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vaguely-concerned · 5 months

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I’m on a Star Wars books roll so here we go with my — unhinged thanks for asking! — thoughts on Dooku: Jedi Lost, specifically the audio play. Short version: I fucking loved this one! For maximum emotional devastation, pair with Master and Apprentice and Padawan the way my stupid ass did and then be sad about it forever I guess that's what I’m going to have to do.

Long (LONG oopsie) version:

- So. First of all, let’s get the most important thing out of the way on this here old man yaoi website. We all agree dooku and sifo dyas explored each other’s bodies right. Or at least definitely would have if not for the laws of this order etc., potentially. That’s not just me. Good. Thank you. We can now move on

- Secondly. Well. Guess I’m just going to be inconsolable about Sifo-Dyas forever now. I miss the days in which he was just a throwaway line in AotC spawned by a random misspelling to me, rather than an eternal raw aching wound in my heart

- poor poor ventress just reading through all the proof that dooku absolutely does have it in him to be a good dad I mean master and just — idk got tired of that and went the force lightning route with her. I love the move of having her dead master hang out with her all that time as well (having her slip up and refer to ‘us’ did something to me, god this is so sad. Is he actually there in spirit or is it just her grief dreaming him up because dooku is awful and cold as a cliff wall and she needs some kind of attachment figure even if she’ll have to reinvent him herself, rebuild him word for word, gesture by gesture. Pain. sorry about your terrible track record with father figures asajj)

- Lene: (About Averross): He hasn’t changed.

Dooku: (In the warmest fondest voice you ever heard) And I hope he never does

WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH MYSELF? MUST I SET MYSELF ON FIRE TO ESCAPE THE PAIN???

Another strong showing for Rael in general, btw. He’s so warm and charming as a presence even though he’s also a little chaos gremlin. (He’s quite similar to how Sifo-Dyas was when he was young in some ways, I can definitely start to see what Dooku responds warmly to in terms of character traits.)

- the fact that good ol’ sheev showed an interest in rael, dooku and anakin… interesting huh! He’s just got a soft spot for the disaster lineage I suppose, maybe there’s an element there of luring yoda’s most direct lineage into the dirt with him without yoda even noticing for the longest time. Also cackling at the idea that he looked at qui-gon ‘too fucking stubborn and insufferable to fall to the dark side out of sheer spite’ jinn and went ‘...not that one tho’ fhdskjfa. And obi-wan is more like ‘that one blorbo all my little guys seem wild about but I just don’t get it guys’

IF rael’s refusal to join dooku at the end of ‘master and apprentice’ is the last word (which I am not convinced of ;___; be safe cowboy jedi we never see in mainline canon so far), then he’s the only one who has dodged palpatine’s attentions. Wonderful if true love that for him

ALSO rael is one of the few people we know to be on (or at least to consider himself on despite what palps might think lol) first name basis with palpatine. Hilarious. I concur with dooku never change rael

- Sifo-Dyas: That’s insane.

Dooku, deadpan: Yes.

Sifo-Dyas: The worst plan I’ve ever heard.

Dooku, somehow even more deadpan: Most probably.

Sifo-Dyas: I’m in.

Crying… weeping and dying………… what if someone could have helped sifo with his unfortunate prophecy propensity and they hadn’t drifted apart. Clone Wars averted methinks if dooku still ended up leaving the order he would have been too busy having tender gay sex with the love of his life (and only person who can call him out on his shit and have him actually listen) to be a war criminal (I am being extremely facetious of course this is very much a ‘time traveler killing baby hitler’ situation where the underlying forces causing this point in history are way too powerful to avert the catastrophe in one move. but at least palps would probably have had to pick someone else to wreck the galaxy through and sifo-dyas would be kissed & held instead of going slowly mad. A net plus some (I, me) would say)

- I just wanted to applaud both the writing and the voice acting for the characterization of Dooku in this, from his young self trying so hard to be haughty and self-possessed but also being like, y’know, twelve and a dweeb and easy for Sifo-Dyas to pull into trouble, to the dry wit and warmth he shows with Rael and Qui-Gon or his sister later. It took me a little while to get into the voice acting specifically (the actor makes no attempt at going the full Christopher Lee, which in hindsight was probably wise), but now I love it. It gets a bit goofy in places but you know what, I am a long time lover of audio plays, that’s part of the charm

- “Master, have I done something wrong?”

My heart is clenching… do you think… that master yoda’s deal with leaving his student to try fucking everything to have some kind of relationship with him until he just breaks down in tears of despair… is the kind of thing that maybe started a little bit of a generational trauma cartwheel through the ages. The point that bb!dooku is arrogant isn’t without merit and he strikes out incredibly ungracefully about it (in fact I would be a lot more worried than yoda seems to be that he decides to try to kill a tree about it, ‘I felt like destroying something beautiful’-style) but I just don’t think a… fourteen year old? A teen anyway, Is going to learn what you think he learns from this. I simply don’t believe that silent treatmenting kids will teach them emotional intelligence I guess especially if they already struggle with that naturally lol

(It is exactly the same mistake (in my opinion) that Qui-Gon makes with Obi-Wan, too, just leaving the kid completely alone and forcing them to come to you every which way for comfort or guidance instead of meeting them or reaching out to them. Especially once you see that really Dooku’s prime emotion/big core wound right from the beginning is loneliness. And that doesn’t only come from a feeling of superiority (which to be sure is also a big factor), because he has no idea where he comes from until he meets his sister. I don’t think the jedi as a whole were unsalvageable by any stretch of the imagination, but Yoda specifically… you are on such very thin ice with me at this point you little green fuck. You’re very funny and moving in yoda dark rendezvous and that’s all that’s keeping you in my somewhat good graces.)

