals to Sansa. But when people say "Sansa sees the world through stories" it's not just about how she romanticizes or idolizes knighthood, nobility, and chivalry - she thinks through information by comparing it with similar historical events or stories and analyzing it. She clearly sees the problem with Loras protecting Margaery from Joffrey by comparing him to the Toynes instead of Aemon, and Joffrey (once again) to Aegon the Unworthy:

She is so brave, Sansa thought, galloping after her . . . and yet, her doubts still gnawed at her. Ser Loras was a great knight, all agreed. But Joffrey had other Kingsguard, and gold cloaks and red cloaks besides, and when he was older he would command armies of his own. Aegon the Unworthy had never harmed Queen Naerys, perhaps for fear of their brother the Dragonknight . . . but when another of his Kingsguard fell in love with one of his mistresses, the king had taken both their heads. Ser Loras is a Tyrell, Sansa reminded herself. That other knight was only a Toyne. His brothers had no armies, no way to avenge him but with swords. Yet the more she thought about it all, the more she wondered. Joff might restrain himself for a few turns, perhaps as long as a year, but soon or late he will show his claws, and when he does . . . The realm might have a second Kingslayer, and there would be war inside the city, as the men of the lion and the men of the rose made the gutters run red.

She’s also not wrong in her assessment here because the Tyrells (my guess is Garlan and Olenna) are so worried about this outcome they just murder Joffrey and install Tommen; like Bethany Bracken, Margaery is groomed (with all the implications that are included in such a loaded term) to be sexually available to the King because her father wants power and doesn't care if his daughter is sexually abused to get it. Like Terrance Toyne, Loras is considered attractive, skilled, and has several brothers more than willing to start a war to avenge his death. I think it's incredibly intuitive that Sansa ultimately comes to the same conclusion as two seasoned political players like (presumably) Olenna and Garlan come to, and she makes this judgement call very quickly!

And Sansa also hits on a lot of (correct) similarities when she makes these comparisons between Joffrey's court and Aegon the Unworthy's court; Aegon and Joffrey both have wild, violent temperaments while being notoriously difficult to control. It’s not just Naerys that attempts to get Aegon to stop marital raping her; Aemon’s useless tears aside, Viserys does do the bare minimum here in sending Aegon away so Naerys can heal from her miscarriages, Daeron got shitty with the Brackens about being tacky over Naerys' marital rape and ill health, Baelor fasts himself to death over Naerys’ miscarriages, etc etc. All of the “authority figures” around Aegon think his behavior is wrong but Aegon proves stubbornly difficult to control or kill. Joffrey falls along these same lines - Cersei, Robert, Tyrion, Tywin, and even Varys all struggle to get some control over Joffrey but like Aegon, he knows once he’s of age and has that crown he doesn’t have to answer for SHIT and stubbornly resists every attempt to curb his behavior. Joffrey is a hell scenario waiting to happen because like Aegon, he’s petty and petulant enough to pull the stunts Aegon pulls like pitting his true born kids against his bastard born ones and causing another violent succession crisis. I say this as like, the ultimate Joffrey Apologist here, lmaooo, he has reasons for being a nasty piece of shit but the Tyrells are right to look at him and go “oh that’s trouble” because he is a ticking time bomb. And the crazy thing is, it’s not just Sansa who compares Joffrey to Aegon the Unworthy:

"A king can have other women. Whores. My father did. One of the Aegons did too. The third one, or the fourth. He had lots of whores and lots of bastards." As they whirled to the music, Joff gave her a moist kiss. "My uncle will bring you to my bed whenever I command it." Sansa shook her head. "He won't." "He will, or I'll have his head. That King Aegon, he had any woman he wanted, whether they were married or no."

Joffrey makes the comparison himself. He's a piece of work just like his hero and he is directly threatening to rape Sansa the same way Aegon raped Naerys and poor Bethany Bracken. He is directly admitting he is "unworthy" and practically daring all of KL to overthrow him for it because he thinks they'll blink before he does (and he is unfortunately deadly wrong in this assumption).

And when you extrapolate out from there, you can see other, similar patterns between Naerys' life and Sansa's, beyond the Joffrey-Aegon, Margaery-Bethany, Loras-Terrance, and Sansa-Naerys parallels. Tyrion himself aspires to be a sort of Viserys II type player (see: "It should have been called the Lives of Five Kings" rant he gives to Oberyn); a power behind the throne directing his crazy family to do what's right or smart or proper. There's an interesting echo in Viserys taking direct action in sending Aegon away from Naerys and Tyrion stopping Joffrey in his assault of Sansa - like Viserys, he can see the monster in the king he is raising, makes an attempt to stop it, but fails because he underestimates just how dangerous and erratic his little king has become. Like Viserys, Tyrion is suspected of poisoning his own nephew in an attempt to get closer to power and the throne (and Viserys, like Tyrion, is probably innocent - the sort of fasting that Baelor was doing regularly is hard on the body!).

