#obey me season 4

[still-a-morosexual-help]

I love this fucking family.

Whoever is writing their dialogue is doing God's work. Yeah that's exactly what siblings sound like

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[sparkbeast20]

Then was the freaking point of an alcoholic drink when you can't drunk!!!

Is like just drinking juice at this point!!!

#Just revisiting season 4 #I haven't got drunk before but I know from my siblings that the whole point of drinking beer and other alcoholic drinks is to get drunk. #obey me #omswd #obey me diavolo #obey me season 4 #spark's chat chaos

[luckykittysshowerthoughts]

Simeon's Punishment

I want to start this off by saying that I agree with the masses that Season 4 was VERY poorly executed. I honestly have actual trust issues with the writers after how that season was handled, to the point that it actually prevented me from getting into Nightbringer until very recently.

...that said. I think that beneath the poor pacing, vague wording, misplaced focus, lack of closure, hidden signals and all-around awful handling, there is something here that deserves to be analyzed. So I'm writing this because I want to decode whatever the fuck the writers were going for. So, here we go.

The reason for Simeon's punishment was... confusing, to say the least. Yes, he did steal from the Celestial Realm, and from Michael personally. However... the reasons he did so are not only just, but reasons Michael should have personally agreed with. Even if Michael didn't give a damn about MC, he very clearly still loves Lucifer- and if Simeon hadn't done what he did, MC would have driven that knife straight through Lucifer's chest. What Simeon did saved the life of one of the most important people to Michael... not to mention protected the Celestial Realm. MC's ring of power was dangerously close to destabilizing all three realms, with the effects already starting to hit the Celestial Realm. What Simeon did was in the best interest of everyone, including Michael and the Celestial Realm. So, why was he punished...?

Well, this post is going to take a similar direction to my post about the fall. It wasn't actually meant to be a punishment at all.

When you look at Simeon's situation from a lens of punishment, certain details don't add up. It wasn't like Michael left Simeon out to dry. He sent arguably his most important angel, Raphael, to ensure Simeon's safety. He reached out to and to some extent collaborated with the Devildom- which he's made clear in the past that he distrusts and dislikes- just to keep everyone on the same page about Simeon and his protection. These acts don't exactly scream "punishment".

Then there was what Michael said to MC in season three- "I have to think about Simeon as well, after all."

This reads to me like Michael is- albeit subtly- angsting over the situation. Like he's still actively looking out for Simeon and his best interests, in his own way. It certainly doesn't sound like someone who has ill will towards him or is apathetic about his wellbeing.

Raphael doesn't seem particularly unhappy with Simeon over the whole thing either, and we all know how much of a stickler Raphael is for rules and doing the "right" thing. His full support of Simeon the entire time tells me that this is a little more complicated than a broken rule.

So... what exactly happened?

It's made very obvious that Simeon being turned human was because he stole the ring; that isn't up for debate. But that doesn't necessarily mean it was a punishment. What I think happened was that the incident made Michael realize a few things about Simeon- and that this was a long time coming, it's just that the situation with the ring was what made him feel that Simeon was better off not being an angel.

In the act of stealing the ring, Simeon made a very loud and clear statement about where his heart truly lies and what's important to him.

If his first and foremost thought was to be a good loyal angel, he would have let that dagger go straight through Lucifer's chest for the "greater good". Lucifer would have died, and MC would be worse for wear, but the Celestial Realm would be safe from the chaotic magic MC possessed.

...but that wasn't what was important to Simeon. That wasn't what mattered most to him.

What Simeon did saved the Celestial Realm, but that's not why he did it. He did it to save Lucifer and MC. That was what was important to him. His heart doesn't lie with the Celestial Realm, not anymore. It lies with MC, and with the brothers, and with the spirit of the exchange program- the fight to make bonds between the realms work.

I'll get into MC and Lucifer in a moment, but for now, that last point. His full and undying belief in doing what's best for all three realms. In Nightbringer, if MC tells Solomon that they want to find a way that's best for everyone instead of choosing between the demons, angels, and humans, it raises intimacy levels not with Solomon, but with Simeon. Who wasn't even in the room or anywhere near them at the time.

That is who Simeon is.

And the rules of the Celestial Realm confine him from doing what he was meant to do, the person he wanted to be.

As an angel, Simeon was only allowed to even see Lucifer and his brothers due to the exchange program- he wasn't allowed to venture down to visit his dear brother freely; in the original game's timeline he likely went centuries without being able to contact him.

He was even more restricted with MC, with whom he had to express clear restraint to avoid lustful sinning. Though most of the examples of this are locked behind Devilgrams (one of the many ways in which this whole arc was poorly handled)- one example I remember was one of his birthday cards from the year of S4 where he's shown sending MC away to hold himself back from "temptation". He couldn't love MC in the way he wanted to love them, because he was an angel.

And the relationship between the realms? Well, he can't do what's best for everyone if he's bound by the strict and oppressive rules of one. The rules that a very drunk Simeon in the devilgram "Simeon's Hidden Side" confesses were severely burning him out. The rules that, in Season 2, he spat in the face of with zero hesitation to pursue what he truly believed in. Simeon is a free spirit, one being slowly strangled by the Celestial Realm's jungle of rules and restrictions.

I don't think Michael did what he did because he was angry with Simeon. I think he did it because he knew it was time to let him go.

But that may not have been what he said. We all know by now that Michael isn't the brightest socially-speaking. When even Raphael, the most tactless being across the three realms, calls you socially inept, that's saying something.

I think what Michael meant to say was that the incident with the ring made him realize that Simeon is better off elsewhere. But what came out was "this is because of the ring"- which bears some very obvious negative implications. Especially when spoken to someone who is most likely in immense shock from the daunting situation they're being faced with. Simeon may be great at reading people and interpreting their motivations under normal circumstances, but it's very likely a part of Simeon's brain just turned off the moment he learned he was going to be human- honestly, who could blame him.

I think the whole "punishment" aspect was, largely, a miscommunication. Something that's backed up further towards the end of the season.

When Satan asks Simeon if it's because he stole the ring, Simeon's answer is rather vague.

"Something like that". That's... a rather strange response. It's rather roundabout. It indicates that it's a little more complicated.

Then there was what Simeon said later in that conversation.

"You-know-who has been waiting for me to figure that out."

Michael's been waiting for Simeon to realize why he actually did what he did. It wasn't about what Simeon did, but who he was. After all, as Simeon says, "this is who I am".

In short...

Yes, Simeon's transformation into a human was because he stole the ring. But no, that doesn't mean it was a punishment.

Simeon's act wasn't just a broken rule, it was a statement about who he is and where his heart lies- a statement that made Michael realize that he's not meant to be an angel. But when Michael said that he was turning Simeon human because he stole the ring, that was not what was gotten across- an in-shock Simeon interpreted it as a punishment, and viewed it as such until the end of the season where he realized what Michael actually meant.

And, honestly, I'm alright with this. I still have a bone to pick with the writers regarding how it was handled, I could rant for ages about that, but I can appreciate the idea itself. My only real concern now is that I hope Simeon keeps his angel lifespan. If he doesn't, then turning him human is essentially indirectly killing him down the line- which has moral issues I can't overlook or justify. That's really my only big problem here after looking at it under a microscope.

I'm also noticing a trend here, if my analysis is in any way accurate. It seems like Michael is the kind of person to make very big, very strange, morally dubious decisions that start to make a lot more sense when looked at more closely. It really lends credence to Simeon's whole "he does everything for a reason" thing. It's a part of Michael's character that I'm interested in seeing where it goes- but hoping for no more Simeon angst in the process, please. Please don’t hurt my boy again.

But, that's my two cents. If this doesn't make sense, it's because I wrote this in an ADHD-induced frenzy at 4 AM and apparently didn't edit it well (or at all) in the morning. Either way, I'll go ahead and claim my title as this hellsite's biggest Michael apologist before anyone can stick it to me. Kitty out.

#this season actually absolutely gutted me because id only just realized my feelings for Simeon and Michael #only to see one hurt the other and feel like I had to choose beteeen them #I actually still haven’t played S4 through in its entirety yet #obey me simeon #obey me michael #obey me angels #obey me season 4 #obey me analysis #omswd #this might be my most controversial post yet im kind of nervous

[devildomwriter]

Major Spoiler Poll for Obey Me Season 4

#obey me shall we date #obey me season four #obey me season 4 #obey me angels #obey me celestial realm #obey me simeon #omswd simeon #obey me poll

[messysketchyobeyme]

Simeon, a human pretending to be an angel vs. MC, a human pretending to be a demon...?