- Okay, coming back a bit later I think I’ve found the right words to say this. more precisely dooku has two big issues which you can later see haunting all the way down his lineage — loneliness and control. (and not incidentally the intersecting elements of the two haha.) We see from his relationship to sifo-dyas that he’s not incapable of having close mutual relationships with an equal, but that kind of crashed and burned for reasons neither of them could really help and after that it seems quite telling that he has the easiest time with deeper connection in a teacher-student sort of form. I think his affection is unconditional and real, but you can’t get away from the fact that he also has the most control in that relationship structure by default, he gets to dictate what form it takes to a big extent. He doesn’t trust other people — the underlying idea ‘Only I can do this’ that eventually leads him down the Separatist path is there the whole way. It speaks both to a sense of superiority and an utter lack of faith that other people can or will help him. And then that echoes down through the master-padawan line:

Qui-Gon with his self-righteousness and utter refusal to compromise leaving him isolated among the jedi (only he is right. Yeah the Force told him so. Don’t worry I’ve got a permit *insert parks and rec I can do whatever I want meme here*), Obi-Wan with his anxiety and perfectionism and incredible sense of shame and responsibility that he should be able to carry the whole world on his shoulders alone and beating himself up for failing, all feeding into not knowing what to do with Anakin and his complete lack of control of himself and his desperation to gain and maintain connection and love (which earns him the title of ‘Dooku’s least favorite family member’ fhdsa his immediate disdain for him is so funny and so in character. Repress and go slowly mad like a normal person anakin the way you’re carrying on is just undignified and that is much worse than being evil)…

- Rael gently telling Dooku to take on another padawan soon… so sweet, so sad, local cowboy jedi looking out for his dad. Also highlights something about Dooku I think is true: that he does much better and seems to have an easier time holding to the light when he’s responsible for someone else. Again, I do feel like Dooku’s core problem is loneliness, but it seems like raising kids is the one point where that relaxes somewhat. Maybe if Sifo-Dyas had stayed in a better mental place and they kept in touch it could have been different.

- Lene Kostana is SUCH a character! Charismatic and deeply fucked up, when it’s revealed how her and Sifo-Dyas’ relationship remains long after his padawan stage is done I felt a little bit sick, to my surprise. Because that could just be kindness on her part, of course, it’s good that he has someone he trusts to look after him when he can’t himself, but also there’s something… queasy about the way it keeps him continually young, in a way. (Notably he still calls her ‘master’ even as an adult, when they’re working together. Not uncommon in Star Wars, of course, but together with everything else going on vibes-wise… hm.) The inherent unreliable narration of this story really worked for me in this regard especially — do we know that young Dooku was entirely wrong when he sensed the dark side in her? She certainly is willing to go to lengths that are… worrying! in her fascination with sith shit, she tempted children into a dangerous place they didn’t understand and couldn’t know the consequences of and she continually puts sifo-dyas in situations that are implied to be a risk to worsening his condition. Run of the mill incredibly irresponsible at best, sincerely sinister at worst. Did she choose Sifo over Dooku because he’s more vulnerable and shapeable? There is an undercurrent of something icky and emotionally incest-y going on with how she relates to Dooku and Sifo-Dyas in general (right down to the ‘NO, no one can know about this’ intensity after the… evil moss cave. I can’t believe I’m this emotional about a book with an evil moss cave). I don’t think she’s a proper sith in any way and I also believe there is real affection there on all sides, but idk something about the whole thing makes me deeply uneasy. Yoda where the fuck are you your son is out there with his irresponsible mom again they’re looking for dirty needles in haystacks and they’re not even wearing any gloves

- dooku telling sifo-dyas he can come back to haunt him if he likes as a joke… well well well I’m sure that doesn’t ring with some dramatic irony at some point down the line lmao

- honestly looking back at master and apprentice after reading jedi lost makes qui-gon's apparent lack of reaction to dooku leaving seem — let's call it highly suspect haha. rael asks him if he's spoken to dooku after and qui-gon is like 'no. why would I. it's literally fine. anyway this topic is done now'. (and rael seems to just go ‘*older brotherly knowing* uh-huh’) meanwhile he's thinking about dooku *all the time* trying to figure out his role as master to obi-wan, thinking about being a padawan himself, the parts of his life he shared with both dooku and rael. The jedi doth protest too much methinks

ALSO how much of qui-gon thinking the council was too lenient with rael after he had to kill his padawan is about that actual situation, and how much is a ‘our family still likes my older brother more than me even though he Fucked Up so bad and breaks just as many rules as I do’ sort of deal mixed with his own neuroses about how he’s failing obi-wan (to which rael’s situation symbolizes the worst possible outcome, i.e. the kid dies and it’s basically your fault). Many thoughts.

- moment of silence for jenza of house serenno. Girl your only sin was being surrounded by asshole male family members and I’m so sorry I think you did all you could with what you had to work with here.

Not… entirely sure how dooku’s claim to the title supersedes hers — is he a year older than her? (she’s eleven when they first meet, he might be twelve or older at that point I don’t remember haha) Does she just give up her place in the inheritance order? Are primogeniture and male heir preference factors in Serenno inheritance law? Not the most important thing honestly it works anyway thematically but could have been clarified quickly!

