#never wincest

[smaeemo]

It’s crazy to see how people interpret dean and sam’s brother dynamic as “wincest”

Some people have clearly never trauma bonded with their parentified older sibling. Then you take into account the degree of trauma that they have been through and continue to go through. Their codependency stems from their childhood and current traumas, their mental states due to that, the way they grew up with their father obsessing over the importance of “family is everything,” and the deep parentification of Dean, AKA Dean having to be a CHILD while raising his little brother, and taking care of his insane father. It’s not “wincest”/incestuous in anyway, it’s called trauma, parentification and general unstable family dynamics.

I think that a lot of “wincest” shippers don’t actually see what trauma can do to a person and their dynamics, specifically the people that endured that trauma with you. Dean, who was the older one that had to in HIS WORDS “be the mother, father, and brother” of his younger brother since the age of !4! is obviously going to be extremely protective/codependant of/with Sam, both because of the parentification and the words of his father carved into his very being. As for Sam, having Dean be all those things for him, means that more than anything, Dean is it for him because Dean RAISED HIM. Which is why, for so many reasons, what John said to Dean (killing Sam), was one of the most cruel things he could have done. John if not straight out, on some level knows that Dean and Sam will forever have a different dynamic because Dean raised Sam, ergo, Dean being more of a Parent to Sam than he ever was.

That’s not to say I think Dean was a “perfect parent” to Sam when he was raising him. No one can be “perfect” especially not a teenager raising his baby brother. What it means is that Dean had to sacrifice his childhood and grow up quickly for Sam to be not only Alive, but also so that Sam could -have- a childhood. All of this while Dean was still actively growing up, enduring his father, hunting, and having to come to terms with monsters. But he couldn’t allow himself to mess up, and going back to the idea of “perfect parenting” we see that no, he in fact was never “perfect” specifically when he leaves so that he can play games, and he sees that Sam’s safety is (extremely unfairly) placed on his shoulders. All of this, yet again along side with never having a stable home, having an unreliable source of income, and having to basically learn how to be an adult at 7, was the start of their dynamic.

As for Sam, we see that he got to play on soccer teams, go to school, and exist (while still having to endure all of the nightmares that is his homelife) outside of the hunting. Whereas Dean was the one who gave him this chance. This is not to say that Sam should ever feel guilt over this, or that Dean needed to do this. This is to show just how different their sibling relationship is, due to the trauma.

Dean treats Sam like a brother many times, but underneath it (or on top) you will always see that he is a parent to him more than anything.

“Wincest” is talking about their “strange/codependant relationship” in a romantic or purely sexual manner. This in itself just shows how many people don’t understand what it means to either have a kid or be a parentified older sibling. (I personally am not a parentified older sibling, but my sister who practically raised me is) and because of MY family dynamic I can speak from experience (definitely not to Dean and Sam’s extent) of having a parentified older sibling, and how that differs from regular sibling relationships.

Ok, this was a ramble, but as a whole “wincest” is extremely disturbing to me as a whole. And I don’t know what the rules are on this specific topic, so Idk how much I should say. But I definitely don’t condone inc*st to any degree, but to each their own ig.

Alright, I have SO much more to say on this topic. But I will hold back for now, just because I am sleepy.

XOXO

#supernatural #spn #dean winchester #sam winchester #sam and dean #parentification #parentified child #trauma #growing up too fast #Dean being sams mother father and older brother #sams constant need for autonomy is completely warranted #older sibling #older brother #younger sibling #younger brother #john winchester hate club #never wincest #wincest is disturbing #understanding childhood trauma and how it shows up in real life is an extremely essential part of not only real life but also the fictional #aspect of media #inc*st is never ok yall #stop #pls

[glorious-spoon]

i think the funniest thing to witness as someone who was in supernatural fandom in the early days and hasn't been in many years is the discourse about wincest.

because like. i cannot emphasize enough how wincest in the pre-castiel days was treated as an absolutely bog-standard slash ship.

standard shippy tropes circa 2005-2009, indistinguishable from the way people wrote any other odd-couple ship of the era. the fact that the characters were brothers often didn't come up at all, and if it did it was often just not a big concern. if you weren't into it because of, you know, the incest thing, you were politely considered a little odd, but to each their own. this probably has a lot to do with the fact that until s4 there was literally no one else you could plausibly ship either character with, but it's still unbelievably funny to me to witness the evolution there