#obey me #obey me simeon #obey me season 4 #obey me spoilers #obey me season 4 spoilers #spoilers #nightbringer #i feel like there's some potential here idk #maybe like an au or something

[starry-miki]

Here is some fanart of thirteen! I don’t have to much experience with fully cooling and rending but I don’t think it turned out too bad tho! But I do def need to work on my line art. But what do you guys think? ✨

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[emmys-grimoire]

Lesson 80 Story & Analysis

It’s finally over. I did not enjoy the ride. But it sure was a finale, I guess.

Sorry it took me so long to write this up, but I had other obligations and I just didn’t have the motivation. But now it’s done, and I get awhile to relax!

Story

We left off on another cliffhanger last time, after Simeon finally told the others what’s up with him as they clung to him in the middle of the conjured dark crevasse.

He’s right. This is the least opportune moment for this revelation, and so far the only opportunity Simeon has had to actually use his angelic powers! That’s just how relevant they were to this point. 

Regardless, they’re relevant now. Or would be if they existed. Since they don’t, they remain in trouble.

Beelzebub wants to help them, but apparently the wind is so strong that we can’t even see them. Lucifer transforms and steps in and blows them away from the approaching tornado with his four wings. Those must be some powerful gusts.

Mammon and Asmo get tossed into the tree and bushes respectively.

The dark crevasse seems to be getting bigger and it starts to uproot the fauna. A tree gets flung at us but we’re given three options to avoid it (I just used magic, which gave me Diavolo affection). We continue to try to move the gigantic treasure chest but it’s not budging. 

We can suggest opening it or plugging it: I chose the former because I’m not sure how the latter makes any sense, and Lucifer agrees with the plan. Satan asks how, because we don’t have a key. Diavolo has a revelation and tells us oh he has it. Satan goes “wait, what?” because he hasn’t truly figured it out yet.

But to be fair…

It is pretty weird. 

The chest is opened once Diavolo scans his eyeball and the magical energy spills out, blinding everyone. The dark crevasse eats it all up and vanishes. Mammon/Levi/Asmo are no longer invisible. Asmo immediately demands a mirror. No one has one on hand, so he insists on seeing his reflection through Beel’s eyes and crows over his appearance. Mammon asks Levi if he remembers his name, and Levi replies in the affirmative. Solomon inquires about Barbatos’s health, and Barbatos is now feeling fine.

The treasure chest is back to its tiny size. The crisis is over.

Mammon demands they have a talk. He demands an explanation from Simeon, and Satan demands one from Diavolo. If you think this is meant to be a serious moment, you’re wrong: the clown music is playing. Barbatos insists we go elsewhere before saying anything further.

We move things to the Demon Lord’s Castle. Mammon asks why Mephisto isn’t around, and Beelzebub reveals that he left. The brothers think he must be allergic to fun, passing up a chance to have a sleepover at Diavolo’s place, but Lucifer informs them that Diavolo is just being nice. Luke is there, and seems to be enjoying himself. He flushes when Beelzebub notes aloud just how happy he seems. There’s quite a bit of chit-chat before they finally get back to the actual conversation.

Diavolo explains himself first:

SURPRISE.

Mammon notes that what Diavolo did was against the rules, but like hell if he cares. Rules are for peasants.

Yeah, okay. It wasn’t subtle at all, but these are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

We passed our final trial, meaning we’re now a bonafide member of the mail sorting council.

Everyone congratulates and dogpiles us. Mammon gets upset when everyone starts hugging us because of course he does. Satan notes someone else now owes us an explanation. He proceeds to explain he is no longer a human. 

Mammon at first disbelieves him. Which I find odd because he was the first one to get suspicious and suggest the CR did something harmful to him. Simeon insists he wasn’t joking, Mammon already knows, and clarifies.

Apparently you can feel angel powers, I guess? Or at least demons can.

Luke is predictably confused. Asmo asks why, and Satan correctly deduces that it’s because he stole the Ring of Light.

... Right.

So the CR didn’t send him on a mission to delegate human-angel relations, Simeon just thought it’d be fun if he opened a cafe and take Luke with him under that pretense. This is all part of a journey of self-discovery.

Simeon took a lot of time to come to the conclusion that “everything happens for a reason”, with the implication that it must be a good reason. If you’re still convinced that this narrative is going to make the Celestial Realm and it’s angels the bad guys, I don’t think you’ve been paying attention...

Solomon asks Luke if he’s okay. This revelation must be tough on him, right? He must be very confused. Initially, he seems to be struggling, but you can reassure him that Simeon just still Simeon… apparently Simeon’s identity was the issue here, not his impromptu demotion for saving the three realms.

Simeon takes the opportunity to apologize to Raph, at least.

I feel bad for Raphael. Being a babysitter in his debut season. He ultimately takes it in stride, though.

Everything’s resolved because there wasn’t really much of a problem in the first place.

We continue to get pampered by Diavolo. We talk to Simeon in the garden. 

I guess insecurities usually aren’t rational or rooted in reality but this still feels like a cop-out. 

Luke got over it real quick. Apparently he’s fine with the Celestial Realm punishing Simeon, as long as he wasn’t transformed into an entirely different person. But why would he be?

This really shouldn’t be the central conflict. There’s no reason for them to reject Simeon just because he’s a human when they don’t reject any of the present humans.

But I digress. After we make out with Simeon we return to the castle and presumably have dinner. 

I insist on continuing to party and get whisked away to a romantic scene with Mammon in the guest room. I chose wrong, clearly.

Barbatos wakes us up in the morning. You can ask him for a good morning kiss and he complies. Okay lol.

Diavolo greets us in the ballroom. Luke is surprised that Lucifer isn’t up yet and Diavolo reminds us that Lucifer is not a morning demon. This baffles the angel because he doesn’t recall Lucifer ever being late or missing a meeting. 

Luke raves about how great the breakfast was, and asks Barbatos for the recipe for the pastries we ate. Barbatos agrees to teach him, and they go off to the kitchen, leaving us with Diavolo… who invites us to his room.

Once there, he congratulates us for making the student council.

I don’t think we’ve changed much in the school. Most of the student body still thinks the exchange program is dumb according to the survey we did. It’s an improvement from everyone hating it, but remember that most of the demon populace is afraid of Diavolo no matter how unjustified it may be.

He informs us that we’ll undergo a formal ceremony to make our induction official.

We wander outside to the lakeside gazebo and meet with the others, who are now awake and enjoying breakfast. 

We get a moment with Luke.

He just thanks us for being there for Simeon when he needed us. He believes if he was open-minded and nice, Simeon would have turned to him to help, too. He now has a mission to become an angel “worthy of respect”... he’s worthy of respect already. Everyone is. 

This is probably my least favorite part of the lesson because we know that the reason Simeon didn’t let Luke know was that he was afraid of making him sad, and I don’t think Luke is unjustified in being hurt about being kept in the dark when Simeon is his friend and his custodian. In addition to that, we accept this framing, and encourage him to be a better angel. His invalidates his own feelings and we help him do so.

This is a kid by the way.

I know he can be immature and was close-minded (though he’s started openly befriending demons this season), but damn. If we’re having a contest between the angels about who is the most honest and sincere, I’d put my money on him. Keep in mind that Raphael also never corrected Solomon’s lie to Simeon about Luke running away, too… and they never came clean to Simeon about it. All of this is pretty much just swept under the rug.

Satan takes us aside next. He warns us that things are about to get rough and to get ready… then we’re whisked off to the student council room. 

We finish our paperwork and run into Beel, Mephisto and 13 outside. Remember them? Thirteen wasn’t invited to the festivities I guess. Thirteen goes on about setting up another trap for Solomon. Mephisto points out that her trap isn’t going to work, and begins to explain why when she asks. Beelzebub notes how chummy they are now and they both deny it. I didn’t think it was a particularly friendly interaction, either, but okay.

Mephisto reminds us that we were on short-term exchange program like we were previously, along with Solomon, and the term should be ending shortly. Thirteen thinks it’ll be dull without us around, and corrects Beelzebub when he says he thought she was also on a short term. It’s her first term, so she’s there for a full-fledged year. 

Yes, so did I. Why do we have to return when we’ve just gotten the job?

It’s just a thing we do now. We go back to the House of Lamentation dining room and everyone starts despairing about our imminent but undoubtedly temporary departure. Why do we have to do this?

Asmo insists they stop wallowing and build us a memory box, so we don’t forget them in the like two weeks we’re gone.

Didn’t we do a variation of this last time? They gave use keepsakes so we can practice summoning them easier...

They all put in their mementos, and you get to choose yours.

Naturally I have no idea what any of these actually are until I choose.

I pick the sports festival because it’s the only arc in this season I liked in some capacity.

We reminiscence about the event, and about all the events connected to each of their mementos. Naturally, since I’m a hater, this has no effect on my black heart.