- interesting to see that the council’s restrictive policy against engaging with prophecies had a surprisingly big impact on how things went down. Kostana has a lot of responsibility in Sifo’s fate for insisting he keep it secret, but there is genuine fear for what might become of him if the rest of the order finds out he’s got 24/7 futurevision hovering over him threateningly… listen it’s not like the poor guy can help getting the future constantly pumped into his brain at nightmare resolutions, I think maybe if there had been more willingness to at least engage curiously with the concept of prophecy and how it works, even if you don’t put your faith in the particulars of what the prophecies say, this wouldn’t have had to be such a shitty isolated secretive life for him. hearing him slowly fall apart over the years considering how bright and lovely he started out... oof is all I can say

- when dooku was a good jedi he was such a good jedi!!! The scene where they’re saving the kids from the collapsing hospital, every time he teaches his students anything…the impulse of someone has to do something about this! that made him so good at saving lives turning dark with the tarnish of frustration and rage over the years… nooooooooo problematic grandpa why did it have to be like this :(

- …do you think infant jedi can sense what’s going on around them in the Force. Because it makes a very sad kind of sense if dooku on some level remembers bodily or in the Force that he was not only abandoned but rejected in disgust as one of the first things he discovered in the world. Oh boy. With all the ways attachment relationships can go wonky in the first few years in real life I don’t even want to consider how much more wrong it can go when the baby is fucking psychic lol

- vaguely related: the way dooku seems to find the very idea of being truly reliant on anyone, emotionally or otherwise, personally offensive, terrifying and humiliating lol. Yoda saves him from being crushed by rubble and he is outraged because that means he can’t save himself (and his newfound sister) without anyone’s help like he thought for one glorious moment he could. The fantasy of perfect emotional self-sufficiency, doing away with all the messiness and risk of interpersonal relationships and cutting off the possibility of really being abandoned again. It’ll get ya every time. This is also a thing you see reflected in his lineage — they’re all quite inward-turning that way until you get to anakin, to different extents and with varying presentations but it is there I think. Qui-Gon turns to the Force, Obi-Wan to perfectionism and shame and rumination, Rael to the bottle and depression and hedonistic apathy, but they all struggle hugely with letting anyone in to help them. Dooku’s line are all much more comfortable being the helpers rather than the helpees, as it were.

- “Thank you for everything, Lene. Tell Rael and Qui-Gon — tell them… tell them the Force will be with them, always”

Emotional terrorism against me specifically and personally. You asshole you just excused yourself from the non-attachment rules there’s literally nothing in the world except you to stop you from reaching out and telling your children you love them yOURSELF why are you like this

- the recurring theme of dooku seeing something beautiful (the tree in the temple, the tirra’taka as a child and an adult) and ending up lashing out to destroy it… but the tree was old and mighty and he was young and new and couldn’t truly harm it, so he was saved from his own impulsivity. And then when he sees the tirra’taka as an adult he loves it immediately. And in the end he still mangles and destroys it. He didn’t mean to, but he did. He woke it up and hurt it just by existing as a child and then he had to kill it as a mercy because he was too powerful at that point for anything to buffer his mistakes. The parallel with the bird he loved that he also couldn’t protect. He starts out with an aching loneliness somewhere at the core of him through no real fault of his own but by the end it is entirely his own fault that it’s worse, because he starts wrecking everything he loves in an almost absent-minded but definitely intentional way, like it’s a nightmare he’s listening to through the door as it happens in the next room over. He really IS the ‘I just felt like destroying something beautiful’ central of the jedi.

at the end qui-gon is dead and through dooku’s own influence, however indirectly. Rael has had to turn away from him. Sifo-Dyas is dead on Dooku’s own orders and so is his sister, he might as well have done it with his own hands. (though I think it’s very interesting that in each case he didn’t do it with his own hands, he consistently uses a middleman.) He lives within the coldness of his sterile empty castle and horrifically mistreats the one person he might have found something like connection with the way he did with his students before (Ventress), deliberately trapping her in a similar state of utter desolate isolation and telling her, essentially, ‘We’re like this as people and nothing can be done to change it. We can’t escape, we’re already doomed, stop trying, it’s too late. You are just like me (and if you aren't already I'll make you like me)’. And that’s the closest thing he gets to love anymore. When he accused Ky of using her ‘as a salve for his own loneliness’ and you’re like well well well mr projection man how’s that working out for you. He is completely, shatteringly alone and he is so entirely as a consequence of his own actions and he's too far gone to understand or care. I’m howling you useless fucking FOOL dooku

- dooku 🤝 john gaius

“Hm. I have observed that there are in fact many flaws in our society and the government is deeply corrupt. So if I kill a few billion people here and there in order to fix it, is that not basically okay when you really think about it”

Dooku making salient points about the political and ethical failures of the Republic and then, just when you think he’s onto something, he goes and makes The wildest fucking decisions about what to do about it. Sure. dark magic and genocide are probably the only ways out of this you’re so right bro. If we make enough minuses to add together surely we’ll end up in plus sooner or later

- *head in my hands once more* I can’t believe I am genuinely emotionally invested in someone called Count Dooku with the looks of a knockoff dracula and ultimate moral character to match right now this is terrible. hey. hey dooks. what you have to go and fuck everything up so bad for huh I’m so incredibly sad now

there is something to be said about how getting to see glimpses of what dooku looked like in the light makes it so much more heartwrenching that he never came back. he could have, a thousand times. and every time he chose not to.

#star wars #dooku jedi lost #count dooku #sifo dyas #dooku x sifo dyas #disaster lineage #lene kostana #star wars meta #rael averross #qui gon jinn #I'm being peak on my bullshit in this one. you're welcome and/or I'm sorry as appropriate

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sithfamily · 1 year

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Dooku never was a "real" jedi

POV: When your padawans, daughter and grandson are the same...

Semage: Why...

Dooku: I don't know!

Semage: How you don't know?! They are your children!

Dooku: It just happened!

#au #star wars memes #star wars family #oc #count dooku #obi wan kenobi #rael #qui gon jinn #parenting #dooku x semage #semage tales of the jedi

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modernepimetheus · 2 years

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Disaster Lineage Smells.

This is super weird but I associate smells with people a lot and thought it would be cool to assign the disaster lineage smells. I’ve tried to explain as best I can but some things only exist in my head and I can’t make them words.

Yoda: Swamp.

Dooku: Very subtle yet expensive cologne, ozone

Rael: He uses the soap that Nim made for him as a lifeday gift. He doesn’t want to run out so he usually smells like dirt.