#supernatural #wincest #i was never that into it for the simple fact that their relationship was already so toxic and codependent #that i didn't think adding sex would make it meaningfully worse lmao

[boywifesammy]

it’s so funny that the pilot episode sets up dean as this Wild, balls to the walls horndog of a guy who’s pestering his neat and straight Stanford law younger bro. then you watch the rest of the show and you realize, oh, it’s the other way. because dean is a fucking DORK. he’s a bleeding heart romantic who likes kids and classic rock and driving with the windows down. sam, on the other hand, is a batshit fucking crazy blood-drunk lunatic who is ready to lay down his humanity, become monstrous and kill innocent people to keep his brother alive. it’s hilarious. they really had us convinced for a second there that sam is very Normal and Well-Adjusted only to rugby tackle us from the back with 15 seasons of fuckery.

#oc #supernatural #spn #sam winchester #dean winchester #wincest #samdean #they’re just so silly #i love domestic dean #that boy is such a sweetheart i will never let it go

[bloodfreak-boyking]

how to look at your brother in a platonic and god-honoring way

#'they're just brothers' whats all this #WHATS ALL THIS THEN #if you asked ANYONE who didn't know ab spn #who dean was looking at #approximately 0% would say his brother #and the vast majority would probably say a love interest #what is it like for non wincesties to not see how in love they are when they watch the show? #what kind of peace do they have that i will never know? #how sad must the watching experience be for them without seeing the 15 year love story of sam and dean? #emma rewatches spn #1x13 route 666 #spn #wincest #samdean

[collegeboysam]

they didn't explore sam using his powers to save dean enough, so desperate to get to his brother that he just does it, not even completely sure how. we should have had a monster of the week episode where a group tries to hurt them and sam gets so frantic about dean maybe dying that he makes everyone's heads explode

#*rattling my cage* YOU MADE HIM MOVE A LIBRARY ONCE TO GET TO DEAN AND NEVER AGAIN. FEED ME!!! #sam's powers as an extension and reflection of his feelings my beloved <3 #it should rain when sam cries and people should die when he is angry #samdean #wincest

[loversofthegrave]

the fact baby sammy had to grow up with this dean winchester being his entire central vision for all of his very crucial fundamental teenage years and who looked after him, made him breakfast, took him to school, probably re-enacted sammy's school drama plays with him. my god

#what business does a man have being this PRETTY #sam never had a chance of being normal #sam/dean #spn #supernatural #wincest #weecest #teenchesters

[vanitasmagoria]

metamorphosis. yes there's a man transforming into a literal monster and yes it's about sam's descent into demon blood freak monsterhood but to me, above all, it's the episode in which dean's controlling codependency takes a monstrous turn.

he's petty and he's jealous and he's violent and he hits sam for lying and he hits sam again for talking back and he's trashing the motel room and he's the image of an abuser. dean is threatening to leave sam and to hunt sam and they both know he's not going to do either (i can't escape you, you can't escape me). there's dark fury and despair and panic in dean's eyes because sam (in tears, bleeding, taking it) is becoming more than he can control.

sam says "this blood, it's not in you the way it's in me" and dean can't fucking stand it. he immediately tries to write himself into this, sam's not doing this alone. that's his brother, his blood, how dare he go there. their blood not being the same is the gravest, most personal insult to dean.

sam says "i'm not doing it for you" and "this is my choice" and dean cannot STAND IT. sam still craves autonomy and dean STILL. CAN'T. STAND. IT.

#some of the best j2 acting in both of these scenes #as well as jared as sammy in the closet godDAMN #this episode with all it's monster thematics and sam was in the fucking closet #that deserves its own post methinks #anyway i'm fucking obsessed with this episode now #who knew i'd be so into s4 this time around #not me #4.4 metamorphosis #vanitas spn rewatch #spn meta #samdean #wincest #gencest #i guess #never know how to tag these freaks

[zer0expektation]

how do some of you motherfuckers watch supernatural and end up hating one of the brothers??? how do you hate Dean Winchester for having a world dooming loyalty to his family? how do you hate Sam Winchester for having that justified rage that wants so desperately to come out? how are you not both of them at once, choking in understanding every time they hurt one another because they think they have to?