Lucifer isn’t around to put his in, so Asmo does it for him. It’s great being a Lucifer stan sometimes. It’s a letter. His brothers immediately want to open it, but Asmo tells them if it’s opened by anyone besides us they’ll be cursed. 

Here are all the mementos. Don’t think it’s worth individual screenshots.

We leave and go shopping. We run into the Purgatory crew. Raphael notes there’s a sale at the butcher’s shop, and Simeon comments on how familiar Raphael is with the Devildom now. We note that Simeon is back in his Celestial clothing.

I guess he prefers this set over his human clothes after all? Just didn’t feel comfortable wearing them before because he technically isn’t an angel any more.

… But you’re not an angel any more. Why are you still reporting to the Celestial Realm? You’re enrolled as a human now, right? You can do whatever you want. With Luke it makes sense but…

Ugh they’re undercutting the decision they’ve committed to already.

Honestly? Same.

I’ll be right back and I don’t have the memory of a goldfish. You really don’t have to worry.

The student council inauguration is tomorrow apparently. Simeon wishes us luck.

We fast forward. Lucifer’s smugly fussing over us. We can nab a smooch, and he steals a smooch from us in return. We continue to the ceremony in the colosseum.

Diavolo gives a speech.

HELP ME

Our actual choices:

I go the formal route because why not. They all think it must be because I’m nervous. Lucifer tells them to shut up and they go “YOU CAN’T MAKE ME!” The squabbling starts, but thankfully we just move on.

We get a transition to a bright cloudy sky and we’re getting a magic lesson from Solomon again. 

Okay so it was several weeks not just two but c’mon.

Cue credits. It’s finally over.

After the credits, we cut to the brothers mourning our absence and Simeon mother henning them. Diavolo, Barbatos, and Lucifer aren’t despairing because they seem to know we’re on our way. Sure enough, we teleport in and fall on top of them. Belphegor asks why we’re here, and Lucifer gives him the obvious answer: we now work there.

I’m sure glad I won’t get fined.

Yep.

They begin to fight over us. The end.

Analysis

They did manage to accomplish one thing I expected them to do: we now have a reason to remain in the Devildom indefinitely. Unfortunately, we’re just a secretary instead of a student. Simeon also has an opportunity to stick around longer, but I’m not sure what they’re gonna pull out of their asses to keep Raphael around after his first year is up. It may very well be just because the Celestial Realm is fine with just sending the same students over and over again. Beginning to think this format wasn’t a great choice.

We didn’t get any of the drama I was hoping for and expecting, but about three-fourths into this season it was obvious they’re not interested in that kind of thing. This season was a giant exercise in not making any effort to have any significant interpersonal or intrapersonal conflict. The closest we got was Lucifer and Satan fight arc part 4, and that was a flop in its own right. There are plenty of opportunities to make things more interesting: we could have learned more about the nobility with Mephisto, could have learned more about reapers with Thirteen, could have learned more about the Celestial Realm and the war with Raphael, could have finally had an opportunity for Luke to reflect on how the Celestial Realm doles out their punishments now that he finally acknowledges demons can be his friends, we could have actually learned *anything* about the school council assuming it’s something more significant than a school council (it’s probably not), and they didn’t have to put our decision-making on auto-pilot to justify our brilliance when we’ve been consistently given the opportunity to be a dumb ass up until this point… it’s not like there are not plenty of idiots on the student council already.

I know some fans are satisfied with how his arc concluded but I’m very disappointed. “He does everything for a reason, this is meant to be” is literally the least exciting answer/conclusion he could have come up with. It sounds like he’s not interested in actually regaining his angelhood (in spite of Lucifer’s reassurance earlier) and I’d argue it detracts from hints of rebellion and sass we got to see in Season 2. Now he’s just another pretty boy who luvs us, who is supposed to be a human now but still functions exactly the same way he did as an angel. He’s S1 Simeon again but now with heart eyes. Glad he’s happy, I guess, but I think his issue being he was afraid everyone wouldn’t still accept him as a human is also really dumb. If anything he’s *more* pliable to them now because he can’t smite them to oblivion if he ever gets angry. It feels very hollow.

I’ll save the rest of what I have to say about this lesson in the season review. That’s going to take some time: I’ll be settling in my new place and school is coming up. It just isn’t my highest priority now, but it is important to write it for the sake of this blog going forward.

#obey me #obey me! #obey me spoilers #obey me lesson 80 #obey me simeon #obey me lucifer #obey me diavolo #obey me mammon #obey me satan #obey me raphael #obey me luke #obey me solomon #commentary #analysis #obey me season 4

[misc-obeyme]

SO. I finally finally finished season four so I’m all caught up with the main story. I wanted to get through it before Nightbringer came out and I have done it.

I would like to begin by saying that I am in love with Thirteen. She's perfection.

I wasn’t sure about Raphael at first but he grew on me by the end. His enjoyment of Solomon’s cooking is concerning, but at least someone likes it??

I actively disliked Mephistopheles at first but he also grew on me by the end. Now I’d say I'm willing to give him a chance and I find him intriguing.

I still don’t feel like I know these characters well enough to write for them though. 😮‍💨 I need more content!

I have some OPINIONS but they’re spoilery so I’m gonna put them under the cut in case anybody wants to read them.

WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON WITH SIMEON I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.

I mean, I already knew that he was human now so it’s not like I was surprised or anything. Even if I hadn’t encountered this truth by spending too much time in the fandom, it’s pretty easy to guess.

But I’m annoyed because it MAKES NO SENSE.

I really enjoyed season three and I loved the angels running the cafe, all of that was great. And I get that this happened because Simeon was already a human by that point, but there could have easily been a different reason for it.

This game isn’t exactly known for being consistent or even making sense most of the time, but this whole Simeon is a human thing feels even more haphazard than the usual stuff.

First, what even is the angel’s blessing? How does not having access to it make Simeon straight up human instead of just an angel without powers? Is he mortal now? Is he gonna start aging like a human would?

Second, Simeon saved MC and/or Lucifer’s life (depending on your choice iirc) by taking the Ring of Light. MC’s powers were so great that it was causing actual harm in the world that would only get worse. The Ring of Light fixed that without anyone having to die. Isn’t that more important than the fact that Simeon took it without permission? Is the Celestial Realm so weird about rules that they can’t see past them when it’s necessary?

I’m not exactly fond of the Celestial Realm in general. I know the brothers always seem to be like we miss it and oh yes what a lovely place and blah blah, but it sounds bonkers. They're stuck up, overly strict, and too fond of punishments that don’t fit the crime. I much prefer the Devildom where that sort of thing only really manifests as a leftover in Lucifer, at least in my opinion. (I mean, the punishment for skipping class at RAD is detention and while writing lines is pretty old school, Simeon's line was "I may smile all the time, but I'm scary when I'm angry! ♡" So you know.)

Third, Lucifer said that Simeon couldn’t go back to the Celestial Realm now. So does this mean they not only took away the angel’s blessing, but also straight up kicked him out? Or is it more like you just physically can’t get there without the blessing?

Fourth, Lucifer also suggests that Raphael is there to watch over Simeon. I find the motivations here questionable. If Raphael volunteered to be an exchange student for the express purpose of looking out for Simeon, that would make sense. Raphael seems to be genuinely fond of Simeon. So if the motivation was his own and he just wants to look out for his friend, that checks out. And it makes me like him more. But if it was more like the Celestial Realm (Michael??) being like, hey Raphael can you go watch that guy for us? Then I find it concerning.

I thought all of this might make some sense if Simeon is meant to fall completely at some point and become a demon, but no. That still makes no sense. Lucifer and his brothers fell after a major war, it wasn't like they gradually started going down or anything. And there is no mention of any other angels falling and becoming demons, so I don't know if it's even happened again.

I just don’t get where they’re going with this. Is MC supposed to help Simeon get his power back somehow? Because while I would like that to happen, it’s annoying that it had to happen in the first place. Especially since Simeon DID THE RIGHT THING.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS UP WITH THE REAPERS.

Thirteen is obviously still living in her cave, which is fine and all, but is she like one of many? It sounds like she is. And apparently they don't belong to any one realm, so are there reapers living in all the three worlds? Do they have some kind of leader? How many candles do each of them keep in their own caves? Like there are a lot of humans so there must be a pretty decent amount of reapers needed to keep track of all the deaths and what not. The existence of the brothers' candles also implies that they can in fact die, especially since that was the whole reason for going to the cave to begin with. But I'm confused about how that even happens. Like do demons just live a really really long time, but then at some point they age rapidly and fade away? Or is it more like at some point they just meet with a terrible accident or something?