Qui-gon: Also smells like dirt, but ✨classy dirt✨ (soil). Also tea.

Nim: Cinnamon and something a little sharper.

Feemor: The air just before it rains.

Xanatos: Expensive cologne, caf. I headcanon him as a space-starbucks bitch.

Obi-wan: Tea. Even when he smells like shit, he still has the faint scent of tea. (Anakin swears he soaks his robes in it.) ((Cody knows he accidently leaves his tea in his pockets))

Anakin: The cologne Padme buys for him.

Ahsoka: Chamomile and a sweet sweat.

thank you for coming to my ted talk.

#disaster lineage #yoda aka swamp thing #count dooku #rael averross #qui gon jinn #nim pianna #feemor #xanatos du crion #obi-wan kenobi #codywan #obi-wan x cody #anakin skywalker #ahsoka tano #anidala #listen #it's a big deal to me #smells are colorful and different shaped #i did my best

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absolxguardian · 5 years

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Rael: All these missions are just keeping you and Sifo-Dyas apart. You two just need to bone.

Qui-Gon: *fear*

Dooku: What did you say?

Qui-Gon: ...don't say it again.

Rael: I said you two need to bone.

Dooku: How dare you Jedi Aveross, I am your master!

-21 minutes later-

Dooku: BONE!!!!!!

#sw spoilers #dooku jedi lost #i've entered rarepair hell and i got some memes #dooku x sifo-dyas #count dooku #sifo-dyas #rael aveross #qui-gon jinn

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gffa · 3 years

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Anyway, @captainsway and I were gently ribbing Qui-Gon about being a self-proclaimed volcel and being scandalized by Rael Averross having S - E - X versus Obi-Wan “Hello There 😏“ Kenobi and now I want that to be a thing. Qui-Gon had to deal with years of Dooku and Jocasta Nu fucking and being scandalized by it, MASTER, WHY, HOW COULD YOU. Qui-Gon had to deal with years of Rael Averross dropping in every so often and giving hints about the latest fling he had, and MASTER WHY AREN’T YOU DOING SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR FORMER PADAWAN? Then FINALLY he is OUT ON HIS OWN and he’s going to establish a PROPER lineage now, no more of this FLIRTING and no more of this casual S - E - X, wait-- shit-- OBI-WAN NO--! His attempts to curtail Obi-Wan fucking his way across the galaxy like the rest of his lineage are The Padawan Haircut Qui-Gon Made Sure He Got Even As An Adult, but that didn’t stop Obi-Wan and I want an entire novel of Qui-Gon being an old Regency Era Auntie Gasping And Clutching His Pearls any time Obi-Wan and Satine are left alone without a chaperone because they might have S - E - X. And entire novel of Qui-Gon being a prude about Obi-Wan’s sex life during that year on the run from Mandalore, HAVE IT ON MY DESK BY NEXT MONDAY MORNING.

#obi wan kenobi #count dooku #rael averross #qui gon jinn #i make myself laugh and that's all that's important

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willowcrowned · 2 years

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One-Off Star Wars AUs Masterpost

What it says on the tin.

Tano-Jinn Bodyswap Time-Travel AU x

TCW Ahsoka and pre-TPM Qui-Gon get swapped into each other’s bodies. A nonsense fix-it happens. Original idea by @waukrife

‘Love Across the Stars’ TV Show AU x

During the Clone Wars, someone makes a teledrama about Anakin and Padmé’s “secret romance.” (Implied obianidala at the end)

Kit Fisto: Carpet Maker and Inadvertent Galaxy Saver Extraordinaire AU x

Kit Fisto, for reasons unknown to the Order, leaves the Jedi and starts an artisan carpet-making business. In the typical fashion of crack fix-its, this saves the galaxy.

Assassin Cody AU x

Instead of hiring Zam Wessel to kill Padmé during AotC, Jango Fett makes Cody do it. It does not go to plan.

Obi-Wan Has Two Hands AU - A Codyobitine Saga x

Obi-Wan is in love with Cody and Satine. Cody and Satine are both in love with Obi-Wan. Ventress isn’t in love with anyone, but she is more murder-y than in canon. This somehow saves the galaxy.

Anakin the Conspiracy Theorist AU x

Anakin is really into conspiracies and happens across one that says Palpatine is the Sith Lord.

Ahsoka and Qui-Gon Time-Traveling Rock AU x

TCW Ahsoka and TPM Qui-Gon end up in the trope-typical mysterious Force temple. (Two endings available, one fix-it, one sad.)

Gravity Falls AU x

Anakin is Dipper, Ahsoka is Mabel, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are their weird uncles, Padmé works in the gift shop, Dooku runs a rival tourist trap, and Maul is obsessed with Obi-Wan. Also featuring a grappling hook and extensive property damage and some glorious art.

Qui-Gon Accidentally Adopts the Baby Skywalker Twins AU x

Luke and Leia, age five, pop out right after Bandomeer. Qui-Gon somehow gets suckered into adopting them.

Qui-Gon Steals Baby Clones AU x

Dooku tells Qui-Gon about the clones. Somehow, this ends up with Qui-Gon stealing all of them.

Jangosoka x

Ahsoka, post-TCW but pre-Rebels, gets tossed back before Galidraan, and proceeds to do several things with Jango Fett, not the least of which is attempt to kill him

Din Djarin’s Very Stupid Love Triangle x

A few months after the Jedi Luke Skywalker takes Grogu away, Din finds Grogu with Luke’s twin brother, Wormie.

Cody the Time Traveler and Obi-Wan the Exhausted Twenty Something x

Cody goes back in time, breaks into the Jedi temple, and gives Obi-Wan a headache. Anakin is very unhappy

Accidental Sugar Mommy Leia AU x

Leia goes back in time, tries to console a grieving 25 year old Obi-Wan, and accidentally starts some rumors.