I don't think any of this is coincidental or accidental either, because of that haunting scene where Joffrey destroys the gift Tyrion got him. Here's the scene, excuse the wall of text, but it's important:

He plays the gracious king today. Joffrey could be gallant when it suited him, Sansa knew, but it seemed to suit him less and less. Indeed, all his courtesy vanished at once when Tyrion presented him with their own gift: a huge old book called Lives of Four Kings, bound in leather and gorgeously illuminated. The king leafed through it with no interest. "And what is this, Uncle?" A book. Sansa wondered if Joffrey moved those fat wormy lips of his when he read. "Grand Maester Kaeth's history of the reigns of Daeron the Young Dragon, Baelor the Blessed, Aegon the Unworthy, and Daeron the Good," her small husband answered. "A book every king should read, Your Grace," said Ser Kevan. “My father had no time for books.” Joffrey shoved the tome across the table. “If you read less, Uncle Imp, perhaps Lady Sansa would have a baby in her belly by now.” He laughed … and when the king laughs, the court laughs with him. “Don’t be sad, Sansa, once I’ve gotten Queen Margaery with child I’ll visit your bedchamber and show my little uncle how it’s done.” Sansa reddened. She glanced nervously at Tyrion, afraid of what he might say. This could turn as nasty as the bedding had at their own feast. But for once the dwarf filled his mouth with wine instead of words... [Joffrey gets a Valyrian sword and figures out a name for it, Widow's Wail, it's a few pages, it's not relevant here] Joffrey brought Widow’s Wail down in a savage two-handed slice, onto the book that Tyrion had given him. The heavy leather cover parted at a stroke. “Sharp! I told you, I am no stranger to Valyrian steel.” It took him half a dozen further cuts to hack the thick tome apart, and the boy was breathless by the time he was done. Sansa could feel her husband struggling with his fury as Ser Osmund Kettleblack shouted, “I pray you never turn that wicked edge on me, sire.” “See that you never give me cause, ser.” Joffrey flicked a chunk of Lives of Four Kings off the table at swordpoint, then slid Widow’s Wail back into its scabbard. “Your Grace,” Ser Garlan Tyrell said. “Perhaps you did not know. In all of Westeros there were but four copies of that book illuminated in Kaeth’s own hand.” “Now there are three.” Joffrey undid his old swordbelt to don his new one. “You and Lady Sansa owe me a better present, Uncle Imp. This one is all chopped to pieces.”

God I love that passage so much. There's a lot there but what's relevant is a) both Oberyn and Garlan are trying to get a measure of who Joffrey is, and have some child murdering plans potentially in the works during this scene. Watching Joffrey destroy a priceless tome of history given as a well thought, well meant, incredibly generous (and pointed) gift from his uncle is more than enough proof for either man to decide Joffrey is not worth the headache, and please note Garlan is the only person to call Joffrey out to his face, and Oberyn is a few pages later the only person to acknowledge this was a fantastic and kind gift from Tyrion that Joffrey reacted absolutely deranged towards for no reason. and b) Tyrion is almost literally saying to Joffrey "I can be your Viserys, I can make it so you're remembered as a great king the way Daeron II or Baelor are, or a great warrior like Daeron I, but you have to understand the reason why I'm worried about your behavior" and Joffrey does the most destructive, unworthy thing he can possibly do - he quite literally destroys priceless, useful historical knowledge and wisdom with his bare hands, in favor of senseless, petulant violence. As Catelyn would say, Joffrey's real bride is not Margaery, but the war he's fighting and the crown on his head.

All of this to say - there's a lot of parallels between Sansa's situation in KL and Naery's life and these parallels are drawn not only by Sansa herself, but also by several people around her. However, I hope for better things for Sansa than what poor Naerys got - I hope for an Aemon the Dragonknight that will do more than just cry while she's raped, but actually step into that room and defend her, or else give her the power to defend herself. Despite the long wait for The Winds of Winter, I also think it's likely we will get some sort of Dragonknight, devoted sworn sword for Sansa and this person will help protect her, and Sansa will have agency that Naerys could only ever dream of.