I think the big issue for me personally with all of this is that I want EXPLANATIONS but this is not really an explanation sort of game. The focus really is on MC's relationships with the brothers and others, not really about how the Devildom/Celestial Realm/magic works.

But because I have so many questions, I have a tendency to want to fill in the missing information for myself. I could absolutely answer all these questions in fic form in a way that makes sense to me personally, you know? Do I have the time to do that, no not really, but do I very much want to? YES.

We'll see, maybe I'll do some more long form stories exploring some of this stuff. But I'll probably wait until after Nightbringer because with any luck they'll give us some answers! At the very least, they seem to be about to give us some Barbatos and Solomon backstory which is another thing that I HAVE MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT.

And don't even get me started on the whole student council joining nonsense, what even was all that about? A dark crevasse, really?

All I really want is for Barbatos to say he loves MC in the main story. Is that too much to ask?! You can leave all my other stuff unanswered if I can just have that. (Though it'd be really funny if that actually has happened and I just forgot about it. I wouldn't be surprised haha. But I can't remember him ever saying that or anything close to it in the main story.)

I just love him so much and I really thought he was going to say something about his feelings at the end, especially when you choose to say I love you to him, but he didn't. Even if you choose the other option, he doesn't. I want to both shake him and smother him with kisses.

Okay, okay, rant over. Clearly the brain rot is all consuming. I didn't even realize I had quite this much to say and I could keep going. Now I'm also greatly concerned for my own sanity.

But it's okay, it's about to get worse because I'm ready for Nightbringer! I can't believe it's coming out so soon! But there's no doubt in my mind that it's going to increase my obsession.

If you read this whole post, you are truly a lovely person and I appreciate you. Also if there are inaccuracies in what I've said because I forgot something or misinterpreted something, please let me know!

#obey me #obey me shall we date #obey me thoughts #obey me season 4 #obey me thirteen #obey me mephistopheles #obey me raphael #obey me simeon #obey me barbatos #obey me analysis #sort of #more like rant oopsie #thank you for your time #misc rambles #misc also rants #misc talks about characters

[lemonandlime22]

me tying to avoid lesson 76 and 77 spoilers because I'm to lazy to play them

#i am doing my best #obey me #obey me spoilers #obey me lesson #obey me lesson 76 #obey me lesson 77 #obey me season 4 #obey me crack #lol #obey me memes

[journey-to-the-attic]

s4 (jtta-ified)

i received an ask about how i might redo s4 in the lieu of how i redid s1 for jtta, but then i ended up losing the ask (i got duplicates of it for some reason and accidentally deleted the original ask as well), so i’m putting my response here in its own post--

if i was going to write a full-length sequel to jtta, this’d probably be its plot - though there'd be a bunch of like bonus one shots to fill the space between too. since i’ve already had these notes accumulating for a while, i’ve got enough detail here that i could reasonably turn it into an actual fic? essentially i’m saying that it’s no longer a impossibility, so i guess you could ignore this if you wanted to go into a potential sequel blind - but it’s also not definitely going to happen, so keep that in mind

unlike jtta, which still followed all of the plot beats of s1, i'm basically reinventing the new s4 characters and forming my own narrative around them entirely, so this is mainly free of s4 spoilers i think?? i still haven’t actually caught up, so if any of this is massively contradicting to canon... well, what else is new haha

!!long post ahead!!

s4 brings up the issue of demons in the devildom not agreeing with diavolo's policy and disliking the exchange program, but this comes out of nowhere and isn't brought up at all in previous seasons (as far as i remember)

not to mention it wouldn't fit in with what the r.a.d. is like in jtta

so instead:

the r.a.d. is populated by demons from the main devildom city, the residents of which are what you'd call modern/progressive demons. they're not necessarily young, they're just open-minded as a result of living close to the centre of the devildom's cultural development (which, before diavolo being placed in charge, was extremely slow, but has been accelerating since he became acting ruler)

to these folk, they consider the old king's rule obsolete, and diavolo is their king as far as they're concerned

so students at the r.a.d. are largely supportive of diavolo and his plan to unite the three realms (though they don't all necessary think it'll work), and most are at least neutral if not positive on the exchange program

however, the main city and the r.a.d.'s students only make up about 35% of the devildom's population, the rest of which is largely spread out in more rural settings

this larger chunk of the demon population still thinks of diavolo's dad as their true king, and is the one that disapproves of diavolo's uniting-the-three-worlds plan - you could consider them the devildom's version of old-fashioned conservative folk

once diavolo is made aware of this, he immediately begins plans to help change their minds

this is all very simplified, but basically he invites solomon, luke, simeon and ik back for another exchange year (they accept), and also extends an open invitation to the r.a.d. to all of that old-fashioned population

this is how om mephistopheles comes into the plot - here, he's part of this old-fashioned population, didn't previously attend the r.a.d., and only starts when he accepts diavolo's invitation. he's also the only one that does so

(he's considered a noble because, in the devildom, being noble just means that you're above a certain age and were associated with the old king's court, not including those who were just employed there)

(mephistopheles only came into the picture fairly late into the old king's rule, so didn't know him well, and subsequently is a little more open-minded than the demons he lives around - but not by a lot)

raphael comes in because he ends up joining simeon and luke, ostensibly just because he was curious about the devildom, but in actuality it was because the high council wanted him to keep an eye on things

especially on simeon, who's been very out-spoken about the celestial realm's issues ever since he returned from the first exchange program, as well as ik, who's been mentioned by simeon and luke a lot

and thirteen reaches out to diavolo after hearing through the grapevine about the exchange program starting again - because she's curious about the human who died and came back to life, being a reaper who deals in life and death

so that's the set up!

the main plot is that diavolo is working to garner more acceptance from that rural devildom population with the exchange students as spokespeople - mostly the original four, but he does get raphael and thirteen involved too

there's one sub-plot for each new character, which each also has some of the side characters involved, since they don't get as much spotlight in jtta

also, my version of simeon's s4 subplot would basically just be this: he's even more disillusioned with the celestial realm now than he was after the war, he's attempting to make changes to make it less of the not-great-place that it is, and the high council doesn't like that

it's not quite as serious as in the original (i'm pretty sure it involves the ring of light from s2, which isn't a factor in our version, since s2's events didn't happen), but it's still a running plot thread

the brothers are still present throughout all of this, but act more as helpers and advice-givers - since their primary arcs were all in jtta, their arcs in this plot are most background running ones

the subplots intersect with each other and the main plot, and they come in chunks for all three parties, but for efficiency's sake we'll just summarise each character's plot line separately

mephistopheles' subplot:

starts first: he arrives at the r.a.d. and has extreme culture shock because of how used to his traditionalist home environment he is

he still admires diavolo, but more subtly and also more subconsciously than in canon

behaves quite standoffishly with students who try to befriend him, doesn't make a lot of friends right off the bat, kind of hates his experience for the first few weeks

the first demon he befriends is actually wiz - who kind of speaks his whole high-class language and so is able to communicate with him, and so he joins the newspaper club

right off the bat: he and jtta mephisto do not like each other

they have completely contradictory personalities and principles, and mephistopheles wants to be a serious club while mephisto's all about the wacky joke papers

and of course they also don't like that they share a name

(normally this isn't possible, but with mephisto's backstory, the rule of each demon's name having to be unique because of magic stuff doesn’t apply to him)

mephistopheles's arc involves him moving past his ingrained prejudices against change and the other two realms, letting go of the idea of 'more magic power = superior', and beginning to use his noble position among those old fashioned demonfolk as a force for progress

(those folk respect him because he was associated with the old king)

another theme in mephistopheles' arc would be a sort of impostor syndrome - he enjoys the respect he gets from his peers where he's from, which is partly why he acts so haughty, but he also feels deep down that he doesn't deserve it

because 1. he actually believes more in diavolo as a ruler than the old king, and 2. he never actually met the old king in person

mephistopheles also slowly recognises that being a passive listener in the very archaic and often harmful views of the demons around him is pretty bad, even if he doesn't usually actively engage in it

diavolo gets involved in this arc - and, whether or not this ends up in romantic territory, so does our mephisto

they're both linked to the time before diavolo taking the throne, but mephisto's moved forward and is doing his own loony thing, while mephistopheles is still partially stuck in the past and on traditional values

because he's older, mephisto is also a representation of the fact that mephistopheles shouldn't go along with the prejudice just because he was 'bOrN In a DIffEreNt tImE', because mephisto was around for arguably even worse times, and has turned out fine by now anyway

and it's always better late than never to become a better person

so over time mephisto essentially grabs mephistopheles by the hair and YANKS him out of that comfortable, prejudice-complicit shell