You Done Fucked Up AU x

Qui-Gon (flavor: uh oh) lives. His training of Anakin... does not go as planned.

Twins Roleswap AU: ANH x

Leia Skywalker is from Tatooine, absolutely feral, and ready to kill. Luke Organa is... not. They still cause chaos, because they’re them.

Qui-Gon’s Chosen Ones Washouts AU x

Qui-Gon keeps finding the Chosen One. The Force does not agree.

Rael, Count of Serenno AU x

Dooku dies, Rael becomes count of Serenno. Oh, and Qui-Gon becomes his new assistant. Yay!

Jedi and Braids AU x

Qui-Gon lives, Ahsoka braids hair, but there’s a little more to it than that.

Why Won’t You Die AU x

Vader keeps killing Obi-Wan. He’s the reason it doesn’t take.

A Little Too Early AU x

Luke and Leia meet up when they’re fourteen. Chaos ensues.

Quiobi Academia AU x

They're the terrors of the history department. Everyone hates them. For good reason.

Not Quite Premature AU x

The twins are born before Obi-Wan leaves for Utapau. It barely changes anything.

Wend Your Way AU x

A fix-it contrasted with canon in the form of a minific.

Memory Problems AU x

Qui-Gon is brought back to life in the final months of the clone wars, and meets up with Ahsoka in the Outer Rim. Only one problem: he doesn't have his memory, some Mandalorians are after them, oh, and they've just run into Anakin and Obi-Wan.

BOTW AU x

Anakin is the hero, Obi-Wan is the godess-blooded prince. In the background, Ganon is stirring.

In Time AU x

Qui-Gon is stuck in a time loop during TPM. It does not... go well.

YOI AU x

Rexsoka, what it says on the tin.

GFFae AU x

The GFFA has fae. That means both a lot and nothing for certain characters.

Goal Reversal AU x

Qui-Gon wants Obi-Wan for a padawan. Obi-Wan doesn't want him for a master.

Mamma Mia! AU x

Yeah. Yeah it's what you're thinking. I wish I could explain but I really can't.

Teachable AU x

Qui-Gon is a Sith in charge of the Outer Rim. Obi-Wan is the Jedi padawan who tried (and failed) to kill him, but that Qui-Gon really can't muster the energy to off.

Force... Mom? AU x

Force Ghost Qui-Gon accidentally impersonates Anakin's mother. It spirals from there.

Twists of Fate AU x

(Minific) Things are not as Qui-Gon thought they would be.

She's Got a Gun AU x

Leia and Luke go back to the prequels. Leia has a gun. They should not have let Leia have a gun.

Make Him Yell AU x

Leia has gone back in time. Leia hates Qui-Gon Jinn. These facts are related.

Not Quite a Knight AU x

(not!fic) Leiafen AU

#willow's au masterposts

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americankimchi · 3 years

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Do you have any recs for Star Wars novels for ppl only really familiar with the movies? :x idk anything about the Clone Wars shows, or any of the games, and have no idea where to start

i've started many novels but only finished like... a few gjkfhg

also caveat that i only really interact with the PT era so OT and ST novels are out of my area of expertise;;;;

anyways!!

** = novels i've finished

* = novels i've read but haven't finished

no asterisks = novels i haven't read but have heard good things about

these aren't ranked by order of how i like them just listed as i think of them. it's also not a comprehensive list since i dont really have a lot of spare time to read anymore so..... :'(

jedi centric pre-PT novels

high republic: light of the jedi by charles soule apparently a massive love letter to the jedi which obviously means i need to have a copy in my hands as soon as possible

jedi-centric PT era novels

master and apprentice by claudia gray** this one takes place a few years before TPM and is a must read for anyone who likes qui gon and obi wan shenanigans. also rael averross and dooku!! the whole squad is here!!! (also yoda but in very very short bursts)

any of the PT movie novelizations tbh*

jedi apprentice series by jude watson (and dave wolverton but only book 1)* never finished this. i wasn't strong enough jhdkgjf if u want to feel ur blood pressure rise out of sheer frustration then godspeed. it's got really cute moments in it though.... and a lot of information you might need as context when u read sw fanfics about obi's past jssjsk (melida/daan my beloathed...)

dooku: jedi lost by cavan scott a dooku centric novel that i dont know much about bc ive been trying not to spoil myself for it. it's on my list, u understand. :3

dark disciple by christie golden WHAT'S THIS? IT'S QUINLAN VOS WITH A STEEL CHAIR this one is a clone wars concurrent novel featuring ventress and quinlan... i think this one had mixed reviews??? but it's pretty interesting in that it's a novel ft. my underrated king quinlan vos

wild space by karen miller* this one is just pure "obi wan gets turned into the universe's punching bag yet again" except this time BAIL IS THERE!!! O: i never finished this one...... i think i ran out of steam? i was like 80% done i think. also i didnt agree with some characterizations in the novel. but the candle scene was very good

non-jedi-centric PT era novels

queen's peril/shadow by e.k. johnston (queen's hope to drop sometime in november as i understand) padme centric novels ft her handmaidens!!! these are also on my list of things to read so i dont know much about them

i was going to rec the republic commando series by karen traviss since it's got the clone bois in it but i hear it's got a lot of anti-jedi sentiment woven into it so....... read at ur peril ig???

there's way more on the list of course but this is already long enough hgkjfhgjf godspeed anon o7

#star wars #rec list #oh and also the thrawn novels as well but again im not really interested in things that arent jedi related so....................;;;;;;;#but i hear those novels are SICK #anon #ask

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TCW Rewatch: “Cloak of Darkness” (S1, E 9)

If anyone ever doubted whose Padawan Ahsoka was, this should serve as definitive proof.