#valyrianscrolls #sansa stark #naerys targaryen #aemon the dragonknight #aegon the unworthy #joffrey baratheon #tyrion lannister #margaery tyrell #loras tyrell #olenna tyrell #garlan tyrell #terrence toyne #bethany bracken #courtly and chivalric love #i'm not knocking tyrion for not quite seeing how dangerous joffrey is. *no one* sees it bc Systemic Patriarchy and Feudal Violence. #whether its brienne arya jon bronze yohn fucking podrick i do believe we will get a knight for sansa tho!!! #once again sorry this took so long. i had a lot more to say than i expected. #also. thank you so much for this ask this was sooooooooo much fun to write out. we are analyzing themes babeeeeee #getting on my soap box #knighthood and oath keeping #true knights #fuck i think that's all my tags #i had another section about how the show really styles her to look pale and sickly during season 3 and 4 but i had trouble phrasing it #so i just cut it. but that scene where margaery gives her the red and yellow rose and sansa looks like death? naerys vibes fr!!! #naerys and sansa parallels #jon and the aemons

[smilesrobotlover]

Some worldbuilding stuff I enjoy playing with:

The highest honor a man can have in Hyrule besides royalty or the hero is to be knighted. There are soldiers but they are simply soldiers. Knights on the other hand are blessed by the queen herself, and are knighted typically because they match the qualities of a hero: strong spirit, unwavering courage, and so on. The knights of Hyrule are the strongest fighters and defend the castle if it’s attacked.

The highest honor a woman can have in Hyrule is the status of a maiden. Maidens are blessed by the queen as well and typically match the qualities of the princess with the goddess’s bloods in her veins: wise and powerful with divine magic. Though their magic is not as strong as the princess/Queen’s, together, they are significantly powerful and can help in defense of the castle.

#gonna explore this possibly in a certain fic cuz I find the maidens and the knights so interesting #but yeah the knights and maidens are meant to parallel the hero and the princess #and before anyone says #yeah this is messed up and slightly misogynistic #that’s what makes it fun to explore :) #smiles rambles #idk I love world building #only the strongest fighters and strongest magical users can be a knight or maiden #the honor does not go to anyone #and also you need a good personality too lol #I mean there was that one rant Raven had in the manga #knighthood is a big deal #the four swords manga might be the only one with both the maidens and the knights #the oracle of ages and seasons had only knights #and alttp had maidens #but with both knights and maidens?? it goes crazy #so shadow and Vaati went for the knights and the maidens cuz they knew they would be too powerful together

[ilynpilled]

very passionately dislike this permeating opinion on other platforms that Brienne is flawless and therefore uninteresting. sure, she can be not your type of character, but reducing moral characters to “flawless” is so stupid. obvious grey morality is not the only way a character can be complex, and i feel like this fact often gets lost in discussions about a series like this one where so many of the characters are written to be very morally muddy. but brienne in no way falls into what is expected of a “perfect heroine”. she certainly doesn’t look like it physically. she is filled to the brim with insecurities. she can have a very absolutist view on morality at times. she can be naive, close minded, and judgmental. the romantic she is, she can fall for false appearances that cover up a complicated and harsh reality. even she buys into the ableist “imp” narrative. just because, at the end of the day, her heart is indisputably in the right place, and she is one of the truest heroes in the series, does not mean there are no layers to her. she is plenty flawed, bc she is plenty human. she also goes through development during the ASoS road trip. she is not just jaime’s catalyst for change. she grows because of him, and the perspective he provides, too. because there was room for her to grow. and there still is.

#wonderful character #just bc she doesnt push children out of windows does not mean she is mediocre #george is insistent that he doesnt like the sir galahads of stories #so why would he write one #and why would said character be essentially the core thesis to the knighthood question #brienne of tarth #asoiaf #valyrianscrolls #half of my posts at this point are just complaining about bad takes i see on tiktok i need to go outside 😭

[15step]

archetypes of a knight as seen commonly in fantasy, and their representations in a song of ice and fire by george r.r. martin.

#tumblr killed the quality begging you to click #grrm's explorations of knighthood are one of the most interesting parts of asoiaf to me #these were the common archetypes i found represented in the series #summerhallsolstice #asoiaf #valyrianscrolls #a song of ice and fire

[avelera]

IMO most of the Dream/Hob story is told from Dream's POV so it can be easy to miss that Hob is actually the cool one in the relationship

#dreamling #hob gadling #he was a MERCENARY and a BANDIT #he had FRIENDS who LIKED HIM at the table #he went from NOTHING to wealth and a KNIGHTHOOD #he was DROWNED as a WITCH and BOUNCED BACK from losing EVERYTHING #he fought off TWO THUGS before they could lay a FINGER on Dream #he did it without BREAKING a SWEAT #he confronted an ENDLESS about being LONELY and didn't even FLINCH from Dream's wrath #he showed up in the 1980s LOOKING like THAT he had a MOBILE PHONE in the 80S #he becomes the COOLEST history teacher ANYONE has EVER met #And then there's Dream being skrunkly and depressed and pissy about everything #Death set up Dream with a cool boyfriend #and Dream has the AUDACITY to think HE'S the cool one in the relationship

[chimchiri]

Build A Lesbian (poll 12)

To every butch a femme - at least according to last poll's results! An overwhelming majority decided our new lady is a femme!