#i literally do not understand #how do you watch this show and go #“oh deans my favorite but i Hate sam” #or #“omg i love sam stupid dean i hate dean” #the whole point of the thing is them #like??? #supernatural #spn #sam winchester #dean winchester #the winchesters #sam girl #dean girl #literally never talk on my sons ever again #NOT wincest #please yall #wincest dni

[thegoodthebadandtheart]

shoreline

#supernatural #sam winchester #dean winchester #wincest #a #feeling so rusty it's honestly crazy. you wouldn't think just 3 weeks w/o being able to draw would do that but they do. #weekend shifts are evil :( #but hey. NEVER BACK DOWN NEVER WHAT

[lambmotifz]

something something violence can feel like love…something something if you need to be mean, be mean to me. i can take it and put it inside of me

#i’ll never recover from this scene #wincest #samdean #sam winchester #dean winchester #spn

[weaksspot]

dean are you even listening to me. dean

#technically a wip but im never gonna finish it lets be real. so here #samdean #wincest #my art

[smaeemo]

I feel like because I have been exclusively into like spn fics recently I had started to forget the actual show. And thats so embarassing because most of the time I don’t finish fics that are ooc, because yk personal preference and stuff. But I recently just was like “eh” and started reading them. And I was recently rewatching an episode with my friend and was like WTF WHY ARE THE FICS LIKE THAT?! And so now I’m on a T-break fr fr.

:(

#supernatural #spn #ao3 #famfic #fanfic #NOT FAMFIC #never wincest #tbh #destiel #dean and cas #dean winchester #sam winchester #castiel #deancas

[samofmine]

how many times do you think sam used "please? for me?" on dean? especially growing up, batting his eyelashes and giving him the Puppy Eyes™️ and acting like he could fit in dean's pocket?

can't we stay here for another month? will you please ask dad? please? for me?

can you cancel your date and stay in tonight? please? for me?

and dean didn't even stop to think about it before he did what sammy asked because there's nothing sam could ever ask of him he wouldn't do or give or kill but at the same time he would get so annoyed because sam knew exactly the power he had over him. but eventually he came to terms with it and got used to the idea of having sammy as both a brother and a religion and just accepted his fate.

"please? for me?"

"amen."

#sam and dean #weirdchesters #they are sooooo #wincest #sammy is a needy baby bro #“can you teach me how to kiss? i dont want to be the only one in class who never kissed before” #“sammy thats not such a good idea” #*puppy-eyes* “please? for me?” #*dean's mind* what am i gonna do? say no? #forgot to add the #weecest #tag

[bloodfreak-boyking]

okay okay okay so we all know sam and dean are allergic to personal space and practically live in each others' skin, but this scene really makes it glaringly obvious.

like every time dean tries to get closer to sam, trying to close the gap to their non-existent usual, sam takes a step back. as if we need more evidence that they're Not Normal™ about each other

#like the absence of personal space definitely tells a story #but the PRESENCE of it speaks SOOO LOUD #like in this timeline where they're “normal” #sam is weirded out by how close dean is trying to be with him - both emotionally and physically #they! are! not! normal! #emma rewatches spn #2x20 what is and what should never be #spn #wincest #samdean

[tsukiyo-7]

I need to get my head out of the fucking gutter

#as in i'm in a weird kind of art block #never getting out of the gutter for those two brothers from supernatural lmao #wincest #sketch #dean winchester #sam winchester #spn #supernatural #🐭

[shadystranger]

throughout dean's death scene he tries to hide his pain from the rebar stabbing right through him. he keeps smiling and tries to joke as much as he can to lessen sam's sadness because sam keeps looking at him all panicked and crying

like dean plays his own death off to be as sweetly as possible to sam he tries to assure him, coddle him as if when they were kids and he'd try to make sam laugh to take his mind off everything terrible in their life

#samdean #wincest #spn #sam winchester #dean winchester #supernatural #if someone looks for me tell them im still here #...shitting bricks crying rivers #going insane bc i remember that time they were fighting and dean proceeded to make every joke in the book #the butt of the joke was even himself too and it was all just because he wanted to make sam laugh #this happened in like s6-s8 and i never recovered. it was after the amy thing when they were sitting in the fortunetelling cafe #mine