(which would eventually end in either them just being friendly rivals, or mephistopheles gaining a massive crush and then them becoming tentative boyfriends)

anyway mephisto is what gets mephistopheles out of that shell, but ik and diavolo help him actually recognise, adjust, and settle into life outside it

diavolo because he's the guy mephistopheles looks up to, so he begins following his example of always being eager to learn about new cultures, putting kindness first, etc

ik because she's part of the group that mephistopheles' old-fashioned peers dislikes, and is a shining example of the fact that humans are actually pretty great and there is literally no reason for the grudge being held against her race

as a combination they help convince mephistopheles that change is possible and also desirable

(ik also serves as a link for mephistopheles to get to know the other exchange students, so overall he gets to make more friends that see him as equals, rather than just having acquaintances who only respect him because of his very loose connection to some old dude)

thirteen's subplot (though i talk more about lore than plot here haha)

technically starts around the same time as mephistopheles' subplot, but doesn't really begin in earnest until later

we’re not told a lot about what reapers are, or much about thirteen, so i’ll be making stuff up again as per usual

reapers as a species are descended from demons, but have evolved to be distinct from demonkind because 1. they lack the ability to make pacts, 2. they don’t have a demon form, and 3. they cannot create offspring using the dark matter in the third layer

reapers are created with a similar process, though - just with vivus wax rather than dark matter

vivus wax is also what their candles are made of; additionally, rather than being something used to control death, the reapers’ candles are used to observe the processes of life and death instead, and any conscious being can have a candle

one being can also have multiple candles, if multiple reapers are interested in observing them, and you aren’t going to die if a candle of yours is put out while you’re still alive

reapers can tell the difference between a candle that’s gone out because its being has died and a candle that’s been blown out because its reaper got bored of it; in the former case, they’ll often save the wax to study

what exactly the burning and the wax tells the reapers is unbeknownst to anyone but them, as they’re quite secretive about their practices (all that’s known is that it doesn’t give them information on you as a person, but rather something less tangible about the way life persists and then disappears)

not all reapers will have candles to observe, but most do, since as a species they’re inherently given to studying death (though no one knows why)

some reapers (known as underground reapers) live in cave systems around the edges of the sixth layer of hell - the one where the underground tomb is located - and are responsible for managing any punished souls imprisoned there

some reapers also live among the demons in the devildom, and they’re generally considered underground reapers as well

some reapers (known as earthly reapers) live in the human world, similar to sorcerers and witches; some will be integrated into human society (like grisella), whereas others prefer to live remotely and observe from afar (like solomon)

demons and reapers are traditionally rivals, as are witches and sorcerers (witches are traditionally allied with reapers, and sorcerers with demons)

so you’ve got an already instinctive/pre-established rivalry between thirteen and all the demons, and also a sort-of one with solomon based on both their past and the fact that they’re associated with different ‘sides’

thirteen is considered an underground reaper at the time of joining the exchange program, but that’s actually quite a recent development; up until about five years ago, she was an earthly reaper, and was one of the sort that mingled with humans and lived among them

so she and solomon serve as sort of foils to one another; thirteen, despite being a reaper, is actually more well-acquainted with modern humanity than solomon, the actual human

in the beginning, thirteen’s having a sort of conflict of identity, which is the reason she went from being an earthly reaper to an underground reaper in the first place; essentially she began to become fully aware of death’s effects on humans, how destructively some would grieve, and of just how much death creatures will inflict on each other, sometimes for no reason

as a reaper whose very existence is essentially rooted in death, it made her question her own origins, and whether there was something inherently wrongful about her species’ most basic interest for humans to fear it so much

so she joins the exchange program out of interest in asking ik about her own experience with death, having heard about an odd phenomenon from a few reapers who had a candle for her where they remembered watching the flame go out, but saw that it was still burning whenever they went back to check it

thirteen’s arc involves two things: primarily it’s developing and resolving that identity conflict, and she also plays a role in some secondary ripples involving ik

(essentially something happens that makes ik relapse a little, making it apparent that she’s still not really recovered from her own death and the existential aspects of her revival; thirteen would be the best equipped character to help her with this - along with someone else, but that’s spoilers for some future jtta stuff)

another less focal part of her arc is based on that whole traditional witches + reapers vs sorcerers + demons rivalry, relating to mephistopheles’ arc and the idea that what is old isn’t necessarily right, and that you’re supposed to judge based on the individual and not the population

there’s also some stuff based on the idea that a lot of reapers find it difficult to actually consider individuals as living beings with active existences - as in, being used to studying them based on candles that don’t tell them anything about them as people, they forget that said people exist uniquely

raphael's subplot:

probably the most underutilised so far in canon, not because he doesn't get screentime, but because he's set up with so much potential for conflict that isn't really used - i.e. him being a hitman for the celestial realm

so it's established very early on that raphael might be a danger to ik, because simeon’s aware of why he’s joined the exchange program alongside him and luke

he pulls ik aside pretty much immediately after she and raphael are introduced, and warns her to keep her guard up

his own subplot is integrated into raphael's in this case, and since it's less monumental than it (presumably) is in canon, he's not hiding it as much

it's fairly clear to anyone who pays attention that there's tension between simeon and the authorities of the celestial realm, there just isn't a lot of explicit conversation about it

so raphael's plot line is more passive for the first half of the main plot: it's mostly just a drip-feed of him being distant from everyone that isn't luke or simeon (and even then he's still kind of distant from them), plus hints that he's possibly up to no good

but, over the course of this, raphael is also slowly being dragged into befriending more folks because he has ik as a mutual friend

past the halfway point there comes more significant moments of reflection from raphael, as he begins to look past his orders from the high council and starts just living a comfy and friendly life in the devildom

eventually he talks to simeon and tells him the full extent of his orders from the high council of the celestial realm

basically it's this: keep an eye on simeon, keep an eye on who's influencing him, keep an eye on who he's influencing, and do as you see fit to if you detect a major threat. if simeon goes too far, bring him back alive.

and raphael's kind of like "i don't think anyone's a major threat, so i'm not going to do anything, but technically i'm still following my orders, right?"

and simeon basically replies "attaboy raphael, i knew you had it in you to question our home realm's questionable authorities"

the main big conflict of this whole story would be related to raphael’s arc in particular (whereas thirteen and mephistopheles’ arcs just equip them to help out)

whether or not it actually happens, the conflict would involve the possibility of some kind of celestial civil war, which gives us a whole bunch of good character fodder for both the angels and the brothers (given their own experiences with the original war)

i won’t go into too much detail on it, though - since 1. i haven’t actually fully fleshed it out yet, and 2. if i do write out this fic, i’d want this conflict in particular to not be spoiled

raphael’s arc would also involve some looks into the whole angels = good and demons = bad thing; he starts out believing that demons are inherently evil, but also doesn’t extend this view to the brothers, since he still largely sees them as the angels he knew

ik (plus luke and simeon) get him to confront this hypocrisy, and this relates back to the whole judge by individuals not species thing again

there’d also be some looks into where the angels = good and demons = bad thing came from in the first place

some other miscellaneous stuff:

the side characters (royals + purgatrio) would be having ongoing arcs based on their development from jtta, since unlike the brothers their arcs aren’t concrete enough to have a final resolution by the end of the first year, and their arcs are what tie them into the new trio’s subplots

the arc themes would be: diavolo + change, barbatos + duty in relation to his powers and what he can and can’t do, solomon + his identity as a human, luke + deciding what’s right and wrong in comparison to what he’s grown up learning, and simeon + the past and confronting the flaws of the angelic hierarchy he’s been complicit in

i’d want to have ik’s dad take a more active role in the story this time, since ik needs to have her own overall arc throughout the fic as the main character, and reconciling her properly with her dad seems to be the natural next step after her arc in jtta

of course they’ve taken steps since ik returned from the first exchange year, but the fact that ik agreed to be away for another whole year in the first place is telling as to the fact that her relationship with her dad is still at least a little distant

i don’t think zhao would come to the devildom as well, but he’d definitely be in regular contact and/or visit

there’d be an arc involving a visit to the human world where thirteen gets to meet ik’s aunt lisa, and then i get to bring back adam and jack from the satan arc for a cameo (possibly also ethan, sophia and noah?)

the brothers aren’t delegated to being background characters or anything - they also get involved in the subplots, plus have sorta group secondary arcs of their own

like i’ve mentioned before, it’s not a bad thing inherently to bring back satan and lucifer’s conflict, since it’s definitely not completely solved by their initial arc - it’s just that they kind of rehash it rather than really develop it more each time they do

so if there was a secondary arc involving it, it wouldn’t be the focal point - rather, i think it’d intersect with ik and her dad reconciling as well as some more general development for lucifer regarding his treatment of his brothers

we’d get to see more actual belpheroth developments on-screen (so to speak), since roth would be involved in belphie’s secondary arc relating from everything with him in jtta

building on that, we’d have him involved in an arc with zhao, since ik doesn’t tell him what belphie did to her, and then this arc would also involve barbatos, diavolo and thirteen

as for all the events that lead to the developments and arcs i’ve mentioned - they’d probably mostly be original, but i might borrow some plot points from s2-4, or maybe even a few pop quizzes??