A tragedy for all Butch4Butch enjoyers! But for now, let's not dwell on it and let's tackle another big question!

#I did not realize how much I wanted butch4butch #that desire and ideas formed roughly 1-2 polls before the general dynamic poll #At this point I do have another big want for th setting which is.. knighthood tbh... #I may not put up a poll on this one if I'm honest... #I keep thinking of our butch as a knight #polls #my art #build a lesbian #The Tenderness She Gives

[confronting-reflections]

ill throw a bit of a softball one 🐝 'night of knights'

In the dead of night Flametail finds Ashlock on the deck of the landship and the two have a long talk about what it means to be a knight, their past, and their future

#*points* I see that touhou reference! #arknights #ask game #my first thought was going to be a Blemishine x Platinum one before swaping to Blem and Nearl family knighthood #and then I finally remembered the Pinus gang exist lol! #I do think this has potential to be a great fic

[madmanwonder]

Crossover Crack Ship: Arabasta Knighthood

Jaune Arc:

Nefertari Vivi:

#my post #rwby #rwby shitpost #one piece #one piece shitpost #jaune arc #nefertari vivi #shipping post #meme post #crossover au #crossover crack ship meme #crossover crack ship #crossover ship #arabasta knighthood

[soldier-poet-king]

Also 2021 the green knight 'is there really all there is?' 'What else ought there to be?' 🤝 the raven cycle 'is that all?' 'just gansey... that's all there is'

#smthn smthn smthn i am so unwell abt everything lately and tbh it is one of the great joys of my life #i will suffer if it means i experience the extremes of passion and caring #trc #the green knight #also the like. knighthood devotion chivalric code of it all #trc is obvs not arthurian but glendower #but ykwim #yeah i STILL havent finished trk bc thinking abt noah #thinking abt and gansey wanted to live. #i am going to throw myself into the sun. on purpose oh purpose i am feeling things on puroode

[fragmentedblade]

Goodness, apparently Argenti's One and Only is named in Chinese after Rocinante, which is so fitting for him, especially with Himeko's words about him in mind

#How she says maybe the beauty he seeks may disappoint him if he hound it #How he may not recognise it for what it is blinded by what he seeks #But overall his every act and his words fit so much #How his approach to knighthood is more a portrayal of a knight than a knight and so how is a little chimerical #And yet how precisely for that in the end after knowing him he feels more sincere‚ movingly sincere #And makes one regain hope and illusion in the world and everything seems more worth it‚ brighter and beautiful #Because yes he may be weird and deranged and risible but after spending some time with him one can't help but think he makes sense #Yes people can be and should be and even are kinder. Yes every little battle can be a joust that feels larger than life #because this is our life. His grandiose acts are silly but he is honestly trying to be helpful and fair and kind and he feels so sincere #that the silly acts end up being endearing first and admirable at last #And after everything‚ after meeting him‚ one can't help but regard the world with wonderstruck eyes again #Because everything is as beautiful as he said it was. How could I forget? #I talk too much #I should probably delete this later #Argenti #Traces #I'm sorry if this appears in the tag but I wanted to save the Rocinante reference #Edit: doesn't entirely fit but Velite has a bit of Sancho Panza in this context

[afieldinengland]

going into the lab they make pointless male actors in nowadays and putting up a sign that says YOU WILL NEVER BE PETER CUSHING

#egot another emmy another tony cbe obe #wbe (they invented this one specially it stands for woman) nobel pulitzer three knighthoods and all the prizes from bullseye

[atopvisenyashill]

Since I can't seem to figure out how to repost your tags- I am going to say that Arthur Dayne didn't think Ned Stark would hurt baby Jon simply for the reason he was at the Tower of Joy instead of hightailing it to Starfall with baby and the wetnurse Wylla in tow. Once Jon was born, the need to stay at the tower was defunct. Lyanna dying or not, had bluntly served her purpose. The fate of Rhaenys and Aegon made it crystal clear that any one with dragon blood was in danger from the new regime. Doubly so for a child of Rhaegar and Lyanna. If Arthur was really concern about the baby rather than his own personal honor, his purpose would be to get on a fast ship to reunite with the exiled Targaryens or pulling a Jon Con and raising the baby himself in secret. But that isn't as neat a ending as dying in battle serving an oath to a dead man.