Gunray: “I want my lawyer.” Clones: “What do you think this is, an American police procedural?”

I hereby christen this episode, “BATTLE OF THE HAIR”

They should have known right there Argyle was a traitor.

Okay, but I love Dooku being totally on it in terms of, “yes, things have gone to shit, but I have a Plan X, Y, and Z.”

More than once, Dooku admonishes Ventress to “prove she’s worthy of being his apprentice.” Now yes, this is Standard Sith talk, of course, but allow me to over-interpret this for a moment and ponder the notion that Dooku is (subconsciously) trying to fill the holes left by Qui-gon’s death and Rael’s...well, we don’t know in canon what happened to Rael at this point but I have my own headcanon and it doesn’t turn out well. (Think Bojack Season 6, Episode 15 *not* 16.) Ventress, in a way, was never going to be worthy of Dooku only because she was proxy for his two dead Padawans, and even so Dooku cared enough to be conflicted when he finally had to do her in via Sidious’s orders later on.

Ahsoka’s “interrogation” of Nute Gunray is hilarious as she is so obviously mimicking something Anakin did in the past in terms of playing bad cop, right down to the excuse that she was faking it to get information. (Would Anakin have told Obi-wan the same thing? Abso-fucking-lutely.)

Uhhh, I’m with Ventress here, I, too, would have decapitated a guy for calling me a bald -

Don’t blame her one bit.

Ahsoka, really? Too powerful for one Jedi except you who threatened to kill her? Gods, she is such a teenager here it’s hilarious.

By the way? Ventress is good at what she does. Just saying, Dooku has good taste and trains his students well.

I love Gunray offering to buy someone a planet in return for his pardon. Come over to the States, Gunray, our federal government seemingly has more than enough room for beings like you. *sobs in American*

“Halt, assassin!”

Little moments like this are the best. It’s a throwaway line that says so much about Luminara’s character. The language is antiquated, even for the sometimes-Shakespearean GFFA, which tells us Luminara is a traditional Jedi, even more so than Obi-wan who hides behind both protocol and a casual, barbed wit. And - while like most Jedi - Luminara definitely has a taste for adventure, she is one of the more rule-bound Masters and it makes wonder if that clashed with Barriss’s personality, despite them being from the same species and culture and if that pairing and assumption contributed to the problem. (Which brings up a whole other interesting question of who gets paired with whom in terms of humans vs. non-humans in the Jedi Order and would be an interesting case study I do not have time to delve into at the moment.)

This is a great sequence:

Argyle argues that the whole point is that he (and Ahsoka) are superior to droids because they can make the “right? decision. At the same time, the clone argues that he would stay. But is a clone a droid or a sentient and the backdrop for this little conversation is telling, especially that line about “empty servitude,” which could describe the droids, the clones, or even the Jedi in light of their relationship with the corrupt(ing) Republic.

Ah, Luminara going for the self-esteem insults versus Ventress, saying her fighting style is a messy copy of Dooku’s. Not a bad ploy, considering the personalities involved.

Argyle calling Ahsoka “Master Jedi” you smarmy son of a bitch.

Oh boy, Argyle, you better shut it, you’re gonna get skwered -

And yeah, I think we all saw that coming.

#hello there #legobiwan rewatches tcw #ahsoka tano #asajj ventress #luminara unduli #ahsoka is a hilarious teen in this episode and i am here for the cringe #also for battle of the dually-parted hair #okay NEXT episodes are the obi wan dooku hondo arc i had forgotten about this one #GEARING UP PEOPLE #gearing the fuck up

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Master and Apprentice by Claudia Gray

So I’m reading my way through this novel and so far I have mixed feelings. The story feels a bit flat, it doesn’t flow really well, jumping between characters without letting us really settle into one of their heads.

The plot feels more like a pretext. It’s one we’ve seen a million time before : there is a conflict for X reason on a planet, and the planet leader is a friend of Qui Gon Jinn so he asks for his help.

The prose is also a bit flat. We see characters using turn of phrases that seem oddly out of place in a star wars novel like “atta girl” and other similar expressions.

My main problem however remain the characters. Obi Wan feels flat, like he’s only a stand-in for the audience, and we got introduced to some “crechemates” that we had never heard of before. Bant, Garen, Reeft and the like have been erased, but since no time is ever spent with these new characters they are easily forgettable. Also I’m sorry but now Obi-Wan loves to fly??? His characterization feels very odd sometimes, he doesn’t feel like TPM, AOTC, TCW, ROTS, or even ANH Obi Wan Kenobi, and I definitly have trouble hearing “his” voice.

Despite the title, and as others have said, Qui Gon is very much the protagonist, and I would say that Rael Averros is the deuteragonist, while Obi Wan sometimes feel like a secondary character.

Otherwise, Qui Gon’ portrayal is intriguing, although not very flattering. But I do think it’s coherent with what we see in TPM. There’s a moment when Qui Gon wonders“ how things could’ve gotten so bad, so quickly. The probable answer: they’d been that bad for a while, but he’d failed to see it. He’d been so busy judging Obi-Wan that he hadn’t thoroughly judged himself." It feels like an echo to their degrading relationship in TPM after Qui Gon’s declaration to the Council concerning Anakin.