#if i did write this sequel fic it wouldn't be for a while even after jtta ends #probably wouldn't really have a consistent update schedule either #obey me season 4 #do i want to tag the whole cast?? nah some of them aren't really mentioned i'll just tag the ones that are #obey me thirteen #obey me raphael #obey me mephistopheles #obey me diavolo #obey me barbatos #obey me simeon #obey me solomon #obey me luke #jtta mephisto #jtta ik #sorry if there are a bunch of typos here i wrote most of these notes very late at night #and i didn't bother editing them before pasting them here and posting #obey me #journey to the attic

[still-a-morosexual-help]

So I was told that Barbatos falling for MC in S4 was rushed, didn't make sense etc etc and I was 100% ready to agree because he barely seemed to like them in S3 and 3/4ths of S4 and I was completely sure nothing could suddenly change that

But like....

Okay look assuming he was always intrigued by MC and I mean who wouldn't be? They managed to make pacts with all 7 sins within a year, they're a human determined to live permanently with demons, they're literally a ticking time bomb, they became solomon's apprentice even after he ended things badly with his previous apprentice, they managed to make solomon change his views on demons - and that's not even the whole of it so yes they're very intriguing and I'm sure even Barbatos who wasn't into them was at least intrigued, interested, drawn in by at least curiosity

Anyway imagine being Barbatos at the moment he fell for them

Imagine being half delirious, weaker than he's ever been, barely standing on his feet, 100% sure he's going to die via magical blackhole and terrified of abandoning Diavolo, and he gets saved by MC, not even by their magic but by pure brute strength, they wrap their arms around him and clutch him to their chest and protect him from the whipping wind, they save him and protect him and he's never needed to be saved or protected before, he's never needed to depend on someone before, and for someone who works as much as Barbatos, who's in this position because he saved three of the brothers and took on too much, to be able to let go of all that responsibility for even a second, to be able to sag into someone else and know that they'll take care of everything must be blissful, and then hair whipping around them MC tells him to snap out of it because Diavolo needs them so he definitely can't lay down and die now and honestly when was the last time anyone ever snapped at him? Of course he falls a little bit in love with them? How could he not?

Personally, I'd have dropped on to one knee right then and there in front of them

#given that barb seems to have a bigger role in nightbringer figured i should pull this outta my notes & finally post it #obey me season 4 #obey me #obey me shall we date #obey me! #shall we date? obey me! #swd obey me #swd obey me! #shall we date obey me #obey me barbatos #om barbatos #obey me! barbatos #om! barbatos #swd barbatos #shall we date barbatos #obey me mc #om mc #om! mc #obey me! mc #swd mc #shall we date mc #obey me main character #barbatos x mc #mc x barbatos #obey me spoilers

[littleliar21]

I need someone to spoil the ENTIRETY of the first game to me. I'm only on lession 37 and do NOT have the patience or the money to play through the whole thing before I play Nightbringer. Also the actual game so boring but my cards aren't powerful enough to just skip through. Help 😫

#obey me #obey me spoilers #obey me nightbringer #obey me season 1 #obey me season 2 #obey me season 3 #obey me season 4

[pink-spikes]

RANT!

I finally finished season 4, and not saying it’s the worse, but it’s pretty bad compared to the other seasons.

The whole season had screentime divided weirdly. Some things should of ended earlier and some things should of lasted longer. The new side characters didn’t get much time to shine (to be fair the purgatory hall characters didn’t do much in season 1).

My biggest problem is how they handled Simeon. It was disappointing to see this outcome since this has been hinted for a very long time and was very well placed in the writing to set it up. Why was his journey about self-discovery when THE IMPLICATIONS OF HIM BEING A HUMAN IS MUCH WORSE. So I am a bit biased on the writing, I was hoping it would be a point for his character arc where he has to realize that he can’t keep hoping things could go back to the way they were in the past. He would have to confront he doesn’t have any power anymore, that he wouldn’t be able to be there as much for luke anymore, and he is seen the lowest compared to other angels. He would have to realize things could never be the same in the celestial realm like he wished it would. It could of gave us more information about his character and how he handled it, but no.

Pushing my biases aside, the writers still handled what they wanted to say horribly. If they were going for “Simeon should be allowed to speak when he personally wants to and we should give him time instead of forcing him to do what he isn’t comfortable with” WHY DID THEY HAVE HIM REVEAL IT IN THE MOST OOC WAY POSSIBLE? They didn’t need to make a second black hole to get rid of the box. The story never explains why the box couldn’t be destroyed any other way. WhY would he reveal he didn’t have powers and couldn’t save Mammon, Asmo, and Levi when Rapheal was RIGHT THERE. Simeon has been pushing aside not telling people until it’s peaceful enough to do so SO WHY WOULD YOU SAY YOU ARE NOT AN ANGEL WHEN THEY ARE ABOUT TO GET SPEGITIFIED? RAPHEAL COULD OF USED HIS BLESSING. SIMEONS CHARCTER WAS ESTABLISHED TO BE RESERVED AND PATIENT! Not only that, the blessings have never been needed in the story until now. Even then in the castle he explained it and everyone was like, okay then. Luke cries because of the news he was never told, and he doesn’t even comfort him? The implications of him being human, thus only living for a shorter amount of time compared to him is fucking deviating and it’s all shoved under the rug.

If Luke’s character was an adult, his arc for this season would make sense, BUT HES A CHILD. He shouldn’t have to push aside his feelings and bottle them up because he has no idea what’s wrong with his parent. If your guardian who is always there to protect you is seemingly a in danger and no one talks to you about what’s going on OF COURSE HES GOING TO BE WORRIED HE RELIES ON HIM. The story shouldn’t make him see like the bad guy for wanting to know what’s going on. If he was an adult this would be different. They writers had so much potential to strengthen the connections between Luke and Simeon it hurts in my soul they didn’t. They didn’t even have to paint either of them as “bad” for them to work out their situation. If the writers actually let them communicate their problems to each other and at least say SOMETHING, this whole ordeal wouldn’t be as bad. Instead of the whole time trying to force SIMEON TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING HE CLEARLY DOESNT WANT TO TALK ABOUT, WE COULD OF JUST HAD LUKE TALK ABOUT WHY HE FEELS THE WAY HE FEELS AND HAVE SIMEON DO THR SAME. The brothers wouldn’t be trying so hard to get Simeon to talk without directly speaking to him if Luke wasn’t at their house. If the writers actually has Solomon tell Simeon that Luke ran away for a week instead of having a long sleepover they could of COMMUNICATED THEIR PROBLEMS.

Simeon didn’t even need to tell Luke what was going on, they could of talked and said “I don’t want you to know because I don’t want you to be more hurt over what’s going on and be worried about it because the grown ups can handle it. Im just trying to protect you” and Luke could of been like “ I understand why you are avoiding it now, and you don’t want to explain to me yet how things are. Im glad you at least told me something, because I’m getting over worried over you and I just don’t want you to be hurt” and they couldn’t grown as a family and learned to respect each other more.

not only that, it was never said in the story or even in this season that he was having doubts how people would see him as human and not as angel. It was never said that people give a shit about him being angel or not. The brothers never even asked more than once what’s going on? Or even tell him why luke was over there? Simeon is never given the opportunity to actually tell them “hey I’m not comfortable talking about that” instead the brothers jump into conclusions.

it never was explained how things are going to really change up in the celestial realm now that he’s human. For how much time they spent doing random shenanigans, they could of spent it added to lore. It could of have us information about the celestial realm, how powers work, how reapers work, or even just tell us more about Mephisto and the newspaper club.

It didn’t even explain why Micheal would do that if he knew the whole world was gonna be destroyed if he didn’t. It didn’t even explain “why things have to be this way”. The writers even made it a point to say that Rapheal wasn’t there to monitor him but protect him, meaning they don’t want to write anything to make the CR seem bad while also causing this conflict. I think they didn’t want to make it so when the plot has to try to unite the CR it wouldn’t be as hard. MICHELAN WASNT EVEN USING THE RING AND JUST HAD IT TUCKED AWAY! If he has to carry out certain orders when things happen, even if it should of been pushed aside, THEY SHOULD EXPLAIN THAT TO US! EXPLAIN TO US WHY HE DID THAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW MICHEAL LOOKS MORE LIKE AN ASSHOLE THAN HE DID BEFORE.if they don’t want the CR to look bad and make progress while also doing these things to Simeon, just explain more that just “he stole a ring so I made it so he isn’t a fucking angel anymore but still has to serve me” He is already one of the lowest ranked angels and is implied he is treated awfully because of his rank, so doesn’t this make it worse. JUST EXPLAIN IT TO US IF YOU DON’TWANT TO DIG DEEPER IN A WHOLE YOU ALREADY STARTED DIFFING FOR YOURSELVES

not even that, too much time is spent on stupid stuff that couldn’t even be predicted. Like how the hell was the player going to guess the fricken time they needed to find was in the mailbox? How were they supposed to know the box was in the computer without the flashbacks of things the player never seen before?