Oh yeah, I was kinda writing off the cuff there bc i’m very tired today lmao BUT

I have seen the main argument for a more sympathetic look at Arthur, Oswell, and Gerold is that they feared for Jon’s life, and likely had some sort of affection for Jon and Lyanna. That is something I can absolutely believe - like you said, the brutal murder of Rhaenys and Aegon is more than enough evidence that Jon is not safe in Westeros. I can certainly understand why, even with the best of intentions, the Kingsguard would be wary of Ned. Even if Ned holds no anger at Lyanna, he could hold plenty towards baby Jon or transfer his anger at Rhaegar to baby Jon. It’s a real risk in attempting to confront the man seen as the number two face of this rebellion with the son of his number one enemy.

But I think from the surrounding events, what most likely was happening was that Rhaegar did not take the rebllion nor his father’s madness as seriously as he should have until after the Sack (I know Jaime and Barristan mention Rhaegar planning beforehand to get rid of his father, but like, clearly it wasn’t that much of a priority considering he abandons whatever plans he made at Harrenhal to chase after, kidnap, and impregnate Lyanna while the realm burned around him SO!). IF he married Lyanna, it was likely after he found out Elia and their children had been murdered, and he was probably panicked over the situation in KL, his alliance with Dorne, and what this means for his prophecy (a far cry from the happy little scene we get in the show), and did it to legitimize what he thinks is baby Visenya as a sort of last resort, but did not ever believe he was going to lose the Battle of the Trident. We have no idea what information was getting to Rhaegar prior to Oswell coming to fetch him, and no idea what Oswell told Rhaegar, or if Rhaegar was even in a proper state of mind to comprehend it. When Rhaegar goes to fight Robert, for all we know, he has no earthly idea that he and his father have lost basically all of Westeros except Dorne and ONLY because of Elia. Personally, I think it’s likely that it’s not until he shows up to command the Dornish forces that he realizes just how fucked he is. The Kingsguard probably felt the same, and when they got word Rhaegar died, just fully gave up, condemning themselves, Lyanna, and maybe even the baby to death alongside their fallen Great King Who Should Have Been, Rhaegar.

Because otherwise, like, what are they even still doing at the tower. They wave off Rhaella and Viserys but if what they wanted was to actually protect the last of Rhaegar’s blood, they should have been trying to link up with Rhaella!! Feels pretty relevant that Rhaella know Rhaegar has another potential heir but they just sit around at the Tower instead for WEEKS after the Trident. It only seems nonsensical on the surface; Willem Darry had not yet given up, had two terrified, very small children suddenly in his care, and did his absolute best to try to take care of them. He has more honor in his pinky toe than either of the those three who saw a 16 year old and a newborn in dire need of help and went “rhaegar was wrong and there’s no use in trying anymore” and rolled over and died. Same for JonCon raising a child that is not his; what those two do is put the life of a child before any other intangible oaths or ideals, acting quickly and decisively under really stressful circumstances. Contrast to the Tower of Joy, where Lyanna doesn’t even have a Maester present to help deliver the baby.

So yeah, I do think it’s likely they worried Ned was a danger, and had some sort of fondness for Lyanna and baby Jon. Doesn’t mean they made the right decisions, or that their affection and fear ultimately mattered in the grand scheme of things. It’s tragic sure, but far more tragic is that they never turned to the dying teenager in their care and ask what her opinion was on how her final days should go.

#asks #riana one #true knights #robert's rebellion #courtly and chivalric love #knighthood and oath keeping

[spiribia]

me and my page seraph (i love this kid) (im going to die in a bandit ambush later on in my life)

#talks #1 of seraphs biggest advocates when she was entering knighthood despite her being a girl but its complicated. while his demeanor toward her #was majority pretty gentle he did have high standards for her. 'you can be better than this'. he was one of the people involved in the #situation when she was caught with rosalinde years later. he pushed to have the situation swept under the rug and to give her another #chance but also agreed there should be strict discipline for it. hence her scars #seraph never actively begrudged him but it existed as a subconscious stressor. she felt a kind of gratitude toward him for being 1 of #the kindest and most supportive people in her life to her but when he died she felt nothing. #she was like to herself i must be some kind of monster that i feel nothing #knight oc