#sw #sw novel #masterandapprentice #qui gon jinn #obi wan kenobi

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Master and Apprentice by Claudia Gray | The Clone Wars - “The Rise of Clovis” THERE’S A LOT TO UNPACK HERE, which is one of the things that’s really been A Thing in Star Wars media, especially in the last couple of years--unreliable narrators and how you have to use the context around them to figure out how much what they’re saying is reliable (even if everyone is unreliable to at least a partial degree). Ie, if you can find characters who generally are accurate in accordance to the other things we see happening in the scene and have selfless motivations or has been confirmed by word of god, then you can trust them more. If you find someone who has an axe to grind or has been falling into darker thoughts/the dark side, then you trust what they’re saying less. One of the things that I’ve loved so much about Master and Apprentice is that there are multiple story threads that wind together to show Qui-Gon’s decreasing narrative reliability/increasing hypocrisy (especially when one considers where he ends up in The Phantom Menace)/just plain His Opinion On Things Because Qui-Gon Should Have His Own Opinion On Things Not Just Being A Cypher Mouthpiece For The Story and that’s how the above scenes work actually really well with what we see of the Jedi’s view towards these subjects elsewhere--namely, Obi-Wan says in The Clone Wars, “It’s not that we’re not allowed to have these feelings. It’s natural.” when speaking about romantic feelings and this interview with George Lucas: "Jedi Knights aren't celibate - the thing that is forbidden is attachments - and possessive relationships." [x] (As a side note: I’ve heard it said that, when two things seem to contradict each other, like in a film versus a novelization, the film will take precedence and I’m pretty sure the same applies here--The Clone Wars is going to take precedence over a novel, especially if it’s backed up by a George Lucas quote. So if this is a contradiction--and I don’t think it is--then I think TCW+GL would be the way to go by.) At first these two things seem to contradict each other, but ultimately I don’t think they do--even within this specific scene, Rael thinks about Qui-Gon’s hypocrisy, a nod to all those other things the narrative is showing us about Qui-Gon’s decreasing ability to be a reliable narrator. As well as the Jedi forbid even having romantic feelings? That’s Rael’s interpretation, who has also been established as an unreliable narrator when it comes to the Jedi’s foundations, because we have context to establish otherwise. The thing is that you can’t prioritize both, because of the positions Jedi are put in as their roles in the Republic and the way the galaxy treats Force-sensitives, that you have to make a choice because disaster is so, so easy to happen if you don’t. And either choice is perfectly fine, like with Tula’s grandmother who had “nothing but respect for the Jedi Order” after she left for wanting to be with someone! Even in this book, Rael notes that it’s about dividing loyalties and compromising emotions (which is a genuine risk for Level 100 Space Wizard Psychics), not that it’s inherently bad in and of itself. Ultimately, given all the context of the various pieces we have, it doesn’t seem like celibacy or developing romantic feelings (which seems to be largely pretty rare already, most of the Jedi seem really aromantic and I love the headcanon that the Force provides all this connection in their heads already that they’re perfectly content/just don’t want more than what’s already fulfilling, especially since it’s very open about how anyone can leave, if that’s what they wanted, they have plenty of examples of people who have, those who are celebrated and spoken warmly of) is actually genuinely the letter of the law, but that Rael was making a point about the difference between the two and that Qui-Gon was being pretty hypocritical about being so uptight about it--all of which fits perfectly with the themes and currents of the rest of the book! And that’s why it ends on the note it does: "You know, there've always been a few Jedi--let's be honest, more than a few--who see celibacy as an ideal, not a rule." Already it’s throwing the idea that this is actually a “rule” into narrative unreliability, it’s about the conversation Qui-Gon and Rael are having, which is a conversation that’s actually about Rael’s growing attachment to Fanry and what happened with Nim, which means they’re ramping up what they’re saying, rather than actually specifically talking about the idea of Jedi being not allowed to have romantic feelings or to have sex. And, frankly, do ANY of us believe that Anakin and Padme were fooling anyone? Because if the Jedi were strict about not even having sex, WE’D HAVE SEEN THEM SAY SOMETHING ABOUT HOW OBVIOUS ANAKIN AND PADME WERE. ANYWAY, THE JEDI ARE TOTALLY ALLOWED TO FUCK AND YOU KNOW THEY DID.

#qui gon jinn #rael averross #jedi order #meta #novels

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Master and Apprentice | by Claudia Gray OKAY, HERE’S WHY I KEEP YELLING ABOUT QUI-GON AND HIS AMAZING HYPOCRISY. It’s not just this, there are a bunch of ways (most notably, he completely misjudges the Jedi Council, thinks the worst of them, they hate everything he says, they only want people who agree with them, who lick their boots!, then five minutes later they’re offering him a position on the Council specifically FOR his diverging viewpoints, because they value that, and he STILL refuses to re-evaluate his opinion, STILL refuses to trust them or work with them) but this is really the heart of it. Qui-Gon believes it’s immoral to do nothing about slavery and he is absolutely right about that. Where he becomes a hypocrite about it is that he believes the Jedi should just go ahead and do whatever they want, they should impose their will on other beings. He grudgingly admits that human morals are not always the same for other species, but insists that slavery is not one of those things. Again, he’s still sort of right, except he’s ignoring that just making people do what you want them to do, instead of going through a democratic process, IS WHAT FASCISM IS. He still wants to just go ahead and go rogue and do whatever they want and his intentions are incredibly well-meant, but he acknowledges nothing of what consequences that would bring. He acknowledges nothing about how the Jedi are in the same exact position he’s in--there is one Jedi for every 7 to 20 billion beings in the galaxy. If one Jedi isn’t enough to go free the slaves on Pijal by himself--something Qui-Gon never even considers doing--then the Jedi going up against the rest of the galaxy (and, make no mistake, with how clearly canon has established that people fear the Jedi’s inherent abilities, they would absolutely band together and kill the Jedi if they went rogue, the only reason they’re not in the same position as the X-Men is because they realized oversight and accountability goes a long fuckin’ way with people) would be in an even worse position. But he never acknowledges this, nor does he include himself in being immoral for this. No, only the Jedi are immoral for doing exactly what Qui-Gon himself does in an situation that is perfectly analogous. Sure. Where it gets absolutely INCREDIBLE, though, is that he wins the day and even frees the slaves through his connection to the Republic, through the use of Republic law and might. Why do they have a Republic? FOR THIS MOMENT RIGHT FUCKING HERE. Obi-Wan being an official representative of the Republic (after Qui-Gon is relieved of it for fucking it up) is what allows them to free the slaves. If the Jedi had gone Qui-Gon’s way, this happy ending for the slaves wouldn’t be here. Does he recognize this? Does he even acknowledge that being part of the Republic is what gives them the authority to do EXACTLY what he did? That if they went rogue, they wouldn’t be able to do this? Nope. Nor does he acknowledge that Rael Averross is on the planet, in the position he is, specifically because the Jedi worked with the Republic and worked within the system. The reason this got fucked up is because Rael fell prey to some nasty attachment issues--and, frankly, proved the Jedi’s point in a rather startlingly undeniable way, that he nearly fucked over A THIRD OF THE POPULATION, because he was focused on Fanry only--but if someone who had their shit together was there? THEY COULD HAVE PREVENTED A WHOLE LOT OF SLAVES. Yoda even says it, we have to get that treaty changed, because that’s bad news. They are helping people and Qui-Gon refuses to acknowledge it, because it’s not how he wants to do it. aka, going in there with lightsaber blazing, damning the wars and deaths--because, let’s also be clear, the second you go in there with force, rather than with legal authority and the law on your side, it’s the slaves who are the hostages in this situation, it’s the slaves who are going to die first, as well as it would have started a war with the entire Republic over the whole thing. It also makes this moment incredibly hypocritical:

He could go free those slaves. He could just lightsaber Watto in half, take Shmi and Anakin and rather easily (at least as easily as the Jedi could just go do what they wanted in the same way, probably far more so) free the rest of them on Tatooine. Yet, he doesn’t. Why? Because he has to know, even if he doesn’t want to admit it, that it wouldn’t actually address the underlying problem, it would only result in more deaths of the people who are already the victims here, and it would fuck over all the other people on Naboo who are dying because they’re here. That is exactly the same position the Jedi are in and it’s an understandable one. You cannot change this situation with leeroy jenkinsing it, because it will only resurface (and get a shitload of people killed along the way). You have to try to change it within the system, you have to work to better the system, you have to keep trying even when it seems hard, because NOTHING WILL EVER LAST unless the system (and the general public) backs you up on this, that is the only way to get things to crawl forward to a better future. And also let’s be real fuckin’ clear about getting involved with politics--do I think the Jedi should have leaned in harder? Yeah, of course. Literally EVERY PERSON IN THE REPUBLIC should be held to that standard! But the Jedi are not the political power house that we want to think, their influence is tiny in comparison, especially once the war happens and they’re busy putting out twenty tire fires a day and, you know, DYING EN MASSE for a people who don’t want to fight themselves. We do see them trying to advise, to push for better options--and we see Palpatine consistently shutting them down every time they try! This is also why I think it’s a good idea to read Queen’s Shadow at the same time, as one of the major subplots is basically all about Padme trying to make effective change AS A POLITICIAN, WHERE THIS IS HER FULL TIME JOB and it’s incredibly difficult. Imagine not even having a fraction of the political clout she did and still fighting the same exact uphill battles! Of course it should (and is) being done, slavery is abhorrent and it’s on the public to hold their governments responsible to enact meaningful change. But I have no patience for those who put forth empty rhetoric over actually offering viable real solutions, not just “Someone should do something!” Like, wow, yes, thank you for that insight, now would you care to share with the class specifically how that could be done without getting everyone killed? Nor do I have patience for people who criticize methods that are getting actual results and hold themselves to be The Only Moral One Here while not actually offering anything new of substance to the problem that would actually work.

--Queen’s Shadow, by E.K. Johnston You work with the system (and, in the Jedi’s case, step TWICE AS CAREFULLY, because, hey, guess what, if you seem like you’re getting TOO much power, they’ll literally stand and watch as your Temple burns and your babies are murdered, that’s how little they trust you, how much they fear you, how much they’re just waiting for you to abuse your power, because they don’t understand your connection to a Force that they can’t feel, that it’s not as straightforward as Qui-Gon wants it to be, it’s a hell of a lot more complicated) because that’s how you have any kind of ability to hold people to decent fucking behavior. It’s like in The Last Jedi where Luke tells Rey that, oh, the Jedi would just say let the attacks happen to the native people. When, no, what they actually did was align themselves with the only reasonable government around (THE OTHER OPTIONS WERE WORSE, LET’S KEEP THAT IN MIND) so they had the ability to say, “If you try this shit again, we have legal authority and the weight of the Republic behind us, to come after you if you come back.” And that’s what saved the day in this book. Obi-Wan being the Republic’s representative, the weight of the Republic behind them, the law being used in a good and moral way because the Jedi worked to get everything into the right place so that this could have a real happy(-ish) ending, is what let those slaves go free. Qui-Gon wants the Jedi to go be hippies on backwater planets to connect to the Living Force, but he also wants them to be involved in politics and push harder for democratic reform (WHICH WE SEE THEM DOING BASICALLY IN THIS BOOK) and make the laws, like, that whole thing is absolute mess with no clear direction of what he wants, other than that he wants to be able to whatever he wants whenever he wants and not wanting to face the consequences himself for it, but make others face those consequences. You could leave and do exactly what you’re proposing, Qui-Gon Jinn, but you don’t. And you know why you don’t. To be clear, in closing, Qui-Gon is not even remotely a bad person, he cares deeply and I wouldn’t have a problem with his point of view if he weren’t judging others for it (a thing that is a theme throughout this book, he gets real judgy sometimes) or maybe if he actually stuck to his own beliefs. He’s coming from a place of deep care, but he is not self-examining on the level he needs to and instead projecting that blame outwards, instead of actually doing something about it.

#qui gon jinn #jedi #jedi order #meta #novels #master and apprentice #master and apprentice spoilers #long post

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