The wrap up of the season was the worst out of all of them:

1. There is no option to properly say goodbye to each one of them (or hug all of them) in the ending

2.it’s never explained why diavolo would have Solomon and mc be the only ones there short term despite the fact MC is a RAD officer now. 3. You had mc come back at the very end leaving no sentiment of them leaving in the first place.

4. it wasted the time resetting character development and established things about characters and just to add the worst climax in the series. (Season 16 was really bad, but damn at least they had a very good climax to the whole situation)

im really scared for Nightbringer and the seasons going forward because the characters have been degrading over time. espically the side characters for the sake of romance instead of character development or them being more fleshed out. They are slowly becoming more one-dimensional.

Simeon is my favorite character and I love being able to romance him, but there is nothing to romance if his character is all about MC instead of him existing in the world and also appriecating MC. This goes for all the side characters.

the potential of the whole thing is just what throws my body into every nearby surface and shatters my heart. There could of been so much more to everything, and there wasn’t. Everytime they did something they added more opportunities to make it better and they just made it worse.

my ranking of all the seasons going worst to best

4, 1, 2, 3

season 2 and 3 Simeon was peak, I hope the writers reflect on their fuck ups before I disintegrate into next year. How many times are they going to retcon characters? How many times are they going to set up a climax and not actually write for a good decline for it? How many times are they going to make characters go to extremes just to add a moment in the story? How many times are they going to set aside any character moments to show more of them and just give them romance scenes instead? How many more times are they going to waste?

do I love obey me with burning passion? Yes. Do I wish it could of been so much better? Also yes.

(don’t worry, In the future I will make more appriecieation posts, I just feel like a little hater right now because of this)

#obey me #obey me nightbringer #obey me season 4 #obey me lesson 80

[devildomwriter]

Barbatos’s Time Interference Explanation

*spoilers for season one and season four*

In the first season there was a lot of debate on whether the brothers now are the ones form the same timeline and the short answer is yes and in season four we get more proof of that.

Barbatos uses his time-based abilities to MERGE realities not just to pick a single one.

Season Four Revival Explained

In the dark crevasse, Leviathan, Asmodeus, and Mammon were erased from existence so to save them Barbatos did either one of two things

1. Reversed time just of their bodies action in the one timeline therefore bringing the dna back into existence

2. Merged extremely similar realities to the point memories are identical and not overlapping but in one of these realities the bodies weren’t destroyed by the dark crevasse

Season One Revival and Time-Line Explained

In season one saving MC was a little different but along the same lines

• Barbatos chose the body in two different time lines that did not have injuries to be the one Mc’s memories of both time lines were planted in

• These realities and memories were merged because of they weren’t merged MC couldn’t have remember the other reality since it would not exist as part of the sole reality. The brothers also recall things that happen after Belphegor was released in the original time line. More proof the time lines/realities merged is that Belphegor did not have consequences because Mc discovered how he was released in exchange for his freedom as Diavolo had promised before they went back in time

• Barbatos also clearly states himself history wasn’t warped therefor no one was “left behind” they were just merged into one set time line and one set of bodies with both sets of memories potentially they are the only ones who merged with another time line and no one else’s has changed

In summary

Time magic is weird and hard to explain but even in different bodies and realities the boys and MC are always themselves in mind and spirit. No one forgets things or is left behind, even when sucked into a existence-erasing dark crevasse

AKA Barbatos is the sole reason MC, Mammon, Asmodeus, and Leviathan are alive right now

#obey me shall we date #obey me season one #obey me season 4 #obey me season 1 #obey me barbatos #obey me explanation #obey me time line #obey me leviathan #obey me mammon #obey me mc #obey me asmodeus #obey me chapter 78

[mushroomtower]

obey me season 4 spoilers

honestly IMO this season sucked (negative/ranty post warning)

The game jokes about Diavolo sneaking away from Barbatos to visit the human realm, but MC has to jump through 4 years worth of hoops and red tape just to visit their demon family sometimes?

Like, there's 0 reason MC should have to do all these trials just to travel freely when the demons (and angels!) in the game are more than happy to break human laws and forge fake identities to be in the human realm whenever they want

The demon realm isn't ready for us to marry or whatever, so we gotta 'prove ourselves' to the demon elite or some BS, but when the human realm isn't ready for demons..... those demons can just laugh and sneak in anyways?

Like, that's pretty damn insulting to the lil human MC they're all supposedly trying to woo. "Our laws matter, but yours don't! Teehee!"

Like yeah, great way to forge a peaceful alliance with a realm: cross their boundaries/break their laws as much as you like while treating your own laws as supremely important.

I really wish MC had an option to call them out on it. 4 years into an ""alliance"" and they're still treating the humans/human realm as a joke while enforcing their own laws and whims harshly.

Like, season 1 ended by implying that MC could visit whenever, with Diavolo himself saying that "the Devildom is always here for you".

And then, when the brothers visit MC in the human realm, Mammon tells them to "hurry and learn summoning magic already", implying that MC can indeed just summon them if they want--no red tape needed.

AND THEN, Solomon just pops into a council meeting with MC in tow, completely unannounced, without permission, and Diavolo just laughs it off. Why wouldn't he? As we've established, Diavolo can, and does, sneak up to the human realm whenever he feels like it.

... but then, even with all that, MC still has to do a bunch of trials and get permission to visit Devildom sometimes? Bullshit.

There's literally no reason for it EXCEPT for the devs trying to stretch the game out as much as possible. It's either that, or there's a huge superiority complex still going on--where they think the big powerful demons can do as they please while the wee humans just have to deal with the rules.

In my mind, season 1 ended with us able to travel freely, and every excuse they've made in the following seasons is just that: an excuse to draw the game out longer.

#obey me #shall we date obey me #omswd #obey me season 4 #obey me spoilers #negative #obey me negative #negativity #critical

[emmys-grimoire]

Lesson 76 Summary & Analysis

Simeon finally tells us what’s up.

Story

We’re in applied magical potions class, and Leviathan notes Lucifer’s unusual tardiness. Belphegor reveals he went to assist Solomon with transporting materials. Mammon complains about the group project they’re assigned to do. They rib Mammon about having once been turned into a dog.

Raphael tells them to be quiet. Luke mentions Raphael has a lot of experience mixing potions, but Raphael corrects him (he doesn’t) and says it’s easy as long as you just follow the instructions. Luke compliments him anyway (such a good boy).

Thirteen then complains about Luke being so easily impressed. She thinks potions is easy, too, and she’s interested in what kind of traps she can make with them. Mephisto reminds her she needs to follow the directions if she wants to get a good grade. 

Thirteen is surprised at this because Solomon is allowed to make all the concoctions he wants regardless of whether or not they’re in the textbook, and it’s revealed he’s the exception and Diavolo granted him permission to experiment due to his skill. The Devildom is given the patent to any new potion he makes. 

Thirteen complains about how it’s so unfair. Asmo says Solomon doesn’t care about intellectual property rights: he just likes doing it. Thirteen vows not to be outdone by him, so naturally she’s not going to do what she’s told. Mephisto tries to remind her again. Good luck buddy.

Leviathan calls us over and we begin to plot with the brothers and Luke.

We get a flashback to when we actually discussed the plan: Satan wants to make a magical potion with the first addition of the book he found. Apparently the Devildom destroyed all the first editions of the book because of how dangerous they were, but he’s got his hands on one… he doesn’t elaborate on how.

The potion Satan wants to concoct is Verbum drops, a potion that can force someone to reveal secret information. So it’s almost like the fire cracker trick but it actually works. Supposedly. Luke is uneasy about it, and you get the option to also be uneasy about it. Satan spins it by hyping up its other uses (Leviathan calls him out on being more interested in using it on Lucifer), and how they’re doing it will be for Simeon’s sake because if they know what’s up they could help him. Luke agrees to the plan.

Back in class, Raphael has failed in his potion making. It’s a potion meant to seduce someone.

Thirteen notes it looks fine, but Raphael demonstrates by tricking Mammon into consuming the potion by telling him it makes money rain from the sky. It instead makes Mammon charitable.

Apparently Raphael’s angel-ness has influenced the potion and it’s now a potion that purifies the heart instead… not unlike what the bangles did to the brothers during the Angelic Demons event.

Mephisto asks Thirteen about her potion.

Naturally, she’s done her own thing and everything went wrong.

Satan is glad no one else has noticed us huddled together and plotting on the other side of the room. Luke reads off the ingredients for our potion, but they sound hard to acquire. Satan prepared ahead of time and got all the ingredients off screen. Beelzebub naturally wants to eat said ingredients.

Satan then notes the fine print. It seems he’s forgotten one key ingredient: Simeon’s tears. The amounts they need to measure are also quite unusual and tedious. Satan continues to mix the potion, and tells the others to find a way to make Simeon cry. You get a choice on who to ask to help. I chose Luke.

He tries to get Simeon to watch a sad movie in the middle of class. Asmo accuses us of interfering with their group. Belphie snores. 

Simeon says watching Belphie is making him sleepy, too, and Luke inquires about his sleep. He lets out a big yawn and apparently… that’s what makes him cry? Idk. He’s just as confused as we are.

We get back to Satan and proceed with the potion. Beel gets confused about which ingredients go in and how much. 

Spoiler: it will not be okay.

They mix the potion with the tears and everything goes awry. In a group text, we find out the Fantastic Three are on their way back to the classroom. Barbatos has a “feeling” something bad is about to happen and advises Lucifer to hurry.

The potion has conjured a “dark crevasse” in the classroom, which is apparently is a magical tornado/black hole of death. Sleeping Belphie starts to get dragged into it, but Mammon goes in first while he’s trying to wake him up. 

Leviathan languishes about not having yet watched his newest anime series yet, and latches onto Asmo when the crevasse starts dragging him. They both get swept up. 

You’re given the option to protect Luke or yourself, but Luke informs you that his blessing protects him and you should help Belphegor instead.

Beel comforts Belphie, who continues to just snore. Thirteen complains about the mess. Raphael is worried about what happened to the ones pulled in, but Mephisto is more concerned about the immediate danger. 

It goes after Simeon, who no longer has the same blessing as Luke. You get to protect him. No one seems to notice, but to be fair, it is pretty chaotic.

Satan asks if anyone knows how to extinguish the dark crevasse he’s responsible for, and Mephisto tells him they would have done that already if so. 

Lucifer arrives to save everyone. And berate us.

Well sort of. The whole crew is here now!

Solomon is the least concerned and more interested in how we acquired the ingredients. 

Satan yells at him, and he asks Barbatos to get rid of it. Barbatos sighs in exasperation at the order, claiming that Solomon himself is powerful enough to get rid of the crevasse on his own. He nevertheless gets rid of it.

Everyone is relieved. Thirteen asks what happened to those dragged into the crevasse. Raphael tells her to look up, and they tumble down onto them.

Solomon thanks Barbatos, and claims while he could get rid of the crevasse, he lacks the ability to retrieve things sucked into one. Barbatos asks if he’s being modest, but Solomon says he doesn’t know what he’s talking about (this is probably a lie).

Lucifer asks to know who is responsible so he can string them up. Diavolo urges him to forgive, and Lucifer chastises him for being too soft. Mephisto demands everyone help clean up the place. We learn that apparently the ones who got sucked in actually… died?

Apparently during all this Raphael did notice we went out of our way to protect Simeon, and he thanks us. I’m even more convince he’s there to protect him now. Simeon, overhearing this, ellipses.

In the group chat with Lucifer, Simeon tells him he’s decided to finally tell us what’s happened to him. Lucifer asks if he’s ready for that, and Simeon seems unsure. He tells Lucifer that we’re planning to head out to visit Purgatory Hall, and Lucifer says he’s coming over, too. Simeon insists it’s okay for him to stay put, but Lucifer insists, and he relents.

Simeon invites us into his room. He’s aware of what we came there to talk about and offers to make tea. 

He asks about how Luke is doing, and we can suggest he’s not having a good time. Simeon is sure he must be comfortable there if he hasn’t returned yet, and we apparently don’t think to inform him that no, Luke wasn’t actually invited and he ran away because he’s upset.

We finally talk about what’s happening with him. He still takes his time getting to it, buuut…

Not much of a revelation at this point, but this confirms that Simeon is a full-fledged human now. He’s no longer an angel, but they don’t mention that he’s fallen anywhere. This also implies that he’s confused about why he was punished in this manner, though why he was punished doesn’t seem to be much of a mystery.

No that’s just my default expression lol

Lucifer steps in and offers to explain things further like the Mr. Leader Man he is (Simeon was doing fine lol?)

Yeah I figured. There was nothing in the story that pointed to anything else. You get the choice to blame Lucifer, Simeon, or yourself.

You get a flashback to S2 (now in SEPIA), when we were speaking with that mysterious voice in the light.

Remember: the voice relinquishes the ring to us in spite of it being stolen. It’s ours, bitches.

But this means Simeon is being punished just on principle. It’s bad to steal from Michael/the Celestial Realm, so he has to pay the price... even if it save everyone from a lot of harm in the end.

Is it, though? He should be rich in the human world due to TSL. If anything this should be a boon to his mental health because he no longer has to be Michael’s favorite door dasher. Additionally, we found out in S3 that Simeon is an archangel, which is the CR’s warrior caste. Even without his powers, he should have some martial ability and physical fitness, which still puts him above your ordinary human.

The Devildom is an entirely different matter altogether… which is why it’s kind of silly he’s there? I don’t think the Celestial Realm is ordering him to be there, now. It’s also dubious that they still left him the custodian of Luke, who – as we just saw – can defend himself better than Simeon now. 

But Simeon trusts in The Plan, I guess. This may explain why he stuck around even after the brothers fell.

Lucifer reassures Simeon that they will help him get back to the Celestial Realm, which reaffirms that this is meant to be a temporary change in status. Simeon thanks Lucifer and us. It fades to black.

Analysis

I agree with the general consensus that seems to be forming in the wake of Simeon’s revelation: that they did in it the most deflating, boring way imaginable. This has been a consistent trend in the writing in general and I absolutely hate it, but it’s really coming through this season. There’s no reason why it had to take this long to wring an answer out of Simeon – it’s not like we couldn’t deduce what was happening already. We could have spent this season trying to help him.

That would have been a lot more exciting than the stupid student council. No one cares about it. Not even the writers themselves: they haven’t even assigned positions to the brothers outside of Lucifer and Satan yet lol

He’s been getting a lot of flak again, but I doubt Michael is personally responsible for Simeon’s current predicament like some people seem to believe. I don’t think he has the power to take away Simeon’s powers and turn him into a human. That seems to be a Diavolo-level thing (because he did it with Lilith!), and the only being on that level (or higher) is Father. He might have been responsible for snitching on him (the text between him and Simeon also heavily implies that he’s also upset that Simeon stole from him more than MC having the ring now), but the theft of such a powerful item may also have been difficult to hide.

We do know he’s responsible for Raphael being enrolled in the exchange program, and so far he’s been looking after Simeon like a hawk. Not sure how much Raphael is doing that on his own volition, but it’s noteworthy.

Since we know Luke is upset at being left in the dark and we now know the specifics of Simeon’s situation, MC will henceforth be complicit in keeping secrets from him and the rest of the group. Yaaay. Once Luke figures it out, I hope he’ll be mad at us too, but I know better.

Speaking of Luke: he’s the last chance this season at any real excitement. The revelation that Simeon is being punished by the Celestial Realm for doing something that saved MC and the rest of the three realms will likely force him to question things in a way he simply hasn’t allowed himself to thus far. It’s also worth remembering that, so far, Luke has never mentioned Father. In season 3 it’s apparent he thinks Michael is personally responsible for the brothers’ expulsion, and it confuses him because Michael still clearly cares about the brothers. If Luke doesn’t know Father exists, that’s gonna be one helluva conversation to have when he starts demanding answers.

And if he doesn’t know Father exists, it’s all but certain that everyone around him has been knowingly keeping that fact from him. Michael, Raphael, Simeon... everyone. That could be a big reason why Simeon has been reluctant to tell him, too.

But he’s gonna find out. And it’s going to be much worse than it needed to be.

Predictions

My last post has my predictions for the rest of the season. We may very well go along with the brothers’ next attempt to get Simeon to tell them what is up, full knowing what is up, making ourselves even more unlikeable. I don’t think there’s any point in Simeon keeping all this from them now. But he probably will.

I don’t know what the last trial is going to be and I don’t really care. It’ll probably be just as dumb as the trials leading up to this.

I am looking forward to how Luke reacts to all of this. I think they’ll have to try really hard to mess it up, but they’ve been doing a good job doing that thus far.

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